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[1. Call Meeting to Order]
VERY GOOD.WELL, IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY.
[2. Discussion regarding items on the agenda for the May 18, 2021 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, including: April 20, 2021 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting minutes Special Use Permit request at 5100 Belt Line Road, Suite 544 (District) Present and discuss key outcomes of a review of the 2004 Planning and Zoning Commission Rules, Regulations, and Procedures]
LET'S START OUT WITH THE SIMPLE STAFF AND THAT IS, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS THAT SHE'S SEEN NEEDS TO BE MADE TO THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING? NOPE.[1. Status update on recent Planning and Zoning Commission cases and planning policy items.]
YOU WANT TO GIVE US A QUICK RUN DOWN ON THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, WHERE THEY, THEY GOT IT? ABSOLUTELY.UH, CHAIR RESNICK AND GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS, KEN SCHMIDT, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, SO, UH, MAY IS A UNIQUE MONTH FOR CITY COUNCIL DUE TO THE ELECTIONS AND OUR CHARTER, UH, COUNCIL DOES NOT, UH, DO, UH, REGULAR, UH, ITEMS, UH, FOR THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY.
SO THE TWO ITEMS THAT YOU HAD IN YOUR APRIL MEETING, UH, THE GREEN HILL SCHOOL, UH, TEMPORARY BUILDINGS, AS WELL AS JENI'S SPLENDID ICE CREAM.
UH, THOSE WILL GO TO COUNCIL ON MAY 25TH FOR CONSIDERATION, AND ALSO HAVE A COUPLE UPDATES TO SHARE ON SOME OF OUR SPECIAL PROJECTS.
UH, FIRST THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE PROJECT, UH, YOU, UH, LIKELY RECEIVED A MEETING INVITE FOR A MEETING IN THE EVENING OF JUNE 17TH.
UH, THAT WILL BE A JOINT MEETING OF THE COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.
SO THAT WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REINITIATE, UH, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE PROJECT.
UH, WE ARE IN OUR SECOND MODULE OF REVIEW.
SO WITH THAT MEETING ON THE 17TH, UH, YOU'LL BE, UH, REVIEWING THE FIRST OF THREE PARTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS MODULE.
UH, GIVEN THAT THERE'S ALSO BEEN QUITE A BIT OF TIME THAT HAS ELAPSED SINCE THE, UH, PROJECT WAS LAST ACTIVE, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL WILL ALSO GIVE A GOOD OVERVIEW OF WORK THAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST FOR THOSE THAT DID PARTICIPATE IN THAT AS WELL AS THOSE THAT ARE, THAT ARE NEW TO THE PROJECT.
UM, THERE IS A, AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT IS, UH, ASSIGNED TO GUIDE THAT PROJECT.
SO STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT TEAM WILL BE MEETING WITH THEM, UM, EARLIER IN THAT WEEK, UH, ON THE 16TH, UH, UH, GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON THAT, UH, SECTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS MODULE AS WELL.
AND THEN WE'LL ALSO DO A COMMUNITY MEETING, UH, WHILE THE CONSULTANT IS ON TOWN, UH, TO HAVE MORE OR LESS AN OPEN HOUSE TO DISCUSS THAT, UH, THAT MODULE, UH, THAT FRACTION OF THE MODULES AS WELL AS, UH, GET FOLKS CAUGHT UP AND RE-INTRODUCED TO THE PROJECT.
SO, UH, WE'LL HAVE A LOT GOING ON FOR THE EDC IN JUNE.
UH, I WILL ALSO PROVIDE, UH, THE GROUP, UH, WITH A, UH, ANTICIPATED MEDIUM SCHEDULE, UH, FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SUMMER AND GOING INTO THE FALL.
WE DO HAVE A, A COMPLETION PLAN OUTLINED FOR COMPLETING THAT PROJECT WITH ADOPTION REVIEW AND ADOPTION TO OCCUR WITH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL AND IN THE SPRING OF 2022.
SO A LOT ON THAT PROJECT ALSO, I WAS GOING TO SAY, AS I REMEMBER, THERE'S A LOT TO LOOK AT.
SO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET A COPY OF ALL OF THAT? A DOG WAS MEETING THE DAY BEFORE WE DID THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU FOUR DAYS TO REVIEW THAT BECAUSE, UH, AS YOU, YOU NOTED IT IS, UH, UH, UH, DENSE, UH, PACKET OF INFORMATION TO REVIEW.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, THIS MODULE BECAUSE OF ITS SIZE AND BECAUSE OF ITS COMPLEXITY, WE'VE BROKEN IT UP INTO THREE PARTS, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GIVE, UH, UH, STAKEHOLDERS IN THEIR REVIEW PROCESS, ALL THREE PARTS, UM, LATER THIS WEEK.
SO YOU'LL HAVE ROUGHLY ABOUT A MONTH TO REVIEW THIS FIRST PART.
AND THEN I'M GOING INTO THE SECOND AND THIRD MEETINGS, WHICH WILL GENERALLY BE SPACED OUT, UH, A MONTH APART.
YOU'LL HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET FAMILIARIZED AND TAKE A REAL DEEP DIVE INTO THAT CONTENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE UVC PROCESS? ALL RIGHT.
THE OTHER ANNOUNCEMENT I WOULD SHARE RELATES, OH, I'M SORRY.
DENISE, ARE YOU THE, THE CELL PHONE? THE, DO YOU CALL IN AS WELL? I SEE A NUMBER THAT CALLED AND IT LOOKS LIKE, LET ME SEE YOU YOU'RE ON MUTE HAMID
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OR SOMEONE FROM IT.UH, AS THE HOST OF THE MEETING, COULD YOU WORK TO UNMUTE MS. FANSLER? I'M SO SORRY.
THIS IS HMI SYSTEM IS DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT WE CANNOT UNMUTE.
WE COULD MUTE WHAT WE CANNOT UNMUTE.
THEY HAVE TO DO IT THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF THE SECURITY, PRIVACY AND SO ON, BECAUSE THEY, THEY WANT TO AVOID, YOU KNOW, YOU HEARING SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO SAY SHE NEEDED TO DO IT HERSELF.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT.
OH, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME SEND THE REQUEST TO YOU AND YOU LET ME DO IT.
SO DENISE ARE NOW GETTING A PROMPT STATING THAT YOUR, YOUR COMPUTER IN IS CONNECTING TO AUDIO.
SO IT COME LIVE HERE IN A MOMENT.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE SIGN LANGUAGE? IT SAYS YOU'RE CONNECTED.
NOW TRY ON MEETING, OH, THIS MIGHT, YOU MAY BE ON THE WRONG MICROPHONE ON YOUR COMPUTER.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU DIALING.
SHE HAS, AND THAT, THAT DIDN'T WORK EITHER.
I MEAN, UM, I, FOR SOME REASON IT'S NOT PICKING UP HER COMPUTER MICROPHONE AS SHE'S MUTE RIGHT NOW.
UM, TRINITY IS GOING TO BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO REMOTELY ENABLE OR DISABLE, UM, FUNCTION IN SO THAT SHE COULD CHAT.
WHAT A QUESTION IS, THE CHAT FUNCTION IS ALREADY THERE AND ON THE BOTTOM BANNER SHOWING UP ONLINE, I DON'T HAVE IT EITHER.
DENISE, WHEN YOU CALL THAT 800 NUMBER, HAVE YOU CALLED THAT 800 NUMBER? SHE CAN'T TALK TO YOU.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M TRYING TO, BECAUSE, UM, IF YOU USE THAT 800 NUMBER IS TOTALLY INDEPENDENT FROM YOUR, THE LAPTOP THE NIECE HAD WHEN YOU GO TO THE MUTE BUTTON AND THERE'S THAT ARROW.
IF YOU CLICK ON THAT ARROW AND IT SAYS SELECT ON MICROPHONE, HAVE YOU TRIED THAT IT DOESN'T WORK ON EITHER OPTION THAT A GOT A CELL I CAN CALL.
ALL RIGHT, DENISE, I JUST SENT MY EMAIL TO YOUR TOWN.
HI, DENISE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEP.
I CALL THE 800 NUMBER, THE BOX ON THE COMPUTER.
WON'T LET ME REMOVE, I MEAN, MEANWHILE, I HAVE ALL THIS PROBLEMS WITH THE MIC ON MY LAPTOP, WHICH IS WHY I WANT TO CALL IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU ALL CAN HEAR ME ON THE MIC.
I'VE BEEN TALKING TO YOU OR ME THROUGH THE VIDEO FOR AWHILE AND YOU GOTTA BE ACKNOWLEDGED ME.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING NOT WORKING.
SO CAN WE TRY TO GET THAT NEXT BY TOMORROW NIGHT?
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CAUSE I'M PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO CALL OUT.SO WEATHER PERMITTING, WE'LL MOVE ON ONE MORE QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT THE SAM'S CLUBS.
UM, SO, UM, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN, WE'VE BEEN PUTTING OUT ANNOUNCEMENTS IN THE TOWN NEWSLETTER, UM, AS WELL AS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, THE TOWN HAS LAUNCHED A SURVEY AS THE FIRST STEP AND THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS FOR THE SAM'S CLUB STUDY.
IF YOU, UH, HAVE NOT TAKEN IT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE IT.
IF YOU HAVE, UH, FOLKS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THAT PART OF ADDISON WOULD WELCOME YOU, UH, ENCOURAGING THEM TO TAKE THAT AS WELL.
THERE ARE LINKS ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE AND I CAN SEND OUT LINKS TO YOU AFTER THIS MEETING AS WELL.
THE OTHER ANNOUNCEMENT I WOULD SHARE, UH, RELATED TO THAT PROJECT, UM, THE REALLY THE SECOND PHASE OF THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS, WE'LL START WITH A COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSE THAT HAS THE TOWN WE'LL BE HOSTING, UM, THURSDAY, JUNE 10TH, FROM SIX TO 8:00 PM.
THAT WILL BE AT THE ADDISON AND ATHLETIC CLUB.
UH, THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, RESIDENTS, UH, BUSINESS OWNERS AND ANYONE INTERESTED IN PROVIDING FEEDBACK ON THE FRONT END OF THAT PROJECT TO REALLY HELP SHAPE AND INFORM, UH, THE VISIONING PROCESS AND THE WORK THAT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND CONSULTANT TEAM DOES AS THEY BEGIN TO DEVELOP A REFINED VISION FOR THAT AREA.
SO VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE AS MUCH PARTICIPATION ON THE FRONT END OF THAT PROJECT THAT DOESN'T REALLY INFORM THE VISIONING PROCESS AS IT, AS IT ADVANCES ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SAM'S CLUB PROJECT.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS.
SO, UM, FOR STP 1828, UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE REGARDING THAT IT'S FOUR DISTRICTS.
IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING NAME, BUT DO Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR KEN REGARDING THAT? NOPE.
REGARDING PARKING PARKING IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE OVER THERE.
AND IN THE PAST WE HAVE HAD TO MAKE SMOOTH, SPECIAL EXCEPTION PARKING PEERS.
THAT PARKING IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR THIS ONE.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE HAVE BEEN PLACES THAT HAVE CLOSED SO THAT NOW PARKING IS NO LONGER AN ISSUE? SO BASED ON THE LAST ACTION THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL, UH, TOOK, UM, THOSE YOUNG PARKWAY, SO THAT GOES BACK TO THE 2020, UH, THE PERMISSION AND COUNCIL APPROVED THAT, UH, INFILL NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, UH, SOME MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS AND PERMIT LANDSCAPE.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A MODIFIED PARKING RATIO THAT WAS ADOPTED, UH, ESSENTIALLY, UH, ACCOUNTING FOR, UH, ONE SPACE FOR, UH, 225 SQUARE FEET OF, UH, UH, FLOOR AREA, UM, THAT WAS REFERRED TO AS A MIXED USE PARKING RATIO, UH, THAT APPLIED TO ALL THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED TENANT SPACE, UH, ON THE SITE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE MOVIE THEATER, WHICH WAS PARKED AT, UH, ONE SPACE PER I BELIEVE THREE SEATS IN THE MOVIE THEATER.
UM, SO BASED ON THAT AND GIVEN THAT A DISTRICT IS NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL FLOOR AREA, THEY ARE OCCUPYING EXISTING FLOOR AREA, WHICH WAS ACCOUNTED FOR, UH, IN THE MOST RECENT, UM, MODIFICATIONS TO THE PARKING RATIOS.
UH, NO ADDITIONAL, UH, PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED IF THEY WERE, UM, ADDING ADDITIONAL FLOOR AREA.
THAT MAY BE A CONSIDERATION IF THERE WAS NOT AN EXCESS SUPPLY OF PARKING ALREADY, UH, IN THE, UH, CENTER UNDERSTAND THOUGH THAT I KNOW PARKING IS A CONTESTED ISSUE AND IT'S, IT'S, UH, OFTENTIMES AN ISSUE OF WHERE THE DESIRABLE PARKING SPACES ARE AND VILLAGE ON THE PARKWAY.
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OTHER QUESTIONS? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? OKAY.SO THE REGULAR PHONE NUMBER WORKS, IT'S THE 801.
UM, JUST A SIDEBAR QUESTION THAT I WAS MORE CURIOUS ABOUT WAS THEY REDESIGNED A BUNCH OF THAT PARKING AND TOOK OUT SOME OF THE TURNABOUTS THERE.
DID THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL HAD TO APPROVE OR WERE THEY FREE TO DO THAT? IT CAME THROUGH LAST YEAR.
WE WERE THERE LAST WEEKEND AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE ADDITIONAL SPOTS WHEN THEY TOOK AWAY THOSE ROUNDABOUTS, BUT THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME, WE WERE ABLE TO FIND SOME PARKING.
I, I DO THINK WE ALSO NEED TO SUGGEST AND, AND, AND I'LL DO IT TOMORROW, BUT I STILL THINK THEY NEED SIGNAGE THAT DIRECTS PEOPLE TO THE PARKING GARAGE, BECAUSE I STILL THINK PEOPLE SHOW UP THERE AND DON'T REALIZE THERE'S A GARAGE.
YOU GO TO THAT PARKING GARAGE, THERE'S PLENTY OF SPOTS AND THERE'S STILL PEOPLE DRIVING AROUND.
SO I STILL THINK THEY'D BE SMART TO DO THAT NOW.
THAT'S, AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD ASKED THEM TO DO.
SO I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF THE STAFF NEEDING TO FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SURE THAT IT IS DONE.
UH, JUST AS A SIDEBAR NOTE, IT'S UNDER CONTRACT AND IS EXPECTED TO CLOSE BY THE END OF NEXT MONTH.
SO AS, UH, ASSUMING THAT CLOSES, UM, AS A STAFF BEGINS TO HAVE A DIALOGUE, UH, WITH NEW OWNERSHIP, THAT IS THAT A SECOND BY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
AND IT IT'S, IT'S COMMON TO, UH, MOST, UH, POPULAR RETAIL OR MIXED USE DOWNTOWN AREAS.
IT'S NOT AN ISSUE, TYPICALLY AN ISSUE OF PARKING SUPPLY.
IT'S AN ISSUE OF FOLKS KNOWING WHERE THE PARKING SUPPLY IS AND HAVING SAFE AND CONVENIENT, UH, ACCESS TO, AND FROM THAT PARKING SUPPLY.
IF I WERE BUYING THAT PROPERTY, I WOULD MAKE SURE THAT WAS DONE BEFORE I PURCHASED IT.
SO THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND PROCEDURES FOR PLANNING AND ZONING.
AND, AND THIS IS THE PRIMARY REASON THAT I REQUESTED THIS MEETING BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY PARTS AND PIECES TO THIS THAT I FELT LIKE IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER TO ADDRESS THEM IN A WORK SESSION THAN IN OUR REGULAR SESSION.
PMC CAN, I'M GOING TO LET CHEAT, UM, TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS AND THREE, THE THINGS THAT YOU FELT LIKE NEEDED TO BE CHANGED THEN FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND ISSUES, WE'LL BRING THOSE UP THIS WEEK.
SO, UH, WITH THE MOST RECENT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ANNUAL REPORT, UH, MR. RESNICK, AS WELL AS THE FORMER CHAIR, UH, MS. WHEELER, UH, UH, POINTED OUT THE NEED TO LOOK AT, UH, THE PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION RULES, REGULATIONS, AND PROCEDURES.
UH, IT WAS NOTED THAT, UH, THE CURRENT, UH, DOCUMENT, UH, WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2004 AND, AND THERE'S, THERE'S NOT BEEN, UM, A REGULAR REVIEW PROCESS, UM, TO, TO REFINE AND UPDATE, UH, AS, UH, CONDITIONS CHANGE AND, AND AS THE, THE PRACTICES OF THE COMMISSION, UH, EVOLVE.
SO, UH, I THINK WITH ME COMING IN, AND IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO START TO LOOK AT THOSE.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, A FRESH SET OF EYES, BOTH WITH STAFF AND ON THE COMMISSION.
SO, UH, WANTED TO, UH, KICK OFF THIS PROCESS BY FIRST, GIVING YOU ALL THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A, UH, UH, A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENT.
I KNOW NOT EVERYONE HAD SEEN THE DOCUMENT BEFORE, WHICH IS CERTAINLY A CHALLENGE, BUT ALSO TO, TO, UM, LOOK AT ITEMS AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK.
UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS DISCUSSION IS REALLY TO BE, UH, MORE OPEN-ENDED THE FEEDBACK I PROVIDED AND ALSO RECEIVED FROM SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS IS, IS, UH, IS A GOOD STARTING POINT, BUT, UH, WELCOME ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS CAUSE, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES CAN ADD EVEN MORE AND, AND IMPROVE THIS EVEN MORE, UH, FROM WHERE WE CURRENTLY SIT.
SO THE WAY I DID MY REVIEW IS REALLY, I BROKE IT DOWN INTO SECTIONS WITH THE REALLY THE FIRST PIECE, WHICH WAS THE, UH,
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UH, INTRODUCTION TO THE DOCUMENT, THE COVER PAGE, THE TABLE OF CONTENTS AND THE OVERALL FORMATTING OF THE DOCUMENT.UM, I THINK WE CAN THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO DO A BIT MORE OF A, AN ELEGANT COVER AND, AND TO REFINE THE FORMATTING AND, AND WE'LL WORK WITH OUR MARKETING STAFF TO MAKE IT A MORE ATTRACTIVE DOCUMENTS.
ALSO THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITHIN THE TABLE OF CONTENTS, UH, PAGE IN GENERAL.
UM, A QUESTION I HAVE IS, IS, DO WE EVEN NEED A TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR A DOCUMENT THIS SHORT, UH, SECONDLY, DISCUSS THAT.
AND, AND IF WE DO RETAIN THAT TABLE OF CONTENTS, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE UPDATED BECAUSE IT'S NOT ACCURATE.
SOME OF THE PAGE NUMBERING IS WRONG AND WE CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS THAT, UM, BY DOING AWAY WITH THE TABLE OF CONTENTS.
IS THAT THE PREFERENCE? YEAH, NO, GO THAT WAY.
I THINK, I THINK I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE A TABLE OF CONTENTS, NO MATTER HOW SHORT IT IS, IT'S JUST EASIER TO FIND THINGS.
IT'S EASIER TO SCROLL THE THINGS AS TO GOING PAGE BY PAGE AND TRY TO FIND THE WORD CONNECTION TO TABLES, TO POINT TO THE RIGHT PLACE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT NUMBERING, ALL THAT.
WELL, TWO THINGS, ONE, WE DOCUMENT THE PAGE NUMBERS.
IT DOESN'T HAVE PAGE NUMBERS TO BEGIN WITH.
SECOND OF ALL, IF THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ELECTRONIC DOCUMENT, YOU CAN LINK THAT IN.
AND THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN WHAT JOHN WAS SAYING.
I CAN UNDERSTAND QUITE CLEARLY, BUT YOU COULD LINK TO WHERE YOU GO HIT THAT TOPIC AND IT'LL TAKE YOU TO THAT PAGE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY.
IT'S REALLY EASY TO DO WITHIN WORD.
I'M SURE YOU'RE WORKING WITH PEOPLE WHO CAN DO IT PRETTY EASILY FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
AND IT DOES IT AUTOMATICALLY, YOU CAN MAKE A CHANGE.
IT DOES ALL THE CHANGE FOR YOU.
UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CONSENSUS MAY BE TO KEEP THE TABLE OF CONTENTS.
IS THAT A, IS THAT A FAIR ASSUMPTION? YES.
AND THEN JUST OVERALL, UM, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS BEFORE, IN TERMS OF WHO OWNS THIS DOCUMENT, HOW IS IT UPDATED? UM, IT IS A COMMISSION DOCUMENT.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT GETS ACTED ON BY CITY COUNCIL OR IS APPROVED BY STAFF.
UH, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS, UH, DEVELOPED, ACTED ON AND APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION AND IMPLEMENTED BY THE COMMISSION.
UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CAVEATS.
UM, SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IN HERE IS, IS TAKEN DIRECTLY OR, OR NEARLY DIRECTLY FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, IF WE MADE SOME MAJOR CHANGES TO THIS DOCUMENT, UH, RELATED TO, UH, THOSE, UH, SECTIONS, IT MAY BE SOMETHING WHERE WE NEED TO ALSO WORK THROUGH POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO MAINTAIN COMPATIBILITY.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE ABSOLUTELY CAN DO IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED.
AND THEN ALSO THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE IN HERE AS, AS IT RELATES TO HOW THE COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED, HOW MANY TERMS THEY HAVE, UM, HOW THE TERMS CAN BE STACKED.
UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY, IF THERE WERE TO BE CHANGES, IT MAY BE THAT WOULD, SHOULD BE REVIEWED WITH CITY COUNCIL AS WELL, GIVEN THAT THEY ARE MAKING THE APPOINTMENTS.
BUT IF THE COMMISSION HAS A GOOD CONSENSUS ON, ON CHANGES ON THAT, UH, WE'D BE HAPPY TO BRING THOSE FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.
SO, KEN, AS I MENTIONED, MY QUESTION ABOUT HERBS WAS THAT IT SAID THAT YOU CANNOT SERVE, UH, YOU CAN SERVE THREE TERMS. HOWEVER, IF IS THAT A LOOPHOLE? AND I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.
SO IF SOMEBODY WAS APPOINTED AND THEY WERE APPOINTED AND THEY SERVED TWO TERMS, THEN THEY STEPPED OFF FOR WHATEVER REASON, COULD THEY THEN BE APPOINTED AGAIN BY SOMEBODY ELSE AND SERVE ONE TERM OF TWO YEARS OR THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS.
CAUSE IF IT'S THE LATTER, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY NEEDS TO HAVE 10 YEARS WORTH OF SERVICE, NO MATTER HOW YOU SPLIT IT UP ON ANY FOR THAT MATTER.
SO ISN'T THAT KIND OF WHAT CATHERINE, CATHERINE WHEELER, SHE, SHE SERVED QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS AND YOU KNOW, IT WAS OFF OF ONE YEAR AND THEN SERVE ANOTHER THREE, THREE TERMS.
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UH, PERSONALLY, I JUST DON'T, I TH I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WAS PUT IN THE WAY IT'S PUT IN, BUT CAUSE THERE'S GOT TO, THERE PROBABLY IS A REASON FOR THAT LANGUAGE, SOMETHING HAPPENED, BUT HE DID SOMETHING AND THEY, AND THEY CREATED THIS.AND IS THAT, SO IS IT GOING TO BE, YOU CAN SERVE THREE TERMS AREAS SIX YEARS OR THE WAY THIS SAYS YOU CAN SERVE 10 YEARS AGAIN, I THINK THE MAYOR'S ELECTION, YOU KNOW HOW THE MAYORS ELECTED, YOU KNOW, HE'S, HE'S ELECTED TWO YEARS FOR THREE TIMES.
IF HE'S OFFERED A YEAR OR ONE TERM TWO YEARS, HE CAN COME BACK TO SERVE ANOTHER THREE TERMS. SO IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY THAT THE ELECTIONS ARE FOR THE TOWN.
ASSUMING THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TOO.
SO THAT'S ALREADY GONE THROUGH A CHANGE.
I MEAN, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT ON THE TABLE.
I, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING FOR A BIGGER, OBVIOUSLY A BIGGER DISCUSSION, BUT SO IN YOUR STATE BACK FOR THE COMMISSIONER APPOINTMENT PROCESS IS WHAT YOU HAVE LISTED THERE, WHAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND THE CHANGE TO.
I THINK YOU COULD LEAVE THE LANGUAGE THE SAME AND IT, IT, IT, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE NOTES I PROVIDED.
BUT IF YOU WANTED TO PROVIDE MORE CONTEXT TO DESCRIBE THE PROCESS, YOU COULD ADD ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO, TO, TO DETAIL THAT MORE.
I ACTUALLY QUIT IF THAT IS THE CASE, BECAUSE WHAT IT SAYS NOW IS IT, EACH IS APPOINTED BY A MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT HAPPENS.
IT IS AN APPOINTMENT BY INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH APPROVAL BY THE COUNCIL.
AND THAT'S THE WAY IT USED TO BE WORD.
THAT IS HOW I UNDERSTAND IT AS WELL.
I THINK WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE GETTING INTO SEMANTICS A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF APPOINTMENT OR NOMINATION.
SO I, AND I'M GOING TO BE REALLY STRONG ON THIS ONE BECAUSE BASED UPON PAST HISTORY IN THIS TOWN, THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME WHEN THERE WAS A POOL OF CANDIDATES THAT WAS REQUIRED AND THEN YOU REACH FROM THE POOL OF CANDIDATES IN THE SERVER.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE SPECIFIC ABOUT HOW IT ACTUALLY OPERATES SOME WORD AT THAT WAY.
SO, SO TO CLARIFY, YOU WANT LANGUAGE THAT STATES THAT APPOINTMENTS ARE MADE BY INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEN THOSE APPOINTMENTS ARE VOTED ON BY THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL.
AND, AND THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTAND IT AS WELL.
I JUST THINK I'M USING A DIFFERENT TERM.
IT, BUT BASICALLY MY POINT IS, IS THAT ANY ACTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO BE DONE BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, OF COURSE, BUT THAT'S, WELL, HOW MUCH HAS THIS HISTORY? THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT'S ALWAYS OPERATED.
DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH OF THIS IS, THIS IS ADDRESSED IN THE CHARTER BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THIS IS ADDRESSED IN THE CHARTER AS WELL.
I KNOW THE, THE, THE CHARTER WAS, WAS CERTAINLY RECENTLY UPDATED.
UM, BUT, UH, I CAN, I CAN CONFIRM THE LANGUAGE IN THE CHARTER AS WELL AND ADDRESS THAT TOMORROW ON THE, IN THE REGULAR MEETING, RIGHT? IF THE CHARTER SAYS WITHIN HERE, THEN COUNCILS THE DOING IS WRONG FOR A LONG TIME AND CHARTER NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, WHICH IS A LITTLE LATE THAT POINT IN TIME, OR COUNCIL NEEDS TO GO BACK AND ADHERE TO THE PROVISIONS OF THE CHARTER.
AND SO SINCE WE'RE BRINGING UP CONFUSING THING, LET ME BRING UP ONE MORE CONFUSED.
THERE'S GOTTA BE A HISTORY AS ABOUT THE USE OF TOWN AND SIN.
AND I KNOW YOU CALLED IT OUT, KIM, IT IS THE MOST CONFUSING THING I KNOW OF.
AND SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BE? ARE WE THE TOWN COUNCIL, OR ARE WE THE CITY
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COUNCIL? ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE THE TOWN OF ADDISON OR THE CITY OF ADDISON? AND HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE, AND I DON'T REALLY CARE WHATEVER IT IS.I DON'T HAVE ANY SKIN IN THE GAME EITHER WAY, BUT IT'S JUST CONFUSING.
AND IT'S INCONSISTENT EVEN IN THIS DOCUMENT, YOU KNOW, IT'S REFERRED TO CITY AND TOWN INTERCHANGEABLE AND I GET IT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S CONFUSING AT THE LEAST.
UM, SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IN THIS DOCUMENT, UM, UNLESS IT'S REFERRING TO A SPECIFIC, LIKE SAY THE CITY COUNCIL OR CITY MANAGER, WHICH DOES USE THE TERM CITY VERSUS TOWN, ALL OTHER EMPLOYMENT OF THE TOWN VERSUS CITY ISSUE GENERALLY FALLS UNDER THE TOWN.
ALL THE TOWNS BRANDING IS OUT.
SO MY SUGGESTION FOR THIS DOCUMENT, UNLESS IT'S A SPECIFIC POSITION USE TOWN VERSUS CITY, AND THAT WOULD MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE AS WELL.
SO, BOB, IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY LAST PAGE, UM, WHERE THIS IS A TESTED TO IT'S THE CITY SECRETARY FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON, I REST MY CASE AND THAT, AND THAT IS HOW THAT POSITION IS DEFINED.
SO WE HAVE A CITY SECRETARY AND THE CITY MANAGER FOR THE TOWN.
JUST GOING THROUGH THESE, UM, ON BULLET POINT 200 FEEDBACK ON ARTICLES, ONE AND TWO, YOU SAID THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF SECTION B IS PARTIALLY IN CONFLICT WITH LANGUAGE AND WEIGHTED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
CAN YOU, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS.
SO IT'S, IT RELATES TO THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS, UM, FOR THE, UH, SECRETARY OF THE COMMISSION, UH, I BELIEVE IN THIS ARTICLE AND IT IDENTIFIES THE CITY MANAGER IS MAKING THAT APPOINTMENT.
AND FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE STANDPOINT, THAT IS, THAT IS WHAT I WOULD PERCEIVE AS THE CORRECT, UM, ACTION, BECAUSE THE SECRETARY IS REALLY INTENDED TO BE ME.
UH, WHEREAS THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR IS THE LEADERSHIP ON THE COMMISSION.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S THE ROLES THAT YOU SERVE IN AS THE IT STAFF SUPPORTING THE COMMISSION SO THAT HOW WE HAVE IT WORDED HERE IS ACTUALLY HOW I WOULD RECOMMEND WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE, IN THE LOADING ORDINANCE.
UM, AND THAT IT NOTED, UH, THE COMMISSION, UH, APPOINTING A SECRETARY.
SO SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PICK UP EITHER IN A INTERIM AMENDMENT OR WITH THE UDC PROCESS.
I JUST WASN'T SURE WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT.
SO IN THAT FIRST GROUP OF FEEDBACK ON THOSE ARTICLES, ONE AND TWO, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? NOPE.
LET'S MOVE ON THEN TO FEEDBACK ON ARTICLE THREE, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE, UM, ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ON THAT? I JUST HAD THE OVERALL ONE EILEEN, WHICH WAS THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE THINGS IN HERE THAT ARE STRICTLY STAFF AND THINGS THAT ARE HERE THAT ARE, THAT ARE STRICTLY COMMISSIONER.
UM, THERE MAY BE SOME OVERLAP, BUT I MOSTLY SAW IT AS TWO DISTINCT AND I JUST WENT WITHOUT CHANGING THE WORDING.
IF THAT COULD WE HAVE TO KIND OF ADHERE TO IT ON SOME OF THESE, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE STAFF REQUIRED, STAFF RESPONSIBILITIES AND THEN COMMISSION RESPONSIBILITIES, MAKE IT CLEAR.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A DOG AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO ASK THE QUESTION, BUT IN THE PAST, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION, I'VE PROBABLY HAD A COUPLE OF INSTANCES WHERE I HAVE, AND, UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING BEFORE US, UH, DIRECTING SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AT ME ON CERTAIN TOPICS.
AND, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE APPROPRIATE TO THAT SHOULD.
IF, IF A COMMISSION GETS DIRECT COMMISSIONER DISH OF QUESTIONED ABOUT
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A CERTAIN THING FROM AN APPLICANT REFER, HE, OR SHE JUST REFER THAT TO STAFF, OR SHOULD WE BE THE, DO THE POLITE THING AND CONTACT THE INDIVIDUAL? WHAT IS, WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE? AND IT IS A GO IN THIS LOCATION.WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD WHEN I ASKED THAT QUESTION BEFORE, IS THAT YOU ARE WELCOMED TO TALK TO ANY MEMBER OF THE TOWN ABOUT ANY QUESTIONS THAT ARE BROUGHT UP IF HOWEVER YOU WERE UNCOMFORTABLE IN DOING SO, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, A ISSUE OR WHATEVER, THAT YOU CAN REFER THAT TO CITY STAFF AND HAVE THEM ADDRESS THAT DIRECTLY WITH THE RESIDENT.
AND IS THE SCENARIO THAT YOU'RE, I THINK SOMETIMES GETS A LITTLE CHALLENGING AND I THINK YOU MAY BE REFERENCING.
IT IS WHEN A DEVELOPER OR WHEN AN APPLICANT IS REACHING OUT TO YOU.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S SOMEONE WHO HAS AN APPLICATION BEFORE THE TOWN, AND SOMETIMES IT'S IT'S, UM, FOLKS THAT ARE DOING THEIR VERY EARLY DUE DILIGENCE AND SEEKING COMMISSION FEEDBACK, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THOSE SCENARIOS, UM, THE, HOW CITIES TYPICALLY ADDRESS THAT WITH THE COMMISSION IS, IS TO GENERALLY, UH, DIRECT THOSE FOLKS TO STAFF.
UH, YOU DON'T NEED TO, IT'S OKAY TO RESPOND TO THEM AND SAY, HEY, I'D LIKE TO DIRECT YOU TO, TO KEN SCHMIDT, OUR DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO ASSIST YOU WITH THIS QUESTION, UM, OR JUST SIMPLY FORWARD THE QUESTION ON THE STAFF TO ADDRESS IT.
THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR THAT TO SUPPORT.
AND THEN OFTENTIMES IT, IT ALLOWS US TO, TO PROVIDE, UH, A UNIFIED RESPONSE THAT CAN BE SHARED BOTH WITH THE COMMISSION AND THE APPLICANTS.
SO IT'S AS IT'S AS TRANSPARENT AS A PROCESS AS POSSIBLE SOMETIMES EVEN THOUGH TRIED TO DO, UH, BE RESPECTFUL OF SOMEONE ADDRESSING THE QUESTION TOWARDS YOU, IT CAN BE FOR SPEED PERCEIVE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT REAL AS SOME SORT OF, UM, LIKE, SO, BUT BACK TO THE QUESTION, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE SPELL THAT OUT IN THIS DOCUMENT, WHAT YOU JUST SAID KENT OR NOT IT, IF YOU, IF IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMISSION, UH, YOU COULD ABSOLUTELY PROVIDE SOME, SOME DIRECTION ON, ON HOW TO, WELL, WE, WE, WE NOW KNOW HOW TO DO IT, BUT WHOEVER IS COMING IN AFTER US, WHEN THAT SAME SITUATION ARISES, THEN THEY'LL HAVE THE SAME SORT OF QUESTIONS AS WELL.
AND IT WOULD BE NICE IN THE FUTURE IF PEOPLE COMING IN WILL GET THIS DOCUMENT.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO REFER TO AS WELL, TO BE ABLE TO HELP THEM.
I THINK INQUIRIES TO COUNSEL CAN BE HELPFUL AND TO THE DIRECTOR, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT NECESSARILY PUTTING SOMETHING IN AND IT'S UP TO THE COMMITTEE DOCUMENT OBVIOUSLY, BUT I DON'T KNOW, PUTTING SOMETHING IN THE DUTIES PORTION OF THE DOCUMENT, WHAT WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE? DELEGATION OF DUTIES.
UH, THIS IS NANCY AND I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION SIMILAR IN THE SAME, BUT, UM, WE'RE DISCUSSING INQUIRIES FROM APPLICANTS OR DEVELOPERS OR, UM, THAT SORT OF THING.
WHAT ABOUT IF THE COMMISSIONER, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE GUIDELINES FOR A COMMISSIONER SEEKING A PROFESSIONAL GUIDANCE FROM SOME OTHER DISCIPLINE, UM, YOU KNOW, ON SUBJECT MATTERS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE COMING, COMING IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OR IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION, UM, ARE, ARE WE FREE TO SEEK OUT, UM, OTHER OPINIONS AND DISCUSS WITH OTHER RESOURCES OR PROFESSIONALS ON ANY OF THESE MATTERS? OR WHAT ARE THE LIMITATIONS THERE? YEAH.
ARE YOU REFERRING TO SAY LIKE, UH, RESOURCES OUTSIDE OF TOWN STAFF, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD BE PERCEIVED AS A CONFLICT OR INAPPROPRIATE.
UH, AND IF YOU WERE TO DO THAT, AS YOU EVALUATE THE MERITS OF THE CASES THAT GO BEFORE YOU, UH, CERTAINLY WE WOULD ALWAYS WELCOME AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO, UH, MAKE THOSE CONTACTS WITH TOWN STAFF TO SEE IF WE CAN ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
BUT, UH, TH THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE OR BE PERCEIVED AS A CONFLICT OR UNETHICAL IF THAT'S A CONCERN.
UM, IF YOU WERE TO REACH OUT TO, UH, SAY A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL TO GET THERE, WHAT I WOULD CAUTION IS, IS JUST TO BE SHARED, YOU'RE REACHING OUT TO FOLKS
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THAT, THAT AREN'T CONFLICTED IN THE MATTER THAT IS BEFORE YOU.UM, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, UH, THEY CERTAINLY, UH, LOTS OF TALENTED PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THE SURROUNDING REGION THAT, THAT CAN SERVE AS GOOD RESOURCES AS YOU REVIEW THESE CASES.
MY ONLY REAL CONCERN IN THIS WHOLE SECTION WAS, WAS KIND OF THE BASEY E F AND H SO MANY OF THOSE AND, AND TOM REFERENCED EARLIER IS THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY, THAT P AND Z IS SUPPOSED TO FORMULATE THE ZONING EMPLOYMENT.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN, I THINK I STAFF OPTION.
AND THEN IT'S UP TO US WHAT TO DO WITH IT, WHAT WE NEED TO DO, OR, UM, TO FORMULATE THE CITY PLAN.
A GREAT EXAMPLE IS THE PROJECT THAT'S GOING ON.
THERE ARE SO MANY THAT IN THE TOWN, WE INVOLVED THE COMMUNITY AND THEY PROBABLY DO MORE IN DEVELOPING A CITY PLAN, OR, UM, I JUST THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE CLARIFICATION IF THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, I GUESS WE CAN DO IT, BUT I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT'S THE WAY WE HAVE OPERATED, NOR IS IT THE WAY THAT, AND WHAT I WOULD SHARE.
AND STATUTORILY, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE FINDING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS TO BE ENGAGED IN.
UM, OBVIOUSLY ZONING IS THE BIG PIECE OF THAT.
UM, WE DO HAVE A, AN OFFICIAL ZONING MAP.
WE DO HAVE A, A DEVELOPMENT CODE ZONING ORDINANCE.
ULTIMATELY THERE'LL BE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE ENGAGED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND REFINEMENT OF THOSE DOCUMENTS, BUT FROM A, A REVIEW AND APPROVAL STANDPOINT, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL, THEY DO HAVE STATUTORY DUTIES TO ACT ON ZONING.
UH, THEY ALSO HAVE THAT DUTY AS IT RELATES TO THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS, UH, IS A BIT MORE UNIQUE THAN, UM, UH, PERHAPS OTHER COMMUNITIES.
UM, OFTENTIMES COMMUNITIES WILL HAVE VERY DETAILED THOROUGHFARE PLANNING, DOCUMENTS, PARKS, MASTER PLANNING, DOCUMENTS, UM, FUTURE LAND USE MAPS IN THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND, AND AS AN APPROVAL AUTHORITY ON THAT DOCUMENT, THE COMMISSION DOES HAVE A BIG ROLE, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE DRAFTING THE DOCUMENT, OR THERE MAY BE ANOTHER COMMITTEE THAT IS REALLY DOING THE HEAVY LIFTING ON DEVELOPING THE DOCUMENT, BUT YOU DO HAVE A BIG ROLE ON REVIEWING, ADOPTING AND IMPLEMENTING THOSE DOCUMENTS.
SO CERTAINLY I THINK THE THING THAT TRIPPED ME UP CANDIDATE, BROAD LANGUAGE, CAN YOU KIND OF FROZE UP THERE FOR A SECOND, KIM, I CAN HEAR YOU, TOM.
I THINK THE WORD IS TRIPPING ME UP AND MAYBE ALSO EILEEN IS THE FUCKING B AND C ARE SAYS TO FORMULATE AND RECOMMEND.
WHEREAS THE OTHER IS ONE DOWN THERE.
DNF IS JUST SIMPLY THE STUDY AND RECOMMEND, AND I MUCH PREFER, RECOMMEND AS OPPOSED TO FORMULATE BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T FORMULATE.
AND I THINK IF YOU JUST CHANGE DNC TO STUDY AND RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, THAT THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, A LITTLE MORE, LITTLE MORE ACCEPTABLE ON MY PART.
BUT I MEAN, TO ME, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THAT, I ALSO THINK ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND I MEAN, TO ME, THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT PLANNING AND ZONING RESPONSIBILITY, YOU KNOW, GRANTED WE ONLY DO IT.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW CAN WE DO IT, BUT WHEN I, IT, I THINK COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE P AND Z TO WRAP THEIR BRAIN AROUND AND TO HAVE A HEAVY INFLUENCE OVER CHRIS.
WOULDN'T THAT BE PART OF THE STUDY AND RECOMMEND IS, CAUSE I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE FORMULATING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT BEING A PART OF IT TO REVIEW IT AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS.
BUT AGAIN, IT GETS, IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FORMULATING AND STUDYING AND RECOMMENDING.
AND I THINK AT LEAST ON MY PART, CLARIFY THINGS, I THINK THE USE OF THE WORD FORMULATE PRECLUDES THE COMMITTEE
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FROM ACTING ON SOMETHING THAT IS PRIMARILY CARRIED BY STAFF.I, I, I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST MAKING A COMMENT.
LIKE, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE TIMES WHEN I'VE PAID ATTENTION TO US, PUTTING TOGETHER A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I MEAN, P AND Z IS HEAVILY INVOLVED.
AND IF YOU THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT ROLE AND USE THE WORD, UM, STUDY, IS THAT THE WORD YOU WANTED, TOM? I MEAN, I'M 30 AND RECOMMEND.
I THINK WHAT TODD WAS SAYING WAS IT FORMULATE MEANS THAT IT'S OUR JOB.
IT'S NOT THE PART OF STAFF BEING INVOLVED.
I DON'T THINK WHERE DOES IT TAKE OUT FORMULA STUDYING RECOMMEND? I THINK THAT'S MORE OF WHAT WE DO.
THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS I THINK YOU CAN SAY FORMULATE EVEN IF STAFF IS DOING A LOT OF, I DON'T THINK IT'S PRECLUSIVE FOR FIRST STUDY.
I THINK IT'S A BETTER REPRESENTATION OF WHAT, WHAT WE DO.
WE ADD AN EXTRA LINE THAT SAYS THAT, UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WORKS WITH STAFF AND COUNCIL IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WE CAN ADD SOME LANGUAGE TO, TO ADDRESS THAT.
I THINK THESE ARE ALL GREAT POINTS.
I THINK THE KEY THING TO, TO REALLY CONTINUE AND CARRY FORWARD IS, IS JUST THAT THERE IS A STRONG RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COMMISSION AND THE COMP PLAN AND THE ZONING PROCESS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE CRITICAL FUNCTIONS OF THE COMMISSION.
ANYTHING ELSE THERE ON FEEDBACK ON ARTICLE THREE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? SORRY.
HEY KEN, JUST A LOT OF US NOT HAVE TO JUST COME OUT OF THE CHARTER AND KIND OF MIRROR WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS.
I'M SORRY, YOU BROKE UP A LITTLE BIT.
I SAID, DOESN'T A LOT OF THIS MIRROR, WHAT'S IN THE CHARTER AND YOU JUST KIND OF HAVE TO WATCH THE LANGUAGE AND WHAT ALREADY IS IN THE CHARTER.
THERE, THERE WILL BE LANGUAGE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARTER AS WELL AS THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN CONFLICT WITH EITHER.
UM, WE HAVE LIMITED ABILITY TO IMPACT THE CHARTER.
UH, THAT'S A MUCH BROADER UPDATE PROCESS IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE, ARE CRITICAL NON-NEGOTIABLE ITEMS WITH THE COMMISSION THAT CONFLICTED WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WE CAN, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY LOOK AT, UH, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE, WHAT THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE ZONING ORDINATE.
THEN MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION ON THIS PART IS, UM, WHERE YOU SAY STATE CITY STAFF NEEDS TO WORK WITH THE COMMISSION WORK PROGRAM AS DESCRIBED IN ITEM.
J CAN YOU TELL US WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND THERE CAN.
UM, IN PAST STUDIES THAT I'VE WORKED IN, UM, THE PLANNING STAFF, UH, WILL HAVE ITEMS. SO, UM, PERHAPS THERE'S ITEMS THAT COME UP IN THE REVIEW OF OUR APPLICATIONS WHERE SAY, UH, THE COMMISSION HAS IDENTIFIED, UH, AN ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO EXPLORE FURTHER AND, AND, AND RESEARCH, AND PERHAPS EXPLORE ORDINANCE UPDATES.
THAT'S A FREQUENT ITEM TYPE OF ITEM THAT YOU WOULD SEE ON A WORK PROGRAM WITH THE COMMISSION.
UH, OTHER ITEMS YOU COULD HAVE MORE OF THE SPECIAL PROJECT FOR VARIETY.
SAY IF WE WANTED TO DO A DETAILED REVIEW AND AN UPDATE AND SAY THAT THE TOWN'S PARKING STANDARDS THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION, WHERE WERE TO TACKLE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UH, WE DO HAVE A UDC PROCESS FOR THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE.
SO ITEMS THAT ARE PRIORITIES FOR THE COMMISSION AND STAFF TO WORK ON THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE ROUTINE ITEMS THAT WE DEAL WITH, UH, ON A MONTH TO MONTH BASIS IN OUR MEETINGS.
SO IT WOULD NOT BE A WORK PROGRAM BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING IN IT.
IF THE COMMISSION DOES NOT WANT TO HAVE A WORK PROGRAM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A NEED, BUT IT IS, IT IS CALLED OUT IN THIS DOCUMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT SECTION? NOPE.
LET'S LOOK AT ARTICLE FOUR THERE.
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REGULAR MEETING NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO SPECIFY BUSINESS HOURS.I MEAN, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR MEETINGS ON EARLY IN THE WEEK.
SO YOU WOULD LIKE TO CALL OUT WHAT THE MEETINGS WILL BE FIRST IN SECTION D OKAY.
72 HOURS TO 48 HOURS, BUT I THINK IT'S A SPECIFIED BUSINESS, CORRECT.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING TO HIM.
AGENDAS ARE GOING TO BE POSTED.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AGENDA POSTING ON THAT IS 72 CALENDAR HOURS, NOT BUSINESS HOURS AND THEN SPECIFY THAT VERSUS I DON'T THINK IT JUST SHOULD BE GENERIC.
NOT BUSINESS HOURS, ARTICLE FOUR.
I THINK IT WAS TO INCLUDE EMAIL AS OPPOSED TO JUST, YES.
WELL, THE CALLING OF THE MEETING ARTICLES, ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR CHANGES IN ADDITION TO WHAT KEN HAS NOTED THERE? NOPE.
AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE GET INTO THE ELECTRONIC THING WAS CERTAINLY IMPORTANT TO PLAY THAT ANY OTHER CHANGES THERE, THIS ARTICLE SEVEN COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? YEAH.
OBVIOUSLY SECTION B MAKES A LOT OF WORK, I THINK, UM, IN B ONE, FOR INSTANCE, UM, IT SAYS THAT THE PROPOSALS WILL BE CALLED IN ORDER, UM, AS SPECIFY THE NO'S OF PUBLIC HEARING.
AND I GUESS TODD, IS THAT, IS THAT ACTUALLY HOW WE DO IT OR SOMETIMES JUST SEEMS KIND OF RANDOM AND I GUESS I'VE NEVER REALLY CHECKED.
WHAT'S PUBLICLY PUT OUT THERE VERSUS WHAT WE RECEIVE IS THE, UH, THE ORDER OF PRESENTATION.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
THEY ARE DONE IN THE ORDER THAT, THAT THEY ARE PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC, BUT IS THERE ALSO A HEARING TIME SPECIFIED ON THAT AGENDA FOR EACH ITEM AS IT SORT OF SAYS THEY'RE NOT STANDARD? YEAH.
I WOULDN'T, I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE WOULD, SO THIS IS JUST REFERRING TO SIX O'CLOCK TIME.
I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE DIFFERENCE ON HOW WE WIN AND WHERE AND HOW WE CALL IT PUBLIC MEETING.
UM, AND I THINK WE GET THE BUSINESS DONE.
IT'S JUST THAT ACCORDING TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING ALSO INCLUDES THE APP AND WE KIND OF HAVE THE APPLICANT COME UP, ANSWER QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE CALL THE PUBLIC MEETING.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO JUST BE CONSISTENT OR JUST MAKE THIS CLEAR CLARIFY WHAT WE'RE DOING OR, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
IF WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE DOING IT THE WAY THAT WE HAVE DONE IT IN THE PAST, THAT SHOULD REFLECT.
AND IF THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT IN THE PAST IS THAT KOSHER NOT, WE NEED TO CHANGE IT BACK TO WHAT'S IN, WHAT'S IN HERE, I GUESS.
SO IS WHERE IS THE CONFLICT WITH, WITH PAST PRACTICES AND, AND THIS LANGUAGE SPECIFICALLY, ISN'T THE ORDER.
SO FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, THE COMMISSION TYPICALLY HAS THE APPLICANT SPEAK FIRST? IS IT THE ISSUE OF NOT HAVING THE FOLKS WHO ARE SUPPORTING IT AND THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSING IT AND ORDER NO, IT'S, IT'S WE CALL THE APPLICANT UP FOR QUESTIONS.
THEY GIVE A PRESENTATION AND THEN
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THE CHAIR OFFICIALLY OPENS FOR PUBLIC.THE PUBLIC HEARING IS SUPPOSED TO INCLUDE THE APPLICANT AND PEOPLE SUPPORTING IT OR NOT.
SO I JUST, I WAS JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT WAS THERE AFTER YOU DO ALL THAT, IT SITS DOWN THERE THEN IN NUMBER FOUR, THEY'LL THEN DECLARE THE PRESENTATION CLOSED.
SO I THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S JUST THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT PART OF THAT OFFICIAL PUBLIC HEARING AS WE CALL IT CURRENTLY.
AND THEN, UM, I NOTICED HER THING IN HERE AT THE SOLE TAPES ITEMS TWO AND THREE FILLING OUT SPEAKER CARDS, WHICH WE DO, BUT IT DOES NOT.
UM, ARE YOU JUST SAYING KEN, THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING HERE AND HERE THAT SAYS THAT THAT IS THE PROCESS BECAUSE THAT'S HOW, UH, IF THAT COULD PROVIDE MORE DETAIL, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE IN HERE.
I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN.
IF IT, IT IS ADDING A LOT OF ORDER IN THE PROCESS, AS FAR AS HAVING PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING FOR AND AGAINST ALL KIND OF ORGANIZED.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE GROUPED TOGETHER.
MY, MY EXPERIENCE AND MY RECOMMENDATION AND PROBABLY THE MOST EQUITABLE WAY OF, OF, UM, ALLOWING FOR SPEAKERS IS PROBABLY TO TAKE THEM IN ON, UH, AN ORDER THEM AS FAR AS HOW, WHEN THEY ARE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED.
SOMETIMES IF YOU, IF YOU DO ALL THE SORTING OF SPEAKERS AND SO YOU MAY HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE SUPPORT, UH, AN ITEM ON THE FRONT END AND SOMEONE WHO MAY BE OPPOSED TO IT, THEY MAY, THEY MAY NOT WANT TO SPEAK AFTER THEY HEAR ALL THESE PEOPLE SUPPORTING THEIR, THEIR VICE VERSA.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE MOST EQUITABLE WOULD BE JUST TO TAKE THEM IN BASED ON WHEN THEY'RE RECEIVED A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, IT'S EASIER TO DO AS KEN SUGGESTED TO TAKE THEM IN THE ORDER RECEIVED EQUITABLE.
DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE A PREFERENCE ON THAT ISSUE? I DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE ON THE ISSUE, BUT, UH, IS THERE A WAY CURRENTLY OR IN THE FUTURE FOR US TO BE NOTIFIED AS TO WHO THE SPEAKERS ARE GOING TO BE, WHETHER THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF, OR IN OPPOSITION TO HERE'S REALLY NOT BECAUSE SOMEONE CAN COME THEORETICALLY TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THAT TIME TO COME AND SHOW UP.
THERE'S NOT A PRE-REGISTRATION REQUIREMENT.
BUT, BUT DO THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE RIGHT AWAY FROM THE CARD THAT THEY FILL OUT IS A PATIENT ON IT FOR IT TO SAY OPPOSE OR, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, UH, PROPOSAL, BECAUSE I KNOW THOSE CARDS USUALLY TO THE CHAIRMAN SO THAT SHE STARTS SELECTING THEM, IS WHAT SHE DOES.
I HAVE NOT SEEN THE CARD THAT THE TOWN USES, BUT CITIES TYPICALLY, UM, DRAFT THEM THAT WAY.
UM, THE ONE THING I WOULD SHARE IS, UM, ON BOB'S QUESTION IS THAT WHERE YOU WILL SEE FEEDBACK LEADING INTO THE MEETING IS FOR, UH, INDIVIDUALS WHO SUBMITTED, SAY AN EMAIL TO STAFF OR MAILED BACK THE ZONING NOTICE THAT THEY RECEIVED AND, AND, AND INDICATE, UH, SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OR NEUTRALITY.
AND, AND, AND WE WOULD TYPICALLY INCLUDE THAT FEEDBACK IN THE P AND Z PACKET.
YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM HANDLED AS THEY'RE RECEIVED, JUST HAVING BEEN IN, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME DIVISIVE MEETINGS AND FIRST YOU GET ALL OF THE IN FAVOR AND ALL THE AGAINST YOU SEEM TO GET, THERE'S A LOT OF MOMENTUM GOING IN EITHER DIRECTION AND, AND I WOULD MUCH RATHER JUST SEE THEM TAKE IT AS IT WERE RECEIVED.
I THINK THAT'S A LOT MORE, IF YOU DO HAVE A QUESTION COME UP BY SOMEBODY
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IT'S A LOT MORE DEFENSIBLE IT'S SPENDABLE THAT WAY.I PREFER NOT HAVING ONE GROUP ALL AT ONCE AND SECOND GROUP AGAIN, BUT, UM, I, I JUST KIND OF WONDER IF THE RANDOMNESS, INSTEAD OF IN THE ORDER THEY'RE RECEIVED, BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY AGAINST THIS.
AND SO THEY ALL SEND IN THEIR GRIEVANCES AT ONCE.
AND SO THEN YOU END UP WITH ONE GROUP GETTING ALL THE ATTENTION FIRST AND THEN THOSE GRANOLA SIDE GETTING IN LAST.
SO I KIND OF LIKE WHERE THE CHAIR JUST KIND OF RANDOMLY PICKS THE CARDS THAT SHE'S BEEN GIVEN AND JUST ASKED FOR THAT PERSON TO TALK, NOT KNOWING IF THEY ARE FOR OR AGAINST.
THERE'S SOMETHING TO THAT TOO.
SO I GUESS WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE WANT TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS, AND WE JUST TAKE THEM IN ORDER.
IS THAT A, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING BOOK? SO THE WAY IT IS IS B THREE, IT SAYS ALL THOSE IN SPORT AND ALL THOSE IN OPPOSITION.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE DON'T LIKE THAT PROCESS.
WE WANT IT THE WAY THAT WE CURRENTLY DO IT, NOT THE WAY IT IS.
SO CAN WE THAT CHANGE? UM, THIS, UM, I GUESS MY ONLY OTHER, MY QUESTION IS ON SECTION D ONE, THE 200 FOOT NOTICE BOUNDARY.
I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT MIGHT BE FOR WHERE I LIVE.
UM, AND I SUSPECT THAT OTHERS MIGHT NOT EITHER, OKAY.
RADICALLY, IF YOU'RE IN THE 200 FOOT NOTICE BOUNDARY, YOU SHOULD GET A WRITTEN NOTICE OF ANY SORT OF TURNING CHANGE.
AND CAN I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE YOU COULD WORK FOR SOMEBODY THAT OWNS THAT REAL ESTATE AND IT, YOU STILL INDIRECTLY ARE AFFECTED BY THAT DECISION.
SO I THINK THE SCOPE OF THE NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED A LITTLE MORE, IT'S NOT JUST DIRECT OWNERSHIP IT'S WORKING FOR REPRESENTING ANY KIND OF OWNER.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW, I'M SURE THERE'S LEGAL LANGUAGE OUT THERE TO COVER IT.
A LOT OF THAT WOULD BE GOVERNED BY CHAPTER ONE, ONE 70, ONE OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, WHICH DOES INCLUDE THINGS SUCH AS WHERE YOUR EMPLOYMENT IS TIED TO AN APPLICANT.
I KNOW SOMEBODY PERSONALLY IN PREVIOUSLY ON P AND Z THAT DID NOT RECUSE THEMSELVES AND THEY WERE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY DECISIONS MADE THAT THEY VOTED ON.
AND I HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD SELL FOR HUGHES MYSELF, BUT THAT INDIVIDUAL CHOSE NOT TO, AND IN MY MIND, SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD THE VOTE.
IT CLEARLY SAYS A MONETARY INTEREST.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT INCLUDES EMPLOYMENT.
I AGREE WITH DENISE AND THE, AND THE STATUTE INCLUDES THAT AS WELL AS THE PHEASANT STANCE, RIGHT.
IT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN CURRENTLY.
IT SAYS IF THE COMMISSIONER OWNS PROPERTY WITHIN THAT, WELL, I CAN WORK FOR SOMEBODY THAT OWNS THAT PROPERTY.
AND THAT DOESN'T SAY THAT DOES I COULD VOTE AND I COULD BE GETTING A BONUS FROM THAT PERSON IF IT GOT APPROVED.
I MEAN, IT THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH CONFLICT THERE STILL DENISE, THE WAY IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE DOCUMENT.
D ONE, I'M TALKING ABOUT KENT, THE WAY KEN'S REVISIONS ARE.
I THINK THE WHITE ACTUALLY IN THE DOCUMENT NOW TUBERS IT.
AND THEN I'M LOOKING AT THE GRAY PARAGRAPH WHERE THE PROGRAM WAS WRITTEN AND NO, I THINK WE NEED TO LEAVE THAT AS IT IS FOR THE EXACT REASONS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THE LAST ONE IS ARTICLE EIGHT, ASKING IF THE ANIMAL IS PHOTOS, THIS IS DESIRED.
OR IF THEY ALREADY ARE SIMPLE, MAJORITY GOES, AND I WOULD SAY AS EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE, THAT IT SHOULD BE A MAJORITY SOUND.
UM, SO FOR TOMORROW EVENING, WE DISCUSS ALL OF THESE.
THIS IS WHY I WANTED TO DO THIS NOW AND NOT TOMORROW EVENING.
CAUSE I MEAN, THERE WERE LOTS OF THINGS THAT WE NEEDED
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TO LOOK AT.UM, WHAT IS YOUR PREFERENCE ON HOW WE ADDRESS THIS? UH, DOES IT HAVE TO BE PRESENTED TOMORROW? KEN, KEN GO BACK AND FORTH, BUT ANOTHER ROUGH DRAFT THAT WE COULD TALK TO TALK ABOUT AT A, ANOTHER MEETING.
SO IT'S ON THE AGENDA, SO WE HAVE TO ADDRESS IT AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HAVE A, A PRESENTATION TO THE NEXT MEETING.
AND DO WE EVEN, IT'S NOT REALLY A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.
DO WE NEED THE, TO TABLE IT? UM, I THINK WHAT I COULD DO IS JUST KIND OF PRESENT AND SUMMARIZE OUR DISCUSSION TODAY.
AND THEN, AND THEN NOTE THAT, UH, I'LL RETURN TO YOU IN JULY WITH A DRAFT DOCUMENT.
WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT SUFFICE? THAT WOULD BE FINE IF THE COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO TABLE IT AND CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT, BUT THERE'S NO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REQUIREMENT THAT OF TAKE ACTION, RIGHT? IT, YEAH, THIS WAS JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM.
HEY, KEN, ONE LAST THING WHEN I WAS HAVING VOICE ISSUES EARLIER, UM, THE PACKETS THAT WE NEED TO REVIEW THAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE JOINT REVIEW WITH CITY COUNCIL STUFF, HOW INTENSE IS THAT DOCUMENTATION? IT WILL BE, IT WILL BE QUITE INTENSE.
FOR THAT ONE, I PERSONALLY PUT IN A REQUEST TO HAVE IT IN PRINT THEN.
FOR, FOR ONES LIKE THAT, I'LL, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PRINT IT.
UM, FOR OUR REGULAR PACKET, I DON'T HAVE ISSUE PRINTING ANYONE THAT ANYONE THAT WOULD WANT TO PRINT PACK IT JUST LET ME KNOW, UM, WHERE WE CAN SAVE RESOURCES.
BUT IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD LIKE A PRINTED PACKET, I HAVE NO ISSUE, BUT FOR THE CODE PROJECT, YOU'RE GOING TO GET EVERYTHING PRINTED.
IF I MAY COMMISSIONER IS I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER.
I KNOW YOU PROBABLY NEED TO GO, SO I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF OR PARDON ME.
UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THE COMMISSIONERS ARE APPOINTED AND WHAT WAY WOULD, SHOULD APPEAR IN THE DOCUMENT.
THE ORDINANCE, I ACTUALLY LOOKED UP AND SAYS THAT THE COMMISSION, THE COMMISSIONERS FROM EACH BE APPOINTED BY MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A PRACTICE WHERE EACH COUNCIL PERSON APPOINT SOMEONE WITHIN THE ENTIRETY OF THE COUNCIL VOTES.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE DOCUMENT NEED TO MATCH THE LANGUAGE.
THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, WE WERE ALSO KIND OF SUGGESTED THAT WE COULD CHANGE ORDINANCES OR AMENDED ORDINANCES.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER OR IS THAT A POSSIBILITY OR YOU CAN RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL THAT ORDINANCE IS BEING AMENDED, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU'LL TALK TO COUNCIL.
I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
AND WHAT WOULD THAT RECOMMENDATION BE? WHAT, I THINK WHAT IT WAS, WHAT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME BY PAUL WAS THAT EACH COUNSELING HAS A DISTRICT AND HE REPRESENTS THAT DISTRICT.
SO THEY WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE P AND Z REPRESENT THAT DISTRICT WITHIN THE CITY.
I THINK YOU HAVE EXPLAINED TO ME, THERE ARE NO DISTRICTS.
IT'S JUST AN APPOINTMENT TO SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY.
AND IT'S ONLY THE MOST RECENTLY ELECTED COUNCIL MEMBERS TO VOTE SPECIFICS.
I THINK, I THINK THE ORDINANCE, THE FACT THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL DOES VOTE ON EACH NOMINEE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ORDINANCE AS A BRIEF.
BUT I UNDERSTAND IF YOU WANT A RECORD CHANGE, IT MAY BE CONSISTENT, BUT I THINK IT'S UNCLEAR AND APPROVE YES.
FROM A, A STATUTORY STANDPOINT.
BUT THE LANGUAGE THAT THAT TED BROUGHT UP IS KEY BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, AND WE'VE, WE'VE NOTED THIS EARLIER,
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THE COUNCIL IS THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR ANY ACTION CARRIED OUT BY THE COUNCIL, BUT UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROCESS AND THE, AND THE PROCEDURE MAY NOT BE FULLY ALIGNED.CHRIS, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY SERVED ON COUNCIL? WELL, THE PROCESS FOR ME HAS ALWAYS BEEN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY EACH COUNCIL MEMBER HAS THE APPOINTMENT AND IT'S A TWO-YEAR APPOINTMENT.
AND AS YOU'RE APPROACHING THE, THE EXPIRATION OF THAT APPOINTMENT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO EITHER, UM, APPOINT AGAIN FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS OF THAT PERSON AS TIME REMAINING, OR YOU FIND A NEW APPOINTMENT.
AND AT LEAST MY TIME HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS MY APPOINTMENT, I FOUND SOMEONE WHO I THOUGHT WAS WORTHY OF THE APPOINTMENT, AND THEN I BROUGHT IT FORWARD AND, AND WE ALL VOTED ON IT.
THAT THAT WAS THE PROCESS FOR ME.
AND I THINK THAT PROCESS WORKS.
BUT FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE, CHRIS OR ANYBODY ELSE, WHEN SOMEBODY PRESENTS A PERSON, UH, A NOMINEE, DO THEY NOT GET THE FULL SUPPORT OF THE REST OF THE COUNCIL? NO, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHEN IT GOT REALLY POLITICAL AND, UH, YOU HAD, UM, APPOINTMENTS NOT BEING, NOT GET APPROVED.
AND AT LEAST MY TIME ON COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GOT INTO THIS, OKAY.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO APPOINT SOMEONE, THEN YOU HAVE TO DO A BIO AND YOU GOT TO PROVE THAT THEY'RE WORTHY OF THE NOMINATION AND IT, IT, WASN'T ALWAYS AS SIMPLE AS YOU THINK IT WAS OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
THAT'S THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ISSUES, CORRECT.
TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE.
AND TO DO THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ANY FORMAL ACTION.
DID WE, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED ANY FORMAL ACTION HERE TO, TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
YOU CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING FORMAL.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE ADJOURN AND MEET UP AGAIN TOMORROW EVENING.
AND DID YOU WANT TO TALK AFTER THE MEETING OR ARE YOU JUST GOING TO LET, YOU'RE GOING TO ASK IF, IF COMMISSIONERS TO JOIN VIRTUALLY YES.
I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THE COMMISSION ON THAT ISSUE.
I'LL SEND OUT AN EMAIL CONFIRMING THAT.
IS THERE A LEGAL QUESTION? I'M SORRY.
SO THE, THE WE'RE MEETING IN PERSON TOMORROW AND DUE TO TRAVEL AND, AND OTHER POTENTIAL CONFLICTS, THERE MAY BE DESIRE OR NEED FROM A COMMISSION MEMBER OR MEMBERS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING VIRTUALLY THEY CAN PARTICIPATE BY VIDEO CONFERENCE AS LONG AS THEY CAN SEE AND CAN BE SEEN.
SO THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE MEETING AND THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE SEEN AT THE MEETING AND HEARD, UH, BOTH.
UH, SO ESSENTIALLY SOMETHING LIKE ZOOM, BUT THE COMMISSIONER WHO HAS BEEN VIRTUAL AND USED TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENED.
COUNCIL'S GOT THEM DOWN PRETTY WELL.
THE, THE, THE MEETINGS I'VE BEEN TO THAT SEEMS TO WORK WITH PEOPLE COMING IN VIRTUALLY.
SO I GUESS WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
WE WILL BE DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
SO, UH, UH, UM, I'M HOPEFUL THAT ARE JUST AS EFFECTIVE.
SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? UH, TOM AND DENISE, IF YOU COULD JUST SEND ME DENISE, I GUESS A LINK IN THE EVENT THAT WE NEED TO USE, IT THAT'D BE GOOD.
LIKE I SAID, I'LL BE THERE IN PERSON, BUT WEATHER MAY CREATE A PROBLEM TO BE PLAN ON BEING THERE FROM A PHONE IS NOT SUFFICIENT.
NO, I WOULD, I WOULD LINK IN WITH, ON MY IPAD, JUST LIKE WE HAVE NOW.
I JUST, I JUST NEED A LINK, WHATEVER THAT LINK IS.