* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:06] JUSTICE. [1. Present and Discuss the Compensation Market Study Results and Recommendations. ] FIRST ITEM. WHAT SESSION IS SAID? NUMBER ONE, IS THAT DISCUSS THE COMPENSATION, WALKING STUDY, THOUGHTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU. MAYOR COUNCIL PASSION. HEY IS DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES TONIGHT BASED ON THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL DIRECTION FROM AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR MARKET PAY STUDY AND ARE PREPARED TO SHARE HER FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION AS A REMINDER TONIGHT. GOTCHA. LET ME START OVER IF MY KID THANK YOU. MAYOR COUNCIL, PASSION HAYES, DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES TONIGHT BASED ON PREVIOUS COUNCIL DIRECTION FROM AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR MARKET PAY STUDY AND ARE PREPARED TO SHARE OUR FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION. AS THE REMINDER FOR TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION. UM, WE ARE ONLY LOOKING AT THE TOTAL PAY PORTION OF TOTAL COMPENSATION. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT INSURANCE OR OTHER BENEFITS TO WALK US THROUGH THE MARKET STUDY. WE HAVE ENGAGED PUBLIC SECTOR PERSONNEL CONSULTANTS, OR MATT WEATHERLY SERVES AS PRESIDENT AND OWNER OF THE COMPANY. MATT'S FIRM SPECIALIZES IN CLASSIFICATION AND COMPENSATION FOR CITIES AND SOME OF THE CITIES THAT MATT AND HIS FIRM HAVE WORKED WITH RECENTLY INCLUDE THE CITY OF DALLAS FRISCO, URBAN COLLIN PARK. JUST TO NAME A FEW, I'M GOING TO TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO MATT AND HE WILL WALK THROUGH THE STUDY, OUR FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, STEVEN GLICKMAN, AND I WILL TALK THEN ABOUT FUNDING AND NEXT STEPS IN THE WEST. WE'LL PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL CLOSING THOUGHTS. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MATT. SORRY. UM, AND THEN, UH, CERTAINLY ANSWER REMINDERS, LISTEN, AIRBUS, UH, COUNCIL, THE COUNCIL THEY DID AGAIN, IDENTIFYING WITH YEAH. OR LOST PEOPLE TO, UH, IN CERTAINLY HAVE A LOT OF LIKE JOBS. ARONSON IS VERY COMPETITIVE. THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN PHILOSOPHIES. WE'RE GOING TO THE NEXT SLIDE. WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL, A COUPLE OF KEY TERMS AND KEY DEFINITIONS. AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE THUS FAR, THAT'S JUST LIKE ANOTHER NEW SERVICE OUT INFORMAL PLAN. THAT IS THAT ARE NEUTRALIZED FROM HIRING, YOU KNOW, FOR DISTRIBUTION OF SALARIES WITH PEOPLE'S , UH, PRESENCE OF STAFFS, UH, VARIOUS THE ACTUAL SALARIES ARE ABOUT, WELL, THIS ISN'T THE AMOUNT THAT PEOPLE EAT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW HERE, AS WELL AS TO THOSE ACTUAL SALARIES. NOW, BASED ON YOUR EX, NOW THEY CAN MOVE BASED ON MARKETING . [00:05:03] BUT FROM AGENCY TO AGENCY, WE SEE THAT A LOT OF CITIES THAT ADJUST THEIR SALARIES BASED ON STEPS, BASED ON A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT, BASED ON A GENERAL ALL AT THE SAME PACE, SAME RATINGS. UM, WHEREAS IT HAS TO THIS HOUR HERE. SO BASED ON THEIR EVALUATION OF REVEALING RATES CAN BE DEFINED AS THE AVERAGES OF THE RANGES AS WELL AS THE ACTUAL HOURS. AND THE WORK THAT HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN DONE, UH, FOUR ACID FOCUSES ON ENSURING THAT COMPETITIVE DISCOVERY. SO WE FOCUSED ON THE DOWN MARKET. SO WE FIND THOSE PREVAILING RATES ON THE ENTRY POINT. TALK ABOUT AVENUES FOR EACH OF THE JOBS DEFINITIONS, UM, MARKET. YOU'VE GOT TO THAT ISSUE REALLY FOR THIS ARGUED, WE SAW THAT THIS CITIES THAT WE COULD KEEP IT AFTERWARDS IN THIS APP. I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT MARKET FIND THE AVERAGE VALUE OF A RANGE ASSIGNED TO THOSE LIGHT JOBS OF THE MARKET VALUE OF JOBS IS BASED ON SUPPLY AND DEMAND. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT AS IT TALKED ABOUT THIS EVENING, BRILLIANT, A FLAT MARKET ADJUSTMENTS. ALSO, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ADJUSTING THE PAY RANGES TO MAINTAIN OUR RELATIVE POSITION DURING THE MARKET, UH, PUNCHLINE TO THAT THERE IS A JOB, SOME JOBS MOVE FASTER THAN OTHERS IN THE MARKET. IF ON, AT THAT SECOND LINE THERE, UH, I TOUCHED ON THAT THESE ARE SALARY INCREASES THAT ARE PROVIDED TO ASSES BOTH TEACHERS UNDER OBJECTIVE VALUATED PERFORMANCE. AND SO THAT IS THE POOL METHOD BY WHICH THE COMBINATION ON THE GENERAL, ACROSS THE BORDER ADJUSTMENTS AND STEPPING PRETTY COMMON METHODS OF SALARY ADJUSTMENTS OUT OF THE MARKET. SOME OF THOSE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT PERFORMANCE-BASED OR THOSE THAT DO HAVE ART SPACE PLANS. WHO'S IN THE ROOM SALARIES AT THE SCENE OF THE CASE. SO IT'S AIMING TO GET AMERICANS HERE. IT'S X PERCENT AND THAT'S A SLIDE I HAVE HERE, AND I WON'T BELABOR TOO MANY THINGS. THIS COMES OVER ON THIS SLIDE. AS I MENTIONED, ALL HERESY SCENES OUT OF THE RANGE FOR NEARLY ALL OF YOUR JOBS, SOME OF THE CONTRACT POSITIONS. SO NOT HIGHER LEVEL EXECUTIVE DECISIONS, MAJORITY OF ALL OF YOUR JOBS FROM MINIMUM TO MAXIMUM OUT EMPLOYEES. NOW YOU HAVE AN OPEN RATE FOR ALL OF YOUR JOBS. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE MATTER LIMITS. MY SALARY. COMMUNITIES, ALL MY NOTES ON THE BOTTOM, YOU JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THOSE OTHER SEATS. HEY MATT, CAN YOU HEAR US? YEAH, WE GET OUT HERE. YOU WE'VE GOT SOME AUDIO ISSUES. IS THAT YES, MATT. THIS IS HOW I MADE IT. CAN I GET YOUR STYLING SINCE LIKE YOU HAVEN'T BEEN AUDIO PROBLEM AT YOUR HANDS? THE 800 NUMBER NO, WE STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU THAT CLEARLY. NOW COULD YOU DIAL IN FOR US? [00:10:57] YES. YES. THAT'S BETTER MATT. MATT. WE CAN HEAR YOU. ARE YOU NOT HEARING US? I GUESS? YEAH. YOU JUST WANT TO BOOT THE ID TO POUND ANOTHER POUND. YOU SHOULD BE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? IT MUST BE THE PHONE. ARE YOU SPEAKING ON THE PHONE OR YOUR MICROPHONE CELL PHONE? WELL, I'VE GOT BOTH OR YOU NEED TO SHOW HIM THE PHONE, BUT THAT'S BETTER. WHAT THEY, DADDY IS. OKAY. OKAY. WHAT I WANT TO DO IS DRINK ANYWHERE ON THIS PAY RANGE FROM HERE TO PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH TENDS TO HIRE AT STEP ONE, UNLESS THEY HAVE ALLOW THE OTHER REMINDER EVALUATED PERFORMANCE. ANOTHER NOTE IS THAT I THINK YOU'D KNOW WHERE YOUR CURRENT PEOPLE ARE. POINT CIVILIAN. OKAY. WE'RE STILL HAVING DIFFICULTIES ON THIS END. LET US PAUSE AND TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT. OKAY. YOUR COUNSEL. CAN WE TAKE A BRIEF RECESS TO FIGURE THIS OUT FOR FIVE MINUTES? THAT'S FINE. YEAH, WE NEED BACK UP AT ALL ON ANY OF OUR KEY DEFINITIONS. NO, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. OKAY. SO YEAH, WE WERE JUST GOING TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, HEARING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CITY, THE CITY THAT THE RANGE IS BEARING OUR HOPE IS DISCORD AND ENSURING THAT THE TOWNS PERIOD IS, ARE COMPETITIVE IN ORDER FOR YOU TO ADMINISTER SALARIES BASED ON THERE. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT DISTINGUISHES ASAM FROM SOME OF YOUR CERTAIN STUDENTS THAT HAVE EITHER STAFF PLANS, WHERE THEY HAVE UNDER A 10 DRIVEN OR GENERAL INCREASE MOVEMENT, UH, IN THEIR EMPLOYEES MOVE THROUGH THESE ADOPTIVE RINGS MORE BASED ON THEIR NOT EVEN, AND OF NOTE. WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR SURVEY, WE PRETEND TO DO STRUCTURED, STRUCTURED COMPARISONS RATHER THAN ACTUAL CERTAINLY COMPARISONS TYPICALLY BECAUSE OF THESE VARYING PRACTICES, THE ACTUAL SALARIES BASED ON THEIR TENURE, BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE, THEIR ABILITY TO WAS, AGAIN, A LOT OF VOLATILITY TO THE DATA. AND I WILL SAY UNBLOCKING, UH, FOR ADDISON CURRENTLY UP [00:15:01] AGAINST THIS SUPPOSE HEARING NEWS, YOUR AVERAGE CIVILIAN IS ABOUT 7% BELOW YOU MID POINTS. UM, SO YEAH, THEY HAVE ON AVERAGE, I THINK I SAW IN MY NOTES ABOUT SEVEN YEARS. SO THE AVERAGE, UH, ACID EMPLOYEE AS A, NO, EXCUSE ME, ON THE CIVILIAN SIDE, HE EVER ASKED HIM WHERE HE HAS ABOUT FOUR YEARS AT YOUR JOB AND THEY'RE ABOUT 7% BELONG. THE POINT. SO WITHIN THESE PAY RANGE ANATOMY OR, UM, BUYER ON AVERAGE IS ABOUT 5% BELOW POINT WITH ALMOST SIX YEARS IN THE JOB IN POLICE IS ABOUT 7% BELOW MID POINT WITH AN AVERAGE OF SEVEN YEARS. AND SOME OF THE MORE RECENT HISTORY WITH THE TOWN WE CONCERNED CERTAINLY AS ENSURING THAT YOUR ACTUAL SALARIES ARE COMPETITIVE WITHIN YOUR PAY RANGES. AND, UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ACTUAL SALARY DATA FROM THE MARKET CDS, BUT IT CAN BE OBTAINED IN. SO WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE NEED TO COME BACK WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE. WE WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, JUST TO KIND OF QUICK REMINDER, HERE IN 2018, WE MOVED TO, UH, AN ADOPTIVE PAY PHILOSOPHY WITH THESE KIND OF RULES IN MIND TO ENCOURAGE EXCELLENCE IN SERVICE ON TIME BEING CONSISTENT PERFORMANCE TO REWARD THE EMPLOYEE, CERTAINLY FROM THEIR HABITS IN THEIR PERFORMANCE, AS WELL AS TO MAINTAIN THAT PRETENDED POSITION UP AGAINST THE METRO CITIES THAT WE SHOWED A COUPLE OF SLIDES AND GO BY ATTEMPTING TO PAY EMPLOYEES BETTER THAN THE AVERAGE WILSON HARRISON SCENES. WE DO THAT BY MAINTAINING COMPETITIVENESS AND THEN PROVIDING FOR SALARY BASED ON THERE. SO IT'S VERY MUCH AN EARN SALARY INVESTMENT OF 19 ON MARGIN. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THOSE TWO SHAPING THAT BOTTOM NOTE IS REALLY A SUPPORT SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS YOU TO, AND THIS WAS HOURS BASED UPON MERIT WITH A SENSITIVITY TO MARKETS, KIND OF ALLEN'S EQUITABLE AND SUSTAINABLE. COMPETITIVE SLIDE IS TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT WITH AN AVERAGE, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED THAT WE PERFORM REGULAR MARKET STUDIES TO MAINTAIN THE COMPETITIVENESS OF OUR PAY RANGES. WHENEVER WE HAVE MARKET NEED OF THE ATTEMPT TO ADJUST OUR DUTY IS TO MARKET PLUS PERCENT AND HISTORICALLY BEEN ABLE TO ADJUST THE EMPLOYEES BY THE SAME AMOUNT AS PERIOD. NOW, WHEN I LOOK EXTERNALLY APPLE AGAINST UNDER CITIES, AND FRANKLY, THAT IS THE KIND OF THE IDEAL, IF NOT GETTING THE GOLD STANDARD IS AN ISSUE. WHAT I'M SAYING IS SOMETIMES WE MOVE FAST WITH AN EMPLOYEE. THAT'S NOT A GOOD, WE WANT PEOPLE TO MOVE AT THE SEED RATE OR FASTENER. THEN THERE ARE FAVORITES SO THAT YOU CAN LEAN ON THE READING AND SHE PERFORMANCE. AND ACHIEVING THAT HOURS BEING MAINTAINED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MARKETING, A LOT OF TIMES, STRUCTURES OF THE MARKET, MEANING THAT AN AVERAGE FOR TWO AND A HALF PERCENT, AND THEN PEOPLE MOVE BY THAT SAME PIECE OF HISTORICALLY WE'VE DONE MARKET CORRECTION WE'VE ATTEMPTED AND PROVIDE THE FULL MARKET ADJUSTMENT. OBVIOUSLY THEY STILL HAVE TO EARN IT. SO THEY NEED TO MEET OR EXCEED PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AS WELL AS BE MERIT ELIGIBLE TO KEEP THEM. I THINK OUR NEXT SEVERAL SLIDES ARE EXAMPLES OF THE MARKET DATA THAT WE HAVE. SO I WANTED TO JUST KIND OF TALK THREE FIELD OUT. WELL, WE'VE DONE THAT DONE A MARKET SURVEY, COLLECT SALARY PLANS, ORGANIZATION, BUDGET JOBS. WE USE THAT INFORMATION TO INFORM THE . AND THEN WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW YOU IMPLEMENT THAT. AND I TOUCHED ON THIS SMARTLY, OUR EFFORTS OF MAINTAINING THAT BALANCE BETWEEN COMPETITIVENESS . I THINK I HAVE SOME SURVEY EXAMPLES HERE WITH SOME DATA. UM, SO DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON YOUR SLIDES, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU IS OUR POLICE OFFICER RAINY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ARRAY OF THE POLICE OFFICER GAVE RATINGS FROM ALL OF THE STUDENTS. NOW WE'VE GOT, YOU MAY HAVE TO THERE IN RED FONT AND SORTED BY EARRINGS INTRO NOW, AND BILL IS A COUPLE OF THINGS. UM, ALAN IS NOW ALMOST LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF THE POINT. NOW THAT IS OFFICER, THEY RECENTLY DID A VERY SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT FROM THERE, BUT SORTED HIGH TO LOW AS IT IS SECOND FROM THE BOTTOM, UM, THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT AN EIGHT AND A HALF A PERCENT VARIANCE TO MARKET AVERAGE ACTIVE GROUP. AND, UH, OVERALL ABOUT A 9 CENT SLIP [00:20:01] YOU'RE UP AGAINST NOW AS AN ASIDE, SINCE THE LAST SURVEY POLICE OFFICER HAS GROWN BY 12 AND A HALF PERCENT. SO EITHER CONSERVATIVE THAT WE SPLIT THAT OVER TWO YEARS, 19 TO 2021, YOU KNOW, THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS POLICE OFFICER, ADRIAN WAS GROUNDED, UM, ASTRONOMICAL ROLE, NOT REAL SURPRISING. I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, A FEW YEARS OF A VERY KIND OF ROUGH TIMES, OBVIOUSLY OF YOU IN THIS POSITION OR IN THIS PROFESSION THERE, WE SEE THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND IMPACT, I WOULD SAY AS AN ASIDE BECAUSE WE'RE VERY COMPETITIVE CDS AS WELL. WE WANT TO BE LOOKING ACROSS THE MARKET FOR NATURAL FLAX, THAT OTHER CITIES COMPARED TO THAT MEDIAN IS OLD AND REALLY, REALLY WELL IN THE HIGH SIXTIES. UM, SO IT'S NOT AN ANOMALY. THAT'S NEAT JUST THESE SCENES, BUT ONE THAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME TRACTION ACROSS OUR NEXT EXAMPLE AND UNDER SWORN POSITION, HIGHER, HIGHER PARAMEDIC, UH, OUR MARKET QUESTIONNAIRE. UM, THE AVERAGE FIREFIGHTER GROWN BY ALMOST 8% SINCE THE LAST TIME. WAS THERE A QUESTION ON THESE OFFICERS, POLICE OFFICERS, MATT, WOULD YOU JUST CLARIFY WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE OTHER CITIES THAT'S AFTER WHATEVER INCREASED THEY WOULD HAVE GIVEN RELATING TO OCTOBER AN HOUR? YEAH. FOR NOT ONE FOR 2021. SO THIS IS, THIS IS AS A TEN ONE, BUT I WILL SAY THAT A GOOD NUMBER OF THESE CITIES ARE WAITING TO SEE ON THEIR TAX REVENUES, AROUND THEIR SALES TAX PROTECTIONS. THEY'RE LOOKING AT A BIGGER ADJUSTMENT. NOW WE ASKED FOR A, WHAT WAS THE ADOPTED AVERAGE GOING INTO 2021? AND THERE IS THERE SOME 10TH ONE, THERE'S THE ONE, ONE, AND THERE'S A FEW THAT ARE EDGING TO FOUR ONE. AND THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT GENERALLY THIS IS THEIR AFTER LAST ADJUSTMENT AND THIS IS BEFORE WHATEVER WE'RE CONSIDERING. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT YOU KNEW YOU'RE A GOOD MOOD. JUST A LITTLE BIT CURRENTLY WITH FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC DOES SEEM TO SEE THE RANGE, RECEIVE THE OPPORTUNITY AS MORE A POLICE OFFICER. YOU START TO SEE A DEPARTURE IN THE MARKET DATA HERE WHERE THE AVERAGE ENTRY AND THE AVERAGE TOP FOUR FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC ONE DESIGNED THESE OFFICERS. AND THERE WAS A REALLY GOOD SEVEN AND A HALF PERCENT GROWTH. SINCE THE LAST TIME WE DID THE SURVEY, WHAT THIS EQUATES TO IS A SLIGHTLY BETTER POSITION AT THE TOP OF OUR TEAM. I HAVE THIS AGAIN, SORTED IN THREE. SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD AMOUNT LOW ON THE ENTRY. THEY LOOK A LITTLE BIT BETTER. IF I RUN A RESORT THIS ON TOP, NOW I'M GOING TO GIVE IT SORT OF ADJUSTMENT. YOU'RE REQUIRED YEARS THROUGH THE RAIN, INTO THE SALARIES THAT ARE ORDERED, BE ESTABLISHED OUR POSITION. I HAVE TO SIT A MILLION EXAMPLES AS WELL, ALSO SORTED BY COUNTRY NEEDING TO BE SUPERVISOR IN LINE MAINTENANCE, EUROPEAN RANGE, HIGHLIGHTED, UM, WITH DEPARTURE FROM NOT SO MUCH METHODOLOGY AS THE NOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE P RANGE OPPORTUNITY OR YOUR CIVILIAN POSITIONS, THERE WAS AN ESTABLISHED EAST STRUCTURE WITH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 20 OR 30 DIFFERENT PATRIOTS FROM, AND HISTORICALLY WHAT WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO DO IS REALIGN OUR POSITION IN THE MARKET BY MOVING JOBS, DIFFERENT PAID RATES ON THE ESTABLISHED 18 NOW. YEAH, I THINK THE PART OF THE DATA IS TELLING US THIS PROGRAM IS THAT A MAYBE APPROPRIATE IN YOU WILL BUDGET CYCLES TO MOVE THE STRUCTURE BY A LITTLE BIT, NOT NECESSARILY A LOT, BUT THERE'S CURRENTLY ABOUT 5% RATE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE JUST EVERY JOB ROLE IS THE MARKET AS IT OUT. BUT ON AVERAGE, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALMOST A 3% ANNUAL GROWTH RATING AMONG YOUR MARKET CITIES FOR STABILITY. WHAT THAT LEADS TO, I BELIEVE EVENTUALLY YOU START TO FALL OUT OF MARKET POSITION, THESE EXAMPLES. SO IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. OKAY. ANNUAL BASIS, EVEN OBVIOUS SURVEY TOP ON TOP, TO BE AWARE OF WHAT THE, UH, OTHER STUFF, THESE ARE DOING MORE STRUCTURED FOR PEOPLE AND LET THAT INFORM OUR BUDGET PROCESS SO THAT IF WE POOL EVERYTHING INTO A MERIT MARKET LOGIC, WE CONSIDER THE STRUCTURE A LITTLE BIT AND THEN ANYTHING THAT'S LACKING, IT'S SUPPORTED IN AMERICA. SO LET'S SAY A STRUCTURE AND THE MARKET ON AVERAGE MOVES 1%. MAYBE WE COULD BUY BUDGET 4%. WE KNEW OUR STRUCTURE 1% [00:25:01] AND THE REST OF THOSE IN EUROPE, OR MAYBE THE MARKET MOVES A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVELY OR 2% INTO A STRUCTURAL ADJUSTMENT INTO A MIRROR. I HAVE TO GET AHEAD OF MYSELF ON METHODOLOGY, WHICH HAS SOME OBSERVATIONS. WE LOOK AT WHAT HAS OCCURRED SINCE THE LAST SOUNDS. THE OTHER, UH, EXAMPLE I HAVE IS, UH, THE LEAD INSPECTOR AND SENIOR LEVEL BUILDING INSPECTOR IN SORTED AT ENTRY. WE DON'T LOOK TOO GOOD. WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BETTER OFF AT TOP OUT BY THE IMAGE SLIPPED BEHIND MARTIN AVERAGE FOR THIS POSITION. SO WE WOULD, UH, SUGGEST A PAY RANGE ADJUSTMENT, UH, THIS AND LIKEWISE, ANY OTHER POSITION SERVING LOAD. I HAVE A COUPLE OF SUMMARY SLIDES. THE FIRST IS FOR PEACE OF MIND. WE HAVE A MARKET VARIANCE AT ENTRY AND THAT TOP, THE SENSITIVITY HERE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN IT IS FOR CIVILIAN SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE PRESENCE OF STEPS, UH, TEND TO MOVE AROUND CONSIDERABLY IN THE MARKETPLACE. AND YOU NOTICE THAT, UH, PARTICULARLY YOUR BUYER, YOU FALL IN MORAL ON THAT, ENTER THAT TOP OUT IN PART. UM, AND THEN IT SLIDES THE OTHER WAY THAT THERE WOULD BE BUYERS. YOU HAVE TO TALK. UH, WE LOOK OKAY AT ENTRY, THE NUMBER OF STEPS AVAILABLE FOR SOME OF THE HIGHER ONES REALLY STARTS DISTRIBUTOR, BUT ON AVERAGE, ACROSS ALL THE FIRE, UM, THE MARKET, YOUR ANSWER IS RUNNING AT AROUND 5% AND RIGHT AROUND 9% FOR FOUR WEEKS ON THE CIVILIAN SIDE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IN TERMS OF PLUS OR MINUS 5% ON NEXT SLIDE, UNLESS THERE'S A QUESTION ON THIS SLIDE. UM, ON THE CIVILIAN SIDE, WE SURVEYED JUST OVER 70 TOP CLASSIFICATIONS ABOUT ONE FOURTH OF OUR SAMPLES OR 23% OF OUR SAMPLE, UH, SURVEYS LOW BY MORE THAN 5%, UH, COMPARABLE WE'RE ABOUT 60%, 63% OF OUR SAMPLE SIZE WAS TRACKING WITHIN FOUR OR 5% OF MARKET. WE HAD A HANDFUL OF JOBS THAT AFTER A LITTLE BIT BETTER ADDERALL AND MARKET, WHAT THIS LEADS TO IS KIND OF A ADJUSTMENT TO CONSIDERATION OF ADJUSTMENT WITH THE RATES SO THAT WHEN WE'RE DONE, WE HAVE A SIMILAR RELATIONSHIP TO MARKET FOR ALL JOBS. SO AGAIN, BACK TO THAT OFTEN PHILOSOPHY OR STRATEGY OF TRYING TO BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN MARKET AVERAGE, THAT MARKET. AND WE ACHIEVE THAT BY MOVING SALARY REVIEWS BACK TO MARKET, AND THEN BUDGETING FOR INDIVIDUAL SALARY INCREASES BASED ON MARKET. LAST COUPLE OF SLIDES FOR ME, I BELIEVE THAT ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT, UM, EXAMPLES HERE, UH, FIND THE MARKET AND THE ADJUSTMENT PROPOSED FOR POLICE OFFICERS IS, UH, RIGHT AROUND AN AVERAGE OF 9% INVESTMENT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BETWEEN THREE AND TOP OUT THERE TRYING TO REESTABLISH OUR MARKET POSITION, THAT MARKET PLUS MODEL, SAME FOR POLICE OFFICER. UH, WE HAVE HER, EXCUSE ME, PROVIDED BY OUR PARAMEDIC. WE HAVE ADJUSTMENTS AT THE TOP OF THAT EIGHT GRADE OR THAT PAY RANGE. WHAT THAT AMOUNTS TO IS ABOUT 5% TARGET FOR FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC. NOW A 10% MARKET, UH, JUST UNDER A 10% MARKET AND A HALF PERCENT. AND THEN MY LAST SLIDE OR TWO, UM, IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE WRITTEN AROUND ADJUSTING SALARY RANGES AND THE ACTUAL SALARIES, UH, FOR THIS WARRANT POLICE AND FIRE. UH, SAME THING FOR CIVILIAN READOPTING NEW DEBRIEFS ASSIGNMENTS AND MOVING THE EMPLOYEES BY THE SAME AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE INGRAINED IN FOCUSING ON THAT BALANCE BETWEEN MARKET COMPETITIVENESS, INTERNAL EQUITY, CERTAINLY AFFORDABILITY AND SUSTAINABILITY, UH, TO THIS DISCUSSION AS WELL. THE MERIT POOL IS FOR FOLKS. IT WAS REALLY IMPRINTED AROUND LAST YEAR, ONCE. UH, SO THE EMPLOYEES ARE GOING BE WAITING FOR THIS GRANT THAT THEY RECEIVED THEIR REVIEW AND THE MERIT INCREASE THAT'S BUDGETED WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR IT AND APPLIED TO THEIR 2020 SALAD. YOU CAN, THE T-SHIRT WOULD BE ON A ROLLING BASIS. SO IF YOU PROVIDE YOU'RE ON A CERTAIN PAY PERIOD EARLIER, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME BEFORE WE LOOK AT COSTS IN, OR TURN IT OVER TO STAFF TO HELP OUT. I DO. UM, ADITS IVAN, WOULD YOU KIND OF, HE SAID [00:30:01] YOU SAW SOME ADDITIONAL WORK AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU'RE HEADED WITH YOUR ADDITIONAL WORK WHERE I WAS GOING TO HIT. SO MAYBE YOU'D COMMENT ON PLANES BEFORE I GOT IT. YEAH. THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED TO US IN WHO KNOWS WHAT THE ACTUAL HOURS LOOK LIKE UP AGAINST POWERS, UM, IN THE MARKET, I HAVE REALLY ANECDOTES. I DON'T HAVE BOSTON MOUNTAIN, UM, FOR ACTUAL SALARIES FOR DUAL CITIZENS AS A NEW, ALL OF YOUR TOPICS HERE. UM, IF WE WERE TO ASK FOR THAT AND WE'LL JUST GET SOME TIME WITH THAT. WE'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, UH, STRUGGLE AT TIMES, GETTING DATA IN A TIMELY FASHION, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WORKING ON, UM, I CAN SPEAK TO A COUPLE OF YOUR COMPARISON CITIES AND I WON'T NAME NAMES, BUT A COUPLE OF THE COMPARISON CITIES THAT WE WORK WITH VERY SPECIFICALLY, IF YOU'LL RECALL, I SAID YOUR AVERAGE CIVILIAN HAD ABOUT 40 YEARS IN THEIR JOB. THEY WERE ABOUT 7% SHORT, UM, MID POINT. I HAVE ONE CLIENT WITH ABOUT SEVEN YEARS, AVERAGE CIVILIAN, UH, AND ALSO ABOUT 7% BELOW ME. POINT A STICK JUST IN CIVILIAN. UM, YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT NEWER EMPLOYEES THEY'RE GAINING ON THE RANGE ISOLATING, WHICH IS TESTAMENT TO YOUR NARRATIVE PLAN. THE OTHER EXAMPLE THAT I HAVE AT ONE OF THE SURVEY CITIES, AS THREE-YEAR AVERAGE ON CIVILIAN TIME IN JOB, AND THEY'RE AN AVERAGE IS TO BE HAPPY. AND SO THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON THE SWORN SIDE POLICE AND FIRE. THE, UH, THE CURRENT POSITION FOR ASM, UM, IS ON AVERAGE, ABOUT 6% BELOW, MID POINT WITH ABOUT SEVEN YEARS IN JOBS. SO THE AVERAGE POLICE AND FIRE FOLKS, UH, ARE ABOUT 6% BELOW AND THEY HAVE ABOUT SIX, 700, SEVEN YEARS IN CLOCK OUT OF THE MARKET. THOSE TWO EXAMPLES FOR COMPARABILITY. ONE OF THEM HAS SEVEN YEARS OF JOB. WE WERE 6% OF ALL POINTS. SO ABOVE AND BELOW, AND THE OTHER EXAMPLE, NINE AND A HALF YEARS IN DROUGHT, AND ABOUT 5%, THAT'S A TON OF INFORMATION THAT I JUST THREW OUT. AND THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS THAT I WOULD NEED TO TRY AND FORMALIZE SO THAT I CAN EXPLAIN ANY VARIANCES, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME OTHER CITY HAS A LOT MORE INJURY THAN YOURS THERE ISN'T APPROPRIATE. FOR EACH OF YOUR EMPLOYEES, WHICH HISTORICALLY FOR AZA WAS APPARENTLY MERIT, NOT BY THE TIME YOU'VE TAUGHT IN OTHER AGENCIES. THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF MORE SENSITIVITY TO TIME THE JOB, PARTICULARLY IN POLICE AND FIRE WITH THE PRESENCE OF STEP POINTS IN ORDER TO PREVENT COMPRESSION. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS EMPLOYEES TEND TO MOVE WITH STAFF EVERY YEAR. IT MIGHT GO TWO STEPS IN A YEAR. THEY MIGHT GET TO A CERTAIN POINT. AND THEN AFTER WE TWO YEARS AND WE'LL HAVE STAFF AND IT'S ALL VERY TIME IN JOB, WHICH IS A DEPARTURE FROM YOUR METHODOLOGY OF MERIT SENSITIVE AND MUCH MORE IMPORTANT ONE IT'S SENSITIVE. SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REDEFINE THE CULTURE, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY, UH, EITHER TO YOUR QUESTION NEEDS TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH IN AN EFFORT TO NORMALIZE THAT DATA, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I WOULD SAY WE DIDN'T UNDER-REACT OR OVERREACT IN ANYTHING THAT, THAT DATA, SORRY, GO AHEAD. FINISH. THAT'S. THE FIRST POINT IS I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT WHAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY PAID COMPARED TO ACTUALLY COMPARE TO WHAT OTHER COMPANIES ACTUALLY COMPARE. BECAUSE IF YOU USE DATA SET AS THE MARKET TARGET, YOU WOULD BE SETTING THE MIDPOINT FIVE POINTS LOWER IF YOU BASED IT ON WHAT OUR ACTUAL SALARY IS COMPARED TO WHAT WE'VE CALCULATED IS MIDWAY. CAUSE THE MIDPOINT IS PURELY A CALCULATED NUMBER. IT'S WHAT YOU DECIDE TO SHARE HYPOTHETICAL OR YOUR ASPIRATIONAL TARGET. SO I REALLY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND REALLY ENDORSE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT, THAT YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE, BECAUSE THE BOTTOM LINE QUESTION FOR ME IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE PAID, NOT WHAT THE PAY TARGET IS, BUT WHETHER THEY ACTUALLY DO PAY. AND I'M HOPING THAT WE PAY ONE THAT WE PAY 1% ABOVE, NOT THAT WE'VE SET A TARGET THAT'S 1%. SO THAT'S THE FIRST POINT. SO I REALLY AGREE WITH THAT, DOING THAT ADDITIONAL WORK. AND THE SECOND THING THAT I'M INTERESTED IN, AND IF WE GO BACK, THERE WAS A POINT WHERE I THINK WE WERE TOLD THAT WE HAD ACHIEVED OR MARKET POSITION. AND SO I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING SINCE IT WAS 2018, WHAT INCREASES AS HAS GIVEN AND WHAT INCREASES COMPARED TO CITIES AND GIVEN, AND BY THE WAY, BOTH I'M INTERESTED IN THE TOTAL NUMBER AS WELL AS [00:35:01] HOW MUCH THEY MOVED THEM. IT JUST TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS IT THAT WE FELL DOWN, MAYBE WE GAVE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF MERIT AND WE SHOULD'VE MOVED THE MID POINTS MORE BECAUSE IF WE MOVE THE MID POINTS TO LOW OUT OF THE TOTAL INCREASE, THEN IT MEANS WE'RE GOING TO STAY DOWN OUR COMPETITIVE POSITION IF WE'RE USING THAT AS A TARGET. SO I THINK THAT THAT RATIO IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO LOCATE THAT IS FRAMED IN TERMS OF THE SALARY RANGES. IT RANGES ESPECIALLY MORE SO THAN THE ACTUAL, BUT YOU SEE WHERE I'VE HAD PLENTY TO LOOK AT THAT ALSO IF THE OTHER CITIES, AND I'M JUST MAKING THIS UP, I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT THE TOTAL INCREASE THEY GIVEN, YOU KNOW, IT WAS THERE. DID THEY SAY THE INCREASE? THEY GAVE US 5% BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY, THEY DON'T BREAK OUT MIRROR AT ANOTHER. SO I'M INTERESTED IN HOW THAT COMPARES AND JUST WHERE DID WE FALL BEHIND IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE 12 AND A HALF PERCENT BEHIND. SO I LOVE MY, MY MOST SOLID NUMBERS. THAT MUST, AS PART OF YOUR QUESTION IS IT WILL REQUIRE SOME MORE RESEARCH. ON AVERAGE IN THE MARKET. CIVILIAN SALARIES GREW ACTUAL SALARIES YOU HAD IN 20, 24% IN YOUR BUDGET. AND SO YOU MATCHED THE MARKET AVERAGE ON THE POLICE AND FIRE SIDE. YOU BUDGETED THAT SAME 4% MIRROR. WHEREAS THE ACTUAL SALARY ADJUSTMENT WAS SEVEN, WHICH IS A COMBINATION OF STRUCTURED STEPS BEING GIVEN COLD, US BEING GIVEN THE LOANS, ACTUALLY UTILIZE OUTPACED US AS REPORT ON THE POLICE AND FIRE FAST 20. YEAH, YOU HAVE REALLY GOOD DATA FOR AS WELL AS WHAT ACTUALLY OCCURRED. AGAIN, THE THREE THINGS WE'RE COMPARING AVERAGE SHOWERS. SO ACTUALS SECOND, HOW OUR NUMBERS COMPARED IN THE BUDGETS TO OTHER CITIES, I THINK WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO GIVE THEN FOR THE BREAKOUT OF MERIT AND STRUCTURE, ESPECIALLY FOR BEING IN A TIGHT POSITION TO DESTRUCTURE, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE NOT GIVE US THAT 1% INCREASE THREE POINT OF WHICH IS STRUCTURE. IF WE'RE GOING TO THEN SAY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS GAVE 7% AND 6% OF THAT IS STRUCTURE, YOU SEE WHERE I'M HEADED. SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THOSE ARE MY POINTS. I APPRECIATE YOUR OFFER TO DO THE WORK. I'VE GOT A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON EITHER ONE, YOU SAID, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY. ON THE MID POINT, UM, MATT IS THE MID AFTER THE MARKET STUDY IS COMPLETED. WILL OUR MIDPOINT BE ASPIRATIONAL OR WILL BE THE AVERAGE OF OUR COMPETITOR CITIES, 10 POINTS. IT WILL BE THE AVERAGE OF THE ERRORS IN POINTS 1% ONCE JUST PROBABLY ASPIRATIONAL RATHER THAN PLEASING EVERYBODY APP MARKET. PLUS 1%. NOW THAT'S LOADED IN THERE BECAUSE I WILL, I WILL GIVE ANOTHER EXAMPLE. I, TO CLARIFY YOU HAVE TWO NEW ACCOUNTANTS THEY'VE BEEN AT YOUR JOB FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND THEIR ACTUAL SALARIES ARE ABOUT $1,000. THE AVERAGE THAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR AVERAGE ACTUAL ON THE MARKET, SINCE THESE ARE YOUR FOLKS ARE NEW. AND SO I DON'T WANT TO SEE THOSE INDIVIDUALS PAID ALL THE WAY AT YOUR VIEWPOINT UNLESS THEY CAME TO YOU WITH A BUNCH OF EXPERIENCE. SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF TRACKING NOW WITHOUT THE HISTORY OF INTENT TO PAY BASED ON TIME AND JOB, BUT A SENSITIVITY TO THE CONTINUUM OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND WHEN WE ALL ACTUAL SOUNDERS, BECAUSE I WOULD ARGUE, I WOULD ADVOCATE THAT THE RANGES THAT WE'VE ADOPTED ALLOW US A COMPETITIVE MOVE ON THE CONTINUUM IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, DRIVEN BY MIRROR, NOT MY ANECDOTE WOULD BE YOU HAVE NEWER PEOPLE STARTING TO SUSPECT. SO MATT, I HAVE A QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THIS DONE IN 2008 18. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE USE TWO YEARS TO MAKE IT UP TO 1% ABOVE THE MARKET FOR MOST POSITIONS. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN [00:40:01] I'LL BE HON BY SO MUCH. SO IN OTHER WORDS, DOING THOSE TWO YEARS THEN ON THE CITY AND IT INCREASED SO MUCH MORE SO HEAVY C SAID, THEY GO TO QUIZ THE SATURDAY AND THEN, UH, ACCORDING TO THE MEETING OF COMPARABLE CONVERSANCY. SO IT'S ONGOING AND IT'S GOING TO BE A CHASE ALL THE TIME FOR EDISON. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, WE JUST TRY, PLEASE TRY TO KEEP THE MEDIUM SALARY AND ALL THE TIME, EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THIS. SO THEN TWO YEARS FROM NOW, WE ARE GOING TO BE BEHIND BY ANOTHER 8.8%. SO, UH, IT NEVER STOPPED. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, SINCE YOU ARE THE EXPERT IN THIS FIELD, YOU'LL DO THIS FOR SO MANY DIFFERENT CITIES. SO BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHAT YOU LEARNED TO DO. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S A TRACK MEET. THAT'S THE, UH, UM, MY HOPE IS THAT IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT VIRTUAL SOURS SOMEHOW MORE, MY HOPE, BECAUSE I AM ABSOLUTELY SAYING NOR THE LAST TWO YEARS AND 4% IN 2% HAVE BEEN APPLIED TO SALARIES, BUT NOT TO REMAIN. SO MY HOPE IS THAT I'M TELLING YOU NOW THAT WRITTEN KEYS ARE LOW VIGOR, ACTUAL SALARIES ARE ALL RIGHT. SO JUST GOING THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM, THAT A LOT OF MY CLIENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, IS GREAT ON PAPER, BUT MY HOPE IS THAT IF WE DO THAT ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS IMBALANCES SOME OF THIS OUT, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE SPENDING ON MERIT, IT'S OURS AND THAT'S THE REAL, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF LABOR, THAT'S THE REAL WAY TO ENSURE LEARNING. AND WHAT THAT MAY DO FOR US IN THE FUTURE IS A SLIGHT, UM, DISENGAGEMENT BETWEEN PERSON MARKET AND RANGE. YES. I WANT YOU WITH A COMPETITIVE RANGE. BARRETT'S WILLING TO HELP YOU DO THAT, BUT AS IT CREATES SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR US, WE USE IT IN THERE. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO CHANGE MORE IN BUDGET, METHODOLOGY OR MINDSET. YEAH, YEAH. TO IVAN'S POINT, CERTAINLY IT IS, SHOULD BE BUDGETING WARFARE. UM, AND THE CHALLENGE THERE, I THINK IS THAT OUR MARKET-BASED APPROACH IS NOT BLANKETING. WHY, WHEN WE DO THE SALARY SURVEY, IF JOBS ARE COMPETITIVE ON PAPER, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO SEE ON MERIT OPPORTUNITY, BUT THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO RECEIVE MARKET. WHEREAS IT, MY JOB HAS MOVED QUICKLY IN THE MARKET. UH, HOPEFULLY I'M GOING TO SEE BOTH MARKET AND, YOU KNOW, MERIT INCREASES BOTH POLICE AND FIRES, A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT STORE BECAUSE THOSE FOLKS TEND TO MOVE RIGHT ALONG WITH THEIR SCALE AND THEN THEY GET STUCK. AND SO WHEN YOU SEE BIG INVESTMENTS PROVIDED IN STRUCTURE AND IT MAY SOME OF THE STAFF, WHETHER THAT'S EVERY YEAR, YOU'RE ANOTHER YEAR ON THE FIRST GAME. YEAH. NOW WE'VE JUST IDENTIFIED WHAT ELSE? THE SERVE AGENCIES AND IT'S YEAH. IT'S, I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S CATCHING ON BECAUSE TONGUE IN CHEEK, MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE CITY TO, TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN TALENT, BUT I CAN REMEMBER LONG ENOUGH FOR IF YOU LIKE, OR NOT THE OLD, I DON'T KNOW HOW SUSTAINABLE IT IS. AND SO I THINK YOU, YOU TO DECIDE WHERE DO YOU WANT TO BE UP AGAINST THOSE CITIES THAT YOU REPEAT? AND THEN YOU FILL IN THE REST WITH HR FACTS. ARE WE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME FILLING? DO WE HAVE HIGHER TURNOVER? BECAUSE CERTAINLY THERE'S YOUR BUSINESS. THERE WILL BE AT SOME POINT OR ALL, WHETHER IT'S AN UPTICK AND DOWNTURN, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE AN OVERREACTION OR AN UNDERREACT. UM, I DON'T WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR DOING SALARY SURVEY EVERY YEAR. I DON'T FEEL THAT THAT'S NECESSARY. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, MAYBE A CONSIDERATIONS AND STRUCTURE AS PART OF OUR ANNUAL MERIT BUDGET. I THINK THAT ASSURES ACTUALLY [00:45:01] SALARIES ARE GAINING ON MARKET. I WANT TO SEE THEM BEING ON GREEN AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO RAIN JUST TO BE COMPETITIVE. I WANT THEM TO BE APPROPRIATE IN THE ACTUAL SALARIES FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PERFORMING INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, FOR MULTIPLE PERFORMANCE REVIEWS WHERE YOU'VE INVESTED IN TOWN. YEAH. SO I DEFER, I THINK PART OF THE REACTIONARY ARE YOU'LL HAVE TO BE HR STATISTICS AS FAR AS WHERE IS OUR TURNOVER? HOW ARE WE DOING WHEN WE POSTED VACANCY? DO WE HAVE DIFFICULTY FILLING SOME POSITION GLOBALLY? YOU HAVE POLICE OFFICER AS YOUR MERIT BEHIND THAT FIREFIGHTER IS ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING. UH, IT IS FASTER MOVING THAN CIVILIAN, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN CIVILIAN IS NOT REALLY INVOLVED ON THIS ALL. I'LL STOP THERE WHEN YOU TURN THEM INTO, BY THE WAY, MATT, JUST, JUST A COMMENT. IT WAS A QUESTION I'D ASK YOU. UM, DID YOU SAY THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR COMPETITORS THAT IS, DID HE GIVE INCREASES IN 2020, ABSOLUTELY. 2021. NOW THERE ARE AGENCIES THAT ARE WAITING UNTIL ONE ON 20, 21, THE FINAL DECISION FACTORS THAT WOULD BE IN EFFECT BEFORE ONE. SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME BIGGER MOVEMENT. UM, FIRST GO JUST IN A ONE-ON-ONE, UH, FOR THEIR POLICE AND FIRE. UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF GAMESMANSHIP. I'M NOT SAYING CRYSTAL THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, USUALLY YOU CALL IT ABOUT AUGUST AS LATE AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN AGAIN, WE'RE NOT SURE. AND THEN I'LL SIGN SOMETHING DOWN ON WHAT ELSE LINES UP AND DOWN. UM, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T KNOW UNTIL THEY KNOW FOR 2020 I'M DEAL WITH A GREAT DEAL OF CONFIDENCE FOR 2021, THERE ARE SUBSIDIES AND THERE ARE ADJUSTMENTS. THERE ARE SOME SIBLINGS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, , UM, THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ARE MEETING UNTIL THAT MEETING. WAIT, I DON'T WANT IT TO GET OUT THERE BECAUSE WHEN WE STARTED THIS DISCUSSION A FEW MONTHS AGO, I WASN'T SURE IF THEIR MINDSET WAS GOING TO BE, THE INCREASES WERE TO BE GIVEN. I THINK SOME FOLKS THOUGHT OF THE PANDEMIC THAT THINGS WOULD STOP. AND WHAT TELLING US IS THAT ABSOLUTELY NOT CASE ORGANIZATIONS ARE GIVING COMPENSATION, MAKING COMPENSATION ADJUSTMENTS THERE. YEAH. ALAMEDA SPLASH WILL SAY THAT. I DIDN'T SEE ALL OF THIS COMPANY. HEY MATT, THIS IS MARLIN. UM, WAIT, CAN YOU TELL ME, WHEN WAS THE LAST YEAR THAT WE DID A MARKET UPDATE? WAS IT 17 FOR FYI 18 PASSION OR WHAT WAS IT? 18 SEVEN 17, THREE 17 GRADE TEAM KIND OF A YEAR AND A HALF ROLLING, UH, EASY IMPLEMENTATION. RIGHT. AND THEN, UM, ON THIS SLIDE, UH, ON PAGE 20 WHERE YOU YOU'VE GOT A BULLET POINT, SAYS FOCUS, BALANCE MARKET POSITION, AND INTERNAL EQUITY. COULD YOU JUST KIND OF ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? YEAH. THE MARKET POSITION. I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH A GOAL OF THE POS ONE REAL, PROBABLY LAST TWO WORDS THERE I MAY GET ACROSS IS THAT SENSITIVITY TO YOUR LADDERS. UM, THINGS CIVILIAN FOR A MINUTE AND A HALF WHERE WE HAVE OR A WORKER IN SENIOR, AND WE MIGHT BE SENSITIVE TO THE PRESENCE AND MAINTENANCE OF THAT CAREER LADDER SO THAT THERE ARE PROMOTABLE OPPORTUNITIES AND THAT POSITIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, , SO EVERYTHING IS DONE WHERE YES, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF DATA. WE DON'T NECESSARILY SACRIFICE INTERNAL EQUITY TO ACHIEVE THAT. YOU KNOW, ONE FOR ONE FOR ONE ALL THE TIME, YOUR NIECE IS WHERE WE NEED TO GO OFF ONE OR UP OR DOWN ONE. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF ART, I THINK, TO THE APPLICATION IN THAT MARKET SO THAT WE CAN STILL . UM, SO THAT'S ONE, THE OTHER PIECE AS YOU APPLY IT TO POLICE AND FIRE, UM, ON THE SUMMARY CHART, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE WERE, MIGHT'VE BEEN FARTHER BEHIND FOR ENTRY THAN FOR TOP OUT OR FARTHER BEHIND FOR TOP OUT THAN ENTRY. THE CHALLENGE THERE IS BEING CAREFUL AGAIN ABOUT PROMOTION YEAH. TO ENSURE WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE A LOT OF OVERLAP BETWEEN THE TOP OF A POLICE OFFICER WITH AUTONOMOUS . [00:50:02] SO IT'S JUST A FULL AWARENESS OF A, NOT APPLYING A BLANKET PERCENTAGE TO EVERYTHING, AND ALSO BEING CAUTIOUS AROUND THE HOUSE. THAT'S BEEN BUILT ON CLASSIFICATION ON JOBS, STRETCHING STANDPOINT, CAREER LADDERS, PROMOTABLE MEATS, AND THINGS. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THAT MAYOR, WE WANTED MAYOR COUNCIL, WE WANTED TO WALK THROUGH THE ASSOCIATED COSTS WITH YOU. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TURN OVER THE DETAILS OF IT TO STEVEN, TO TALK ABOUT THE LONG RANGE FINANCIAL PLAN. BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE OUTLINED THE VARIOUS JOB FAMILY COSTS. SO WE HAVE THE CIVILIAN ANNUAL COSTS AND 500 AND ALMOST 95,000 POLICE ESTIMATED OVER 602,000 FAR, 383 FOR A TOTAL ANNUAL COSTS OF $1.5 MILLION. NOW STEVEN HAS HELPED AND TAKEN A LOOK AT THIS AS A FISCAL YEAR NUMBER, WHICH IS 1.1 MILLION. AND HE'S ISOLATED THE MARKET ADJUSTMENT FOR ALL EMPLOYEES, WHICH WOULD BE 773,000. AND THEN THE MERIT ASSOCIATED WITH 349. SO THE FISCAL YEAR 2021 MERIT BUDGET WAS 512,000. SO THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS NEEDED FOR 2021. AND SO STEVEN HAS, UH, PREPARED A COUPLE OF SLIDES THAT HE CAN WALK AROUND THIS GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, STEVEN GLICKMAN AND CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, UH, AS PASSION SAID, UH, WE HAVE LOOKED AT BOTH THE MARKET, UH, ADJUSTMENT THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED AS WELL AS THE MERIT ADJUSTMENT, UH, AND THE MERIT POOL THAT WAS BUDGETED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021, THAT WE BUDGETED $512,000 FOR THAT, UH, THAT WAS ASSUMING A FULL YEAR OF, OF MERIT ADJUSTMENT, UH, BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST. UM, HOWEVER, WITH THE DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL BACK IN AUGUST TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT THIS AGAIN, UH, AND DUE TO THE TIMING, THERE WOULD BE SOME SAVINGS RELATED TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE MERIT, UH, EFFECTIVE, UH, WHENEVER COUNCIL WOULD TAKE ACTION AND THAT SAVING IS PROPOSED TO BE APPLIED TO THE MARKET ADJUSTMENT TO REDUCE THAT. SO THE FIRST SET OF NUMBERS THERE IS THE GENERAL FUND COMPENSATION IMPACT. ALL OF THESE NUMBERS INCLUDE BENEFITS OF THE BENEFITS ASSOCIATED WITH THESE NUMBERS ARE OUR RETIREMENT COSTS AND, UH, UH, MEDICARE TAX. UH, SO THE MERIT INCREASE IMPACT THERE. UH, WE SHOW A NEGATIVE HUNDRED AND 30 $738,000. THOSE ARE SAVINGS FROM WHAT WE BUDGETED TO, WHAT IT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED RIGHT NOW. UH, THE IMPACT OF THE MARKET ADJUSTMENT FOR THE GENERAL FUND IS JUST UNDER 690,000. UH, THOSE TWO NUMBERS COMBINED, UH, CREATE A NEED, UH, $551,937 WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. UH, SALES TAX IS TRENDING VERY FAVORABLY COMPARED TO WHAT WE NEEDED. UH, WHAT WE ANTICIPATE IS SALES TAX MIXED BEVERAGE TAX, UH, JUST ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS IN EXCESS OF WHAT WE BUDGETED. SO WE WOULD, UH, TO COVER THIS, THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO INCREASE OUR SALES TAX BUDGET BY $550,000. THE IMPACT OF THE COMPENSATION ADJUSTMENT, UH, RIGHT BELOW THAT $551,000 IS IT APPLIES TO ALL OF OUR FUNDS BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER FUNDS, NOT JUST THE GENERAL FUND, THE GENERAL FUND, HOWEVER, BEING THE BIGGEST PART AT $690,000, YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACT THERE TO THE HOTEL FUND, UH, AIRPORT FUND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND, UH, THE STORMWATER FUND. UH, WE HAVE, UH, ONE PERSON THAT'S FUNDED FROM OUR DEBT ISSUANCES AND THEN OUR UTILITY FUND. AND THAT BRINGS THE TOTAL TO $773,802. UH, THAT IS A FISCAL YEAR, 2021 COST. UH, SO IF EVERYTHING WAS IMPLEMENTED THAT WHEN COUNCIL TOOK ACTION, THERE WOULD BE THAT COST THROUGH THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. AND THEN FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A FULL YEAR OF IMPLEMENTATION. THERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL COST THAT WOULD ALREADY BE PROGRAMMED INTO A BUDGET. SO THAT IMPACT WOULD BE $343,915. NOW THE MAJORITY OF THAT AGAIN IS GOING TO THE GENERAL FUND 300, $6,627. AND THEN FOR THE GENERAL FUND, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, AN ASSUMPTION OF A MERIT INCREASE. AND FOR, FOR THIS, UH, THIS SECTION HERE, I PUT WHAT WE CAN BASICALLY AFFORD [00:55:01] AND FIT INTO OUR LONGTERM FINANCIAL MODEL, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022, UH, PROGRAM A 1% MERIT AND THEN 2% AFTER THAT. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE HOW THAT IMPACTS THE LONGTERM FINANCIAL MODEL, UH, IN A SLIGHT FUND QUESTION. OKAY. SO IT'D BE A LONG-TERM PLANNING MODEL ASSUMPTIONS USED TO GENERATE THIS DATA FOR PROPERTY TAXES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022. THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE WOULD, WHICH IS THE RATE THAT WOULD GENERATE THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY GENERATING IN THE, IN THIS FISCAL YEAR BUDGET. AND THEN $80 MILLION IN NEW PROPERTIES ARE ESTIMATED TO BE ADDED TO THE TAX ROLL. AND THAT WOULD KEEP OUR REVENUE BASICALLY FLAT WITH A SLIGHT INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES DUE TO THE NEW PROPERTIES, FISCAL YEAR 2023 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2030, WE ANTICIPATE AT 3.5% GROWTH IN TAXABLE PROPERTY VALUES. JUST, JUST TO NOTE THE, THE VALUES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022 ARE THE VALUES AS OF JANUARY 1ST, 2021, UH, THE CURRENT CALENDAR YEAR THERE WE'RE IN THAT'S THAT'S THE YEAR THAT'S GOING TO BE MEASURED TO DETERMINE THE VALUES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023. SO AS THE CONTINUES, THE WAY IT'S GOING NOW THAT 3.5% COULD BE SOMETHING, UH, EITHER LESS THAN THAT, OR, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, THESE ARE NUMBERS THAT ARE ESTIMATES, BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT DEPENDS ON WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE PANDEMIC OF THE ECONOMY. UH, IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS THROUGHOUT THIS, UH, SALES TAX THAT WE ANTICIPATE FISCAL YEAR 2022 THROUGH 2030 3% GROWTH IN COLLECTIONS. AGAIN, THOSE HAVE TRENDED FAVORABLY COMPARED TO THE BUDGET SO FAR THIS YEAR, ALCOHOL ALCOHOLIC, BEVERAGE TAXES, AGAIN, 3% GROWTH IN COLLECTIONS AT FISCAL YEAR 2022 TO 2030 LICENSE AND PERMIT FEES. THOSE, UH, TEND TO GROW IN LINE WITH INFLATION POPULATION GROWTH. SO THAT'S THE ASSUMPTION THERE. UH, AS I MENTIONED ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE PERSONNEL COSTS A 1% MERIT PAY INCREASE. UH, AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID WITH THE FISCAL YEAR 2021 BUDGET WAS REALLOCATE SOME ADMINISTRATIVE POSITIONS THAT ARE PROVIDING SUPPORT TO OTHER FUNDS. UH, WE'VE IDENTIFIED SUBSTANTIAL FUNDS THAT CAN BE ALLOCATED TO OTHER FUNDS AS WELL THIS YEAR, AND ANTICIPATE THAT TO BE AROUND $300 THAT PRO PROPOSING THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET TO BE ALLOCATED OTHER FUNDS FROM THE GENERAL FUND. AND THEN IN FISCAL YEAR 2023, THROUGH 2030, A 2% MERIT INCREASE IS PROGRAM A HEALTH BENEFITS. A 5% INCREASE IS WHAT IS PROGRAM, AND THEN OUR OTHER OPERATING COSTS AT THIS YEAR 2022, WE ANTICIPATE THOSE REMAINING FLAT, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ADDISON CIRCLE PARK MAINTENANCE. IF YOU RECALL, THIS WAS DISCUSSED BACK IN OCTOBER, UH, WITH THE HOTEL FUND AND ITS FINANCIAL CONDITION, UH, THIS MAINTENANCE PIECE, GOING BACK TO THE, HER GOING TO THE GENERAL FUND. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE PROGRAMMED HERE AS WELL, WHICH IS ABOUT A $200,000 COST. AND THEN THIS YEAR, 2023 THROUGH 2030, UH, JUST GROWTH IN LINE WITH, UH, WITH INFLATION AND POPULATION GROWTH, STEVEN. YES, SIR. GIVEN WHAT WE'VE JUST LEARNED ABOUT HOW MUCH MERIT PAY IS LIKE UP UNEXPECTEDLY, DO YOU THINK FOR FISCAL YEAR 20, 22, 1% IS TOO LOW AND THE SAME THING LOOKING FORWARD, BECAUSE AFTER ALL, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT UNDER ESTIMATING. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND, AND, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT ON, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, I BASICALLY PUT IN WHAT WE CAN AFFORD. SO, SO IF THERE'S, UH, THE APPETITE FOR, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, IT WOULD REQUIRE A TAX INCREASE, BASICALLY IF THERE WERE SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED MORE, MORE THAN THE 1% MORE THAN THE 2% SENSITIVITY. YEAH. WHAT WE CAN AFFORD, GIVE THEM NO CHANGES TO BE MORE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. AND TH THIS KIND OF SHOWS WHY I PUT THOSE NUMBERS, THOSE PERCENTAGES IN THERE, THE WAY THEY ARE. SO FISCAL YEAR 2021, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ESTIMATE ASSUMING THAT, UH, THE MARKET STUDY WAS ADOPTED, UH, ALONG WITH THE MIRACLE OF 2%, IF WE INCREASED OUR REVENUES AND SALES TAX BY $550,000, WE COULD ABSORB THOSE ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURES RELATED TO THE MARKET STUDY. AND WE WOULD STILL HAVE A BUDGET JUST ABOUT JUST UNDER $20,000, UH, POSITIVE, [01:00:01] UH, WHEN, WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD TO 2022, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT 1% MERIT INCREASE YIELDS, UH, JUST ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS. SO RAZOR THIN, UH, IN 2022. AND THAT THAT'S ONLY INCLUDING THAT 1% MERIT INCREASE. NOW THAT'S KEEPING THE NONI REVENUE RATE AND JUST ADDITIONAL REVENUE FROM NEW PROPERTIES BEING ADDED TO THE TAX. AND THEN FISCAL YEAR IS 2023, 2024 AND 2025. THOSE HAVE 2% PROGRAM. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S FAIRLY CLOSE WHERE WE COULDN'T. 1% IS A LITTLE BIT OVER, AROUND 215, $220,000 FOR THOSE YEARS. SO ADDING AN ADDITIONAL PERCENT WOULD, WOULD TAKE US IN THE RED FOR THOSE YEARS. THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING A QUARTER PERCENT, A HALF A PERCENT, BUT THE IDEA HERE WAS TO FIT IN AND WHAT WE COULD AFFORD GIVEN THAT WAS ASSUMPTIONS THAT WOULD PROCEED. AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE OUR FUND BALANCE. I REMAINED RELATIVELY STABLE THROUGHOUT, AND THEN THE FUND BOUGHT FUND BALANCE AT A MINIMUM IN THE END. AND THE OVERLOAD UNDER MINIMUM, UH, GOES DOWN SLIGHTLY. BUT, UH, THAT, THAT GOES IN LINE WITH THE INCREASE IN EXPENDITURES THAT, THAT PERCENTAGE AMOUNT YOU'LL TAKE LARGER FUND BALANCE REQUIRED AS YOUR EXPENDITURES. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS MODEL? LET ME GET IT BACK ON THE OTHER SIDE, WAS THE INCREASE IN THE GENERAL FUND AND THE PROPERTY HARRIS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022. IT WAS THE ASSUMPTION OF NO NEW REVENUE. SO THE SAME REVENUE WOULD BE GENERATED EXCEPT FOR $80 MILLION IN NEW PROPERTIES, ATTITUDE, AND THEN GOING FORWARD 2023 THROUGH THE END OF, UH, END OF THE PLANNING MODEL, A 3.5% INCREASE. SO YOU WANT TO EXPAND THIS EDISON GROUP. IT'S NOT ALL THAT BASICALLY THAT THERE'S A MAJOR ADDITION, RIGHT? SO RIGHT. IT'S BASED ON, UH, PERMITTING SUBJECTIVE CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY THAT WE KNOW THAT HAPPENED, UH, IN CALENDAR YEAR 2020. SO THIS IS THE LONG-TERM PLANNING MODEL, GRAPHICALLY, THE SAME INFORMATION. THIS DOES EXTEND OUT THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2030. UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT IDEALLY YOU WANT THOSE TWO LINES TO GO TOGETHER AND THEY DO. UH, NOW THAT DOES ASSUME AGAIN, THAT 2% MERIT INCREASE THROUGHOUT THIS MODEL, A 3.5% INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUES THROUGHOUT THIS MODEL. AND THE OTHER MAJOR COMPONENTS ARE THE SALES TAX ABOUT A 3% INCREASE IN SALES TAX, A 5% INCREASE IN HEALTH INSURANCE BENEFITS THROUGHOUT THIS. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS SLIDE, IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED SO FAR, I THINK NOW'S A GOOD TIME TO START ASKING HIM NOT TO WAIT TO DISCUSS FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS UNTIL THE END OF THOSE. SO TELL ME ABOUT COMPRESSION COMPRESSION WITHIN I'VE HEARD THAT TERM MENTIONED COMPRESSION, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. CAN YOU KIND OF BREAK THAT DOWN? OKAY. SO THE QUESTION FROM CONTINENTAL WAS YOU HAD TO DEAL WITH COMPRESSION. SO IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT, AND I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOU, EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS. YEAH. JUST KINDA THE CURVE MOST COMMONLY WITHIN IN JOB. SO THE MORE COMMON DEFINITION MINE, I HAVE 10 POLICE OFFICERS, AND THEY'RE ALL PAID MAYBE RIGHT AT THE MINIMUM. ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN TOPPLED FOR FOUR YEARS AND LAST NAME, EXTREME EXAMPLE, BUT PEOPLE WITH VARYING LEVELS OF MERIT OR PERFORMANCE OR TIME OF JOB ALL PAINTED THE SAME ROOM. IT CAN ALSO OCCUR IN THE ANALYSIS BETWEEN PROMOTIONAL JOB CLASSES. [01:05:01] SO APPROPRIATELY, THERE COULD BE SOME IMPRESSION, UM, BETWEEN ME AND MY SUPERVISOR OR AS A SUPERVISOR THAT CAN ALSO OCCUR IN PUBLIC SAFETY A LITTLE BIT. UM, CERTAINLY, BUT WHERE WE HAVE MULTIPLE INCUMBENTS AND OR WHERE WE HAVE LOCAL MAINTENANCE. SO IS, UH, IN A, IN A STEP PLAN MODEL THAT IS COMPRESSION ISSUES OF THE DAY EXACERBATED. ARE THEY, WHERE ARE THEY LESS LIKELY TO HAPPEN RELATIVE TO A MERIT-BASED PLAN, IF YOU FOLLOW STEPS AND PROVIDE STEPS ON YOUR ANNIVERSARY DATES AND YOU'RE YOU LEAVING IN COMPRESSION. UM, HOWEVER, IF YOU CAN'T FUND THOSE STEPS, PROGRESSION IS LIKELY TO OCCUR IN TOWN OF ACID HAS DONE AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB, REGARDLESS OF STRUCTURE DESIGN FIRM, AVOIDING SOME OF THE COMPRESSION THAT CAN OCCUR THROUGH SOMEBODY LIKE ME COMING ALONG IN THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE IT TENDS TO , UM, IT'S A MIXED BAG OF A MARKET WHERE YOU MIGHT MOVE RANGE 10%. SO I'LL JUST MOVE YOU TO THE MINIMUM. I WANT TO GIVE YOU HALF OF WHAT YOU NEED. I CAN ALSO CAUSE COMPRESSION BY LOOKING AT THE RANGE , AS IT WAS AVOIDED THAT BY ATTEMPTING TO ADJUST SALARIES BY THE SAME AMOUNT AS THE RATE IS ADJUSTED WHENEVER MARKET ADJUSTMENTS. SO IS IT YOUR OPINION BASED UPON YOUR ANALYSIS THAT WE HAVE COMPRESSION CHALLENGES, PARTICULARLY PUBLIC SAFETY OR, OR WE DON'T? I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT IT IN THAT LIGHT BECAUSE OF THE PRESENCE OF A MERIT-BASED PERFORMANCE-BASED SALARY, JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE OF NEW STAR PERFORMER MIGHT MOVE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER THAN AGAIN, LONGER TENURE AVERAGE PERFORMANCE. NOW, EVERYBODY THAT I'VE MET AN FAR BELOW THAT, AND THAT CHANCE TO DO EVERYTHING FROM DESK AUDITS, TO FOCUS GROUPS, TO A LOT OF COUNCIL LEADERSHIP AND STAFF SATCHEL RIGHT ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT IT'S NOT TENURE BASED, RIGHT? HOW YOU MOVE SALARIES IS NOT MEETING YOUR NEEDS. SO THERE'S NOT PERFECT PATTERN WHERE I EXPECT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE THREE-YEAR AND FIVE-YEAR, IT EXISTS CERTAINLY BY BEING AROUND A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN MY COWORKER. AND WHO'VE BEEN ELIGIBLE FOR A FEW MORE MERIT CYCLES. THOSE SALARIES SHOULDN'T BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN A NEWER HIRE, BUT THEY'RE NOT LOCKED STEP. LIKE THEY MIGHT BE VERY PREDICTABLE. PLEASE NOTE, TAKE A PLANE WITH THE LEASE OFFICE. THEY RECEIVE A STEP ADJUSTMENT, SIX MONTHS, 12 MONTHS, SOMETIMES 24 MONTHS, 30 STEPS. AND AGAIN, ASK FOR EIGHT MONTHS AND SUDDENLY THEY'VE ACHIEVED 97% OF THE FIND YOUR FIVE. THEY DO THAT SO THAT THEY CAN'T LEAVE AND GO TO THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN, ALAN SCANDAL THAT THEY KNOW FULL WELL, THEY NEED POINTED OUT. THEY HAVE TO KNOW THE BOTTOM STEP OR SOMEBODY ELSE. SO, SO IF, IF I WAS A POLICE OFFICER AND I HAD EIGHT YEARS EXPERIENCE, YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT IF I MOVED AND WANTED TO GO TO ALLEN, I HAVE TO START OFF AS AN ENTRY LEVEL POLICE OFFICER KNOCKING ME IN IT. I WOULDN'T, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE COMPENSATED AS A SEVEN OR A YEAR POLICE OFFICER. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME? BECAUSE ALAN HAS A LATERAL PROGRAM, THE NAME, THEY HAVE SOME PERCENT STEPS, 14 STEPS. UH, THEY TEND TO MOVE PEOPLE INTO ONE STEP, TWO STEP. UM, BUT THERE IS A SENSITIVITY IN SOME CITIES ARE CIVIL SERVICE. SOME ARE OFF CARROLLTON. IS THERE ONLY ONE TO BRING SOMEBODY IN AT THE BOTTOM UNLESS THEY HAVE A REVISE TO THEIR AGREEMENT WITH CALL THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR A LATIN. OKAY. [01:10:01] SO LET'S TALK ABOUT COMPARED TO CITIES. WHAT, WHAT'S THE REALITY? I MEAN, IF, IF, IF THAT WOULD HAVE SOME POLICE OFFICER I'M MAKING BELOW THE BIG POINT AND I'M FIVE, SIX YEARS IN MY CAREER AND I GO TO FRISCO OR I GO TO PLANO AND I GET GOOD AT THE BOTTOM, AM I GOING TO GO IN OR WANT TO GET $10,000 GRADES? OR WHAT, WHAT'S THE REALITY HERE? WELL, IF I'M BELOW YOUR MIDPOINT, I COULD GO TO THE BOTTOM OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S RANKING QUIETER. THAT'S THE REALITY. IF YOU HAVE PLAINTIFF STARTS THEIR POLICE OFFICER, $10,000 HIGHER, AND ALLEN NOW $15,000 HIGHER, UM, THE REALITY IS YOUR THREE TO FIVE-YEAR OFFICERS. WELL, SO, OKAY. I GUESS, LET ME RESTATE THE QUESTION. I'M REALLY MORE, UM, I FULLY REALIZE OUR PEOPLE. UM, MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE, THE STRUCTURE AND, AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE REALITY OF THE BEING CONSISTENT PLAN AND THE ABILITY FOR SOMEONE WHO'S NOT UPSTAIRS TO, UH, BUT HAS EQUIVALENT EXPERIENCE THAT WOULD PUT HIM INTO A HURRY INTO TWO OR THREE SEPARATES. PERHAPS THERE WERE SEPARATE CASES AND THEREFORE WE'LL BE AT SOMETHING OTHER THAN A ENTRY POINT FOR A SWORN OFFICER POSITION. UM, AND YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FOOD, BE REAL CLEAR THAT THAT RFID, WHERE YOUR FIVE-YEAR OFFICER CAN GO TO SOMEPLACE ELSE AND NOT START AT THE BOTTOM OR, OR THEY CAN'T, OR THEY, OR THEY DO HAVE, SORRY, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I'M REAL CLEAR ON THAT. AND I'VE STRUGGLED WITH THAT. SORRY. YEAH, IT DEFINITELY VARIES FROM CITY TO CITY WHO HAS A LATERAL PROGRAM AND WHO IS NOT A CIVIL SERVICE. I DON'T BELIEVE VERY MANY AND HIGHER ABOUT STAFF. ONE STEP DISTANCE IS PROBABLY ALSO GERMANE TO THIS CONVERSATION, ALAN, THEY'RE 2% STEPS AND, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST SEVERAL STEPS ARE MORE THAN HALF, 5%. THEY GET REALLY, REALLY AGGRESSIVE THOSE FIRST THREE TO FIVE YEARS IN, UM, IN ORDER TO SUBMIT, YOU KNOW, INTERN LEVEL PEOPLE AT A PRETTY COMPETITIVE, ACTUAL SALARY. AND THAT'S WHERE IT HISTORICALLY, YOU KNOW, ADDISON HAS BROUGHT CONCERN, I THINK, TO ACTUAL SALARY INDIVIDUAL. BUT THE ANSWER IS, IT VARIES FROM CITY TO CITY WELL, SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH, AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO FLESH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT FOR COMPLETING SOMETHING. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPETITIVE NATURE OF THE CITIES WE COMPARE OURSELVES TO AND HOW MANY OF THOSE CAN SOAR OFFICER AND NOT BE SUBJECT TO HAVING TO GO IN AND PLAY LESS OR MORE COMPARATIVE, UH, LEVEL BASED UPON, AND THEN, AND THEN GET THE MANAGEMENT STEP PLAN. SO COULD YOU FLESH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT? YES. OKAY. SO LET ME, UH, MAYBE ASK, UH, WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR ANALYSIS TELL YOU SINCE WE'VE BEEN ON THIS STEP? I MEAN, THIS A MIRROR PLAYING FOOTBALL FIVE YEARS OR SO FIVE YEARS, 13 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE OPENED MINE. OKAY. SO WE HAVEN'T BEEN ON A LEASE APART, NOT THE OUTSET PLAN, THEY WERE ON THE STEP PLAN PREVIOUSLY, BUT IT PREDATES ME, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE 15 TO 18 YEARS AGO. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SO, UM, MATT, I'M CURIOUS AS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR MIRA PLAN THAT A MANAGER THAT IS THAT, BUT NEW INFORMATION, UH, MERIT STARTED OUR AIR PROGRAM STARTED IN 1980, 1995 LANE. SO, UM, THE, THE, UH, AN ADVANTAGE OF THIS, IF I GET MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT [01:15:02] THE EMPLOYEE IS THE MASTER OF THEIR OWN DESTINY DESTINY HERE. THEY CAN PERFORM BETTER THAN THEIR PEERS AND BE REWARDED FOR THAT. AND THEN, UH, EXPERIENCE THE FINANCIAL REWARDS OF, UH, MERIT INCREASES, UH, INEQUITABLY RELATIVE TO THEIR PEERS VERSUS THE STEP LANGUAGE, UH, STRICTLY IS BASED UPON THEIR SIX MONTHS, 12 MONTHS, 18 MONTHS, ET CETERA. IS THAT A FAIR UNDERSTANDING THAT YEAH. AND THEN EVEN THE LEVEL OF MIRROR? YES. OKAY. SO HOW FAST ARE, UH, A FOCUS ON PUBLIC SAFETY? UH, UH, A, UH, HOW FAST OUR, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS ABLE, OR WHAT'S THE REALITY OF THEM MOVING THROUGH THEIR PAY RANGE RELATIVE TO, UH, THE SET RATES OF, UH, MOVING THROUGH YOUR PAY RANGE? SINCE YOU'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THROUGH, UH, THROUGH THE STEP PLAN, UH, WE WERE MOVING THROUGH FASTER, UH, SLOWER. UM, I MEAN, WE HAVE, I'M LOOKING FOR SOME METRICS HERE TO UNDERSTAND THE REALITY OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WE SAY THIS, BUT IS THAT REALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING? YEAH. IN 2020, I CAN SPEAK TO ELIGIBLE FOR ANY ACTUAL REALIZED INCREASE OR . SO YOU GAVE UP ALMOST 4% ON THE MARKET, JUST IN 2021. CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT PLEASE? CAUSE YOU'RE TALKING, ARE YOU, ARE YOU ALSO INCLUDING MARKET MOVEMENT OR ARE YOU JUST TALKING ABOUT JUST AN ABSOLUTE FULL ON AN ACTUAL SALARY? SO THE AVERAGE ACTUAL POLICE OFFICER IN THE MARKETS SAW AN ALMOST 8% ADJUSTMENT WE INFORM THEIR BUDGET WAS FOR THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY MIDDLE MARKET, RIGHT? SO, SO, SO THEY COULD'VE MOVED THE MARK, THEY COULD'VE MOVED THEIR POSITIONS, THE RAGES, ET CETERA, BECAUSE OF THE MARKET AND INCLUDED STEP INCREASES AT THE SAME TIME TO GET THAT. THEY SAID THAT THAT'S HOW THAT NUMBER GROWS. SO MATT, WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE OUR REGION AS BEING HYPER COMPETITIVE? IT FEELS, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE. IN 2018, WE HAD A GOOD FEELING THAT WE WERE, WE WERE, WE WERE GETTING THERE AND WE WERE, WE THOUGHT WE WERE DOING QUITE WELL. AND NOW WE WAKE UP AND, YOU KNOW, 20, 21. AND IT SEEMS THAT OUR COMPETITORS HAVE MOVED VERY QUICKLY. I WOULD SAY SINCE THAT TIME, THIS OFFICER, THAT NO PART OF ME IS CONSTANTLY SAYING WEAPONS HERE. UM, PART OF THAT IS A SIMPLE SUPPLYING AND DISCUSSION AS WELL. EVERYONE'S STOPPED ATTEMPTING STONER POLICE OFFICERS NOW, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW EITHER THERE'S A TON OF THEM GOING INTO THAT AS A PROFESSION, YOU SEE THE WEAKNESS, BUT THERE'S ALSO A MARKET IN THE MIDDLE MARKET, ALLEN FRISCO, INTERIM AT THE TOP FLOOR, TRY TO ALL BE NUMBER ONE TO MOVE INTO AND SELLERS AND VERY CLOSED WITHIN THAT ERA. ONE MOST IN THE ORIGINAL ONE. SO IT'S YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY I'M ASSUMING THE EDITOR IS SMART TO HAVE THIS LINEUP, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SUSTAINABILITY OR COMPARISON SETTINGS BY, I MEAN, I, BECAUSE OF THE NUMBERS WE STARTED TO SEE AS PART OF THE LOOKING IN LATE NOVEMBER, EARLY DECEMBER AT ALL OF THE CITIES ACROSS THE NATION, AND IT'S NOT ISOLATED TO NOW THESE CONVEYOR CITIES THEMSELVES, I WOULD PUT PROBABLY CLOSER TO THE 60TH PERCENTILE IN THE 65TH PERCENT OF MILE ACROSS THE ENTIRE METRO BOX. AND THEY DON'T ALL USE ONE ANOTHER FOR COMPARISON. THEY DON'T ALL USE FOR COMPARISON. SO YOU CAN SUBSTITUTE OUT YOUR ONE OR TWO, BUT IT IS TURNING OUT TO BE A VERY EXPENSIVE BUSINESS TO UNION. YEAH. AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THESE ARE NOT EARNED WAGES EARNED, BUT THEY ARE GROWING [01:20:01] AT FASTER RATES THAN ONE SERVING. SO, SO THAT THEY DID IN YOUR ANALYSIS, ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS ARE SHOWING THAT THEIR ABILITY TO MOVE THROUGH THE RANGE IS COMPARABLE OR IT CAN MOVE THROUGH THE RANGE FASTER AND IN THE RANGE MAIN STEP PLAN WITHOUT ERROR BASED PLAN? IS, IS THAT THE REALITY OR THE REALITY ORDINARY DATA THAT I HAVE ABOUT $12,000 IN THOSE STEP PLANS? YOUR AVERAGE OFFICER'S EARNING JUST UNDER 73 K THE AVERAGE OUT IN THE MARKETPLACE ACROSS THESE CITIES IS ABOUT EIGHT. PRE-K WHAT HAVING TO ACTUALLY JUST ON SOME OF THE PRELIMINARY DATA THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GATHER SINCE VISITING. SO IN FACT, IT IS THE BIGGER, THE MORE LUCRATIVE . SO NOW WE HAVE EXTENT PLAN PUTS US AT A COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE THAT YOUR CONCLUSION PURE DATA. YES. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ATTRACTING A BETTER OFFICER. WHO'S MORE INTERESTED IN EARNING STORE BASED ON HIS OWN PERFORMANCE. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THAT THERE ARE CERTAINLY OTHER COMPONENTS THAT ARE NOT JUST PAYING FOR IT AND THE IMPORTANCE AND THAT TENDS TO ATTRACT AND ROUTINE. UM, YOU KNOW, THESE FOLKS, THERE COULD BE OTHER UNKNOWNS AND TOTAL COMPENSATION CAN BE LIFESTYLE CHOICES. THERE COULD BE ALL, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ALL KINDS OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT ATTRACT YOU TO YOU NOT JUST PAY, WE HAVEN'T FOCUSED GROUP, YOU KNOW, FOR A LITTLE WHILE OUT IN FRONT OF YOU, PASSION FOR LIFE EXPERIENCES, WITH INTERACTING, WITH DEAL WITH WORKFORCE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, CLOSELY OR CERTAINLY MULTIPLES PURE NUMBERS. YES. OKAY. SO, SO ON, I'M JUST LOOKING AT SALARY, WE'RE AT A DISADVANTAGE FROM THAT MISSTEP LINE, RIGHT. I WANT TO COMMENT THERE ON THE FLOOR, JUST THE FUNDING THAT I THINK YOU COULD ACHIEVE THE SAME THING. JUST GIVE TOO MUCH, YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE BACK TO THE SALARIES. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, TALK TO ME ABOUT HOW, HOW WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT DEFICIENCY. SURE. SO IF YOU TOOK THE AVERAGE MARKET ADJUSTMENT AND THE AVERAGE STEP ADJUSTMENT, COMBINED THOSE TWO MARKET ADJUSTMENT STRUCTURE AS MOVING THE MARKET AND JUST TAKING 2020, THAT'S ONLY AROUND IT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT COMBINATION OF, YOU KNOW, MOVING THE RANGE AND THE PERSON IN THEIR SET ELIGIBLE, YOU END UP WITH MARKET PLUS STAFF OR COLA PLUS STAFF IN GENERAL PLUS STAFF. THAT'S THE NUMBER OF LOCK-INS THAT SAID SEVEN AND SEVEN AND A HALF PERCENT UP AGAINST HER, WAS IN THERE. AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THERE IS AN ELEMENT MISSING. THERE, THERE IS ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE TO COME DOWN TO FUNDING AND SUSTAINABILITY, BUT JUST USING ONE YEAR IT'S SO HIGH, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT IT'S PRETTY TELLING ME, OH, HOW DOES THE APP GOT FOR ME? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOOD. 40% OF IT. IT WAS JUST IN ONE. OKAY. SO IN THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'VE JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE, ARE WE ADDRESSING THAT WE ARE COMBINING BARONY MARKET IN ALL OF THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SAW TO ARRIVE AT AN ADJUSTMENT TO ACTUAL SALARIES THAT REFLECT IN A MIRROR. SO, OKAY. SORRY, I'M BEING DENSE HERE. UM, I WAS LOOKING FOR MORE OF A YES OR NO ANSWER, UM, AND YOU'RE GIVING ME A LOT OF OTHER, OTHER SORTS OF THINGS. CAN YOU KIND OF OFFICERS MOVING 10%, 10%, THEIR ACTUAL SALARIES IN THIS PROPOSAL? OKAY. SO I GUESS WE'LL KEEP, YOU CAN KEEP GOING ON THIS, THAT I WANT TO ADDRESS, UM, WHAT I'M PERCEIVED TO BE A EFFICIENCY AND, UM, THAT, UH, THAT WERE ADDRESSED. AND, AND IF YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT, UH, WE'RE DOING THAT IN THIS PLAN, THEN I'LL FEEL BETTER ABOUT THIS. [01:25:01] UH, AND, AND EVEN NOT COMMENT FURTHER ON THE NEED TO FIND THIS, I GUESS I GET THAT EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING IS DEPENDENT ON FUNDING. SO LET'S SET THAT SIDE, BUT, UM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I CLEARED THAT, WHICH TELLS ME HERE IS THAT WITH THE FUNDING THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO PROVIDE IS GOING TO, UH, UH, DEAL WITH THE SITUATION COMPARING THERE VERSUS SO I'LL TAKE THE ANSWER TO ANYBODY. I THINK THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO COMPARE AN APPLE AND ORANGE. OKAY, WELL, SO IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ORANGES, LET'S TALK ABOUT ORANGES AT ALL. I PRECEDENT, WAIT A MINUTE. OKAY. YOU WANT TO ANSWER, I CAN GIVE YOU SOME ANSWER. NUMBER ONE, APPARENTLY BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING IS 2020 IS A VERY SPECIAL YEAR. SO, UH, UH, OTHER STATES, OTHER CITIES, YOU KNOW, I MEAN ALL THE STATE MORE RIGHTS. SO IN OTHER WORDS, A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE DISCOVERED TO BE POLICE OFFICERS. SO THAT'S THE REASON, UH, THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND, MATT TOUCH OUT MEANS WAY UP FEEL POLICE OFFICERS WANT TO BE RESOLVED. SO IT TRIGGERS, UH, SUBTLY, ESPECIALLY TO THE, UH, LONDON, UH, CITIES, SUCH AS THE PANEL, FRISCO, MCKINNEY, ELLEN LEWISVILLE. YOU WON'T GROW ANY FASTER THAN ON THE CT BECAUSE THEY HAVE LOVED ONE LAND. SO IT WAS VERY APPARENT IN ONE YEAR, THE SALARY FOR EVERY PLACE OVER THERE WHEN NOT TO ALMOST SEVEN TO 8%, JUST IN ONE YEAR. SO I DON'T REALLY ACTUALLY THINK WE DID ANYTHING WRONG JUST UNDER 17 AND 18. WE USED TWO YEARS TO MAKE UP ALL THE PAY IN THE PLUS 1% WITH THE MARRIED AND OPRAH BENCH, MARK INQUIRIES, BUT FROM NOW ON HOW CAN WE DEAL WITH THE PINCHO CHALLENGE TO KEEP ALL GOOD TALENT, YOU KNOW, POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS, AND EVEN A CIVILIAN JOBS POSITIONS. I THINK THAT'S EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAN JUST STEP PROGRAM OR WHETHER WE HAVE BEEN USING OPEN RANCH SINCE 1995. BUT IF YOU HAVE A CONSOLE, STEPH, YOU KNOW, FEEL LIKE THIS IS GOING TO IMPORTANT TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENT. AND ALSO YOU HAVE TO REALIZE WHAT I HAVE BROUGHT JESSAMYN MEDIC IN A WAY ARE, ARE ACTUALLY NOT A FOR THIS YEAR, ALSO FOR THE FUTURE YEARS KNOW. SO BECAUSE THE INQUISITIVE INCREASE NOW IS GOING TO BE THE BASE FOR THE FUTURE. YOU THEN EVERY YEAR AFTER. SO WHATEVER DECISION YOU MAKE, YOU HAVE TO THINK IT THROUGH IS NOT JUST FOR NOW, ALSO FOR THE FUTURE AS WELL. SO, BUT IT ALSO, I HAVE TO MENTION HIS SALARY IS ONE OF THE THING ADDISON'S VERY UNIQUE. SEE TO WORK WORKFORCE. YOU KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU THIS, WE HAVE GREAT CULTURE AND ALSO IT'S A NICER ENVIRONMENT. I WOULDN'T SAY EVEN SAFER. SO WHEN YOU LOOK FOR A JOB IS NOT JUST ONLY FOR THE HIGHEST PAY, THE HIGHEST PAY, MAYBE YOU COME UP WITH SOMETHING YOU'RE THE ONE EXPECT. SO, UM, I WOULD HAVE SAID THIS, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO ASK YOU A QUESTION UNTIL WE HAVE SOME THAT I WANT DEEPER IDEAS OF WHAT TO DO. SO YOU DIRECT YOUR, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT IT'S A PLAN FOR 2% MERIT INCREASE OVER THE NEXT PERIOD OF TIME, 1%, 2%, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. DO WE HAVE AN IDEA HOW THAT COMPARES BECAUSE THERE'S A COST TO PERCENT, IS YOUR COST TO THAT? IT'S A COST TO FUND ALL OF THAT. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA RELATIVE TO THE COST OF FUNDING 2% OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS SOMETHING, UM, ON A [01:30:01] MERIT BASED PLAN VERSUS IS THAT MORE EXPENSIVE? IS IT LESS EXPENSIVE? IT'S ABOUT SAYING, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE WITH OTHER CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICERS AND OTHER STATES THAT HAVE STEP PLANS OR HAVE ANY BUDGET? THERE'S A NUMBER THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT YOUR, THAT YOUR COLLEAGUES ARE, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON THEIR ADMINISTRATION. SO CAN YOU JUST SAY THE, THE MOVEMENT? UM, I DON'T THINK THEY KNOW THEIR ANSWERS THAT ANSWER. I MEAN, IF YOU ASK THE CFO IN ANOTHER CITY, I DON'T THINK THEY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S HARD FOR US TO KNOW THE ANSWER FOR THEM. THAT'S GREAT. SO WOULD, WOULD, WOULD THERE BE ANY HISTORICAL, LET ME REPHRASE THIS WITH SOMEONE WHO WOULD BE A CFO IN ANOTHER CITY THAT HAD SAID HAVE SOME NUMBER THAT, I MEAN, THAT HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF NUMBER IN THEIR BUDGET TO, TO PREPARE FOR, TO DISSIPATE. CAN, CAN WE SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT? ME, MAYBE, MAYBE LOOK AT STUFF. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS TODAY. CAUSE IT'S CRAZY. IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A MATT QUESTION OR STEVEN QUESTION. IT SOUNDS LIKE MORE OF A MATH QUESTION. MEANING WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION IS, IS WHAT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE MARKET. WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS ON THE STEP STEPS, RIGHT? WELL, AND I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS HOW, HOW OUR PROPOSAL HERE, THE STEVEN'S PROPOSAL COMPARES TO WHAT OTHER CFOS MIGHT BE ANTICIPATING IN THEIR MODELS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I'M STARTING TO GET SOME SENSE OF THE RELATIVITY. SO, UH, EVERYBODY'S BUDGET THAT I'M AWARE OF. THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE REALLY, A LOT OF THEM DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THERE. SOME OF THEM HAD A COMBINATION OF, UH, UH, INCLUDING THEIR, THEIR STEPS. UM, A LOT OF THEM DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THERE, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK MATT SPOKE TO EARLIER. UM, YOU KNOW, I WILL GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM THE CITY OF ALLEN, I CAN, I CAN SAY WHY THERE'S A SO HIGH. THEY JUST CUT THE FIRST HALF OF THEIR ENTIRE PLAN OFF. SO, OR THEIR POLICE ENVIRONMENT, THEY JUST SAID, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO CUT THAT FIRST HALF OFF AND LEAVE THE LAST HALF. SO THAT'S WHY THERE WAS A SO SKEWED. IT WASN'T LIKE THAT ABOUT A YEAR AGO. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? STEEL, FOR EXAMPLE, BASICALLY THEY CUT ZERO TO 50% OFF AND LEFT 51 TO 100%. SO THEIR PLAN WAS BASICALLY THE FIRST ENTIRE HALF OF THEIR PUBLIC SAFETY PLAN WAS CUT OFF. THEY CHANGED THEIR PAY STRUCTURE. SO WHAT'S THE, UH, WHAT'S THE ADMINISTRATION'S THINKING ON WHEN WE ALLOCATE 4%, 2%, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS FOR MERIT INCREASES. UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WHERE SHE DELEGATE THAT TO YOU TO BE ABLE DEPARTMENT HEADS, TO, TO DECIDE WHO AMONGST THOSE TOTAL NEEDS IMPORTANT TO THAT DEPARTMENT, ANYWHERE FROM ZERO TO 4% OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN. IS THAT, IS THAT A FAIR UNDERSTANDING? YEAH, WE WIN. WHEN WE GET PROVEN THE BUDGET, A FOR EXAMPLE, A 4% POOL AMERICA GIVE EACH DEPARTMENT THEIR, THEIR EQUIVALENT OF THAT 4% MERIT RULE. AND THEN BASED ON THE, UM, THE WORK THAT THE SUPERVISORS MANAGERS, ET CETERA DO, THEN THEY GIVE THAT INFORMATION TO THE DEPARTMENT AND THE DEPARTMENT HEAD DETERMINES HOW THEY'RE GOING TO SPLIT THAT MONEY UP AT THAT 4%. SO IS IT YOUR FEELING THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE DISCRIMINATING AMONGST THEIR, UH, DIFFERENTIATING, UH, BETWEEN, UH, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR REPORTERS, UH, THAT SOME ARE GETTING LESS, SOME ARE BEING MORE OR, OR AS OPPOSED TO EVERYBODY I'VE GOT THIS GOOGLE YEAH, I TAKE IT. I THINK GENERALLY EVERYBODY IS DIFFERENTIATING AND I THINK THIS, THE WIDTH OF THE, THE, THE, THE DIFFERENCES, THE DIFFERENTIATION IS DIFFERENT AMONGST THE DEPARTMENTS. SO IT COULD BE BARS OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAN IT IS IN THE COURTS THAT HARVARD COULD BE LARGER IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT THAN IT IS IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. I'M ASKING. THIS IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, POINT DOESN'T DIFFERENTIATE, YOU'VE BEEN HERE 18 MONTHS, [01:35:02] 24 MONTHS. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO. WE'RE, WE'RE INCENTIVIZING EMPLOYEES TO OUTPERFORM THEIR COLLEAGUES. RIGHT. SO, I MEAN, THE QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, ARE WE DO I BELIEVE, BUT THAT'S IMPORTANT QUESTION. UM, SO, SO THE OTHER, AND MY LAST QUESTION PROBABLY THANKFULLY, IS THAT, UH, WHAT IS THE LIABILITY IN THAT HE DIDN'T, HE DIDN'T, HE DIDN'T RECOMMEND DOING A COMPENSATION STUDY OVER HERE, BUT SOME KIND OF IF COMPENSATION STUDIES TO COMPREHENSIVE AND SOME SOMETHING, UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, UH, THIS MIGHT NOT BE A BAD TIME TO BE CONDUCTING THESE SORTS OF THINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS ON A YEARLY BASIS. IT'S TO GIVE THE MANAGER SOME IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. SOME THAT SAYS, WELL, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON. YOU KNOW, POLICE OFFICERS, PRAISE AND FIRES GO CRAZY RESERVES. YOU KNOW, SUPERVISORS ARE GOING CRAZY. AND SO REST STARTS BECOMING ARMED WITH INFORMATION DATA, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, SHARE THAT WITH THE COUNCIL, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, OUR, YOU, TO A MACHINE, WHAT HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO DO TO FUND A DIRECTION IN THE COUNCIL, WHICH IS TO, UH, COMPENSATE OUR EMPLOYEES AT OUR PERCENT, THE AVERAGE. SO IS THERE SOME REASON WE CAN'T DO THAT, OR IF YOU DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE OR IT'S COUNTERPRODUCTIVE OR OBVIOUS MISSING SOMETHING HERE THAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO, THAT WAS IT A CONVERSATION THAT CERTAINLY BELIEVE A SURVEY OF THE SALARY BUDGET? IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THE LIFT THAT'S BEEN UNDERTAKEN. BUILDING MARGARET DOWNS POSITION ON EARRINGS AND AWARENESS OF WHAT EVERYONE'S LOGGING INTO THEIR BUDGET FOR THE COMING YEAR CAN REALLY BE BROKEN DOWN INTO ALL THESE ENTER THE BUDGETING FOR STEP COLO OR MERIT. AND WHAT IS THAT? AND AS AN ASIDE, THE EARLY HOURS DISTANCE TO THE SOUTH IS PRESENTED AND THAT'S A MIX OF HOURS VERY UPON THAT SPOT THAT WAS IN STEPS GLOBALLY. YEAH. IF CITIES ARE BUDGETING FOR CERTAIN INVESTMENTS, IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO 4%. THAT'S GOING TO BE FAIRLY LIMITED TO POLICE AND FIRE BECAUSE PLENTY OF CITIES HAVE OPEN RANGE PLANS FOR CIVILIANS. AND SO I DON'T WANT THAT TO DRIVE THE ENTIRE SHIP, BUT MY POINT THERE, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT BE AN AWARENESS OR WHO IS BUDGETING FOR STATS? YOU HAVE TO CERTAINLY HONOR THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN POSED FOR THE INITIAL RESEARCH THAT I NEEDED TO, UM, A FULL BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THOSE STEPS LOOK LIKE. UM, HOW COULD WE THROUGH THEM? CAN YOU HIRE ABOVE STEP ONE? AND THAT GETS BAKED INTO THOSE CONVERSATIONS, BUT THAT INFORMS THEN YOUR GROWING BUDGET PROCESS. BECAUSE IN THOSE CITIES THAT ARE ADJUSTING YOUR STRUCTURE, SIX, SEVEN, 8% SALARY ADJUSTMENTS. I WANT TO SAY THAT THOSE ARE EXCEPTIONS, NOT RULES, BUT WE DON'T FALL ON YOUR . SO WITHOUT THE 90 DAYS AND HOURS, WHERE IF WE KNOW THAT INSTRUCTORS ARE MOVING OR NOT MOVING OR NOT TO SAY, IF YOU WILL BE IN NOW WE HAVE THE BEGINNINGS OF A SALARY BUDGET, AND THEY CITY ARE KIND OF, THEY CREATE THEIR OWN VALUE RATING AND AN AVERAGE FOR CIVILIANS, SOMEWHERE IN THE FOURS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, SOMEWHERE IN THE SIX AND A HALF ON AN AVERAGE YEAR. AND THAT SHOULD INFORM THEN HOW YOU BUDGET. NOW, IF WE WISH TO DO A COMBINATION OF WHAT ARE REALLY, AND PEOPLE WHO THAT LOOKS LIKE MARKET PLUS MERIT THAT CAN BE DONE WITHIN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, CERTAINLY WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, BRINGS YOUR AVERAGE ACTUAL FOR A POLICE OFFICER [01:40:01] ALBUM. AND THAT INCLUDES SOME NEW POLICE OFFICERS. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GAINING GROUND ON MARKET. DO WE GET TO THE MARKET AVERAGE? NO, BUT JUST A COUPLE OF CITIES I'VE LOOKED AT SO FAR. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE AREN'T OFFICER'S MOVERS. SO I WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT THEM, THE ONE OH ONE AND RECOGNIZE THAT SOMEWHERE ON THE CONTINUUM, YOU KNOW, IT'S APPROPRIATE TO PAY OFFICER 75. SO, YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSAL THAT THERE IS A LOT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT A DOUBT, IT'S A LOT, THE SUSTAINABILITY OF IT LOOKS LIKE IN LIEU OF THE 70 OR 80 PAGES, YOU LOOKING AT THE BUDGET COMPONENTS EVERY SUMMER. SO WE KNOW WHAT TIME, ANY MORE QUESTIONS AND MORE QUESTION NOT, NO, THANK YOU. WELL, ME, ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS SLIDE? SO THAT'S MY SLIDE. YEAH. SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PRESENTATION AND I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR ANY POINTS HERE, BUT I HAVE IN BUDGET MESSAGES AND PRESENTATIONS, AS I'VE MADE PRESENTATIONS, I HAVE MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES THAT, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE LABOR MARKET ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE, ARE GOING TO CAUSE US TO REALLY TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT WHO WE COMPARE OURSELVES WITH BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENED, WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW. AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED LATELY IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. I'M NOT THE ONLY CITY MANAGER THAT SAYS THAT. AND THE ISSUE IS, IS YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A LABOR MARKET THAT, THAT PEOPLE THINK THAT THE MAN'S THIS, AND YOU KNOW, THAT SOMETHING THAT SOME OF THIS, UH, REAL AND SOME OF THAT'S PERCEIVED, UM, YOU HAVE COMMUNITIES THAT WE COMPARE OURSELVES TO THAT ARE CONTINUING TO GROW AT DOUBLE DIGITS EVERY YEAR, WHICH IS PHENOMENAL FOR THEM. THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF GREEN OPEN FIELDS, UH, IN THEIR COMMUNITIES THAT THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO ADD STUFF ON. AND THAT'S AWESOME, BUT THAT'S NOT US, RIGHT. SO WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT AS MAP. WAS IT WHO WE, WHO, WHO, WHO, WHO WE'RE GOING TO PLAY IN THE GYM WITH. RIGHT. UM, I STEPPED ON THE, ON THE BASKETBALL COURT WITH LEBRON JAMES, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET STOPPED? RIGHT. I SAY THAT BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T COMPETE, BUT WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF WHAT COMPETITION MEANS, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE FAIR TO ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES, NOT JUST PUBLIC SAFETY, WE HAVE TO BE MADE. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE DECISIONS ARE SUSTAINABLE. AND UNDER THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS. AND ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, SUSTAINABLE, UNFAIR APPLICATION HERE IS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO AS A CITY, MAINTAIN ROADS, ANYTHING, WATER SYSTEMS, SEWER SYSTEMS, ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, PARKS, TULIPS, ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION TONIGHT, BUT WE WILL NEED TO HAVE A, A CONVERSATION IN THE FUTURE TO FOCUS ON WHAT OUR PHILOSOPHY, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT OUR PHILOSOPHY NEEDS TO BE, SO THAT WE CAN BE FAIR AND SUSTAINABLE AND WHAT ARE, WHO OUR IMPERATIVE CITIES SHOULD BE, SO THAT WE CAN BE FAIR AND SUSTAINABLE. AND WE HAVE TO NOT FORGET THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT PAY TONIGHT, BUT WE NEED TO KEEP THINGS IN A TOTAL COMPENSATION CONTEXT. THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE DO A LOT OF GREAT THINGS HERE THAT ARE A LOT BETTER THAN A LOT OF, A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES. AND I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE APPRECIATE THAT UNFORTUNATELY, MARCH TO PASSIONS SHOULD. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO, ANYWAY, I THINK THE INTENT OF THIS SLIDE IS TO, TO KIND OF SET THE STAGE FOR A CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR, THEN YOUR FUTURE WITH SOMEBODY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT I WAS SAYING, UM, UH, THAT HE'S HAPPENED IN THE NEAR FUTURE SO THAT WE'RE MAKING APPROPRIATE, UM, LONG-TERM DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO SUSTAIN. YOU KNOW, AND PART OF THIS IS NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, A FUNCTION OF THE [01:45:01] COST SIDE OF THE EQUATION, RIGHT? WE'RE WHAT ARE WE DOING TO, TO CONTINUE TO GROW OUR COMMUNITY TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AROUND ADDISON ROAD IS NOT SEEN AS THE CIRCLE IS, IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT? WHAT ARE WE DOING TO REDEVELOP OTHER PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY? SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS. SO WE LOOK BOTH AT THE COST SIDE OF THE EQUATION, BUT ALSO THE REVENUE SIDE OF THE EQUATION. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE ON THE OPT TO SAY THAT EVERYBODY KNEW WHERE I WAS COMING FROM. AND WHY HAVE YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED ANY QUESTIONS AND LESS PASSIONATE. AND I WAS AT WHAT IS VOICE. I'VE GOT A QUESTION REGARDING WHAT YOU JUST SAID ON OUR COMPARITORS CITIES. DID COUNCIL DISCUSS THAT AND DECIDE THAT SEVERAL YEARS BACK THAT WAS PRIOR TO MY ARRIVAL, UH, PASSING. SURE. IF I CAN, 2014, THERE WAS A COMMITTEE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS AND EMPLOYEE REPRESENTATIVES THAT GOT TOGETHER AND DECIDED THAT, SO WITH COUNCIL AT THE TIME AND EMPLOYS THOSE CITIES WERE DECIDED, IS THAT ON VIDEO? IT'S NOT A VIDEO. WE DID HAVE RECORD OF IT IN OUR NOTES. OKAY. DO WE HAVE INFORMATION THAT COULD BE SHARED WITH COUNCIL IN SOME WAY TO HELP US KIND OF GET UP TO SPEED WITH HOW THAT, AND HOW THE CITIES WERE FORMED? WELL, WE HAVE MEETING NOTES, I GUESS, MINUTES, BUT WE DO HAVE MEETING NOTES. THE MEETINGS WERE POSTED CAUSE ALL OF COUNCIL WAS IN ATTENDANCE. SO WE DIDN'T HAVE THE NOTES FOR THOSE. YEAH. SHARE THE NOTES AS WE GET INTO THE NEXT MEETING. WELL, THAT'D BE COMMON. A COUPLE OF THINGS I REALLY AGREE WITH WEST, THIS COVENANT AND COMPETITORS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS, THE RIGHT WAY TO THINK OF IT. BUT WHEN I THINK OF COMPARITOR CITIES, WE CHOOSE, WE CHOOSE WHEN IT COMES TO ECONOMIC INCENTIVES, WE WANT TO COMPETE WITH DIFFERENT CITIES, OFFER DIFFERENT THINGS FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. AND IT'S THE SAME THING I SEE WHEN IT COMES TO LABOR OR AT LEAST HISTORICALLY YOU MAY BE COMPETING WITH CERTAIN PEOPLE FOR CERTAIN POSITIONS, OTHER PEOPLE FOR OTHER POSITIONS. AND JUST BECAUSE AN ORGANIZATION HAPPENS TO BE IN THE METROPLEX OR HAPPENS TO BE WHATEVER DOESN'T MEAN FOR A PARTICULAR COMPARISON, THAT THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE ONE THAT DRIVES AND WE DON'T DO IT IN ANY OTHER ECONOMICAL CONSIDERATION. WE CONSIDER HOW WE JUDGE THEM AND WE PAPER. I REALLY AGREE WITH THAT THOUGHT. THE OTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE WAS GOING BACK TO KNOW THE CONCERN ABOUT HOW PEOPLE MOVE TO THE RANGE FOR ME, WHEN IT CUTS THROUGH EVERYTHING. AND THE REASON THAT I REALLY POKE ON AVERAGE RATES, WHAT COUNTS FOR ME IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE BETTER. THERE WE GO. WHAT COUNTS FOR ME IS WHETHER IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE AND THAT'S WHERE IT LEVELS ITSELF OUT. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW ANOTHER ORGANIZATION GIVES A STEP INCREASE, GIVES OR WHATEVER. IF THEY GET A 7% INCREASE, ALL COMBINED, THEY GET A 7% INCREASE. IF THE AVERAGE RATE GOES UP THAT MUCH, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH. HOW YOU BUDGET. IT'S A LITTLE, YOU CAN TALK IT THROUGH, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY EARNING, THAT'S WHERE YOU FIND OUT HOW YOUR SYSTEM IS MOVING PEOPLE THROUGH OR NOT. AND BY THE WAY, A LOT OF THEM DON'T MOVE PEOPLE THROUGH AS MUCH AS YOU THINK, THE ONLY WAY TO FIND OUT IS TO LOOK AT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY PAY. AND THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS COME BACK TO YOU TO WHAT ARE THE AVERAGE RATES? THEN YOU ALSO LOOK AT THE BUDGET BECAUSE IF THEY DIDN'T SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY GAVE A 7% INCREASE AND THEN IT TURNS OUT WHEN THEY MOVED THEIR AGE 13, THE RANGE 12, THEN YOUR QUESTION BECOMES, SHOULD WE SAY WE GOT TO MOVE HER AGE 12 PLUS KIDS TO KNOW HOW MUCH DID THEIR PAY CHANGE. HEY, THAT'S WHY I WAS DRIVING THOSE TWO POINTS. I'M ALWAYS LOOKING, I WANT TO PAY VERY COMPETITIVELY, BUT I WANT US TO BE BASED ON THE REAL NUMBERS. I AGREE WITH YOU. I'M LOOKING FOR REALITY HERE. I'M LOOKING FOR, AND I SHARE MANAGER'S CONCERN, VALID POINTS YOU, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE STRUGGLE AND WHAT WE WANT TO BE AS A COMMUNITY AT THE END OF THE DAY. NO, WE'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS AND TEMPORARY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO [01:50:02] BE THE ONE THING WE CAN'T IGNORE IS THE MARKET. WE CAN'T IGNORE IT NOW. I, I, I THINK THAT, UH, WE COULD, UH, YOU USE THE REVIEW, UH, FOR COMPARATIVE CITIES. I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. AND I WROTE TO THAT. SO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THINGS CHANGE. YOU NEED TO SEE WHAT CITIES THERE, THERE AS MUCH LIKE US AS POSSIBLE, THAT'S REASONABLE TO DO. SO I THINK 72, UM, OF COURSE I AGREE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO PAY OUR EMPLOYEES COMPETITIVELY, SO WE WON'T BE A TRAINING CENTER. SO ON THE TIME OF THE TRICEP ONE FOR A YEAR OR TWO, THEN THE BUS. SO SOME OF CITY TO PICK UP ANOTHER ADVANTAGE ON A EXCELLENT TREND. SO THE OTHER THING IS WANTING TO PURSUE SUSTAINABILITY. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ABLE TO PAY FOR IT AS WELL. SO WITH THE GOALS OF EDISON AND, UH, I BELIEVE WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF POTENTIAL IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE QUESTION. YEAH. SORRY, BUT WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION. NOBODY'S REALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT, WE WANT TO BRING THIS BACK FOR COUNCIL TO MAKE SOME KIND OF DECISION. SURE. SO DO YOU WANT US TO COME BACK WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION OR DO YOU WANT US, WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO COME BACK WITH? WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATION. IF YOU GUYS WANT US TO DO SOMETHING ELSE I'M COMFORTABLE WITH REVIEWED AND THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED AND NOT YET. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHERE I HAVE TO DISCOMFORT LEVEL ONE IS FIRST OFF, HOW DO WE COMPARE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE ACTUALLY PAY? BECAUSE THAT'S THE HEART OF HOW WE STAY COMPETITIVE. WHEN YOU CAN SET A PAY TARGET, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER THE LOOK COUNTS IS, HOW MUCH YOU PAY. SO I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN HOW THE AVERAGE RATES STACK UP. AND THEN THE SECOND THING, THE WAY THAT IT'S MUCH OF IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. COME BACK TO IT AND PROBABLY BELABORING IT BECAUSE WE, I HOPE IT COMMUNICATED EARLIER. IF LET'S SAY THERE'S A 7% INCREASE OR YOU DON'T STICK WITH SEVEN, WHICH IS WHAT'S CLOSED ROUGHLY 5% FOR MARKETING 2% THERE. IF WE'RE WITH ANOTHER ORGANIZATION IS GIVING 7%. AND THAT 7% IS BASICALLY ALL MIDPOINT MOVEMENT. WE'RE GOING TO GO SPEND THE SAME MONEY, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DIVVY IT UP BETWEEN MARKETING MIRROR PICTURE, WE'RE GOING TO BE TWO POINTS FURTHER BEHIND ON THE POINT WHEN WE DID THE ANALYSIS, THAT IS JUST REALLY KEY FOR HOW WE DO THAT, BECAUSE WE COULD BE RATCHETING OURSELVES UP EVERY SINGLE TIME, SPEND SINGLE LOAN MONEY, BUT WE LOOK LESS COMPETITIVE IF YOU SEE WHERE I'M HEADED. SO I'M INTERESTED IN, I THINK HOW THAT MONEY IS ALLOCATED COMPARED TO OTHERS, BECAUSE IF WE ARE COMPETITIVE THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE TO GET A BIGGER INCREASE THAN OUR COMPETITORS, CITIES TO STAY COMPETITIVE. THAT'S AN IT, BUT IT ALL STARTS WITH WHERE ARE WE THE REALITY OF HOW DO WE PAY? AND THEN SECONDLY, WHEN WE LOOK AT HOW WE STRUCTURE, BECAUSE THE PROPOSAL IS TO SAY, THE MARKET MOVES THIS MUCH NIBBLE, ADD 2% FROM MERIT AS A DIFFERENT WAY OF STATING YOUR COMPETITIVE POSITION. YOU COULD SAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO AN AVERAGE PAY A HUNDRED, 1% OF WHAT OTHER COMPANIES PAY, WHERE YOU CAN SAY, I'M GOING TO SET A PAY TARGET OF A HUNDRED, 1%, AND THEN I'M GOING TO ADD TO IT. SO I'M INTERESTED IN THE BREAKOUT OF THAT DEBT. I UNDERSTAND. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. IT'S JUST THAT THERE'S ONE POINT WE NEED TO MAKE AS WELL. THAT IS A WAY TO DO IT. IT'S NOT THE WAY THAT THAT PARSONS US, OUR COMPARISONS, ET CETERA. SO THAT'S JUST A TOTALLY DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY THAN WHAT WE WERE, WHAT WE'VE DONE AND WHAT WE DO AND WHAT OTHERS DO AS WELL. WHAT IS THE TIMING FOR GETTING ACTUAL SAME AS FAR AS THE RESPONSE. YEAH, BUT A LITTLE BIT TRICKIER WITH COVID IS PEOPLE ARE WORKING REMOTELY. SO THEIR ACCESS TO THE DATA IS NOT AS READILY AVAILABLE. I IT'S A LITTLE BIT IN PART BECAUSE THERE THE CLIENTS TO DO SOME GLOBAL, YOU KNOW, SALARY SURVEY CONFERENCE, THEY GET ASKED TO SUBMIT THE ACTUAL SALARY AS WELL. [01:55:01] UM, THAT'S ONE PIECE OF IT JUST GETTING ALL OVER THE RAW DATA. I THINK THE OTHER WHERE I'M GOING TO FALL DOWN, GET BACK UP. NOW WHAT I KNOW, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL SALARIES ARE GOING TO BE THEY'RE COMING OUT HIGHER OR LOWER OR THE SAME AS WHAT THEY CURRENTLY OFFER. SO WHAT I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER TO HIS ARM TO NORMALIZE THAT FOUR TIMES IN JOB, WHEN YOU HAVE A MERIT FOCUSED EFFORT, UM, THAT YOUR POLICE OFFICER'S $10,000 OR THE HOURS ACTUAL PER BOX, THERE'S A LOT OF CITIES THAT YOU WANT TO GIVE ME THEIR AUTONOMY. SO, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T TALK TO FOUR TO SIX MINUTES AND IT CAN BE, YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, IN REGARDS TO THE CONTEXT OF THE DATA AND INFORMING THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER AND HELPING US TO MAKE A DECISION, I AM INTERESTED IN ACTUALS. I'M INTERESTED IN KNOWING ACTUALS. UM, AND OF COURSE THE CONCERN WITH THE ANOMALY, I THINK IN 2020 WITH SOME OF THE EVENTS THAT HAPPENED COULD ALSO BE AN OUTSIDE FACTOR. UM, BUT FOR MY POSITION OVERALL, I'M STILL, I'M JUST WANTING TO REITERATE THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED. THE STAFF HAS PROPOSED. AND THEN WHEN WE GET THE ACTUAL IS WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE AND ALL OF THIS DATA HELPS TO INFORM US GOING FORWARD, WHETHER WE WANT TO CHANGE THE WAY, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COMPENSATION, WHETHER WE WANT TO CHANGE THE PHILOSOPHY, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE WANT TO DO. BUT I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO USE CAUTION, UM, WITH SOME OF THE DATA, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPARATIVE CITY DATA, AND WE SAY THE TOP THREE CITIES ARE IN SOME KIND OF, UH, LEBRON JAMES, UH, TOURNAMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE SAY, WELL, WE DON'T WANT, WE CAN'T CONTINUE IN THAT TOURNAMENT, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, WE JUST CUT THEM OFF AND MOVE THE MILEPOST. YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN LATER? I MEAN, DO WE NOT WANT TO BE COMPETITIVE? SO THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF CONTEXT. AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINKING THAT WE NEED TO DO ABOUT IT AS A COUNCIL. AND IT MATTERS BECAUSE IT IMPACTS, UM, THE QUALITY AND THE SAFETY AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE OR OUR STAFF. UM, SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. I DIDN'T SEEMS TO ME THAT, UH, GETTING THE ACTUAL DATA COULD BE PROLONGED, BUT FOR LONG WAIT, MAYBE EVEN UNTIL APRIL, LET ME MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WORKING WITH MADE UP. RIGHT. HE IS WORKING WITH ASHEVILLE DATA. IT'S THE ACTUAL AVERAGE ENTRY IS THE ACTUAL AVERAGE TOP IS THE ACTUAL AVERAGE MID POINT. RIGHT. AND THEN WHAT WE, AND WHAT OTHER CITIES DO IS SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO CREATE THIS, THIS RANGE TO STARTED IN. AND IF YOU MOVE THE RANGE, A LOT OF CITIES WILL MOVE THE RANGE OF THAT MOVING TO THE PEOPLE. BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN VERY DILIGENT IN MOVING THE RANGE AND MOVING THE PEOPLE SO THAT NOBODY LOSES ANY GROUND RELATIVE TO WHERE THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY. RIGHT. SO ALL OF THAT IS ACTUAL THAT, RIGHT? AND IT'S, AND IT'S THE, IT'S THE METHODOLOGY THAT CITIES USE COMMONLY TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A PAY PLAN. RIGHT. UM, WHERE MASS JUST ANY STRUGGLING IS HOW DO YOU NORMALIZE THAT, RIGHT. WHEN YOU CAN'T COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S IN A POSITION WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN IN THE GRADE, YOU DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, YOU'RE TRYING TO COMPARE TO MIRROR, YOU'RE TRYING TO COMPARE A MERIT PLAN WITH A S A STEP PLAN, A YOU'RE TRYING TO GET COMPARE, UH, MARKER MARKET MOVEMENT. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO COMPARE THINGS THAT NOT NECESSARILY, AREN'T ALWAYS COMPARABLE THEN BECOMES REALLY DIFFICULT. AND SO OUR GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN MADE SURE THE STRUCTURE'S COMPETITIVE BETTER THAN AVERAGE THE BED 1% BETTER THAN OUR COMPETITORS CITIES MADE SURE WE MOVE OUR PEOPLE IF WE MOVE THE RANGE. SO THAT THEY'RE AT LEAST IN THE SAME SPOT, THEY WERE RELATIVE TO WHERE THEY WERE BEFORE THE BRANCH STRUCTURE MOVEMENT, AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MOVING THROUGH THEIR RANGE BASED ON THEIR PERFORMANCE AND A MIRROR. AND THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO. AND SO THAT IS ALL ACTUAL, THOSE ARE ALL ACTUAL NUMBERS, RIGHT. BUT, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT THAT'S FAIR. MAKE TRYING TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, WHAT IS AN ACTUAL PERSON IN THE ACTUAL POSITION? IS IT DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY [02:00:02] FROM ED IS A DEPARTURE FROM WHAT WE DID, WHAT WE DO. AND THERE'S A REASON WHY CITIES DO IT THIS WAY, NOT THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE RANGES WITH SOME OF THE THINGS I ALREADY EXPLAINED, YOU CAN'T PERFECTLY COMPARE A MIRROR, UH, SYSTEM WITH A STEP SYSTEM. YOU CAN'T PERFECTLY COMPARE YOU WHEN WE TRY TO MAINTAIN INTERNAL EQUITY. SO IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE WITH LIKE, EXPERIENCE LIKE EDUCATION, ET CETERA, THAT THEY'RE BEING PAID IN A LIKE MANNER ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR. FOR EXAMPLE, TOM AND I CAN HAVE THE EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE, THE EXACT SAME, UM, UH, EXPERT, UH, OR, UH, S YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING CAN BE THE SAME AND HE CAN NEGOTIATE A BETTER DEAL FOR HIMSELF, OR SOMEBODY IS LIKE MY RIGHT HAIR. SO THEY PAY ME LESS MONEY. AND I DON'T KNOW IT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT EITHER EACH OTHER MATES AND THE COMPANY'S OKAY WITH THAT. RIGHT. BUT AT THE BODILY CENTER THAT DOESN'T WORK THE PUBLIC SECTOR, IF TOM'S NAKED X AND Y EVERYBODY KNOWS, AND THAT'S AN INTERNAL EQUITY QUESTION. SO WE KEEP ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN MIND WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS. AND, UM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ACTUAL DATA, WE ARE USING ACTUAL DATA. OKAY. AS FAR AS THE CONSENSUS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, NUMBER ONE, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO THIS SLIDE LATER, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. WE WILL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THE THINGS IN THE SLIDE THAT A FUTURE DATE. OKAY. I GOT IT. SO, SO FROM A CONSENSUS, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING, UH, EXACTLY. WHAT'S THE DECISION-MAKING ASPECT, UH, PACKAGE OR CONSENSUS YOU'RE, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING FROM US OR NOT. CAN YOU, SO WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE MADE A RECOMMENDATION AND WE NEED TO KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA BRING THIS FORWARD OR COUNCIL ACTION, OR IF NOT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT QUESTIONS DO WE NEED TO ANSWER? SO WE'VE GOT A HANDFUL OF QUESTIONS FROM, FROM IRELAND, RIGHT? AND WE'LL, WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. HOWEVER, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PERFECT, A PERFECT COMPARISON, RIGHT. IT'S GOING TO CAUSE PROBLEMS THAT, THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT FOR US TO HANDLE WITHIN THE METHODOLOGY OF HOW WE SET OUR STRUCTURE, HOW WE MOVE OUR PEOPLE. SO WE WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL GET THAT INFORMATION. WE'LL BE LIKE, MATT SAYS OUR, OUR, OUR EXPERT IS TELLING US HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT. WE PRETEND. CAUSE I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU GUYS. SO THAT'S THAT'S SO, UM, SO WE ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS. WE'LL BRING THOSE THINGS AT THAT. THAT IS, SO IF THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, PAUL WAS TALKING ABOUT, HEY, WE NEED, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO DO A STEP PLAN. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD HE DID. HE HASN'T, I MEAN, THERE'S NOBODY ELSE OR THAT I THINK YOU'VE BEEN IN A DIFFERENT STATE. UM, MY FOCUS ON THAT IS, AGAIN, MY RELUCTANCE TO MARKET. WE WANT THESE OTHER CITIES PLAY, WE KNOW FOR ALL OF THEIR EMPLOYEES. OKAY. SO, UM, AND SO I'M INTERESTED IN THE EFFECT OF THAT, BUT IT'S A COMPETITOR PINCH, BUT A DISADVANTAGE, AND I APPRECIATE WHERE'S YOUR, YOUR APPLES TO ORANGES CONNECTICUT. BUT, UM, SO THAT WAS KIND OF MY QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IS OUR EXPERIENCE TELLING THIS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IS, IS THE THEORY OF EMBARRASS SYSTEM WHERE CAN MOVE THROUGH FASTER AND COMPARABLE. IS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENING? YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT YOUR, YOUR ARMENIANS ARE DISCRIMINATING AND DOING THAT PROCESS. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT FINDS THAT, THAT CONFIRMS MY, SINCE MY, MY SENSIBILITY, THAT, THAT, THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER FOR THE THEORY TO BE EXECUTED, THAT IT CANNOT BE, I'VE GOT X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS AND EVERYBODY GETS ONE 16 TO ONE 32ND, ONE 50TH OF WHATEVER WE HAVE, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S CAN'T DO THAT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M COMING FROM. I, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT WE'RE, YOU'RE MOVING PEOPLE THROUGH AND ADJUSTING THEM AND WE'RE DEALING WITH COMPRESSION AND WE'RE NORMALIZING, [02:05:01] OR GETTING BACK IN THE GAME WITH RESPECT TO SALARIES. THAT'S COMFORTING TO ME, I DO WANT TO SUGGEST THAT IT GOES THROUGH, UH, THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY TO MONITOR THIS AND TO MANAGE THIS IN. AND WHAT OCCURS TO ME IS MORE ABLED STEPS. UM, SO, UH, SO, SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SIX, EIGHT, 10% JUMPS ALL THE TIME. I AGREE WITH THAT. AND SO THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY. AND SO IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING GOES UP 3% OR, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? MY COMPANY BUDGETS X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR FOR SALARY INCREASES THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSE TO. SO, UM, I, I JUST DON'T, I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, WE'VE DONE YOURSELF, A DISSERVICE WITH DOING THE SOUND REVIEWS, UH, IS INFREQUENT. IT LEADS ME TO HAVE, AND I THINK THAT'S A COMEBACK, SO I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. I TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IF I HEAR, I HEARD, CLEARLY MATT MENTIONED JUST 20, 21 YEAR ALONE, IT WENT UP TO 78%. SO IT'S HARDER FOR US TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING JUST ONE YEAR. SO EVEN THOUGH YOU WANT TO DO A MARKET STUDY EVERY YEAR, BUT ONE YEAR IT WENT UP 8% IS, IT'S JUST, I'M GLAD THAT WE STILL CATCH THE TIMING WOULD TALK ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, TO CATCH UP, I THINK IT, MY, MY IDEA, YOURS SWAN OR I . YEAH. I'M JUST YOU WHAT, AND WHETHER IT'S A FULL BLOW, I MEAN, IN SOME KIND OF MONOCULTURE THAN US, BUT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO, TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR IS THAT REGARDLESS OF HOW OFTEN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, IT'S A MOVING TARGET, IT'S A MOVING TARGET AND IT'S A FAST MOVING TARGET RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. RIGHT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONALS ARE, DO, DO THIS ARE LIKE SCRATCHING THEIR HEAD. THEY'RE LIKE, HOW IS THIS? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? YOU KNOW? AND IT'S, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING. AND I THINK IT'S REALLY, UM, IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT SOME OF THESE CITIES ARE MAKING DECISIONS IN, AT, UM, UM, CONVENTIONAL TIMES. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE ASKED THEM IN AUGUST AND THEY TELL US ONE THING, AND THEN APRIL, APRIL, THE NEXT YEAR THEY DO ANOTHER, RIGHT. SO WE THOUGHT WE HAD A GOOD NUMBER BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD US. AND THEN WE WENT AND FOUND OUT AFTERWARDS THAT THEY WENT AND DID SOMETHING CRAZY. OKAY. SO I GUESS, I MEAN, ONE WAY TO GET AHEAD OF THAT IS TO BE CRAZY, WE CAN BE THE CRAZY ONES. RIGHT? I DON'T THINK THAT'S VERY SMART. NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT EVEN IF WE, EVEN IF WE DO IT EVERY YEAR, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT ALL THE TIME, BECAUSE THE DATA IS NOT GOING TO BE, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT THAT DOING IT EVERY YEAR AS A SILVER BULLET. OKAY. BUT IT IT'S, IT'S BETTER INFORMATION. IT'S FRESHER. I MEAN, ALL I'M SAYING IS WE'LL GO LOOK AT IT AS FREQUENTLY AS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING GOOD STUFF. AND FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT, I MEAN, WE NEED A CITY MANAGERS EVERY SUMMER IT'S ON, IT'S JUST LIKE WE NEED EVERY YEAR CITY MANAGERS, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE NORTH TEXAS AREA TO TALK ABOUT, HEY, WHAT DO YOU GUYS BUDGETING? RIGHT. WE DO THAT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE OUR FINANCE PEOPLE VERIFY THAT AND BE IN THAT MAP, VIEW, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE CAN DO ALL THAT, BUT IT MAY NOT MEAN WE MAY BE HERE NEXT YEAR. YOU GUYS MAY BE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DID WE DO WRONG? WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN. AND IT HAPPENED. WE GOTTA REACT. OH, I THINK IT'S PRETTY WELL. I DO. I THINK IT'S A PRUDENT IDEA TO, AT LEAST AS WE'RE HOPEFULLY WALKING OUT OF THE COVID ERA THAT WE DO IT FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. EVEN IF IT'S INFORMATION THAT WE DON'T LIE SAY NEXT YEAR WE DO IT ANNUALLY. AND YOU KNOW, IT STINKS. I HAVEN'T NOT LIKE IT. WELL, THAT'S BETTER THAN FINDING OUT IN TWO YEARS AND IT'S DOUBLE, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE JEOPARDY. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF COMING OUT OF THE CAUSE WE JUST GOT SURPRISED. SO WALKING [02:10:01] OUT OF THIS, LET'S, LET'S, UH, PUT A LITTLE PATCH ON IT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN BE INFORMED FOCUS RIGHT NOW ON A, ON A MARKET UPDATE OR FREQUENT IS THAT, BUT THAT'S, I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT. I MEAN, A PART OF THIS WAS JUST TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE MANAGER'S SECRETS SEEKING DIRECTION. AND, AND SO IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS, THAT THAT IS A GOOD IDEA THAT WE, WE THINK THAT THIS WOULD SERVE, UH, THE CALENDAR THAT WOULD EMPOWER THE MANAGER TO MAKE MORE INFORMED DECISIONS, BETTER DATA WAS REFRESHING TO HEAR WHETHER IT THEN, THEN, THEN LET'S SEE WHEN THAT DIRECTION. YEAH. THE REASON I ASKED YOU IS MY THOUGHT WAS WE, IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE A COUNCIL DECISION. WHY WOULD WE LOCK THAT INTO THE COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHY DISCUSSION? I MEAN, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN HOLDING UP. I HADN'T BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT. IT'S JUST, IT'S THE SAME THING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THAT SOMEWHERE OUTSIDE OF THE COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHY RESPECTFULLY, YOU DON'T NEED TO TELL ME TO GO LOOK TO THE MARKET ORDER. THAT'S THAT'S JUST DON'T DO THAT. OKAY. I APPRECIATE I'VE HEARD EVERYBODY GAVE US. AND WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY IS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT AS OFTEN AS WE NEED TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS, RIGHT? IF IT IS THAT RIGHT NOW IS A YEAR, EVERY YEAR, THEN WE'LL DO WHAT WE NEED TO AND WE'LL DO IT THE WAY WE NEED TO DO IT. RIGHT? IF, IF THINGS ARE SLOWING DOWN AND IT DOESN'T REQUIRE AN ANGLE, THEN WE'LL DO IT AS OFTEN AS WE NEED TO, TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS. MY POINT IS IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO KNOW EVERYTHING PERFECTLY. SO IF SOMETHING MOVES THAT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE, IT'S NOT A FAILURE OF ANYBODY'S. IT'S JUST A FACT THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE, WE MAY HAVE GOTTEN ONE DATA POINT FROM THE CITY FROM ONE CITY. AND TODAY IN REALITY DID SOMETHING DIFFERENT RIGHT AFTER THEM, BUT THEY TOLD US THEY WERE GOING TO DO SO. IT'S KIND OF EXCITING. IT'S A MOVING TARGET. WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO HIT TARGETS, BUT WE'RE GETTING RE RE RELATED TO THIS RECOMMENDATION. I GUESS IF I GO BACK AND I GO, IF SUBJECT TO ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVEN'T YET, YES, WE CAN BRING, WE'LL SEE HOW LONG IT TAKES US TO GET THAT DATA. BUT WE'LL BRING THAT BACK. OR IS THIS THE COUNCIL WANT TO WAIT UNTIL WE'VE GOT THAT DATA TODAY TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER? WHAT'S WHAT, WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO THEN? I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE, UH, THAT YOU ALL THE INFORMATION COMPLETED. THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING FOR THE NEXT MEETING. THEY WON'T BE THE NEXT MINUTE. IT WON'T BE THE NEXT MEETING. GOOD. HOW, HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE MATT AND I CAN SEE HIM UP ON IT AS FAR AS THE INFORMATION REQUESTS FOR DATA, FOR DISPOSAL. AND I WANT TO BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT DATA ACTUAL WE'RE ALL JOBS. UM, I'M GOING TO PUSH ONE FURTHER TO SAY THEY A HIGHER DANGER POSITION DATE. UM, NO, I DON'T HAVE IT FORMULATED IN MY MIND AT THIS TIME, WHAT THAT DATA TELLS ME. UM, YEAH, CERTAINLY ON THE OPTIMISTIC SIDE OF IT, BUT I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE CITIES AND WHETHER OR NOT ONCE WE GET IT, YOU KNOW, YOUR REQUEST TO BE SENSITIVE TO WHETHER OR NOT AN ADDED VALUE CONVERSATION THERE TO STRUGGLE WITH THIS OFFICIAL, THERE ARE REALLY THREE LEVELS. THE THREE THINGS I'M INTERESTED IN AND I CAN DEAL WITH SAM'S LIKE, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT. YEAH. I CAN DEAL WITH SAMPLING. YOU THINK IS REPRESENTATIVE, BUT THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS ARE WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY TAKE HOME. WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE? DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WE ARE PAYING IN LINE OR DO YOU THINK WE'RE X PERCENT LOW? DO YOU THINK WE'RE WHATEVER IT'S A JUDGMENT AND I'M NOT LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND LINE SPREADSHEET. I'M LOOKING FOR AN ASSESSMENT THERE. THE SECOND THING IS I'M VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT THE, WHAT THE, WHAT THE PERCENT INCREASES WERE IN TOTAL THAT THE COMPARATIVE CITIES GAVE AND WHAT WE GAVE AND HOW THEY COMPARED. AND THE REASON I'M PUSHING ON THAT POINT IS MAYBE BECAUSE THE PROPOSAL IS TO GIVE EVERYBODY 5% AND THEN SPREAD TO FOR VERA. THAT'S THE PROPOSAL DIFFERENT FOR CIVILIAN AT DECLARE [02:15:01] THAT'S THE PROPOSAL. AND MY QUESTION IS IF OTHER CITIES HAVE USED ALMOST ALL THEIR MONEY FOR STRUCTURE AND THEY'D GIVE THEM THE SAME PERCENT INCREASE, AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS SAID THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, WE'RE GOING TO USE IT FOR A MIRROR RATHER THAN. SO THEN WE UNDERSTAND MAYBE WE'RE NOT, IT IS ADDING COMPETITIVE POSITION AS IT LOOKS, BECAUSE THE BASIS FOR THIS WHOLE RECOMMENDATION IS HOW MUCH THEY MOVE THE STRUCTURE AND HOW WE MOVED OUR STRUCTURE LESS THAN THAT, BECAUSE WE SPREAD IT DIFFERENTLY. WE MADE OURSELVES LESS COMPETITIVE. AND UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, I THINK 2% IS ABOUT HALF A MILLION BUCKS. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ON POINTS ONE AND TWO, IF YOU AGREE TO TAKE A SAMPLING OF ACTUAL DATA INSTEAD OF THE FULL, FULL, FULL MOTHER-IN-LAW, UM, THEN WOULD THAT SAME SAMPLING BE USED TO GET THE PERCENTAGE DIFFERENTIAL FORMULA THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FOR ITEM TWO, I'M LOOKING AT TIMELINES, SEPARATE QUESTIONS. LOOKING AT AVERAGE RATES WOULD BE PICKING A JOB AND PICKING POINTS AND LOOKING AT IT AND SAYING, THIS IS MY MINE ASSESSMENT. OKAY. SO THAT'S MORE TARGET RATES INSTEAD OF ACTUAL BUDGETS THAT, THAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE EASIER THAT WE SHOULD HAVE OUR DATA IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THIS SERVER THAT'S CERTAINLY LIKE THAT HAS BEEN DONE EACH YEAR. THAT IN FACT SOMEONE HAS GONE OUT JUST LIKE YOU DESCRIBED EARLIER, MATT IS THE SORT OF THE OFF YEAR UPDATE WHEN YOU'RE NOT DOING A MAJOR SURVEY, YOU GO OUT AND ASK, I THINK THAT'S BEEN DONE JUST ABOUT EVERY YEAR AMONG COMPARITOR CITIES. AND SO THERE SHOULD BE A REPOSITORY, I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT DEGREE, BUT EVERY YEAR WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WHEN IT'S BEEN A LET'S GIVE LET'S PROPOSE A SALARY BUDGET. THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A CONVERSATION, WHATEVER ARE WAS DOING, HERE'S THE DATA. GOTCHA. SO I'M, AGAIN, I'M NOT LOOKING TO MAKE THIS A HUGE THING NOW, BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S A, IT'S A BASIC QUESTION TO SAY, WE NEED TO GIVE EVERYBODY 5% PLUS TO THAT. THAT'S A REALLY BASIC, THAT IS THIS PROPOSAL. AND WHAT WAS THE THIRD ONE? LOOKING AT THOSE BUDGET CUTS, LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AND THE BREAKOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVE WE GIVEN THE SAME, HAVE RD INCREASES GOING AS BIG AS OTHER COMPANIES OR OTHER? I WOULD SAY THAT AS OTHER CITIES, WE JUST SPLIT IT DIFFERENTLY. NO ARMY, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T MOVE. WE DIDN'T COUNT AT ALL. IS MIDPOINT MOVING ACTUAL SALARIES IN REALITY. AND SO FAR, ANY RATE, MATT, CAN YOU WORK WITH THAT? YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, MY, MY QUESTION REMAINS, YOU KNOW, IF I ASKED FOR MULTIPLE BUDGET YEAR DATA OR GIVE ME WHAT YOUR PAYROLL LOOKED LIKE ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, UM, IS THAT 18 AND 19 AND 20? YEAH. YEAH. THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION TO IVAN ABOUT TIMELINE PREVIOUSLY, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TIMELINE. UH, OKAY. HEY, TIMELINE, NOT TIMELINE BEING IN THE DATABASE, MATT, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PROPOSAL? YOU UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION ABOUT HOW MUCH THE MID POINTS AND OTHER OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. IN MY EXAMPLE, GETTING SEVEN, WE GET SEVEN, BUT ONLY COUNT FIVE TOWARDS STRUCTURE. HOW WOULD, IS THERE A WAY TO ANSWER THAT FAIRLY QUICKLY? BECAUSE MAYBE THE FACT IS I'M A FACE WE'D WIN, RIGHT? WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY WELL, WHEN YOU DID GO BACK TO THE 2018 ASSUMPTION THAT WE HAD SHORED UP OUR POSITION AT MARKET POST-MORTEM FOR ACTUAL SAUDIS, THAT WAS NOT WHAT WAS SOUGHT OR ACHIEVED. WHAT WAS ACHIEVED AT THAT TIME WAS OUR STRUCTURE WAS MARKET. SO I NEED TO GO BACK AND NORMALIZE TO ANSWER THE SECOND QUESTION ABOUT WHAT PERCENTAGE INCREASES WERE GIVEN, WHETHER IT WAS FOR 19 FOR 2021. SO THEN I ASKED THE SAME QUESTION TO EACH THAT'S SOME HALLMARK AND I'M LOOKING TO GIVE INCREASES BECAUSE EVERYTHING YOU'VE SEEN SAYS THAT THE MARKET'S MOVING. SO I'M NOT LOOKING TO HOLD THIS UP UNTIL WHATEVER AT THE SAME TIME, AS WE SAW SUSTAINABILITY, MEANING THAT WHAT WE CAN SUSTAIN AS 1%. I THINK IF I'VE UNDERSTOOD STEPHEN SLIDE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEVEN, AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS THAT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DATA WOULD [02:20:01] TELL US. SO MAYBE, MAYBE THERE'S AN INTERMEDIATE AGAIN. I WANT TO DO SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE. WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S AN ENEMY, MAYBE IT'S NOT FIVE PLUS TWO. MAYBE IT'S, MAYBE IT'S SOME OTHER NUMBER AND YOU DO SOMETHING ELSE. LIKE WHAT DOES IT FRISCO OR WHATEVER IN APRIL, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING A LOT TO THE BASE TO CARRY FORWARD. WHEN OUR CFO JUST TOLD US 1%, 1%, 1%, 20, 22 OR 2022. RIGHT? AND THEN THAT IS 2% REGARDLESS. I JUST, I THINK IT'S PROVEN GAS. THAT QUESTION, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE NOT SAYING TO GIVE THAT FIVE PLUS TOOL FIVE PLUS ONE TO ALL OF THEM, BECAUSE HE WAS SEE TO CIVILIAN 70 JOBS. THEY ALL 14% WITH TWO POSITIONS ALREADY HIGHER THAN PARIS, THE CITY. SO YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT EVERY POSITION WITH THE SAME INQUIRIES. OKAY. I KNOW THAT'S THE OVERALL AVERAGE. YEAH. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING MORE LIKE 4.1 FOR CIVILIAN. SOMETHING WHERE LIKE SEVEN FOR FIREPLACE AND SOMETHING WHERE LIKE, I'M NOT SURE. NINE, 10, 11 FOR POLICE. I THINK IT'S MORE LIKE, SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS THIS, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PAIR APPLES AND ORANGES. SO WE'RE GOING TO COMPARE WHAT WE DID MORE STRUCTURE AND WITH WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY DID. I DON'T KNOW WHEN I WON'T BE ABLE TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU, BUT WHEN IT'S DONE, WE'LL BRING IT BACK HERE. WE CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, EVEN THOUGH I FEEL THAT IF YOU WANT TO USE THIS COMPARISON, YOU WILL NEVER BE ACCURATE. AND SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SO MUCH SENSE TO ME. SINCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, YOU WANT TO COMPARE APPLE TO ORANGE AND THEN IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. THEN IF YOU WANT TO COMPARE POSITION TO POSITION WITH A SIMILAR CITY, AND I THINK IT WILL MAKE A BETTER SENTENCE. IF YOU WANT TO COME HERE WITH THE PHRASE SCHOOL, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE THERE IS, IT'S JUST LIKE AN APPLE TO ORANGE. SO IT'S NOT A FAIR COMPARISON. NO, WE ARE MORE IN LINE WITH SHELTON FARMERS, BRANCH, BUT HELL NEIGHBORING SEAT. SO, UH, SO THAT'S REALLY THE, WHAT MATT TAUGHT ON THE COMPARISON. SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UH, WOULD COMPARE WITH ALL THOSE ON THE SEAT. WE'RE COMPETITIVE WITH THOSE OTHER CITY. WE HAVE IDEAS HOW TO WIN AND OVER, YOU KNOW, RAISE LEVEL AWAY BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE EVER WE CAN COMPETE WITH THE MORE THAN CDS. SO WHATEVER YOU DO, YOU'RE ALWAYS CHASING, YOU KNOW, SO IF IT WON'T WORK AND THEN WE GAVE EVERYBODY 7% RAISE, THEN THEY GIVE EVERYBODY EVEN MORE, THE SECOND RACE. THEN WE ALWAYS IN THE POSITION, CHASE AND CHASE AND CHASE. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A GOOD COMPARISON. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH YOU WANTED MADISON TO DO MORE RESEARCH MONTH, IT WON'T WORK, BUT YOU'LL ALL SET. GOOD. I BET, YOU KNOW, IT WILL SATISFY ME AS, AS LEADER. WE HAVE TO MAKE ALL DECISIONS. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME NUMBER OF INQUIRIES DEEMED THAT AS REASONABLE ALSO WE CANNOT AFFORD. NO, I, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD MAKE BETTER SENSE. YOU'RE, YOU'RE KEEP ON TALKING ABOUT DOING MOST THAT IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD. THAT'S MY 2 CENTS. I THINK THE DATA, THE DATA POINTS THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR ARE INTERESTING. I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR ME, THAT I DON'T KNOW. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT, THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK IT MOVES THE NEEDLE MUCH FOR THIS, FOR THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY SUBSIDIES WITH THE DATA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO COMPARE AND MAKE SENSE OF TO REALLY GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE ALL A HUNDRED PERCENT CONFIDENT THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THE EXACT RIGHT SOUND FRIDAY PERCENTAGE. WE'LL TRY TO GET EXACT WHAT I SAW IN THE FIVE. PLUS IT SEEMED VERY LIGHTLY. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'D BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT REACTION. I HAVEN'T, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT [02:25:02] OUR REACTION TO THE PRESENTATION IS THAT THIS SEEMS TO BE A REASONABLE ADJUSTMENT TO HAVE TO LOOKING AT STARTING. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RANGES, RELATIVE TO WHAT I SAW, YOU KNOW, THE COMPARER CITIES FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS, I MEAN KNOW. SO THAT'S BRINGING US BACK IN THE GAME. D D DO YOU SEE IT DIFFERENT THAN THAT? HERE'S THE GOLD FROM 61 67,000. HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE FOR ME, A GROUP OF THE CITY THAT HAS A STEP PLAN SAYS THAT THEY GAVE A 7% INCREASE AND IT WAS CALLED INFRASTRUCTURE POINT, WENT UP SEVEN POINTS. WE GAVE 7%, BUT WE GAVE FIVE PLUS TWO. WE SPENT THE SAME MONEY. OUR EMPLOYEES GOT PAID AS MUCH MONEY IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE INCREASE, BUT WE'RE TWO POINTS, LESS COMPETITIVE. SO WHEN WE NOW LOOK AT THE MOVEMENT, WE SAY, WE WANT TO KEEP UP WITH THEM. WE'VE GOT TO DO TWO POINTS IN THE WAR BECAUSE OF HOW WE DID OUR TABLET. DO YOU FOLLOW MY EXAMPLE? I DO. I FOLLOW THE TWO POINTS IS HALF A MILLION BUCKS. I DO. I, SO THAT'S MY BOTTOM LINE QUESTION IS, IS THE WAY THAT WE BUDGET. AND THEN WE COMPARE BECAUSE THIS IS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE OTHER CITIES DON'T HAVE THAT. SO, RIGHT. SO AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE POINT THOUGH, OF THE OVERARCHING ISSUE, COMPLEXITY DEEP, SOME OF THE DEEPEST COMPLEXITY THAT WE DEAL WITH IN THE WORK THAT WE DO AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHICH IS TO ALLOCATE BUDGET RESOURCES AND DEVELOP GOOD POLICY IS COMPENSATION. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE MATT. AND WE HAVE A TEAM OF STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE COMMITTED TO HELPING US UNDERSTAND IT AND BREAK IT DOWN AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE GET SOME DATA BACK, THAT INFORMS THE WAY WE STRUCTURE THE COMPENSATION MOVEMENT GOING FORWARD, WE COULD DO THAT. I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHY WE SHOULD STOP WHAT WE'RE DOING. YEAH. I THINK THIS IS, UH, PAUL USE YOUR WORDS. THIS IS A REASONABLE PLAN AND IT DOESN'T GET US WHERE WE WANT TO BE, BUT IT GETS US, LIKE YOU SAID, IT GETS US AT THE CUSP OF BEING IN THE GAME. I DON'T WANT TO FALL OFF. I DON'T WANT TO, I WANT TO TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE. I WANT TO GET THIS DONE SO THAT THEY CAN SEE IT IN THEIR PAYCHECKS. NOW I DON'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL JUNE OR AUGUST. I WANT TO KEEP OUR PEOPLE. I DO TOO CURRENTLY. I CAN'T SAY WHETHER THE INCREASES THAT ADDISON HAS GIVEN ARE GREATER OR LESS THAN OTHER CITIES. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW. I, I, I, IF SOMEONE ASKED ME, I WOULD TELL THEM THAT IN LOOKING AT THE DEBT, I GET THE PRESENTATION HERE. IT BRINGS US IN LINE RUTH, UH, SALARIES, UH, RELATIVE TO OTHER CITIES. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. HE DID ONLY MINT. WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THREE POINTS THERE. YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, HE COULD, UH, HE COULD HAVE SORTED THOSE VIEWPOINTS BY POINTS AND HE SORTED BY, BY BEGINNING. AND SO THEY WILL LOOK DIFFERENT. YOU KNOW, WE'D BE HERE, HERE, HERE. BUT IF YOU UNDERSTAND IT FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, WHAT WE HAVE SPENT ON THOSE GOOD POINTS, WE DON'T NEED POINTS, FIVE POINTS. WE NEED TO ADJUST OUR POINTS. AND MAYBE THE INCREASE THAT PEOPLE GET IS THREE PLUS TWO. THAT'S, BY THE WAY, I DON'T HAVE THE DATA, BUT THAT'S MY QUESTION. AND IT'S REAL MONEY, LESS, RIGHT? LESS. IF WE MAKE DECISION IN THE FUTURE MEETING TODAY, THEY JUST WORK SESSION. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET A CONSENSUS. IF THE DECISION MADE THEN WOULD BRING IT BACK, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE, THE EFFECT THAT THEY HAVE, THIS OF ANY OF ANY IMPLEMENTATION WOULD BE THIS, THE FIRST PRACTICAL PAY PERIOD AFTER THE DECISION IS MADE. SO IT'S ON A GO FORWARD [02:30:01] BASIS. IT'S NOT RETRO. YEAH. IF WAY HAD A CONSENSUS HAVE CONSENSUS TODAY, NO WAY HAVE TO VOTE FOR IN THE FOLLOWING MEETING THEN. SO IT WON'T BECOME EFFECTIVE. YOU KNOW, THE PAY PAY PAYDAY FOLLOWING THE FACT, THE FOLLOWING HOUR, THE NEXT IT WOULD, IT WOULD START THE NEXT FULL PAY PERIOD AFTER THAT DECISION. SO THERE IS TECHNICALLY, FOR EXAMPLE, ON FEBRUARY 9TH IS OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. THERE IS A PAY DATE AND THERE'S A PAY DAY ON THAT FRIDAY THAT FRIDAY THE 12TH. YEAH. AND IT WOULDN'T BE THAT FRIDAY. IT WOULD BE FOLLOWING THE FOLLOWING THE FULL FOLLOWING. WELL, NOT TO RETRO BACK TO OCTOBER 1ST. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THIS. SO YOU HAVE SOME IDEA DO, FOR INSTANCE, THIS COMES IN WHILE YOU'RE GOING TO TELL HIM, TELL HIM MY POSITION YET, BUT IT COMES IN LATER. WE COULD, WE COULD MAKE HER RETROACTIVE. I WAS ON RECOMMENDED. WE DO THAT. IT'S A LOT HARDER. AND IT'S CAUSE IT JUST COMPLICATIONS. YES, WE'VE DONE IT. THAT'S ANOTHER COMMON PRACTICE IN MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT. IT IS IN THE DISCIPLINARY. THAT'S CORRECT. SO, SO YOU DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE, DO YOU LAY THIS OR YOU ON, LET ME CONTRAST THAT WITH CONSENSUS OR WE COME AT IT AS MEANING TO CONTINUE. SO EIGHT 30, EIGHT 43. I SEE. I WAS GOING TO SAY, I SEE, I SEE A LOT OF, I SEE A LOT OF PHILOSOPHY QUESTIONS COMING UP IN THIS DISCUSSION AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WITH, AND THIS WAS BASED ON YOUR PHILOSOPHY, THIS, THIS WHOLE WORK. RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, I SEE IT MORE OF, OKAY, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT PHILOSOPHY QUESTION AS SUSTAINABILITY AND TO WORK IN PAIRS. SO THESE ARE, BUT FOR WHAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW, I'M PERSONALLY, I'M OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, KNOWING THAT ALL THAT STUFF IS THE BIG QUESTION THAT WE HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO TALK ABOUT. AND I MEAN, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S OKAY IF YOU MAKE IT NEXT PAY PERIOD. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'LL BE ENOUGH INFORMATION IN TWO WEEKS TO BE ABLE TO LIKE, SO PROBABLY NOT. I DON'T KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO SAY GUT-FEEL WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE, I DON'T CARE WHERE, WHAT WE CALL IT. IT'S THE TOTAL DOLLARS. I THINK, I THINK THIS TELLS YOU THAT THE TOTAL DOLLARS WE ARE BEHIND ON, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S, WHETHER IT'S MOVING, MOVING THE RANGE AND A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF MERIT OR EVEN DIVERSITY, THE DOLLARS OVER DOLLARS. RIGHT. SO IS, I MEAN TO THAT POINT, AND I THINK IVAN, IVAN IS BRINGING UP, LIKE I SAID, IT'S DIFFERENT, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE. AND SO IF, IF THE IDEA IS ALL RIGHT, LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION THAT I, THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT. IF WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT WHAT I'M IN THIS, TALKING ABOUT, WHERE IT GETS VERY DIFFICULT IS DOING THAT, COMPARING IT TO WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING. RIGHT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE STRUGGLING AS FAR AS THAT GOES. AND SO IF THAT'S PART OF THE PHILOSOPHICAL CONVERSATION, LIKE YOU SAY THE SAY, ALL RIGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW HOW WE'VE DONE IT. WE WANT TO FIND A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS OR A DIFFERENT WAY TO DO THIS OR WHATEVER. AND THAT'S PART OF THE PHILOSOPHICAL FOR THE CONVERSATION GOING FORWARD. THEN, THEN THAT'S MY THING. BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO COMPARE HOW WE'VE DONE IT TO WHERE, HOW TO, HOW WE HAVEN'T DONE IT, THAT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, IT'S MORE. SO WAS THERE A CONSENSUS FROM EVERYONE ELSE TO MOVE I'M IN FAVOR OF DOING SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD? SO I THINK THAT INFORMATION, TO THE EXTENT IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, CAN, CAN STILL BE, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND ALL RIGHT. YOU OKAY WITH THAT? MODERN LAURIE GQ. WELL, MARY, THANK YOU FOR ASKING. UM, I REALLY LIKED TO, UH, TO SEE THE INCREASES PERCENT INCREASES, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN A LOT TO NECESSARILY DELAY WORK MOVING FORWARD. I LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMEWHERE THAT WE COULD GET THOSE, GET THAT INFORMATION AND GET THAT AVERAGE SALARY. MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THAT. AND WE'RE GOING TO, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT WHEN WE START LOOKING AT THESE FUTURE [02:35:01] CONSIDERATION, THAT'S FINE. NOW ARE THOSE COMPATIBLE? I, I DON'T KNOW. I, UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE GET SOME INFORMATION ON THE 2014 COMMITTEE THAT SET THE COMPARISON SEEMS THAT THAT MAY BE THE UNDERLYING FOUNDATION FOR WHERE WE'RE GOING. YOU MEAN THE REVELATION FOR THE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THEY CHOSE THEM ON WHAT BASIS AND WHAT WERE DESERVED THERE? 13 FIVE, 10, 500 WONDERED KIRSTEN. SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THAT. NOW, OBVIOUSLY IT FITS OR IF THERE'S CONSENSUS AND FORWARDING TYPES UNLUCKY, WHAT COULD IT FUCK THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR EMPLOYEES UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN. I DON'T THINK THAT BY MAKING SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS NECESSARILY INDICATION THAT WE'RE NOT CONCERNED. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THE INFORMATION THAT I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR IT. AND I CERTAINLY SEE IT AND I'M OPEN FOR, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK EVERYBODY'S WAITING TO MOVE FORWARD. HOWEVER, IN THE NEXT MEETING, UH, IF ANY FURTHER INFORMATION LIKE, OR YOUR PRECEDENT FOR THE, UH, 2014, THE DECISION MAY AFFORD THEIR COMPARISON CDS. SO MAYBE WE CAN SEE THEM IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, BUT IT HAS TO BE BUILT 13 SEASONS DOESN'T MAKE SO MUCH SENSE. AND I WILL LOOK FOR, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD BRANCH AND EDISON WOULD HAVE A BOND, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL PUBLIC SAFETY. SO, UH, SO TO PICK UP OR TO GO TO THE SEATS. SO WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT IN THE NEXT MEETING, BEFORE WE MAKE THE DECISION, I WAS GOING TO SAY ONE WORD WHEN WE HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH OUR COMPARISON CITIES, THAT'S ACTUALLY, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE PHILOSOPHY. THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING THAN, THAN THIS COMPENSATION. I MEAN, WE NEED TO GATHER THAT INFORMATION, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T WANT IT. WON'T BE HERE FOR 10 HOURS NEXT TIME TALKING ABOUT COMPARISON CITIES. I MEAN, THAT'S A WHOLE, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER ANIMAL, SO IT WON'T BE HELD BY THAT. JUST HAVE SOME MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING. WE, WE WILL HAVE A FUTURE CONVERSATION AND WE'LL BE BEFORE OUR BUDGET WORK. SO I CAN COMMIT TO THAT, UM, UH, TO TOM'S POINT AND THAT WE WON'T BE READY FOR THAT TILL IT'S A BIG PHILOSOPHICAL CONVERSATION BY, BY THE NEXT MEETING, I THINK, GET THIS TAKEN CARE OF, AND THEN WE'LL FOCUS ON, ON THAT COMING UP HERE. I THINK YOU GOT YOUR CONSENSUS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT. YOU'LL WANT TO GO MEET WITH GREG. I SAY ONE THING REAL QUICK. I TO, I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THE ATTENTION. THIS IS A HEAVY TOPIC. I THANK EVERYBODY FOR PAYING ATTENTION FOR PARTICIPATING. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. STAFF'S WORK. AND MASS WORK TO THIS POINT. I CAN SAY MORE NEXT WEEK, BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR WHAT WE DID A LOT OF WORK STARTING AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, THAT LITERALLY FLASHED BEFORE OUR EYES, THE END OF THIS CONVERSATION. SO THANKS FOR MAKING IT. I JUST TAKE FIVE MINUTES BREAK. I'VE NOTICED ALMOST THREE HOURS. COME BACK. READY. I TELL NUMBER TWO, PRESENT, [2. Present and Discuss the Preliminary Design of an Electronic Sign Over Belt Line Road.] DISCUSS THE NAME IN THE DESIGN. I'LL GIVE YOU ELECTRONIC SIGN OVER BILL ON YOUR GOOD EVENING. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS TAMMY CALLIGRAPHER. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF BUSINESS PERFORMANCE AND INNOVATION. AND I'M HOPING THAT I KIND OF PROMISE YOU THIS CONVERSATION WOULD BE A LOT EASIER THAN PREVIOUS THREE HOURS ON MAY 12, 2012. UH, WE HELD A BOND ELECTION AND THERE WERE SIX PROPOSITIONS THAT ALL PASSED PAST RESIDENTS. I PROPOSITION ONE WITH YOUR BUS FOR $29,500,000. [02:40:03] THANK YOU. THE PROPOSITION FUNDED FOUR PROJECTS, INCLUDING AND OTHER CHRONIC SIGNS OVER DEVELOPED ON THE ROAD FOR $500,000 IN NOVEMBER OF 2018, DONALD ADDISON RETAINED HIS SERVICES ON BOTH ON TO CONDUCT A SAFETY AND LOCATION ASSESSMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE PLACEMENT. ELECTRONIC DISPLAY CHANGEABLE MESSAGE. UH, AND ALTON WAS TASKED TO DEVELOP A SAFETY ASSESSMENT RECOMMENDATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE PLACEMENT OF ANOTHER CLIENT MESSAGE SIGN ON BELTLINE, APPROXIMATELY 60 FEET THEIR SERVICES INCLUDE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REVIEW LITERATURE, LITERATURE, REVIEW OF GENUINE MESSAGE DESIGN GUIDELINE STRUCTURE TYPE. AND BASED ON THAT STUDY, THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION WAS A OVERHEAD SIGNED BRIDGE STRUCTURE AND CHANGEABLE MESSAGE SIGN BALANCED TEAM, AND MARCH OF 20, 20, 20, 20 WHEAT, UH, ADVERTISER RFP. AND WE HAD A, UH, PRE MANDATORY, UH, BIT MEETING ON EVERY EIGHT. THE CLOSING DATE WAS APRIL 24TH, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY PROPOSAL. UM, SO WE, UH, HAD A CONVERSATION WITH OUR PURCHASING MANAGER, MR. WORLD, A NEWCOMER, AND WE CONDUCTED, UM, CONTACTED TO CORPORATE, UH, PURCHASING HOW TO IDENTIFY VENDORS. AND WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY 14 POTENTIAL WHEN THERE AND AFTER FINAL REVIEW AND EITHER REVIEW, WE NARROW DOWN TO TWO, UH, VENDORS AND, UH, CAST OUT SUN WAS THE SELECTED, UH, BASED ON HAVING THE CAPABILITY AND THE KNOW HOW TO DESIGN AND BUILD THE SUN CAST IT'S ON FOR WHAT DESIGN MANUFACTURING INSTALLATION ON PROJECT MANAGEMENT SERVICES FOR OUR ARCHITECTURAL SIGNAGE AND GRAPHICS YOU IN 1987 AND GOT BASED IN DALLAS, UH, CAST SIGN OFFER, APPLYING SIGNAGE FEATURING IN THE ELECTRONIC AND A WATCH POINT. THAT'S CHRONIC. IS THERE A SIGN THAT WE HAVE UNDER THE CONFERENCE, BUT WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A WASH BUYER FOR THIS PROJECT. THEY PROVIDE A 10 PIECE SOLUTION THAT, UH, THEY MANUFACTURED ON INTEGRATE SIGN CABINETS AND THE STRUCTURE ENGINEER INSTALLED AND MAINTAIN THE UNITS. AND THEY PROVIDE TRAINING AFTER CONVERSATION AND RECEIVING THE PROPOSAL. THEY HAD TWO DIFFERENT DESIGNS, WHICH ONE WAS THE STEEL SUPPORT, UH, WHICH IS, UH, UH, I KNOW I, I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE THE, UH, SCREENSHOT THAT YOU HAVE WITH YOU, THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAD WITH YOUTH AND THIS ONE, I HAD AN ERROR. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT ONE BECAUSE THERE, THEY HAD OPTION A AND OPTION AA, BUT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO, IT WAS THE SIZE OF THE SIGN INSTEAD OF 10 BY TWO. AND HE WAS 10 BY FOUR, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WAS IDENTICAL THERE ALSO THE SECOND DESIGN THAT THEY HAD WAS CABLED SUPPORTED THAT IT WAS A 10 BY 20 AND 10 BY 40 AFTER, UH, REVISITING WITH THEM AND DO AN ACTUAL DEMO. UH, WE REQUEST THAT, UM, MR. UH, BRIGHT BROWN WHO'S IN THE AUDIENCE. HE, UH, ACTUALLY HE WASN'T EVEN IN COLORADO AND HE HAS TO CHANGE HIS ITINERARY TO BRING THEIR SIGN, TO ADD A SECOND FOR US TO REALLY SEE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING, BECAUSE MY GOAL WAS THAT HALF THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE OR, UH, UH, ESPECIALLY ADVANCED MARKETING DIRECTOR OR AN A PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND HIS TEAM, THEY WOULD SEE THE SIGN THAT THEY COULD LOOK AT IT AND VIEW IT FROM DIFFERENT DISTANCE. THEN THEY GET PUT WITH UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY GET IN DEVELOPMENT. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT RICK DEEP, THAT HE DREW FROM COLORADO ALL THE WAY TO DALLAS TO, UH, SHOW THAT, UH, SIGNED TOURS AND BAKES ON THE COST AND, AND, AND THE DESIGN. WE, UM, CHOSE THE OPTION A, WHICH WAS 10 BY 20 AND WILL BE INSTALLED ON THE CENTIMETER. THIS IS THE ACTUAL ENGINEERING DRAWING THAT HE SHOWS A SPECIFIC OF THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE, AND ALSO THE SAFETY BARRIER THAT, UH, THEY HAVE DESIGNED TO REALLY PROVIDE THE BEST POSSIBLE SAFETY TO DRIVE AROUND ALL [02:45:01] SUPPORT THE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE. UH, OKAY. WHAT SUPPORT WAS, UH, THIS DESIGN THAT, UH, WE DID NOT DECIDE TO GO WITH IT AND, UH, UM, ENGINEERING, UH, DETAILED FOR THAT DESIGN. IT'S, IT'S A DISPLAY HERE. THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN IS, UH, RIGHT CROSSWALK MAGIC TIME MACHINE. AND, UM, THAT WOULD BE INSTALLING THAT MEDIUM. THE PROPOSED BY 20 10 MILLION METERS STILL SUPPORT A CERTAIN MEDIAN COST IS $455,007, AND THERE'S COLLUSION COSTS OR A STREET CLOSURE AND BARRIER, WHICH THANK TO SHANNON. UH, HE SAID HE WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT INTERNALLY. WE A LOCATION OF UTILITY. IF YOU NEED IT, WE ESTIMATE IT WILL BE $8,000. LANDSCAPE CHANGES, TREE REMOVAL, 5,000, THAT ESCAPE REMEDIATION 5,000 AND THEIR PRIOR EXPENSES THAT WE PAID. THE THEM SAFETY ASSESSMENT COSTS WAS $16,810, WHICH TOTAL COMES UNDER $500,000. AND BEFORE, BEFORE I OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR THE QUESTION THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, I WANT TO PUBLICLY THANK SHANNON HAINES AND JANET TIDWELL. BECAUSE WHEN I STARTED THIS PROJECT, I TOLD HIM I STARTED PEER SO THAT I COULD RECOGNIZE THAT THIS PROJECT IS 30% TECHNOLOGY. WE ARE, THE 70% IS STRUCTURED AND DESIGN AND SO ON, BUT THEY REALLY HELPED ME WITH THAT PROCESS TO COME UP WITH THE BEST SOLUTION THAT FIT OUR EXPECTATIONS. UH, WE HAVE GIVEN WONDERFUL WITHOUT THE AMOUNT OF GOOD TO BE ABLE TO PUT IN THIS PROPOSAL TO YOU, AND ALSO WANTING TO REVIEWS, UM, MR. WARREN CASTILE AND BALL, UH, MORE DARK, WHICH STARTED WITH THE CASTLE SIGNS OR IN AUDIENCE, AND ALSO RICK BROWN HE'S IS THE WATCH FIRE. WHO'S THE MANUFACTURER OF THE SIDE WE GOT SAID, UH, I WOULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. QUICK QUESTION. THIS IS THE MOON CAMI WHERE THE NEWS, THIS PROPOSED SOME LOCATION IS COMPARISON TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS BASICALLY RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE FURTHER EAST, RIGHT. IT'S SQUARE AGENCY. YES. IN A MEDIUM. I LIKE IT THIS FURTHER OFF AND HARD INTERSECTION THERE BECAUSE THE LESS CHANCE OF SOMEBODY. OKAY. AND THAT WAS PART OF THIS STUDY THAT THEY DID FOR US. AND THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION BASED ON ALL THIS STUDY THAT YOU GET DIFFERENT STRUCTURE. IF WE GET ALL THE ACCIDENT BEFORE AND LITERATURE THAT THEY HAD FROM DIFFERENT ENTITIES AND THEY CAME UP, WE GOT THIS STANCE TO KEEP IT AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION. THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION. IF YOU'D SAY MORE ABOUT THAT SAFETY STUDY. I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? WHAT WAS REALLY IN THE SAFETY STUDY? $16,000. I MEAN, THEY, THEY, THEY LOOK AT, UH, THEY STUDIED ALL THE LITERATURE AT THE FEDERAL STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL AND LOOK AT WHAT IT COULD FIT WITHIN THAT, UH, DESIGN. AND THEY LOOK AT DIFFERENT STRUCTURE TYPE THAT WOULD GO OVER THE BELT LINE AND WOULD NOT OVERWHELM, AND ALSO WOULD BE POOR. WHY THE SAFETY AND THE, UH, DESIRE THAT WE HAVE FOR THE DISPLAY. AND, UH, THEY, THEY REALLY GAVE ME A LOT OF LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC FLOW. THEY'LL LOOK AT THE SPEED. THEY, THEY DECIDED THAT, UH, BASED ON ALL OF THOSE STUDIES THAT THEY DONE, THEY SUGGESTED THE RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S WHAT THEY DID FOR US. THEY DID A LOT OF, UH, RESEARCH THAT WE GET A LOT OF CASES STUDY, UH, THAT WAS THEIR RESULT OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. I WAS RAISED TO GIVE YOU THE PHONE OPTION B MONEY, OR WAS IT THE COMBINATION? IT WAS COMBINATION OF THINGS. MONEY WAS THE MAJOR, UH, DECISION BECAUSE HE WAS OVER ALMOST A HUNDRED THOUSAND MORE THAN WHAT WAS THE BUDGET. ALSO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, GO BACK TO THEM IN THIS DESIGN, UH, WE, WE, WE WERE KIND OF WORRIED ABOUT THAT. WE GO OUT OF OUR WHITE RIGHT AWAY AND WE HAVE TO GO TO THE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, THE PRIVATE, UH, UM, AREA. AND ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SAFETY AND THE DESIGN OF THESE, THE POSSIBILITY OF THE ACCIDENT AND DAMAGING THE SIGN, EACH MORE THAN JUST ONE PLACE THAT THE OPTION AIDS FOR AWHILE, UM, THOSE ARE, THERE WERE CONCERNED ALSO WHEN WE HAD A WALKTHROUGH WITH ALL THE INVOLVED PARTY, INCLUDING ENCORE, THEY WERE REALLY HESITANT WITH THIS, UH, DESIGN BECAUSE IT WAS GETTING CLOSE TO THEIR, UH, ELECTRIC BLIND. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO GO THERE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS GETTING OVERHEAD [02:50:01] CABLES REMOVED ON THE OTHER END OF THE BELTLINE, ADD SOMEONE, THIS WAS AN OVERHEAD SIGN BRIDGE CONSIDERED. I KNOW IT WAS CONSIDERING NOW SAFETY ASSESSOR MORNING. YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? YES. UH, OVERHEAD BRIDGE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE OVERHEAD BRIDGE WASHINGTON CENTER, THAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU TOOK A LOOK AT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAD BEEN MENTIONED IN THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THE RFP, UM, BRIDGE HAD THE SAME PROBLEM WITH ENCORE, PROBABLY A WORSE PROBLEM. WE HAD TO GO HIGHER FOR THE BRIDGE. ONE OF THE, AND THE CABLE SYSTEM, WE WERE ABLE TO COME DOWN ON THE SIDES AND THEN GO UP, UH, THE BRIDGE WOULD HAVE BEEN, I THINK, ACTUALLY INTO THE WIRES. AND, UH, FRANKLY IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AN INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SIGN. AND THERE WERE SOME THOUGHTS THAT MAYBE THE DESIGN WE'D HAVE WITH THE BENT STEEL POSTS WAS MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, OR SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS YOU HAVE THE ARCH BRIDGE. UH, THE, THE CIRCLE IS ALL THE PIPES. INTERESTINGLY, THE COMPANY THAT WILL DO THE PIPE MENDING THE SAME ONE THAT DID ALL OF THAT FOR THE CANNIBIS. IS THAT ENOUGH? THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. OTHER QUESTION ON THE, UH, ON SIZES FROM 21 TO 40, I THINK THAT YOU THOUGHT THOSE IS UP ON THE SAME SIZE FOR 10, IF YOU ADOPT ACTUALLY THE VISUALIZATION OF IT BACK THERE ON THE CARPET. SO THE QUESTION, THE QUESTION IS, CAN YOU TELL US, JUST TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BOTTLE OF WINE FROM PRODUCE FROM A 40 20, WHAT YOUR CONSIDERATIONS WERE THERE? WHY THE 20 WAS OKAY. THAT'S SUGGESTION. I'M SORRY. THAT WAS A SUGGESTION THAT CAME FROM THE DESIGNER. AND ALSO IT WAS THE COST. UM, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO LOOK AT THE STATEMENTS IN BUDGET. THAT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM. PLUS THE 10 BY FORTIES IS EXTREMELY HUGE BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO BE LARGER. THIS IS ABOUT 10 BY EIGHT. SO THE WIDTH IS 10. MAYBE THERE'S WHITE PAPER BACK HERE. THAT'S KIND OF RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S GOTTA TO BE TWICE. I HAVE, SORRY. ONE MORE SAFETY, SAFETY QUESTION. I'M ASSUMING I'VE HAD SOME EXPERIENCES WITH BIG, OLD PERIOD SIGNS BEFORE IN THAT WHEN WE PUT UP AN IMAGE, IT'S GOING TO BE STATIC FOR, I MEAN, THAT'S OUR OWN INTERNAL THING. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A CONTINUALLY CHANGING THING. OKAY. BECAUSE WE DID BECAUSE IT WAS TOO MUCH, IT WAS TOO BUSY AND PEOPLE WERE DISTRACTED AND THEY WERE FLIPPING. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S CERTAINLY A CONCERN AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THAT PART OF THE TEMPTATION WILL BE IS EVERYBODY WHEN THEY SEE THE SIGN, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, WOW, THIS IS AWESOME. LET ME ADVERTISE ON IT. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF SAYING NO TO THAT, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE SAFETY CONCERNS. WHY DON'T YOU UTILIZE IT FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE? AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOVERN THAT AND DON'T GET A LOT OF PRESSURE FROM PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO HAVE THEIR PRETTY PICTURE OUT THERE. AND SO PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THE MORE YOU, THE MORE, THE MORE OFTEN MORE FREQUENTLY YOU TURN OVER THE IMAGE, THE MORE YOU CAN FIT ON THERE. RIGHT? SO IF WE'RE COGNIZANT DISCIPLINE AND NOT DOING THAT, WE CAN KEEP A FIXED IMAGE FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME AND HAVE THAT, UM, UH, NOT CHANGE, YOU KNOW, IT CAN CONTROL THE SPEED OF THE CHANGE OF THE IMAGE, ONE OF THE OTHER. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S PROBLEMATIC. THE OTHER THING TOO, CORRECT ME IF I REMEMBER INCORRECTLY, BUT THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WHEN IT'S NIGHTTIME, YOU CAN ADJUST THE BRIGHTNESS SO THAT IT'S NOT AS BLINDING TO DRIVERS. SO THAT IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE COGNIZANT OF THAT TOO. WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO NOT BE ABLE TO SEE AND THEN HURRYING OFF THE JOKES. YEAH. YEAH. SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY 7,000 MINUTES DURING THE DAY. SO IT SLIDES, SORRY. YEAH. STAY WITH NATE. YEAH. I'M SORRY. I'M WEARING BROWN. I'M A WATCH BUYER, UH, FLEET, UH, TERRITORY REP, UH, REP FOR THIS AREA. UH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. UH, SO, SO DURING THE DAY, OBVIOUSLY WE, IT'S GOTTA TO BE BRIGHT ENOUGH TO SEE IT IN THE SUN. UH, IT'LL GO THROUGH A SERIES [02:55:01] OF DEMING AS, AS, AS IT, AS NINE, PAUL COMES IN AND IT'LL DROP DOWN ABOUT 9%. SO ABOUT 700 MINUTES AT NIGHT. SO IT'S TOTALLY LEGIBLE AT 99 KILLING HIM. CAUSE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, BUT STAYED FULL-TIME IT WOULD JUST BLAIR BLOW THE IMAGE OUT IN BLIND PEOPLE. SO IT'S A PRETTY GOOD. SO YOUR CROP, YOUR CONFIDENCE WITH THE WESTERN YEAH. DURING THE DEMONSTRATION WE DID FOR THESE GUYS, WE, WE, WE MOVED AROUND A LITTLE BIT AND THEN SINCE SEEN A LOT OF THAT FIRSTHAND, I THINK YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS , SO YOU'RE A HUNDRED FEET. WE WENT BACK AND LOOK AT IT, BOTH SIDES OF THE VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE SUN AND ALL THAT STEPS ARE SHIT. HOLD ON. THE WARRANTY, A FIVE-YEAR A FIVE-YEAR ON ALL THE PARTS, NO LABOR, UH, LABOR INCLUDED IS ONE YEAR OF LABOR. UH, WE CAN, UH, EXTEND THAT, UH, ALMOST TO ANY, WELL, WHAT YOU WANT. WE OFTEN DO THAT TWO, THREE, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. OKAY. BUT RIGHT NOW THE QUOTATION INCLUDED ONE YEAR LABOR BY IT. ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS, UH, ONE GOOD THING. UH, WHEN I LEFT THE OFFICE TODAY, EVEN WITH THE EIGHT MINUTE AT FIVE 15, IT TOOK ME 12 MINUTES TO GET HERE. SO WE'RE CLOSE. OKAY. DOES DO THE JERSEY BARRIERS, ARE THEY NOT CONSIDERED AN OPTION? WE MAY HAVE CANCELED. WE DID NOT GET TO THAT LEVEL. WE DO OPTION B BECAUSE WE WERE JUST OUT OF OUR BUDGET. AND, UH, AS, AS I EXPLAINED, SOME OF THE CONSECRATION WE HAD, WE, WE DIDN'T THINK EVEN IF YOU PROVIDE THE BEST BARRIER, STILL, YOU HAVE FOUR AREAS. OF COURSE, ONE AREA THAT COULD CAUSE YOU ACCIDENT AND FAILURE OF THE SYSTEM, BUT THAT'S WITH ITS STRUCTURE IS ALREADY SAFE ENOUGH. YEAH. SHANNON PROBABLY HE'S THE VOICE OF AUTHORITY. HE REALLY HELPED, UH, US IN THAT CHANNEL. YOU WANT TO, UH, CHUBBY SHOT ME A LITTLE BIT FOR THE VOICE COUNCIL IS SHANNON X DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING SERVICES. ONE OF OUR BIG CONCERNS WAS, UH, OR AUTOMOBILES POTENTIALLY HITTING THAT BIG PYLON IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MEDIAN. AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THE OTHER, UH, STREET LIGHTS DOWN BELTLINE, THEY TEND TO GET YET. SO WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE MANUFACTURER AND THEIR TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO DESIGN THE, UH, THE JERSEY BARRIER SYSTEM TO BE, UH, NOT ONLY AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, BUT TO PROTECT THE SIGN AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC AS WELL. OH, JUST THE COLOR, THE COLOR LOOKS SIMILAR TO THE BLUEPRINTS BLUE. YEAH. THE COLOR OF THE SIGN IS IDENTICAL. THAT WILL BE THE COLOR. DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT COLOR. REAL CLEAR ON THE COLOR. YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE POLES THEY GO UP. THE PLAN IS TO HAVE THAT. WHAT COLOR MR. PASS THING BLEW IT ALL THE OTHER CAN YOU TURN TO PAGE 11? OKAY. AND, UM, BUT UM, ON THOSE TREES, I THINK THE PRESENTATION SAYS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REMOVE TWO TREES. IS THAT TREE COVERAGE THAT'S THERE ON THE X? IS THAT, IS THAT TWO TREES OR IS THAT THERE ARE FOUR TREES THERE. OKAY. EVERYBODY SHOULD EXPECT US TO LOSE FOUR TREES. WE WILL TRY TO KEEP TWO, BUT DON'T YOU NEED TO EXPECT TO LOSE FOUR TREES, BUT MAYBE THE THOUGHT IS WE TRY TO SAVE TOO. AND THEN THE SIDE WOULD BE OVER THE OTHER TWO. IS THAT, SO THE TREES, I DON'T SEE HOW THE TREE IS. I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE HOW WE'LL KEEP THE TREES, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY OUR BEST. BUT AGAIN, EVERYBODY SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE THAT NOBODY SHOULD BE DISAPPOINTED IF WE LOSE ALL FOUR TREES, THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN. OUR GOAL IS TO SAVE TWO TREAT, BUT IF WE COULDN'T, BUT I JUST, I WAS TRYING TO PICTURE, UM, TWO TREES AND THE SIGN AND HOW, I MEAN, THAT'S MASSIVE, BUT IT PUTS IT INTO MORE PERSPECTIVE TO ME. HOW MASSIVE ARE [03:00:01] YOU STUDYING? THAT'D BE SHOOTING, REMOVE THE TREES THAT GET MORE IMPRESSION. I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THE PROPOSED PLAN. I JUST, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW, HOW YOU WOULD KEEP ANY TREES RIGHT THERE. IF YOU PUT, IF YOU PUT IT RIGHT THERE, WE JUST DO OUR BEST EFFORTS TO UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WE'RE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THIS TOO. I DON'T THINK THAT HE TRIED TO PRESERVE THOSE TRUTHS AND THE STEEL CABLE TUTORS. SO YEAH, DON'T WORRY. AND I LOVE THE THOUGHT OF, UH, OF A DIGITAL BILLBOARD AND I LOVE THE THOUGHT EVEN MORE WITH IT ON THE TOLL WAY. UM, JUST HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF EYEBALLS THAT WOULD SEE THAT. AND SO I'M GONNA ASK A REAL DUMB QUESTION. WOULD THIS, THIS BEING A BOND ELECTION ITEM, IS THIS MANDATORY THAT WE SPENT HALF, HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO PUT IT ON BELTLINE? WELL, YOU ASKED YOU THAT QUESTIONS. SO IS IT MANDATORY THAT YOU SPEND THE MONEY BECAUSE IT'S BOND PROGRAM? THE ANSWER IS NO, BUT IF YOU DON'T DO WHAT THE VOTERS STUDY TO DO, YOU'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THOSE CONSEQUENCES. THAT'S NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO. UM, I BELIEVE, I MEAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I BELIEVE THE INTENT WAS THE SIDE WAS GOING TO REPLACE THE BANNERS THAT GO OVER. AND SO SAFETY, ALL THAT ITS LOCATION IS INTENDED TO COMPLY WITH THE INTENT OF WHAT THE VOTERS APPROVED. SO TACTICALLY, I THINK IT COULD POSSIBLY MOVE, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO EXPLAIN AGAIN WHY YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE VOTERS IN X ANTICIPATED BY THEIR CASTING, THEIR VOTE 10 YEARS AGO. YES. VICE CHAIR COMMITTEE. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE COMMUNITIES. SO IS THERE, IT'S A TYPE OF POLICY THAT IF THIS MOVES FORWARD AND WITH RESPECT KIND OF A POLICY FOR ACTUAL, WHAT GETS DISPLAYED IS BE A CONVERSATION WE HAVE. WELL, THE ANSWER IS YES, THERE'S GOING TO BE A POLICY, BUT IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A COUNCIL POLICY. SO UNLESS THE COUNCIL WANTS TO BE IN THE BUSINESS OF DETERMINING WHO VOTES, WHO, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT GOES ON A BILLBOARD. SO IT'S A MANAGEMENT. YES. SHE DID TAKE CARE OF THAT. NOW I'M SURE THAT THERE'LL BE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO ANSWER, WHICH WE'LL BE PREPARED TO ANSWER. BUT I WAS INTENDING FOR THAT TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE HANDED HANDLE THIS STAFF LEVEL. LET'S KEEP IT IN THE OPERATION. THAT'S ABOUT DAVID, BUT I JUST WONDER IT WAS APPROVED IN 2012, FIVE, WAIT UNTIL ALMOST 10 YEARS LATER, EIGHT AT LEAST EIGHT YEARS, LIKE DOING THE SIX YEARS. MANY OF THEM DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. WELL, MY REAL OPINION IS THAT YOU TELL THE STORY, SPEAKING OF THE TIME, WHEN DO YOU SEE THIS ACTUALLY BEAT UP, UH, FOUR TODAY? FOUR TO SIX MONTHS. AND, AND YEAH. YEAH, IT WOULD BE BASED ON US. IF WE GIVE ENOUGH THUMBS UP TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK FOR THE NEXT MEETING FOR ACTION COUNCIL ACTION. AND THEN FOUR TO SIX MONTHS THEN JUNE, JULY, JUNE, JULY. YEAH. YES. ALL RIGHT. AND THE WHOLE QUESTION, OUR GROUP IS OPTIONAL. RECOMMENDATION. WE'RE GOOD. WE HAVE A CONSENSUS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LEAVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YEAH. AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, HAVE A 12 MINUTE DRIVE HOME NOW. ALL RIGHT. UM, THAT'S CONTAINED, [ Announcements and Acknowledgments Regarding Town and Council Events and Activities Discussion of Meetings / Events] UH, SAY A FEW WORDS. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, A GOOD EVENING. JUST DO ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR TONIGHT. NUMBER ONE, A REMINDER THAT THEY WERE A BIG WAY ROAD REVITALIZATION PROJECT IS SLATED TO BEGIN VERY SOON. THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS YOU CAN GET UPDATES ON THE PROJECT, WHICH WILL BEGIN AT THE INTERSECTION OF MIDWAY ROAD AND THE BELTLINE ROAD. YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE TO, UH, THE TOWNS, UH, TO OUR EMAIL LIST ON OUR WEBSITE AT ADDISON, TEXAS.NET FORWARD SLASH MIDWAY, OR YOU CAN TEXT THE WORD NEW WAY TO EIGHT, EIGHT, EIGHT, SEVEN, SEVEN, SEVEN TO REGISTER FOR TEXT UPDATES. WE ALSO HAVE BUSINESS CARDS WITH QR CODES ON THEM THAT ARE AVAILABLE EITHER TO THE COUNCIL TO PASS OUT. OR WE TRY TO MAKE THAT SOMETHING THAT OUR STAFF IS PASSING OUT. IF ANYBODY IS WATCHING THIS, WHO WANTS TO DO ONE OF THOSE JUST CONTACT TOWN HALL, AND WE WILL SEND THAT OUT TO YOU. SO, UH, [03:05:01] WE STILL HAVE PLENTY OF THOSE CARS WITH THE QR CODES ON THE REMAINING, AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S PATIENCE DURING THIS IMPORTANT PROJECT. AGAIN, WHEN IT STARTS VERY, VERY SOON, IT'S GOING TO BE A THREE-YEAR PROJECT. IT WILL BE DISRUPTIVE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR VERY BEST TO COMMUNICATE AND MAKE IT AS DIS AS, AS TO MINIMIZE THE DISRUPTIVENESS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO THAT'S OUR FIRST, UH, ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THE EVENING. MY LAST ONE IS RELATED TO COVID-19 VACCINES. WE KNOW THAT RESIDENTS WANT AS MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT THE COVID-19 VACCINE AS POSSIBLE. UH, WE'VE CREATED A VACCINE PAGE ON OUR WEBSITE THAT INCLUDES ELITES AND PHONE NUMBERS TO LOCAL COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENTS. OR YOU CAN REGISTER AS WELL AS LINKS TO AREA HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS AND LOCAL PROVIDERS THAT ARE OFFERING VACCINES AS WELL. AGAIN, IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION, UH, ABOUT THAT VISITOR, UH, WEBSITE, ADDISON, TEXAS.NET, YOU CAN REGISTER THERE FOR THE VACCINE, OR YOU CAN REGISTER FOR THE VACCINE ON MORE THAN ONE WAITING LIST. SO, UM, KEEP THAT IN MIND. UH, BUT, UH, THOSE ARE ALL MY, UH, ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THIS EVENING, MAYOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BY THE WAY, OUR, UH, DISCUSS WITH YOU. AND THEN, UH, THOUGHTS, COMMISSIONER, JUDGE, AND COACH CAUGHT ME THIS AFTERNOON AND TRYING TO SET UP THAT TENT NFL PEOPLE TO REGISTER, TO GET A VACCINE. SO, UM, HE SAID BY DOING SO WELL, ACTUALLY GUY, THE SPEED IF YOU ARRESTED OUR MIND. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, SO I WAS JUST GOING TO COMMENT ON THAT. YEAH. THE MAYOR MENTIONED THAT TONIGHT, I'M GOING TO LOOK INTO WHAT THE DETAILS ARE. WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE MAYOR IS SAYING IS THIS IS NOT FOR VACCINES TO GET VACCINES, BUT ACTUALLY TO REGISTERS, TO GET VACCINE. SO I DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NOT CONFUSION THERE. AND AGAIN, JUST WONDERED ABOUT IT TODAY. SO NEED TO GET SOME MORE DETAILS ON THAT AND WE'LL BE FOLLOWING ON THAT BROTHER. YES, SIR. I HAVE [ Public Comment The City Council invites citizens to address the City Council on any matter, including items on the agenda, except public hearings that are included on the agenda. Comments related to public hearings will be heard when the specific hearing starts. Citizen comments are limited to three (3) minutes, unless otherwise required by law. To address the Council, please fill out a City Council Appearance Card and submit it to a staff member prior to the Public Comment item on the agenda. The Council is not permitted to take any action or discuss any item not listed on the agenda. The Council may choose to place the item on a future agenda.] STRAIGHT PEOPLE SOUND TO SPEAK IN THE OPEN MIC, SO I HAVEN'T TRACY STEWART AND, UH, JEFF PETERSON AND ALSO, UH, UH, SEAN AND STEPHANIE AND MORE SO, UH, YOU'LL WANT TO MAKE COMMENT DOING THE, THE ITEM WE DISCUSS. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT NOW, THEN YOUR PROPERTIES? I CAN POSTPONE IT TO THE ITEM ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, SO YOU WANT TO DO IT NOW? THIS IS FINE. WE'RE GOING TO WAIT TO WAIT FOR THE AGENDA ITEM. I THINK THE AGENDA PROBABLY IS BETTER. I CAN'T DO THAT. OKAY. SO, UH, EVEN THOUGH FOR SHAUNA, STEPHANIE BOARD WE'LL DO THE SAME, RIGHT? [ Consent Agenda All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the City Council and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.] OKAY. HOW SAID THAT? AGENDA ITEM THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX. WHY HAVE ANYTHING TO BE INVOLVED? INTERNET ITEM SIX. OKAY. FOUR, THREE, FOUR, FIVE. WE'LL HAVE A MOTION TO A MOTION AND A SECOND PHONE CALL ONE TO MOVE ITEM THREE, FOUR, FIVE. IF YOU APPROVED THAT, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. OKAY. ITEM [6. Consider Action on a Resolution Approving an Agreement Between the Town of Addison and Epicenter Productions, LLC for Stage, Sound, & Lighting Production for Addison Special Events and Authorizing the City Manager to Execute the Agreement in an Amount not to Exceed $289,500. ] SIX, MAYOR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. I, UH, PULL THIS ITEM SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT. THERE'S SEEMS TO BE SOME, SOME INFORMATION THAT WAS SENT TODAY TO THE TOWN AND WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD ADDRESS THE STAFF SOME OPPORTUNITY TO OPT-IN TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE SENT TODAY. HAVE JASMINE LEE ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT JUST TO SUMMARIZE AT THREE O'CLOCK THIS AFTERNOON, WE RECEIVED A EMAIL, UH, BY THE, UM, THE, THE APP THAT THERE WERE TWO PROPOSALS THAT WERE SUBMITTED. THE UNSUCCESSFUL PROPOSER SENT AN EMAIL QUESTIONING THE METHODOLOGY THAT WAS USED TO SCORE. UM, THE PROPOSALS. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, JASMINE LEE, SPECIAL EVENTS DIRECTOR. AND, UM, SO THE ITEMS SPECIFICALLY IN QUESTION, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING REGARDING THE PROPOSAL IS HOW THE QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE ITEM ASPECT OF THIS WAS, UM, WAS GRANTED. AND SO WE HAD A COMMITTEE OF MULTIPLE STAFF MEMBERS WITH AREAS, COMPETENCIES THAT DID THE, UH, REVIEW HERE. AND WE HAVE HISTORICALLY WORKED WITH, UH, ONSTAGE AND THEY'D DONE OUR EVENTS FOR SEVERAL YEARS THAT THEY INDICATED, AND WE FOUND THEM TO BE A VERY QUALIFIED COMPANY. HOWEVER, IN TERMS OF THIS PART OF THE QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED THEM TO SUBMIT AN INVOICE DETAILING THE EQUIPMENT THAT WILL BE PROVIDED PER [03:10:01] THE TERMS OF THE RFP WITHIN THEIR SUBMITTAL. THERE WERE SEVERAL ITEMS, SPECIFICALLY, ONE VERY LARGE ITEMS THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THEIR PROPOSAL. IN FACT, THEY ACTUALLY DETAILED IN THEIR OPENING LETTER THAT THEY DID NOT QUOTE A ROOFTOP FOR ADDISON OKTOBERFEST AND THAT THEY COULD NOT DO SO AND FIT WITHIN OUR NOT TO EXCEED BUDGET AMOUNTS. UH, ALL OF THE OTHER BITTERS, WE HAD FOUR BEDROOMS IN TOTAL ON THAT ASPECT OF THE RFP AND THE OTHER THREE BEDS ALL WERE COMPLETE PEDS THAT DID INCLUDE THAT ROOFTOP QUOTE UNDERNEATH THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT. AND SO ONSTAGE WAS DOCKED TWO POINTS ON THEIR QUALIFICATION SECTION BECAUSE WE INVOICES THAT THEY SUBMITTED TO US, WE HAD, WE ADDED IN THE COST OF THE ITEMS THAT THEY DID NOT INCLUDE TO THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT THEY SUBMITTED. THEY WOULD HAVE EXCEEDED OUR NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT BY OVER 20,000. NO, THAT WAS THE PURPOSE FOR THE DIFFERENCE IN THE SCORING ON THAT ITEM. UM, ANOTHER ITEM THAT THEY DID MENTION WAS THE ACCESS TO EQUIPMENT AND THAT THEY OWNED EQUIPMENT. AND SOME OTHER BUTTERS DID NOT. OUR SPECIFICATIONS DID NOT REQUIRE VENDORS TO OWN THE EQUIPMENT SIMPLY TO OWN OR PROVE THAT THEY HAD ACCESS TO ALL EQUALLY AND BOTH OF THEM, THEY BOTH OF THOSE BITTERS. SO THEY WERE BOTH GRANTED THE FULL 10 POINTS. CAN YOU, UH, THANK YOU. CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT A ROOFTOP IS? SO WHEN YOU BROUGHT THE TASTE ADDISON OR ADDISON OKTOBERFEST, THERE'S A LARGE ROOF OVER TOP OF THE STAGE. IT'S A VERY LARGE STRUCTURE. IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BUILD IT UP AND IT HAS TO SUPPORT ALL THE SOUND AND THE LIGHTING AND WHATNOT. UH, WE ASKED FOR THEM TO INCLUDE A BID FOR THAT AT OKTOBERFEST AS WELL. AND THAT IS THE ITEM THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RFP. WELL QUESTION. SO, UH, I GUESS NOW YOU MAY HAVE ANSWERED THIS. I THINK YOU DID ROLE THE REQUESTED P ITEMS RESPONDED TO BOTH. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ONE DAY, AND THAT'S WHY THEY LOST THE POINTS, CORRECT PRODUCTION AND PRODUCTION. THE LAST POINTS ON PRODUCTION. ONE, THEY WERE NOT DOCKED ANY POINTS ON PRODUCTION TOO, BECAUSE THEY DID SUBMIT A COMPLETE INVOICE ACCOUNTING FOR ALL REQUESTS. FINAL QUESTIONS. CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO ON YOUR STAFF, HOW TO DO SCORING AND SOME OF THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH THE EVENTS? YEAH, SO THE SCORING WAS CONDUCTED BY MYSELF, THE SPECIAL EVENT SUPERVISOR WHO IS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR INTERACTING WITH THIS VENDOR IN THE SCOPE OF THEIR WORK. THEY MANAGE OUR STAGE SOUND ADVANCE AS WELL AS OUR THEATER CENTER SUPERVISOR, WHO HAS DIRECT EXPERIENCE WITH AUDIO VISUAL EQUIPMENT AND WAS ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS OF THE, OH, WE DID HAVE WELL NEWCOMER FROM PURCHASING THERE AS WELL TO OVERSEE THE PROCESS AND ENSURE THAT ALL SCORING WAS ALIGNED WITH THE TOWN'S EXPECTATION. OKAY. YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, MAYOR? SO YEAH, GO AHEAD. I HAVE ONE, IT WASN'T MINE. SOMEONE ELSE SAID IT TO ME TODAY. IS THERE ANY PROVISION THAT IF, FOR EXAMPLE, IT TAKES TO PASS THE WORD HEALTH, HOW WOULD, HOW WOULD THAT PLAY THROUGH THIS CONTRACT? YES. SO THE CONTRACTS CANCELLATION POLICY IS THAT IF WE WERE TO CANCEL AN ORDER, AT LEAST 30 DAYS, THERE WOULD BE NO COSTS. UM, WE WOULD NOT LOSE ANY MONEY ON THAT EVENT. IF IT WERE TO BE LESS THAN 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE, IT WOULD DEFAULT TO THE VENDORS, UH, CANCELLATION POLICY, WHICH STATES THAT IF THERE HAD BEEN A DEPOSIT PAID, WHICH IS NOT NORMALLY THE CASE WITH THIS VENDOR, THAT LESS THAN 30 DAYS, THEY WOULD KEEP THAT DEPOSIT. ONCE WE GOT TO 10 DAYS, WE WOULD OWE 25% OF THE TOTAL ORDER. AND ONCE THEIR TRUCKS LEAVE THE SHOP, WE OWE 100%. THANK YOU. YEAH. I'LL FIND THAT OUT AS THE AMISH TERMINATION CROSS. YEAH. SO, UH, WITH ALL THAT EMOTION, ONE SECOND, SORRY. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. BOTH MOST CAN LEAVE YOU ON [7. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on an Ordinance Amending Chapter 78 Traffic and Vehicles, Section 78-165 (b) Designation of No Parking and Permitted Parking Areas of the Code of Ordinances by Amending Locations Related to Permitted Parking Areas on Spectrum Drive and Surveyor Boulevard. ] A REGULAR AURECON, UH, ITEM SEVEN, PRESENT DISCUSSED CONSIDER ACTION, CHAPTER 78, TRAFFIC AND VEHICLES SECTION 78, ONE 65 B DESIGNATION OF NO PARKING AND COMMITTEE, THE PARKING AREAS. LOCATIONS RELATED TO PERMITTED SPECTRUM DRIVE AND ALSO SEVERE BLOOD [03:15:01] WORK. I ALSO WANT TO GET OUR POWERPOINT SLIDE. THANK YOU. AMERICA COUNCIL, PAUL SMITH, THE CHIEF OF POLICE WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO ASK FOR, OR OUR PARKING ORDINANCE. AS THE MAYOR, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED TWO SECTIONS OF STREETS THAT ARE NOT LISTED IN OUR CURRENT STATUTE. PROHIBITING PARKING ON STREET PARKING THREE, 2:00 AM, AND 6:00 AM. THESE SECTIONS OF ROADWAYS ARE 14, EIGHT, 12 THROUGH 14, EIGHT, TWO SEVEN SURVEYOR BOULEVARD. AND THEN ALSO 14 503, EXCUSE ME, 15 400 FOR 5,500 BLOCKS OF SPECTRUM DRIVE. I'VE GOT A MAP TO, JUST FOR A REFERENCE FOR YOU VERY QUICKLY. UH, THE UNLISTED PORTION OF SPECTRUM DRIVE THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO CORRECT THE FIRST 5,400 BLOCK, WHICH YOU CAN SEE THAT'S IN THE RED ON THE POWERPOINT SLIDE. THIS IS THE AREA BETWEEN ARAPAHOE ROAD ROAD, NORTH TO THE RAILROAD RIGHT AWAY. UH, THIS PARKING ALONG STREET PARKING THAT IS CURRENTLY NOT POSTED NO PARKING BETWEEN TWO AND SIX AND ALSO IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE. NOW WHILE 15 500 AND YELLOW ON THE POWERPOINT SLIDE DOES HAVE SOME SIGNAGE THERE WE'RE HAVING TO, THEY HAVE THE 6:00 AM TO REALIZE THAT IT WAS NOT LISTED IN THE ORDINANCE. WE NEED TO CORRECT THAT. MOVING TO SURVEYOR, THAT MUSTARD PORTION OF THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA BETWEEN BELTWAY DRIVE AND MORMON LANE. THIS IS THE ONLY RESIDENTIAL AREA WITHIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE ON STREET. PARKING IS CURRENTLY NOT ALLOWED AT ANY TIME. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THIS PARKING BAIT YOU MAKE CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IT WOULD BE HONORARY PARKING EXCEPT BETWEEN 2:00 AM AND 6:00 AM. SO THE ORDER CHANGE WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THAT. SO WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS HAPPY ANSWERING QUESTIONS, KEVIN, ANY INSIGHT AS TO WHY THESE WERE SET UP, DO YOU THINK IT WAS JUST AN OVERSIGHT? SO EMBARRASSINGLY I'VE BEEN HERE 25 YEARS AND I'VE JUST KNOCKED OUT. SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ON THE MIDSECTION SURVEYOR ON THE SEX INSPECTION SECTION OF SPECTRUM. IT'S VERY PROBLEMATIC NOT HAVING THAT ORDINANCE IN EFFECT DURING OUR SPECIAL EVENTS, BECAUSE WE CAN'T KEEP PEOPLE FROM PARKING THERE WHERE WE BLOCKED IN ADVANCE IN FOR OUR EVENTS THAT MAKE OUR VICTORY EVENTS ON A SET OF YES, SIR. AND THEN WE ALSO GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS OR THERE ARE PEOPLE USING THAT AS ON-STREET STORAGE FOR VEHICLES THAT LIVE IN ADDISON CIRCLE. SO WE HAVE NO TEETH AND THE ORDERS RIGHT NOW TO REMEDY THAT COMPLAINT OVER SURVEYOR APPRENTICE IS, UH, A, UH, REDFIELD HOUSE. SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS CAUGHT THEM, YOU KNOW, UH, FACIL BY DOING THIS, UH, AT LEAST PEOPLE CANNOT APART BETWEEN TWO AND A SIX IS GOOD OR BAD. IT MAY BE GOOD FOR THEM, FOR THE NEIGHBORS SURVEYOR. DID YOU SAY THEY CANNOT PARK THERE ANYTIME OR THEY CAN'T PARK THERE? TWO, SIX, EIGHT, OUR PARKING ORDINANCE LISTS? NO, ON-STREET PARKING AT ANY TIME, UNLESS YOU'RE ADDED TO THE ORDINANCE THAT SPECIFIES TWO TO 6:00 AM PROHIBITED. SO THIS WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO THERE DURING THE DAY BETWEEN SIX OH ONE AND, UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S NO PARKING ANYTIME. YES, SIR. SO THAT'S NOT POSTED ON THAT AS YOU'RE THERE. AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH USE HARD NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT AREA. EVERYBODY HAS TWO TO SIX, SO WE, IF THIS WERE PASSED, WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY ADD THAT SIGN AND JUST MOVE APPROVAL ITEMS. ALL IN FAVOR. SAY AYE, OPPOSE. I COULD HAVE A NUMBER [8. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on a Resolution Appointing Individuals to the Community Partners Bureau.] EIGHT RESOLUTION I CAN TELL IT'S IT'S GETTING CLOSER TO THE END OF THE MEETING. AND THAT WAS AWFUL QUICK. MAYOR COLE WAS ALMOST RUNNING, UH, THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS BUREAU IS A COMMITTEE THAT THE TOWN HAS IS THE CITY COUNCIL IS ESTABLISHED. UM, AND THESE INDIVIDUALS ON THE BUREAU SERVICE REPRESENTATIVES, UH, OR LIAISON TO THE NONPROFIT, UH, ENTITIES, [03:20:01] IF THE TOWN ENTERS INTO AGREEMENTS FOR SERVICES FOR NON PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, UM, IT'S TIME TO A POINT AND WE HAVE FOUR OPENINGS. UH, EACH PLACE HAS A EXPIRATION DATE. UH, AN APPOINTMENT DATE IS OF COURSE TODAY. UH, YOU HAVE, BEFORE YOU ARE LIST OF MEMBERS ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT APPLIED FOR THOSE POSITIONS AND THE COMMITTEES THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN, UH, REPRESENTING RECOMMENDATION. I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND AND HOW THE PROFESSOR SAYS SHE'S BEEN DOING IT. SHE'S DISTINGUISHED HERSELF THERE AND WAS RECOGNIZED BY THAT ORGANIZATION. SO I WOULDN'T PUT HER FORWARD. AND I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS HER. I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND FOR THE FAMILY PLACE, ANNA MARIA RAMPTON, UM, I'VE SPOKEN WITH HER AND, UH, WE'VE GOT A YOUNG LADY THAT'S EAGER TO SERVE. AND SHE ALSO, UH, CURRENTLY WORKS WITH PARAGON HEALTH CARE. AND I THINK SHE SHE'D BE A REALLY FUN LIAISON FOR THE FAMILY PLACE. AND THEN MARIA, BRANDON FENTON FOR THE FABRY PLACE. YES, SIR. CAMERA'S WITH COLLEAGUES PAIN FOR THE CAT LADY SHE'S INVOLVED WITH, UH, CAT RESCUE. SO SHE'S WITH HER, SHE'S EXPRESSED A KEEN INTEREST IN THIS, FOR THIS POSITION. OKAY. I WOULD LOVE TO PUT, SO IT'S DEFINITELY BAD AND FLIP DOTS, KELLY AND MERRILL. I'D LIKE TO PUT FORTH KAREN PERRY'S NAME FOR THAT ONE ALSO, UM, SHE'S BEEN SERVING AS A VOLUNTEER FOR, FOR DOWN'S CAT LADY SINCE 2005. SO TWO OF THEM. YES, SIR. IS THE SUGGESTION FROM MY COLLEAGUES THAT BOTH OF THEM. SO JUST, JUST AS A PROCESS NOW, BUT FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, IF, IF THERE'S A, IF YOU GO THROUGH, FOR EXAMPLE, THREE OF THE FOUR POSITIONS, THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS ABOUT MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION. WELL, YOU NEED TO GET SO BEFORE YOU DO THAT, YOU NEED TO GET, YOU NEED TO SELL BETWEEN THOSE TWO. SO THE RESOLUTION ACTUALLY, IF THERE ARE FOUR PLACES, YOU'LL TAKE NOMINATIONS, EACH COUNCIL MEMBER WILL GET FOUR ABOUTS AND THE FOUR TOP VOTE GETTERS WILL BE THE APPOINTMENTS. SO THAT'S ALL THOUGHTS, KELLY. SO BETWEEN STEPHANIE BEN, GIVEN WHAT KAREN HAS BEEN DOING, BEEN INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, STEPHANIE IS CONCERNED, DO YOU, SHE'S INTERESTED IN THESE CONDITIONS TOO. AND JUST OCCURRED TO ME. WE'RE INTERESTED IN ASKING WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THAT CONVERSATION, WHO SHE, SHE SERVED OTHER POSITIONS TOO. SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT COUNTRY. OKAY. SO, SO JUST INSTEAD OF GOING FOR THIS, KEVIN , KEVIN IS YOU WANT TO MAKE STEPHANIE VAN FOR METRO MARLIN. DID YOU TALK TO KAREN? YES. OKAY. YES. SO I SEE ON HERE THAT AS LONG ON THIS LIST, THAT SUSIE IS NOT JUST UNEXPIRED AS SHE CONTINUES THERE. YES. SO YOU'RE PUTTING FRAN PROWL TO PLACE THREE, FOUR METRO CARD SERVICES, CORRECT. AND STEPHANIE BANE TO METRO CARE. OKAY. AND KEVIN PERRY DOES KELLY AND THEN MARIE FOUNTAIN FAMILY FED POWERS CONTINUE PRESS SERVICES. OKAY. SO PLACE ONE IS SUSIE OLIVER. WHO'S A TERM IS NOT EXPIRED. AND PLACE TWO WOULD BE ANNA MARIA FRAMPTON PLACE. THREE IS BRAND POWELL, PLACE FOUR IS KAREN PERRY AND PLACE FIVE IS STEPHANIE BANG. SO BASED ON THAT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS MOTION? THE SECOND ONE FAVOR [03:25:01] PCI, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL MEMBER, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM [10. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on the Location for One (1) Bronze and Glass Kinetic Sculpture at 15601 Addison Road.] NINE AND NUMBER 12. SO THAT'S APPROVED ON THE 10, 11, 12 FIRST. THEN WE GO TO DEEPAK DISCUSSION ON THE NOT ACTING, NOT SO A MIRACLE NUMBER 10. YES. YEAH. SORRY. REAL QUICK. I APOLOGIZE. JUST SO JANET SIBO IS ON WITH US, SO SHE'LL BE HAPPY TO REVIEW. SO WHEN CAN READ THEM IN, OKAY. BASKETBALL, I'D HAVE ANOTHER CAM PRESENT, DISCUSS IT. CONSIDER ACTION ON THE LOCATION FOR ONE BRONZE AND GLASS KINETIC SCULPTURE AT ONE FIVE, SIX ZERO ONE INNOCENT GIRL, JENNA HEARING COUNCIL, JANET TIDWELL, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. YOU POSSIBLY NEED FOR JUST A MOMENT. I'M GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN. WE SEE, UM, THIS SHOWPIECE THEME SHARES. YES. UM, I'M BRINGING BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IN IDEN, UM, ON BEHALF OF ALICE AND FOUNDATION, WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES YOUR WITNESS ALSO THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS LOCATION IN THE SCULPTURE. UM, WE HAVE DR. JAY EIRICH AND BARBARA PAPPAS WITHOUT US, OUR FOUNDATION TO DISCUSS THE INSTALLATION OF IRAN STEEL AND GLASS SCULPTURE, UM, TO BE LOCATED AT THE GALAXY FBO LOCATION. AND THAT I'LL ASK DR. ANDRE TO, UM, BEING ON BEHALF OF OUR NATION. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL. UH, MY NAME IS JAY. I BREAK I'M PRESENTLY AT A SNOBBERY FOUNDATION AND, UH, APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT, UH, , WHICH IS A BRONZE AND GLASS SCULPTURE BY THE ARTIST. DAVID HICKMAN NAME SOUNDS FAMILIAR. UM, HICKMAN WAS COMMISSIONED BY THE ARBOR FOUNDATION COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO CREATE THE MONARCH BUTTERFLIES BY THE TRUEBEAM PARK. UH, WE BELIEVE THAT TO BE ONE OF MR. HICKMAN'S, UH, EARLY, IF NOT, UH, FROM HIS VERY FIRST, UH, KINETIC SCULPTURES. UM, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE THIS BACK IN ADDISON. UM, WE LEARNED ABOUT THIS PIECE SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND MS. POMPOUS, WHO IS A VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE ART FOUNDATION AND HEARD THERE WAS ANOTHER HICKMAN IN ADDISON, AND WE WERE NOT AWARE OF IT. AND MARGARET DID SOME, UH, SCOPING OUT THE AREA AND DISCOVERED THAT THIS PIECE WAS HOUSED IN AN ALCOVE, UH, LOCATED, UH, OFF OF THE BECKER PARK LOCATION IN AN ESSENCE CIRCLE AND AS KINETIC PIECE THAT MOVES WITH THE WIND. AND UNFORTUNATELY THIS PIECE WAS LOCATED IN AN ALCOVE WITHOUT ANY WIND. WE ALSO DISCOVERED THAT THE PIECE HAD BEEN BADLY DAMAGED BY CUSTOMERS AND ONE OF THE, UH, UH, DRINKING ESTABLISHMENTS, UH, AND WHEN HE USED THIS BATHROOM FOR QUITE SOME TIME. SO IS THAT A MUCH NEEDED STATE OF DISREPAIR? WE, UH, UM, NEGOTIATED TO ACQUIRE THE PIECE, UH, AND WE WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE THE PIECE FOR, UH, THE AUGER FOUNDATION. THE, UH, UH, PIECE HAS BEEN TOTALLY RESTORED, UH, BY A RESTORATION HOUSE IN DALLAS. AND SO THAT IS APPEARANCE LOOKS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. NOW WE, WE DO HAVE TO REASSEMBLE IT AND EVEN LOOKING FOR AN IDEAL LOCATION. AND, UH, WHEN THE CIPHER, THE GALAXY FBO CAME UP, UM, THIS LOOKED LIKE IT MIGHT BE AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR THE PIECE. UM, THEY ALSO WERE EXCITED TO LOOK AT THE PIECES, WELL, A PIECE TO BE LOCATED RIGHT NEXT TO, UH, ADDISON ROAD. UH, WE'LL HAVE PIECE WOULD BE ABLE TO TURN. AND AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE ILLUSTRATION OF THIS LOCATION, THAT'D BE READILY DISSEMBLED FROM BOTH VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, JUST TO ADD THIS AS A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT LOCATION. UM, THE PREVIOUS ILLUSTRATION, UM, SHOWED A SCULPTURE THAT WAS A PLACEHOLDER. SO IT WASN'T THE EXACT SCULPTURE. IT WAS SHOWING THE LOCATION. THE SAC MENTION HERE WOULD SHOW THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE SCULPTURE. AND WE HAVE ASKED GALAXY FBO TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THE PLATFORM VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT IS ON THE LOSS AND USED FOR THE LOSS OF CONSTANT SCULPTURE ON THE BELTWAY DRIVE. UM, IN ORDER TO [03:30:01] REPLACE THAT SCULPTURE A LITTLE LIFTED ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE AND PROVIDE PROTECTION FOR PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO WALK RIGHT UP NEXT TO IT, SINCE IT IS KINETIC, UM, THE, UH, PROPERTY TENANT GALAXY FBO HAS SIGNED AN AGREEMENT, ALLOWING THE SCULPTURE TO BE PLACED ON THE TOWN AND GIVING THE TOWN ACCESS TO THE SCULPTURE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN IT. AND WE ALSO DO BELIEVE THIS IS ONE OF MR. BEN'S FAVORITE PIECES OF HIS BACK IN, IN SANTA FE TWO YEARS AGO, AND VISITED BOTH HE AND HIS WIFE THEY'RE MOMENTS THAT, AND, UH, THE MARQUETTE, WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL MODEL FOR THE PIECE SITS VERY PROMINENTLY IN THEIR LIVING ROOM. SO IT'S A VERY SPECIAL PIECE FOR, UH, THE ARTIST AND I BELIEVE AS WELL AS FOR AS, AND GREAT DISCUSSION, DO I WORSHIP TOO CRITICAL? SECOND MOTION, SECOND, ALL OF THEM ALL IN FAVOR OF BCI, I KEPT AND THIS HAS, YOU KNOW, APPLIES FOR EACH OF THE SUBSEQUENT ITEMS AS WELL. BUT IF THERE IS A PROVISION IN OUR PUBLIC ART POLICY THAT SAYS THAT THESE HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY RESOLUTION. SO WHAT WE'LL DO AND ASSUMING THE COUNCIL, I MEAN, WE ALREADY GOT ONE, BUT AS SOON AS EVENTUALLY WE'LL BRING BACK RESOLUTIONS WITH THE MONEY AND SEND THE CHANNEL IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL INCLUDE THOSE. IT IS RIGHT. [11. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on the Location for One (1) Steel Sculpture at the Surveyor Water Tower. ] 11 PRESENT, DISCUSS THE CONSIDERATION ON THAT LOCATION FOR ONE STEEL SCULPTURE AS A SURVEYOR, WHAT A TOP JENNA JOHNATHAN HILL DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. AND WHEN SCANNING HAS REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE HOUSE AND OUR FOUNDATION HERE AT AND OUR LAW OFFICE TO TALK ABOUT A CONCEPT OR A SCULPTURE TO BE FABRICATED IN LOCATED AT THE SURVEYOR WATER TOWER ON THE LOCATION MIRROR, OR MOMENT MILL WAS LITIGATED. SO THE STRUCTURAL SUPPORTS, UM, BELOW THAT ANGLED UP THAT WITH THEIR MILL WOULD BE UTILIZED IN INSTALLING THIS ULTRA. AND I'LL LET DR IRENE SHARE THE DETAILS WITH YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL GI RICK AGAIN WITH THE ASMARA FOUNDATION. UM, EAST IS BY AN ARTIST FROM CARROLLTON NAMED RUSS CONNELL, UH, IS PRESENTLY UNNAMED BY THE ARTIST WITH POINT, AND IS ALSO A, UM, CONCEPT PIECE THAT THE ARTIST HAS CREATED. AND, UH, WE GET, UH, ACTUALLY, UH, BAR PAPPAS AND, UH, CANADA TIT AS WELL, UH, TO GO OUT TO THE ARTISTS STUDIO AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE PIECE, UM, AND THEN REPORT BACK ON A PIECE, LOOK TO THE BOARD. UM, WE HAD ASKED THE ARTIST CONCEPT DESIGNS AND HE SHOWED US THIS SEXUAL PIECE AND BOARD, UH, REALLY APPRECIATE IT ALL THE WAY INTO THE LOOK LIKE IT WOULD BE AN OUTSTANDING FIT FOR THE LOCATION. UM, ON THE COLOR SAMPLE TO THE RIGHT HAND, THIGH IS A COLD COLOR, WHICH IS WHAT THE PIECE WILL BE PAINTED. UH, IT STANDS APPROXIMATELY, UH, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT 12, 13 FEET IN MINE, PREPPED ON THAT JANITOR WITH A LITTLE BIT TOLERANT THAT SLOPE. YES, IT IS 16 FEET WITH A THREE FOOT KIND OF STUFF. THE THREE-FOOT PETS STILL, UM, WHICH WE FEEL IS GOING TO BE A GOOD SIZE FOR THAT LOCATION, UH, WHICH WOULD BALANCE THAT OUT WITH THE SITES WITH THE WATER TOWER AND THE, UH, GARDEN THAT THE HEART FOUNDATION PUT IN A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, UH, WHICH IS A, UH, KIND OF AN ECO GARDEN. AND ANOTHER CONSTANTLY WITH PEACE POTENTIALLY WILL LOOK LIKE ON SITE. AND THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE ARTIST WORKING ON A PIECE IN THE STUDIO AND WITHOUT, UM, YES. AND THEN THERE'S THE PROPOSED LOCATION SHOWING THAT IT WOULD FIT OVER THERE, PERIOD. IT'S THERE AND THE CONDUIT THAT'S INSTALLED THERE. WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR COUNCILS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THEIR OPINION OF INSTALLING THE SCULPTURE OF THIS LOCATION, IF COUNSEL, UM, COMMENTS WERE FAVORABLE, WE WOULD BRING BACK TO YOU AT RESOLUTION TO CONSIDER OPTION ONE. RIGHT? I LIKE THE, THE SITE. UM, AND I, I REALLY LIKED THE ARTIST I CHECKED OUT. UH, I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT HIM TODAY. UM, THE [03:35:01] PERSON JUST NOT A BIG FAN OF THIS PARTICULAR PIECE. RIGHT, RIGHT THERE. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. THAT'S A GREAT ART AND THE, TO LOCATED AT A GREAT LOCATION, WHICH WOULD BE LOCATED BY WINDTHROW. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS SECOND MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR TO APPROVE THIS. YOU SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSE 12TH. YES. WELL, WE'LL BRING BACK THE RESOLUTION FOR YOU. GET THE NAME OF YOUR NOSE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. [12. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on the Location for One (1) Painted Steel Sculpture on Park Property in the Addison Grove Development.] 12 PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON THE LOCATION FOR ONE PENNY, THE STEEL SCULPTURE PARK PROPERTY, AS IN GIRL, DEVELOP HEARING COUNSEL, JANET TIBBLE, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. UM, I HAVE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE AND OUR FOUNDATION HERE WITH US THIS EVENING TO DISCUSS THE INSTALLATION POST INSTALLATION OF A SCULPTURE TITLE ROCCO, UM, TO BE LOCATED WITHIN ONE OF THE ASSETS AND GROVE PARKS. YES. UM, THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING FOR THE SCULPTURES AND WE'LL HAVE UNIQUE COMPARED TO MOST NEAT, UM, OUT OF SNOBBERY FOUNDATION TYPICALLY HAS A VERY SPECIFIC, UH, LOCATION. UH, THEY WERE IN GETTING THE FORMER ART PIECE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THE UNTITLED PIECE, SURVEYOR WATER TOWER, THE ARTISTS THEY SHARED. THEY SAW THIS SCULPTURE AT THE ARTIST STUDIO, SHARED SOME INTERESTS WITH HIM AND HE OFFERED TO, UM, REDUCE THE COST OF THE SCULPTURE IF THEY PURCHASED IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE OTHER SCULPTURE. SO THAT'S WHY THIS, WHILE WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU IS A LITTLE MORE UNIQUE THAN WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PAST. UM, WITH THAT BACKGROUND, UM, TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO DR. JAY, I RE I WRITE TO GIVE, UM, WHERE DO YOU TELL ABOUT THE SOLUTION THAT'S BEING PROPOSED? THANK YOU, JANET AND ERIN COUNCIL JR. AGAIN, YES. AND OUR FOUNDATION, UM, AS MS. TEBEAU SAID, WE DO HAVE A USUALLY HEAVY LOCATION IN MIND. AND THE PIECE THAT WE FIND AT A LATER DATE, THIS WAS A, UH, AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE ARBOR FOUNDATION TO ACQUIRE ANOTHER PIECE OF ART BY, UH, RUSS CONNELL, UH, SPEECH. IT'S ABSOLUTELY STUNNING. IT'S JUST FOR VERIFICATIONS ABOUT FOUR BY FOUR BY SEVEN FEET TALL. UH, IT'S JUST A FUN CASE. IT JUST HAS LOT OF THE, UH, HAVING FEELINGS TO, UH, AND WE HAD SEEN THIS PRIOR AT, UH, MR. CONNELL'S STUDIO. AND IT WAS JUST, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY IN THIS, THOSE THINGS THAT WHEN THESE THINGS COME AROUND THAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT, UH, IT SAVES MONEY FOR US AND PART OF THE TOWN. AND WE ACQUIRE A WONDERFUL ADDITION TO THE COLLECTION AND, UH, WE JUST LIKE EVERY CONSIDERATION ON, ON, UH, ROCCO SEATING. SO IS IT A TWO PART, IS IT THE ARTWORK AND THE LOCATION ON THIS ONE? I THOUGHT WE HAD THREE DIFFERENT PROPOSED, UH, INSTALL LOCATION. IT SAYS ADDISON GROWTH, RIGHT? WE WOULD, WE WOULD WANT YOUR, UM, GENERAL APPROVAL THAT IT COULD BE LOCATED WITHIN ONE OF THE THREE PARTS THAT WE'VE LISTED AT ALISON BRO. UM, ONE OF THOSE PARTS IS THE LARGER PART CALLED THE COMMONS. AND THIS WOULD BE LOCATED NEAR AN ENTRANCE BY THE PAVILION IS ONE OF THE LOCATIONS. UM, ONE OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS IS THAT POTENTIAL, UH, ROW THERE'S AN AREA THAT WE HAVE, UM, CRAFTED PARK OUT SPACE WHERE FUTURE SCULPTURES THEME. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE LOCATIONS BEING CONSIDERED. AND THEN THE THIRD LOCATION WOULD BE ONE OF THE PARKLETS THAT CAN BE VIEWED ON THE BELTWAY DRIVE. UM, THE REASON THE ART OR FOUNDATION HASN'T FINALIZED ELEVATION IN THIS REQUEST IS THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PURCHASING THE SCULPTURE BECAUSE OF THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT THE ARTISTS OFFERED, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FRAMEWORK OF THE PARKS GOING UP AND FOR THEM TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SHAPE BEFORE MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON WHICH ONE OF THE PARTS THEY WOULD LIKE TO WORK HOST THIS SCULPTURE BEING LOCATED. THANK YOU, JANET, FOR THAT EXPLANATION. I THINK THERE'S A ONE, ONE QUESTION OF CLARITY HERE IS, IS, IS THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA. AND I DO APPROVE THIS PIECE OF ART, OR JUST TO GIVE APPROVAL FOR THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THIS PIECE OF ARTISTS, THE ARCH FOUNDATION, TO MOVE FORWARD INTO A PIECE [03:40:01] OF ART. WE'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT, UM, COUNCIL IS GENERALLY IN FAVOR, WOULD BE, UM, THE ARTS. AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE PARENTS GENERALLY IN FAVOR WITH IN THE ASSAY ROAD DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE PROVED THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION LATER. IS IT JUST A PIECE OF ART? AND GENERALLY THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME POINT THAT AS A GROWTH TONIGHT, THEN I'M GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY, AFTER THAT, AFTER IT'S BEEN IN STOCK, THEY START DOING SOME ARTWORK AND THEY'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE THEY RECOMMEND OR COME BACK TO US AND WALK ANOTHER. YEAH, I THINK WHAT I READ IN THE AGENDA MANUAL IS THAT GIVE US YOUR BLESSING TO PUT IT IN THIS GENERAL AREA. SO WAY UP TO GENERAL AREA FOR THIS ART, THEN THEY WON'T COME BACK FOR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT THE RESOLUTION. BUT THAT SPEED REASON I ASK, I, I LOVE THIS SCULPTURE, SAME ARTISTS LOVE THE ARTISTS, AND I LOVE, UH, THE ADDISON GROVE, THE GROVE PARK RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT. UM, AND I'M, I'M OPEN TO PROVING THAT UNITED. WE CAN DO THAT. UM, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO WAIT ANOTHER FINISHING ALL THOSE AIR POCKET. SO WHETHER THAT'S THE BEST PART FOR THAT SPECIFICALLY ALARMS. SO, UH, I WANT TO LEAVE THIS OPEN FOR AUTHOR FOUNDATION. I DO TOO. I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE, PART OF THE ART. YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE PLACEMENT AND I LOVED THE, I ABSOLUTELY LOVED THE SCULPTURE. THIS IS MY FAVORITE OF THE NIGHT. UM, IT'S VERY PLAYFUL. IT'S A GREAT COLOR. AND I THINK IT WOULD BRING SOME VITALITY TO THAT, UM, TO THAT AREA, WHEREVER IT'S BEST PLACED. TO CLARIFY, TO CLARIFY, WE SAT, WE'LL LET COUNCIL KNOW WHERE ULTIMATELY IT GOES, BUT, BUT WHAT THE REQUEST IS, IS LET THE ARBOR FOUNDATION CHOOSE BETWEEN THE BEST LOCATION BETWEEN THESE THREE SITES. AND THEN WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S BEEN CHOSEN AND NOT, NOT COME BACK FOR THAT ADDITIONAL ACTION AS MUCH, YOU KNOW, THAT WHAT HAS BEEN CHOSEN BASED ON THE ACTION THAT WAS REFINING AT THIS TIME, IT'S GIVING THE AUTHORITY FOR FINANCE. DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS MOTION MOTION THEN PAUL ONE SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE. OKAY. I'VE COME [9. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action to Amend the Public Art Policy.] BACK TO, I'VE BEEN NOT PRESENT, DISCUSS POLICY. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY? FIRST THREE ARE IN COUNCIL, JANITOR, WELL, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. I'M BRINGING THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING OUT OF REQUESTS OF COUNCIL MEMBER, WOODERSON AND HUGHES. UM, THEY WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PULL APART DATING POLICY, WHICH WAS LAST UPDATED 2020 TO BETTER ALIGN WITH THE UPDATE TO POUNDS. THEY NEED RECOGNITION, COFFEE. UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE AVAILABLE THE ASTHMA FOUNDATION, WHICH FOLLOW THIS POLICY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME PROFESSIONALLY, TALK TO MY WIFE. AND I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. UM, AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC COMMENT PART OF THAT, SHOULD WE DO THAT BEFORE WE DISCUSS THE ITEMS? SO WE'VE GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR SOME, HEAR THEIR THOUGHTS. WE CAN GO BACK, BUT I SUGGEST YOU'LL SPEAK FIRST BECAUSE YOU'LL PROPOSE THIS IDEA. SO YOU MUST SPEAK FIRST AND THEN I INVITED THEM TO SPEAK. I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE. YOU EITHER WANT TO GO. MINE'S VERY BRIEF. THIS CAME AS A QUESTION OF, WOULD WE AMEND THE POLICY TO INCLUDE THE WORDS IN MEMORY? BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTS WHO WOULD MAKE THAT FLEXIBILITY UNDER THE CORPORATE, EXCUSE ME, UNDER THE COUNCIL HOUSING. SO THE VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION THAT I WAS ASKED, WHAT DID I THINK ABOUT INCLUDING THOSE WORDS? AND I SAID, WELL, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A COUNCIL DISCUSSION. I DON'T HAVE AN IMMEDIATE OPINION AS TO WHETHER THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO OR NOT. SO I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHY THERE ARE FOLKS REQUESTING THE NBN AND LET'S TALK ABOUT IT FROM MY SIDE. IT'S EXTREMELY [03:45:01] SIMILAR. I WOULD ADD THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE PANDEMIC HIT A LOT OF US HERE IN ADDISON, WE PICKED A SPECIFIC RESTAURANTS WHO ARE GOING TO SUPPORT, UH, ALL WE COULD. AND, UH, AND I PICKED SEVERAL, ONE OF THEM WAS ANTONIO. AND, UH, SO WHEN THE PANDEMIC HIT, UH, I GO TO ANTONIO'S FOR DINNER, LITERALLY TWO OR THREE TIMES EVERY SINGLE WEEK. . SO DURING, DURING THAT TIME, RIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, PARTLY MARCH TO, TO PRESENT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU GET TO, YOU GET TO KNOW A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN EDGE ON, YOU SHOULD GET TO KNOW, UH, THE REGULAR FOLKS THAT COME THERE. AND IT'S A, IT'S AN AMAZING ENVIRONMENT. IT'S A REALLY, UH, FAMILY FAMILY. SO, SO A LOT OF THESE SAME, SAME FOODS, UH, UH, DONATED TOWARDS THE PLAQUE FOR THE BRAIN AND THE, UH, A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION, UM, WAS WE WANNA, UH, WE WANNA HONOR CHEF ANTONIO FOR ALL HIS, UH, ALL HIS YEARS OF GREAT WORK. UM, AND ALL HE'S DONE FOR ADDISON WOULD THAT TONY OWNS THE RESTAURANT. AND SO, SO THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK AND A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO ME WHEN, HEY, DO WE KNOW WHEN THE PLANT IS GOING TO BE INSTALLED? AND DO WE, YOU KNOW, DO WE KNOW AS THE DONATION LEVEL HAVE BEEN REACHED AND ALL THESE, ALL THESE QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. UM, AND SO I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN A PART OF THAT AND I'VE TRIED TO DO MY BEST ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS, UM, MOVE FORWARD, MOVING FORWARD TO, UM, I THINK THE SUMMERTIME OF LAST YEAR WHEN WE APPROVED THE LATEST, UH, ART NAMING POLICY, UM, AUGUST IN AUGUST THIS SUMMER. SO, SO DID THAT, UM, WE LOOKED AT IT, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY LOOK AT IT WITH THE THOUGHT OF, UH, OF, OF THIS EGG MARINE PLAQUE. AND, AND CAN, YOU KNOW, WILL THE NEW WITH A, WITH AN EXTREME FOCUS ON, WILL THIS REMOVE THE POSSIBILITY OF INCLUDING IN MEMORY OF, UM, I WAS LOOKING AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT THOUGHTS, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING BACK IN TIME A WISH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD, WE HAD LOOKED AT ALL THE VARIOUS PLAQUES OF WHAT WE, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, RIGHT. I JUST DIDN'T DO THAT UNTIL AFTER, AFTER THE FACT WHEN WE APPROVED THIS AND THEN IT BECAME APPARENT WE HAD, WE HAD MADE A CHANGE IN WHAT WAS POSSIBLE, UM, WHICH HIGHLY AFFECTED, UM, SOME DONORS TO THIS, TO THE SIG MARINE PLAQUE, UM, WITH CHEF ANTONIO'S NAME ON IT. SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I REVISITED AFTER, AFTER, AFTER HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS, LOOKING AT THE CURRENT PLAQUES, AND I WANTED TO, UH, UH, JUST HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND HAVE THOSE, HAVE THOSE THOUGHTS AND LOOK AT THE FLAG AND TALK THROUGH IT AND, AND VERY SPECIFIC IN MEMORY OF DOUG. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? DOES IT NOT MAKE SENSE? AND I APPRECIATE HER FOR BEING A CO-SPONSOR AND ALLOWING US TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION THAT, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. AT LEAST WE KNOW THE BACKGROUND. OKAY. TRISH JCS DO TO MAKE HER COMMENTS. MR. MAYOR, STATE COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, TOWN, STAFF PARKS DEPARTMENT, AND ALLISON, OUR FOUNDATION REPRESENTATIVES. MY NAME IS TRISHA STEWART, AND I'M CALLED AS A CIRCLE HOME FOR 15 YEARS. AND I COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, THE REQUESTS FROM A GRIEVING FAMILY, AS WORDS MATTER A GREAT DEAL TO THEM IN MARCH OF 2020 OUT OF SOME CIRCLES, LOST A LEGEND CHEF. ANTONIO LOST HIS VERY BRIEF BATTLE WITH CANCER. HER COMMUNITY CHEF FEELS POSTED, POSTED, SHARED HIS PAIN, AND HE WAS A SHEPHERD 50 YEARS. AND HE WAS FRUSTRATED HAS BEEN, AND HOW'S PLANNING WORK SINCE 1919, WHICH IS QUITE A FEAT, ESPECIALLY IN TODAY'S WORLD, SHOVE, TREATING CUSTOMERS, FAMILY. AND HE LOOKED OUT AND SAID, HOW DOES IT LOOK TO HIM? HE WILL EAT HIS NAME WILL ALWAYS BE A PART OF ADDISON'S HISTORY AND CULTURE. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, IN APRIL OF 2028, PUBLIC'S A SOLICITATION WAS MADE FOR DONORS TO CONTRIBUTE IN HONOR, CHEFS LIKE [03:50:01] BANNED, THE FUNDS WERE SECURED IN JULY OF 2020 FOR A DEDICATION ABOUT THE BEAUTIFUL TEARDROP SCULPTURE NAMED ED MARINE BY PASCAL PRIOR IN MOSS PARK. UM, EXCUSE ME, IN OCTOBER OF 2020, A DRAFT PLAQUE WAS AVAILABLE AND THE FAMILY REQUESTED WORDING SUCH AS HIM IN HONOR OF HIS LIFE OR A MEMORY WE ADDED TO THE PLAQUE WORDING. AND THEY WERE UNAWARE THAT AN ART POLICY HAD BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN AUGUST OF 2020, WHICH WOULD PROHIBIT THIS CONSIDERATION. SO, UM, HOW ON BEHALF OF THE FAMILY, I BRING THIS REQUEST TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AND ALSO ON BEHALF OF THE FAMILY, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS, THEY ARE VERY GRATEFUL AND HONORED FOR THIS CONSIDERATION AND, UM, HOW MUCH THE RESTAURANT FAMILY HAS BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS DEDICATION HAS IT'S COUNSELING, UM, MENTIONED. SO, UM, AND I APOLOGIZE IF THIS IS GOING OVER THREE MINUTES, IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME. I REALLY DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO COME HERE TODAY. SO, UM, ANYHOW, UH, THIS, THIS REQUEST IS NOT MEANT TO BE DISRESPECTFUL TO THE TOWN POLICY, TO PAST DONORS, TO THE PARK STAFF OR TO ESPECIALLY THE ADDISON ARBOR FOUNDATION. AND ON THE CONTRARY IS BECAUSE OF MY DEEP RESPECT AND APPRECIATION OF THEIR WORK. THEN I CAME TO THEM IN MARCH ASKING FOR IDEAS TO HONOR CHEF'S LIFE. AND I WOULD ESPECIALLY LIKE TO THANK DR. JAY EILEEN, BARBARA PAVIS AND THE ENTIRE ADDISON CARBON FOUNDATION STAFF FOR THEIR MANY DEDICATED VOLUNTEER HOURS, ESPECIALLY DURING AN EXTREMELY STRESSFUL YEAR, NOT ONLY ON THIS PROJECT, BUT ON MANY PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE JUST NOTICED, UH, THE BEAUTY OF OUR TOWN TO MAKE IT A BEAUTIFUL URBAN OASIS. SO I'M NOT HERE TO REQUEST, UM, NECESSARILY A CHANGE IN THE POLICY THOUGH. I THINK THAT WOULD BE LOVELY AS SOMEONE WHO LOST TWO VERY IMPORTANT FAMILY MEMBERS. I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS TO ME TO BE ABLE TO DEDICATE SOMETHING IN MEMORY OF SOMEONE. SO I THINK IT'S A LOVELY IDEA TO APP TO AMEND YOUR POLICY WITH THAT IN MIND. BUT IF THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE, I'M JUST ASKING FOR A GRANDFATHER EXEMPTION TO HAVE IN HONOR OF HIS LIFE OR A MEMORY ON BEHALF OF THE BONO FAMILY'S REQUEST. SO HISTORICALLY IT MAY BE KNOWN THAT THIS DEDICATION WAS POST-MORTEM WHENEVER YOU ARE GRIEVING, THE LOSS OF LIFE WORDS HAVE MEANING, AND THEY GAIN MORE IMPORTANCE BECAUSE THEY MATTER TO THE MATTER WORDS MATTER. THEY MATTER TO THE FAMILY THAT WE WISH TO COMFORT WITH THIS DEDICATION. THEY MATTER TO THE COMMUNITY WHO WISHES TO HONOR HIM, AND THEY MATTER TO THE FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO WILL SEEK TO UNDERSTAND THE WHY OF THIS DEDICATION. AND SO I ASKED THE TOWN AS THE MAJOR DONOR, THE FRIENDS AND FAMILY, WE WERE NOT THE TOWN WAS, AND THE TELLER IS ALSO THE ONE WHO HAS IMPLEMENTED THIS POLICY. SO I COME TO YOU TO ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND ALLOWANCE FOR THIS WORDING. I, AS WELL AS IN RESPECT HERTZ DEPARTMENT AND THE ADDISON HARBOR FOUNDATION, I ASKED FOR YOUR KIND CONSIDERATION AS WELL. SO I RESPECT YOUR DECISION AND I THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE JEFF PEARSON. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JEFF PEARSON. I LIVE AT, UH, 15, SIX 34, PARDON? FORTY-FIVE POINT AND THREE ABSENT CIRCLE. I'VE NEVER ASKED OFFICIALLY ANYTHING FROM THE TOWN COUNCIL AND ASKING HIM TO NOT PLEASE AMEND YOUR PUBLIC ART POLICY. SO THE BLUE WORDS IN MEMORIAL OR CHEF ANTONIO, YVONNE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, IT'S BEEN A ROUGH YEARS, AS WE ALL KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S BEEN A MINUTE, A YEAR OF LOSS FOR SO MANY PEOPLE AND GETTING TO KNOW CHEF THAT AT ANTONIO'S THE RESTAURANT. THERE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE THIS YEAR THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MOURN THEIR LOVED ONES BECAUSE OF HIM. THEN I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE WHOSE PANTRIES WERE CLOSED. IT WAS, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE THE, OR MAY NOT HAVE THE MEANS TO GET HOME, TO HAVE A PROPER MEMORIAL. AND SO THE TERM IN MEMORIAL WE'RE SET THAT ANTONIO YVONNE'S BLACK IS SO IMPORTANT. IT HAS A LOT OF MEETINGS WITH THE RESIDENTS OF MADISON CIRCLE. I KNOW IT DOES THAT'S FOR ME, I'M HERE AT THE REQUEST OF OTHERS AND AS WELL AS WHAT'S NOW, THAT'S THE ONE THING I JUST NEED YOU TO DO TONIGHT IS JUST CHANGE THAT POLICY. IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT ANYTHING I CAN DO. SO I'M GOING TO ASK THAT YOU DO IT. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE. I KNOW WE JUST WANT TO TALK TO EACH ONE OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY BEFORE IT'S A REAL PREVALENCE LAPTOP. THIS IS THE ONLY THING I'M PROBABLY GOING TO ASK POTENTIALLY [03:55:01] FOR A LONG TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, JEFF. SO DO I HAVE SEAN AND THIS DEFINITELY MORE ON THE PHONE? SO, SO, UH, UH, SHORTLY AFTER THE DEATH OF MARVIN LOVING CHEF ANTONIO ALONA, WE WERE APPROACHED BY FOR INSTANCE, PATRONS IN THE RESTAURANT ABOUT DEDICATING THE AID MARINE SCULPTURE IN HIS MEMORY. WE HAD DONE TONIO, HIS FAMILY THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL TRIBUTE. THE DEDICATED AMOUNT OF MONEY REQUIRED BY THE ADDISON HARBOR FOUNDATION WAS RAISED. AND IT WAS OUR BELIEF THAT THE PLAQUE WOULD INCLUDE IN MEMORY OF JEFF. I'M TELLING TO ALONA, UNFORTUNATELY, THE ADDISON ARBOR FOUNDATION, AFTER THE FACT INFORMED US THAT IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE TO DO SO CLEARLY WE WERE DISAPPOINTED AS OTHER PLAQUES HAVE BEEN DONE IN MEMORIAL. WE ASKED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN THIS MANNER AND TO ALLOW THE PLAQUE TO INCLUDE IN MEMORY OF CHEF ANTONIO ALONA, AS WE ORIGINALLY BELIEVED IT WOULD. THANK YOU. SINCERELY, SEAN, INSTEAD OF BEING MORE OWNERS OF ANTONIO RESTAURANT, THAT'S TRUE. DO I HAVE ANY MOTION OR ANY DISCUSSION DISCUSSION? SO, UM, I'M GONNA TO ASK, UH, THE, WE ARE A COUPLE OF PERCENTAGES FROM THE ANDERSON ARTIFACT NATION HERE. AND, UH, HAVE YOU EVER, UM, JAY OR BARBARA, UM, KIND OF SPEAK TO THIS? UM, SOME THINGS THAT OCCURRED TO ME IS TELL US A BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY. TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EDISON ARBOR FOUNDATION'S PERSPECTIVE ON THIS, THE EFFORTS TO FIND, TO, TO WORK WITH, UH, THE PETITIONER SHEAR AND, UH, YOUR, YOUR POSITION ON THE BOARD MAKING NAME MEMORIAL ON THE PUB, THE CAR PIECE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, HAVE, UH, WHETHER THEY'RE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MEMORIALS EXIST IN EDISON THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FOUNDATION HAS A SAY OVER, JUST KIND OF TELL US, TELL US WHAT YOUR ALL'S PERSPECTIVE ON APPRECIATE YOU. HI, RICK, AGAIN, CONSTANTLY ASKING OUR FOUNDATION THAT BARBARA MATHIS IS ALSO A FEW MINUTES, NINE MINUTES FOR HARVEST BARBARA. UM, BUT WE CAN PROVIDE A, UH, WRITTEN AND BOREAL TO, UM, COUNSEL AND THE AIRLINES HAD A CHANCE TO, TO REVIEW THEIR, UH, WHERE WE HAVE VOICED ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, CHANGING THE POLICY. UH, ADD THE IMMEMORIAL WORDS. WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE TOWN TO INCLUDE THE LANGUAGE OF THE FRIENDS AND FAMILY. UH, AND THEN, UH, WE MAY BE CHANGING THAT OUR FOUNDATION TO, UM, KEEP SOME CONSISTENCY THAT WE'D LIKE TO KEEP CONSISTENCY IN THE LANGUAGE. AND, UH, WE HAVE USED FRIENDS AND FAMILY BEFORE THE PEACE AND TRANQUILITY SCULPTURES LOCATED, UH, OVER IN THE OLD NORTH NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, AND BY THE VERY PRESENCE OF THAT FRIENDS AND FAMILY, IT DOES CONFER THAT, THAT IT IS A, UM, SUPPORT WAS PROVIDED ON BEHALF OF THE LAW. SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE STATEMENT, WE WORKED VERY HARD WITH, UH, THE TOWN ON TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD WAS, UH, INCLUSIVE. UM, AND NOW IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S MAYBE TO GO BACK AND, AND GET CHANGED. AND I HAVE TO ASK BARBARA TO STEP IN HERE. I NEED A LITTLE MORE HISTORY TO, UH, IT WAS EIGHT MARINE, UH, BARBARA, UH, YEAH. UH, UM, SO YEAH, FIRST OF ALL, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID WANT TO DO SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL FOR A CHEF I'M TELLING YOU, AND WE DO THINGS THAT THE PROPOSED PLAQUE IS VERY SPECIAL IN MANY RESPECTS. UM, IT IS ONE OF THE FEW CLIENTS WITH A SINGLE NAME ON IT. UM, IT IS AGAIN, VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE DID FOR PEACE AND TRANQUILITY OF THE THAT WAS A GROUP THERE THAT ASIAN, UM, BUT IN THAT CASE, WE RECEIVED SUBSTANTIAL FUNDING FUNDING BASICALLY FOR THE ENTIRE SCULPTURE. AND IN THAT CASE, FRIENDS AND FAMILY WAS USED. SO WE KIND OF [04:00:01] FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT. UM, WITH THAT PARTICULAR CASE, UM, I REALIZED THAT THE, UM, SOME OF THE DONORS AND FAMILY, YOU KNOW, FEEL LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT THAT WORDING WOULD BE THERE. IN FACT, IT WAS NEVER, UM, THIS GUY JUST, UH, WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, UH, WAS, YOU KNOW, EARLIER IN THE YEAR, AT THE TIME THAT THE POLICY CHANGES WERE, UM, BEING INITIALLY PROPOSED AND DISCUSSED, UH, BY THE TOWN, HE DID INFORM THEM, UM, THAT THOSE CHANGES WERE TAKING PLACE. AND, UM, IN JULY I DID TALK ABOUT FRIENDS AND FAMILY LANGUAGE. UM, I HAVE, UM, CONCERNS. I DIDN'T THINK, YOU KNOW, ME, I I'M, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF IN MEMORY OF, IN THE TOWN. UM, BUT, UM, PAST, PAST THE CASES DO NOT DRIVE WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IN THE FUTURE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY NEW LAW THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY NEW POLICIES. IF, YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS DID WORK, YOU DO, YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST. SO, UM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE OUT THERE, THIS TO THE DONORS OF, UM, PEACE AND TRANQUILITY, AND ALSO ANOTHER CASE THAT WE HAVE, UM, A SINGLE DONOR IS MAKING A DONATION IN THE NAME OF HER AND HER HUSBAND. AND THE SIMPLY STATED THE NAMES. UM, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE OUR FAIRNESS, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS PLAQUE, IF YOU LOOK AT IT AND LOOK AT OTHER PLAQUES, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY IS. UM, IT REALLY IS A VERY SPECIAL TRIBUTE TO HIM. AND I THINK THE WORDING, FRIENDS AND FAMILY IS EFFICIENT. I HAVE ANOTHER CONCERN ABOUT SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT WE'LL GET MORE UNHAPPY LANGUAGE TO THE TOWN COUNCIL AND ASK TO WRITE IT. I PERSONALLY DO NOT HAVE TIME TO DO THIS ANYMORE. UM, SO THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY POSITION. I FOUND DO NOT THINK, UM, WE SHOULD CHANGE THIS COMMENT FELT, UH, YOUR FINISHED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS WEEK ANTONIO SHIP ANTONIO DIED ON MARCH 23RD, THE REQUEST WAS MADE ON MARCH 24TH. SO IT'S, IT SHOULDN'T BE LONG BEFORE WE CHANGED THE POLICY. SO IT SHOULD BE GRANTED IF I'M A JUDGE, BECAUSE IT'S LONG BEFORE THEY ASKED FOR SO LONG, BUT THE ACTION WAS NOT TAKEN. SO, UH, SO I PERSONALLY, I FEEL IT SHOULD BE GRANTED. SO, YEAH, GERMANIC, MAN, I JUST CLARIFY ONE THING NOW. UM, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS I SAID, THAT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, WE, WE NEVER DISCUSSED THIS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, UH, BUT WE DID GIVE EARLY WARNING THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE LANGUAGE WOULD BE LIMITED AND THAT THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE WOULD BE FRIENDS AND FAMILY UP. AND AS SOMEBODY THAT HAS LOST SOMEBODY RECENTLY AS WELL, I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THAT IS THE, AND I DO THIS IN NEAR A BAR. WE HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND. UH, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CREWS MADE UP OF PLAQUE FENCE AND YOU HAD, UM, THOMAS BAG AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SURE THAT WE HAD IT RIGHT BEFORE WE SEND IT INTO THE FINAL. THE PLASTIC ARE EXPENSIVE AND, UH, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO KEEP CORRECTING THE APPLY ABOUT MA'AM. UH, AS FAR AS NOTED, UH, WE HAD THEM, IT WAS THE ONLY ONES ON THE PLAQUE CENTERED. IT IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE MORE ATTRACTIVE PLAQUES. IT ACTUALLY LOOKS VERY, VERY GOOD FOR THAT LOCATION. SO YOU WERE SAYING THAT YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE PLAQUE IT'S ALREADY, NO, WE DO NOT HAVE IT. WE DO NOT HAVE IT CAST. IT WAS, UM, DRAWINGS, THE GRAPH SOMEWHAT. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THE FAMILY WAS AT [04:05:01] THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE WORDING WOULD BE AN HONOR OF BEFORE THEY BECAME AWARE OF POLICY, UH, AMENDMENT, UM, BEING SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING ON. IS THAT TRUE? NO, AS, AS WE SAID, THAT THERE WAS NO SPECIFIC DISCUSSION OF THE WORDING OTHER THAN TO BACK THAT, YOU KNOW, SOON AFTER THE REQUEST WAS MADE, WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION, UM, PLEASE, THE REPRESENTATIVE, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN POLICY CHANGES WERE TAKING PLACE AND THAT THE WORDING WOULD BE MUCH MORE LIMITED IN THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T GOING TO BE IN MEMORY OF. OKAY. SO TO BE CLEAR, THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE REVIEWING HERE, UM, IN TERMS OF WORDING IS, UH, INSTEAD OF IN MEMORY OF CHEF ANTONIO, IT WOULD BE WHAT PROVIDED BY FRIENDS AND FAMILY UP SUPPORT PROVIDED BY FRIENDS AND FAMILY OF CHEF ANTONIA. UH, YOU, I MEAN, LAURA, I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT LAURIE, ARE YOU, I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THE WORDING BIG THEY'VE GOT APPROVE OF IT, BUT IT'S, I CAN'T READ IT. I SIT IN. YEAH. CAN YOU PULL UP THAT POWERPOINT? JENNY, CAN YOU GO, CAN YOU GO TO THE ONE THAT, UH, WERE SUBMITTED BY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER WILSON? THOSE ARE THE VERY, AT THE VERY FRONT OF THE PRESENTATION AND MAKE THAT LARGER MEANING. UH, THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH, THE ONLY POINT I WANT TO BRING UP IS IF WE WOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THESE PLAQUES IN THE NEW ARCTIC POLICY, WE'D SAY THINGS LIKE I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I LOVE A PROFOUND SECRET. THERE'S THE MESSAGE TOO, TO WHAT IT IS AND WHY IT IS, AND THE HISTORY BEHIND IT IS SPELLED OUT ON THE SPOT, WHICH I LOVE. AND I DON'T THINK THE NEW ART POLICY WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT NOW. SO, YOU KNOW, TO ME, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF RESTRICTIVE OUT IN WHAT MIGHT COME IN THE FUTURE, BUT, UM, I HOPE THAT WE'VE GOT A BEAUTIFUL STORY TO TELL. WE'RE ABLE TO TELL IT WITH ANOTHER PIECE. CAN YOU, JANET, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? OKAY. AND THIS IS IT'S, IT'S MAYBE HARD TO READ CAUSE, UH, FOLDED SQUARE YVETTE LETTER FI UH, ALPHABET D THIS PLAQUE SAYS IN MEMORY OF, OKAY. AND THEN THE, I CAN'T, I CAN'T REALLY READ IT. IT SAYS IN MEMORY OF JEAN AND LUCILLE BAILEY. YEAH. OKAY. JANET, CAN YOU PLEASE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? OKAY. THIS IS INTERSECTION IN FLIGHT OVER BY THE AIRPORT, AND I CAN'T READ IT ONLINE, BUT IT SAYS, THERE YOU GO. IT IN MEMORY AND MEMORY OF IT SAYS OTHER WORDS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT USES IN MEMORY. UM, I CAN READ THAT FOR Y'ALL. I'M SORRY. IT SAYS SUNDAY SUPPORT PROVIDED BY ALISON ARBOR FOUNDATION IN MEMORY OF EMMETT L HAILEY, THE WESTERMAN FAMILY TOWN OF ABSENT, AND DIDN'T USE THE MATERIAL IN THE SCULPTURES AT RIGHT. GETTING, AND CAN WE GO TO THE LIGHT AND ENERGY? AND THEN WHY DID ENERGY SAYS FUNDING SUPPORT PROVIDED BY ADDISON, OUR FOUNDATION, JEFFERY S R MONTAGE IN HONOR OF HIS DAUGHTER, EMILY KIND OF ALLISON. AND THEN IT GIVES THE MATERIAL CULTURES THAT ARE OUT [04:10:02] THERE. CAN YOU ALSO SHOW, OR CAN I FINISH? SURE. THANK YOU. UM, WE'VE ALSO GOT CUT ONE PLANT ONE WHERE IT'S GOT, UH, A PERSON'S TITLE. I'M NOT EVEN CERTAIN THAT THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER THE NEW ART NAMING POLICY. SO MY, MY POINT, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT I WANT TO MAKE HERE. AND ONE IS, I WISH WE WOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THESE PLAQUES BEFORE WE APPROVE, UH, THE ART NAMING POLICY IN AUGUST, BECAUSE I THINK THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN REALLY HELPFUL. UM, UM, AND I WOULD SAY THAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, WE WANT TO BE, UH, CONSISTENT, I THINK WHAT WE'RE, WHAT I'M ASKING FOR A MEMORY OF IS CONSISTENT WITH, WITH AT LEAST THREE OTHER THREE OTHER PLAQUES THAT ARE, THAT ARE OUT THERE. AND I REALLY DON'T WANT TO CHANGE. I'M NOT RECOMMENDING THAT WE CHANGE THE PLAQUES ALREADY OUT THERE AND REMOVE THAT IN MEMORY OF, OR IN HONOR OF, I, I THINK THAT'D BE A HORRIBLE IDEA. UM, AND AS FAR AS, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME MESSAGING THAT'S BEEN SHARED WITH US THAT IMPROVES THE AESTHETIC TO NOT HAVE IT, UM, I'M REALLY IN MEMORY OF, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT HURTS THE AESTHETIC. AND THEN ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DISTINGUISH PUBLIC ART FROM MEMORIALS. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T DO ANY OF THESE, THESE PLAQUES AS MEMORIALS. I THINK WORDING IS REALLY NICE AND WE'VE GOT SIMILAR WORDING TO OTHER ADDICTS IN ARBOR FOUNDATION. SO YEAH, MY, MY REQUEST IS SUPER, SUPER SIMPLE. AND IT'S, IT'S TO ADD IN MEMORY OF BACK INTO THE, BACK INTO THE OPTIONS OF THE ADDISON, UM, OF THE ART MAYBE POLICY. AND I THINK IN THE FUTURE, UH, FROM A FUND, FROM A FUNDRAISING PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, I'M A PAST SALES AND MARKETING PERSON AND, UM, AND I HAVE DONE FUNDRAISING AND, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY, UH, SOMETHING I WOULD WANT TO BE ABLE TO OFFER AS JUST AN OPTION CHAIR. WELL, I WOULD SAY I ALREADY AM A VOLUNTEER. I'M GETTING $2,600 A YEAR. NOW I'M A CREATIVE. SO YES, I WOULD. UM, I THINK THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE HELPFUL IN FUTURE FUNDRAISING. AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT SOME MORE, I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION AT SOME POINT THAT HAD HAD BACK IN MEMORY OF IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AM I MY FEEDBACK? I THINK THAT TO MY MIND, THE SIMPLEST PATHWAY TO THIS IS TO LEAVE THE POLICY AS IT IS, AND MAKE AN EXCEPTION TO, UH, FOR THIS FAMILY, UH, WHO WAS OF THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, THAT THE CLOCK WOULD SAY NEVER HAVE SOMEHOW THE COMMUNICATION GOT MIXED UP AND THE TIMING WAS BAD AND IT WAS COVID AND IT'S BEEN CRAZY. AND I THINK WE NEED TO HONOR THE FAMILY'S REQUEST AND JUST MAKE AN EXCEPTION TO THE POLICY AND SAY IN MEMORY OF, AND MOVE FORWARD. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE LABOR IN COUNCIL MEETINGS. I THINK THIS IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION. THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING I'M OLD SCHOOL, I BELIEVE IN A HANDSHAKE AGREEMENT. AND MY, MY WORD IS MY BOND AND THAT'S HOW I OPERATE. AND THAT'S HOW I EXPECT OTHER PEOPLE TO OPERATE. NOT ALL PEOPLE DO, BUT THIS WHOLE THING IS JUST, IT'S JUST A MIX UP. AND IT'S A TIMING. IT'S A TIMING MIX UP. AND I WILL SAY THIS AS, AS A RESIDENT ABOUT A CIRCLE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND TONY O'S AND CHEF ANTONIO IS AN INSTITUTION AND ALLISON CIRCLE. AND IF THE FAMILY WANTS THE PLAQUE TO SAY A MEMORY, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DO. I THINK IT'S JUST VERY SIMPLE. YEAH. ADD SOMETHING, ADD SOMETHING TO AMERICANS THOUGHT ABOUT THIS POLICY, BECAUSE I REALLY HADN'T REFLECTED ON THIS UNTIL THE SPECIAL CAME UP. THAT ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED, THE REASON, PART OF THE REASON THAT THE SR FOUNDATION ADVOCATED FOR THE CURRENT POLICY WE PUT IN PLACE WAS SIMPLICITY. BUT THE PART OF THE DETAIL UNDER THAT IS THAT IN THAT POLICY, IT SAYS FOR A DONATION OF $1,500, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR NAME ON A PLAQUE. [04:15:01] AND SO THERE IS A CONCERN THAT BECAUSE MOST OF THESE, THESE SCULPTURES ARE A LOT MORE IN $1,500. AND IN SOMEBODY'S WORDS, OR YOU BELIEVE YOU PUT ON, IF YOU INVENT UTILITY PEOPLE, MAKING THE $1,500 CONTRIBUTION AND ADDING THOSE EXTRA RISK IS THE EXTRA ROUTES YOU WOULDN'T THINK WOULD MATTER. HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE YOU WILLING TO HAVE? AND SO THEY ARGUED FOR SIMPLICITY AND I FIND THE ARGUMENT ON A GO FORWARD BASIS. AND IF EVERYONE KNOWS THIS IS WHAT IT IS THAT KEEPS IT REALLY SIMPLE. I BUY THEIR ARGUMENT. IT'S A SEPARATE QUESTION, WHETHER THIS IS A GOOD BOOK. I BEEN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A DISAGREEMENT AS TO WHEN PEOPLE, WHEN PEOPLE FOUND SOMETHING. SO I'M FINE WITH THE GO FORWARD PIECE AND TRANQUILITY, SORRY, JUST SAID HELP EVERYBODY READ THAT. UM, IT SAYS PEACE AND TRANQUILITY. I NEED SUPPORT PROVIDED BY ADDISON, OUR FOUNDATION AND THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS OF COUNCILMAN ROGER F MELLOW. SO WHAT ARE, TALK TO ME ABOUT IF SOMEONE WANTED TO SAY IN MEMORY OF, AND HAVE A MEMORIAL, SPECIFICALLY MEMORIAL TO WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO THEM? OPTIONS AVAILABLE ARE NEAR THE GIVING TREE OR THE CONFERENCE CENTER. AND THERE ARE VARIOUS, UM, LEAD LEVELS, UH, ACORNS AND SO FORTH THAT CAN BE PURCHASED. AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THOSE THAT, UH, SECOND MEMORY OF, UH, THE PEOPLE HAVE PURCHASED OVER THE YEARS. AND THAT WAS THE INTENT OF GIVING TRUE. AND REALLY, UH, THE, UH, ATLANTIC FOR THE ART ON ASIAN IS THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO NEGOTIATE EACH AND EVERY TIME WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR OUR PLANTS AND SO FORTH. I JUST REMIND MUCH, WE HAVE CONSISTENCY OF TOLO SOUP. IT'S BEEN IN OPERATION FOR OVER 25 YEARS AND POLICIES CHANGE OVER THAT TIME AND JUST LIKE ANY, UH, BUSINESS OR OPERATION POLITICS CHANGE. AND, UH, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, IS THIS STILL DOING THIS? UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WE DON'T DO A MEMORIAL PLAQUE WHERE THEY, OR THE WHOLE BRASS PLAQUE OF MEN AROUND IN FRONT OF SCREENS IT MORE, AND EVERY TIME IT'S DONE AND DONATED A TREE OF MEMORY OF, UH, IT USED TO BE THAT THERE WOULD BE A CLAP. WELL, IT TURNED OUT THAT IT WAS FOR ME GET FIVE, A LAWNMOWER, WEED EATERS. BASICALLY THEY WERE TURNING INTO SHRAPNEL, LOOK, COUNCIL, I WANT TO SUGGEST, UH, I'M NOT GOING TO OPPOSE WHAT COUNCIL WILSON'S GOING TO BE. I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THAT IS HIS PROPOSED MOTION HERE, OR THE INITIATIVE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY. I THINK WE'RE DIGGING INTO THE WEEDS TOO MUCH. UM, I THINK THAT WE RUN THE RISK OF, UH, UH, TAKING THE VOLUNTEERS ON BOARD FOR GRANTED. I THINK WE NEED TO RESPECT THEIR TIME, RESPECT THEIR EXPERTISE. THEY DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB FOR US. I MEAN, TO MY MIND, THEY'VE GOT 1,002, YOU KNOW, I HEARD SOME FRUSTRATION, YOU KNOW, FROM BARBARA ON THIS, ON HERE, SOME FRUSTRATION FROM JAY ON THIS. AND I THINK STRATEGICALLY, WE, WE NEED TO TAKE A REAL HARD LOOK AT PULLING THE RUG OUT FROM A HUNDRED DOWN HERE. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A REAL HARD LOOK AT THAT CHANNEL. AND, AND, AND, AND, AND I, I LIKE IT. TELL ME IT WAS RESTAURANT. I'M SORRY. I HATE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU. I MEAN, YOU'RE FRIENDS AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL FRIENDS AFTER THIS, BUT I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT THIS. I JUST CAN'T Y'ALL. AND I THINK THAT, UM, UH, THE FRIENDS AND FAMILY ATE THEM WORDING, LIKE WE DID A PIECE OF TRANQUILITY IS HONORABLE. IT'S RESPECTFUL, IT'S CONSISTENT. UM, THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO [04:20:01] BACK UP THE ADDISON ARBOR FOUNDATION, OR IT'S OUR CHANCE TO STAB HIM IN THE BACK. NO, THIS, THIS IS NOTHING THAT'S GONE WAY, NOTHING TO DO. I DON'T THINK SO. THEY HAVE THE GREAT JOB HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH . THIS IS A SEPARATE ISSUES. WE APPRECIATE WHAT THEY DO. AND THEN, HOWEVER, THIS IS GRANDFATHER REQUEST WAS MADE THAT TO MARCH RIGHT NOW IS 2021. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT BIG THING. ALL RIGHT, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS, RAISING MORE MONEY FOR ARBOR FOUNDATION, UPPER FOUNDATION, BEING ABLE TO PUT IN MORE PUBLIC ARTS THAT WOULD MAKE BETTER SENSE. SO TO SPEND 30, 40 MINUTES JUST FOR THE MANUAL THINGS, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUGGEST WE DON'T HAVE TO CHECK THE PUBLIC POLICY, THE AUTO POLICY, BUT I WILL DO THE REQUEST. THEY ALL HAVE THAT IN YOURS. MABRY OFF. YEAH. DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. LAURA ADMIN MOTION, JUST STATING, UH, THE MOTION TO, UH, PUT THE, USE THE NAMING AND MEMORY OF CHEF ANTONIO. WHAT THE ITEM IS, IS TO TALK ABOUT POST AMENDING THE PUBLIC ART POLICY. OKAY. SO IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT NEEDS TO BE FOCUSED ON WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE PUBLIC ART BOX, I'VE HAD A FIRST TIME WITH THIS ONE, BUT I'M GOING TO TAKE A STAB AT IT. NO, NO, I, I, AT THIS POINT I DO NOT SUPPORT CHANGING WITHOUT SAYING THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT CAME INITIALLY, BUT I WANT TO PICK UP ON WHAT PAUL SAID, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT WHEN YOU ASK AN ORGANIZATION TO MAKE THE DECISIONS ON HOW SOMETHING IS ADMINISTERED, AND I THINK THEY'VE GIVEN A DUE CONSIDERATION, I DON'T NEED YOU TO GET THE SCHEDULE. I THINK IT'S BEEN OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. I THINK OVERRIDING THEM IS A REALLY SERIOUS, AND I HEAR THE OTHER IDEA OF THE EMOTIONAL HEART GOES OUT TO THEM. BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE DISAGREEMENT ON IN FACT, WHEN THE COMMUNICATION WITH ME. AND SO IT TAKES AN AWFUL LOT FOR ME TO GO BACK TO THEM AND SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO REVERSE WHAT YOU DO. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT PART OF THE MOTION, BUT I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF OVERRIDING HIS NERVE FOUNDATION. HOPE IT DOESN'T COST ME FRIENDS, BUT I JUST HAVE A VERY HARD TIME. YEAH. SO THERE'S TWO WAYS TO SEE IT. SO OVERRIDING, RIGHT. SO I HAVE NO INTENTION OR DESIRE OF PULLING THE RUG OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THE ASTHMA FOUNDATION OR STABBING THEM IN THE BACK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I LOVE THE WORK THEY DO. I'VE SUPPORTED IT FROM DAY ONE AND I'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO. THEY CONTINUE TO DO EXCEPTIONAL WORK. UH, DR. ERIC IN PARTICULAR HAS AN EYE FOR ART, UH, LIKE NO ONE ELSE IN THIS TOWN. AND WE'RE, WE'RE BLESSED TO HAVE HIM LEADING THIS ORGANIZATION, UH, VERY PASSIONATE. UM, BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE WAS AN UNDERSTANDING PREVIOUS TO THE CHANGES AND THE AMENDMENTS AND THE POLICY. AND WHAT I WANT TO BE SURE OF IS THAT WE HONOR THE OTHER INSTITUTION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS ANTONIO'S RESTAURANT AND CHEF ANTONIO AND THE FAMILY WHO IS GRIEVING HIS LOSS AND WHO MADE DONATIONS BASED ON THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE WORDING WOULD BE. THEY WERE VERY CLEAR THAT THEY BELIEVE THE WOULD BE IN MEMORY OF, OR AN HONOR AND MEMORY OF, AND SO I'M IN FAVOR OF TWO THINGS. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF CHANGING POLICY, BUT WHAT I AM IN FAVOR OF IS HONORING AND NOT BACKSTABBING THE VERBAL AGREEMENT THAT WAS MADE RIGHT OR WRONG WITH THE FAMILY AND NOT PULLING THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER THEM EITHER. I THINK WIN-WIN STORY. HE HAS TO MARRY ME. MAY I MAKE A STATEMENT? THERE WAS NO VERBAL AGREEMENT AND I DO, I AM SOMEWHAT OFFENDED BY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE THAT YOU'RE OFFENDED. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT, WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS OFFENDING YOU? THERE WAS NO VERBAL AGREEMENT AND YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT GIVING YOUR WORD. I KEEP MY WORK. ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT THERE WAS NONE UNLESS AWARE, DOCUMENTED THIS. WE HAVE KEPT [04:25:01] THEM IN THE LOOP ON THIS. I ALSO PARTLY OFFENDED LIKE THE, UH, WE'VE MADE SOME PROMISE THAT WE DO KEEP THIS. THIS IS NOT THE CASE. FAMILY'S ANTICIPATE EXPECTATION APPARENTLY WAS GREATER THAN WHAT WE, UH, HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE FAMILY. UM, YOU KNOW, FRIENDS AND FAMILY, UH, IS CONSISTENT. THIS ALLOWS YOU TO BE CONSISTENT GOING FORTH. I DON'T SEE THAT THIS IS, AND IF YOU CAN MEET, IT'S BASICALLY IS IT'S, UH, HAVING, UH, YOU LOOK AT IT THIS WAY, YOU HAVE A CHILD WHO ISN'T GETTING THEIR ANSWER. THEY GO TO MOM AND POP IS DIFFERENT THAN YOU GO TO DAD. AND THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE SOME OF THEM WAS NOT HAPPY WITH THE DECISION MADE BY THE SMR FOUNDATION. AND THEY DECIDED TO GO TO THE CASTLE. UH, AND THEY SAID, CAN YOU SEPARATE OLDER? YEAH. SO CAN YOU CONFIRM THEM WITH ME, BARBARA J WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT THERE WAS NEVER ANY COMMUNICATION BETWEEN, BETWEEN YOU AND THE FAMILY OR YOUR ORGANIZATION, THE FAMILY ABOUT, UM, AND MEMORY OF CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. WHAT ABOUT THE, THE SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS THAT WAS PUT OUT ON FACEBOOK IN US? HE DID NOT SPECIFY THE WORDING AND, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A MISUNDERSTANDING. I FEEL REALLY BAD ABOUT IT. I MIGHT TAKE, I'LL TAKE THE BLAME, BUT I DID COMMUNICATE. I THINK THE MISTAKE WE MADE WAS HAVING A FUNDRAISER AND NOT COMMUNICATING DIRECTLY LIVE WITH FAMILY ON, ON THIS FROM THE BEGINNING. AND THAT, THAT IS WHERE I THINK THE, UM, MISUNDERSTANDING HAS COME ABOUT. WE NEVER DISCUSSED USING THE WORDS IN MEMORY OF, WE DID NOT BE WHEN, YOU KNOW, VERY EARLY IN THE FUNDRAISING PROCESS, WHEN NOBODY WAS RAISED, WE STARTED TO DISCUSS THE FACT THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A CHANGE IN THE NAMING RECOGNITION POLICY AND THAT THE WORDING WOULD BE LIMITED. AND I HAD SPENT HOURS AND HOURS OF MY TIME. YEAH. SO I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY GETTING TO THE HEART OF IT. AND I THINK THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER NUANCE, WHICH IS WHERE THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION OF INFORMATION THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS PRESENTED TO ME. UNFORTUNATELY, THE, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT PRESENTED IT ARE NO LONGER IN THE ROOM. SO I CAN'T, THIS SHOULD NEVER BE, IT SHOULD NEVER BE THIS SHOULD NEVER. YEAH. SO THE, MY, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS, AND I THINK THIS COULD BE A NUANCE. ANOTHER, UH, TANGLE IS THAT PERHAPS, UM, SOMEONE SPOKE, EH, MAYBE NOT ON BEHALF OF THE ARBOR FOUNDATION, BUT MAYBE THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE SPEAKING. UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, SOMEONE'S SPOKE OUT OF TURN OR SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. THE UNDERSTANDING FROM THE FAMILY, UH, WAS INCORRECT, RIGHT. FOR THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE FAMILY WAS INCORRECT. NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU USED OR, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TOLD THEM, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE THE RESIDENTS OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE TOLD THEM THAT. AND THEN THAT'S WHERE PART OF THE PROBLEM IS COMING AS WELL. THEY THOUGHT IF THEY MADE A DONATION AND MONETARY DONATION, THEN THE PLAQUE WOULD SAY IN MEMORY OF, AND SO TO THEIR MIND, THEY MADE THAT DONATION BASED ON ERRONEOUS INFORMATION POSSIBLY. AND THAT'S WHERE PART OF THE PROBLEM IS COMING FROM AS WELL. THAT'S, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. AND NOW I'M HEARING THAT, THAT YOU NEVER HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM, CORRECT. THERE WAS NEVER A SPECIFIC CONVERSATION ON WORDING. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS. I WANT TO SHARE IT AND MAYBE HELPFUL ALONG THE LINE OF WHAT LORI IS ALLUDING TO IS, IS, UM, UH, THERE WAS A SOCIAL MEDIA POST THAT WAS MADE ON, ON FACEBOOK. IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL POST AND CHRIS STEWART MADE IT, AND I SHARED IT ON, ON, ON, UH, MY FACEBOOK PAGE. AND, AND IF YOU READ THE POST AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS APPROVED BEFORE IT WENT OUT, UH, OR THE ADDISON ARBOR FOUNDATION, UM, IT, IT REFERS TO, OR WE'RE RAISING MONEY TO HONOR THE LIFE OF CHEF ANTONIO. I'M NOT GOING TO READ THE EXACT WORDS, BUT THAT THEME WAS THERE. AND THEN, AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY, UM, THE EDISON FOUNDATION HAD A GREAT IDEA THAT THEY SHARED THE DONORS WELL WITH TRISH [04:30:01] AND SOME OF THE OTHER DONORS, WHICH IS, HEY, WHY DON'T YOU PUT A REMEMBRANCE PLAQUE OF CHEF ANTONIO, UM, THAT WE CAN HANG AT ANTONIO'S RESTAURANT TO AGAIN, TO, TO HONOR HIS MEMORY. AND, AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE LOOKED AT THESE ITEMS AND THERE'S THAT, THAT CHAIN OF THOUGHT. AND, BUT, BUT I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE, THERE WAS EVER A FORM THAT SAID, HEY, SIGN OFF ON IT. WE'LL TAKE, WE'LL TAKE THE DONATION AND SIGN OFF ON THE FORM. HERE'S THE WORDS. BUT THAT'S THAT, THAT, THAT IS WHERE I THINK THE THOUGHT CAME FROM. AND I HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL. WELL, LET ME GIVE YOU THE CONTEXT ON THAT, THAT ADDITIONAL THING. PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT ADDITIONAL THING WAS BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO BE LIMITED IN THE WORDING, AND I THOUGHT IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE A WAY TO KNOW, RECOGNIZE, YOU KNOW, THE DONORS AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ADDITIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE DISCUSSING THE FRENCH LANGUAGE AND THAT WE WOULDN'T BE USING YOUR MEMORY. YOU WERE DISCUSSING THAT INTERNALLY RETROSPECT. UM, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T SEE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE FAMILY HAD AN IDEA OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE BLACK, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHAT I SAID, AND I KNOW THAT NO PROBLEMS WERE MADE TO SAY MEMORY OF, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT TOOK A VERY UNFORTUNATE, UM, SITUATION. WELL, I'M, WELL, ONE THING BARBARA, I WANT TO MAKE VERY CLEAR TO BOTH OF YOU IS THAT I AM NOT ACCUSING YOU. IF ANY OF YOU, ANY ONE ASSOCIATED WITH THE ARBOR FOUNDATION OF, UH, TELLING THE FAMILY THAT THEY COULD SPECIFICALLY SAYING MEMORANDUM, BUT THEN YOU DIDN'T DO IT. I THINK WHERE THE CONFUSION CAME FROM IS WHEN TRISHA BECAME INVOLVED, TRISHA STEWART AND WAS ADVOCATING FOR THE FAMILY. AND THERE WAS SOME COMMUNICATION THAT TOOK PLACE THERE. AND IT WENT ON FOR SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, WITHOUT ANY CLARIFICATION OR UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THE FAMILY ASSUMED THAT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. AND IF YOU LISTENED TO WHAT THEY SAID TONIGHT, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW WORDS MATTER AND THE LEGACY OF CHEF ANTONIO, ET CETERA. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE GRIEVING AND YOU'RE GRIEVING, IT'S HARD. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TOUGH, IT'S TOUGH STUFF. SO, BUT I DO THINK IT'S A SITUATION WHERE YOUR THIRD PART OF IT WAS NEGOTIATING. SOMETHING HAVE TO SOMETHING THAT WE DID NOT. YEAH. AND I THINK I'M CLEAR ON THAT NOW. UH, DR. EIRICH, UH, AND I, AND THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BENEFIT OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS AND LEARNING ALL OF THE INFORMATION, UH, UNFORTUNATELY PATRICIA LEFT. AND SO I CAN'T, I CAN'T GET, YOU KNOW, WE DID, UH, WE HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND ANY THAT WE'VE EVER HAD TO DO BEFORE. UM, MORE THAN ACCOMMODATED OUT THEIR REQUESTS BEING HAVE SPANNED THE WORDING STANDARD IT, UM, AND EVERYTHING YOU POSSIBLY CAN. AND SO THE WORDING THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS FLAT, IT JUST IS VERY FITTING TRIBUTE TO AUDIO. YEAH. AND INSTEAD OF IT SAYING SPECIFICALLY IN MEMORY, IT EXPANDS IT TO, CAN YOU SAY AGAIN, I CAN'T SEE. I CAN, I CAN, I CAN'T SEE FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND FRIENDS OR FRIENDS AND FAMILY, AND THEN I CAN'T SEE IT AS WELL. MY IPHONE, I'M SORRY. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT VERSION FOUR OR BARBER? I GUESS THREE. I THINK THEY ALL, EXCEPT FOR THE FIRST ONE, I THINK THAT THE REST OF THEM SAY THE SAME THING, BUT WHERE DID IT GO? UH, JANET, CAN YOU GO BACK, PLEASE? THANK YOU. I THINK THE, UH, IT SAYS SUPPORT, UH, EXCUSE ME. SUPPORT ARE PROVIDED BY THE FRIENDS AND FAMILY OF CHEF ANTONIO ABOUT NOW. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. I MEAN, DON'T EVEN SAY THAT IT SAYS THAT THE TOWN OF MADISON IT'S GOT THE ARBOR FOUNDATION THING IN THE POCKET, [04:35:01] IN THE BACK IT'S I THINK THAT'S PRETTY SPECIAL A PLAQUE. WHAT IT CLEARLY CLEARLY SPEAKS TO HONORING THAT YOU CAME HERE, YOU CAN'T READ IT, BUT IT DOES SAY IT RIGHT OVER THE WEEK. IT'S THIS TOWN. IT DOES IT SUPPORT PROVIDED BY FRIENDS AND FAMILY OF SHOWS. IT'S A FAMILY. YOU SAID, ANTONIO ANA, AND THEN THERE'S ALL THIS SPACE RIGHT HERE. IT SAYS TOWN OF MADISON. AND RIGHT HERE, IT SAYS A CLASS IN COURTS AND THE STEEL CORE 10 CORE TEAM TENDS TO NO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS, I, THIS HAS BEEN A TERRIBLE MISUNDERSTANDING. AND AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SUPPORT CHANGING POLICY. AND AFTER LEARNING THAT THE ARBOR FOUNDATION NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC AGREEMENT WITH THE FAMILY TO USE THE WARNING AND MEMORY OF, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND GO WITH, UH, WITH WHAT YOU HAVE HERE NOW. HOW, HOW DID THAT AGREEMENT TAKE TAKING PLACE VERBALLY? I WOULD STILL HELD MY POSITION, BUT I CERTAINLY DON'T SEE THAT AS ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED. I THINK THIS WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING. AND HONESTLY, I KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING. I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T ALL EVERYBODY HAD. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN PLAQUE HAS THE, HAS CHEF ANTONIO'S, YOU KNOW, THE TRIBUTE TO CHEF ANTONIO MISSION, YOU KNOW, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED THERE. UM, YEAH, YOU'VE BEEN QUIET. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK MARK AND BARBARA IS TOM BROWN. UM, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, WOULD YOU GUYS, IF WE HADN'T MADE THE CHANGE TO THE POLICY, DO YOU THINK YOU WERE, WOULD YOU GUYS AS A FOUNDATION APPROVE THAT TO SAY IN MEMORY OF HIM, OR WERE YOU MOVING AWAY FROM IT? WE WERE ALREADY MOVING AWAY FROM THAT. WE WERE ALREADY HERE. I MEAN, YOU DON'T REALLY LOOK PRIOR AND SHE DIDN'T COME BACK TO THE OTHER CLASS. WE USED TO HAVE SUPPORT PROVIDED BY THE ABAS ALARM FOUNDATION, YOU KNOW, UM, SORT OF TOO, WE'LL GET THERE BECAUSE WE TOOK THAT OFF AND, YOU KNOW, SO OUR GOT, WE WERE GOING TO BE TWO. NOW I HAVE WHAT WE MIGHT'VE USED IN THE PAST BLACK ONE, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE NEGOTIATION ABOUT WORDING AND TO, YOU KNOW, TO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, HE, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO GET AWAY FROM THAT KIND OF THING. SO, UM, YEAH, WE WERE ALREADY MOVING AWAY FROM IT WITHOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE TOWN, UM, TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO THAT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, RECOGNITION OF MINIMAL ALIGNMENT BETWEEN WHAT WAS STATED IN THE PUBLIC ART POLICY. AND THAT MEANS THAT YOU'RE READY, THAT NEEDED TO BE ALIGNED IN THAT DIRECTION, RIGHT. WITH HER. I HAD, I KNOW THIS AND I WOULDN'T HAVE VOTED FOR THE PUBLIC ART POLICY BACK TO AUGUST 25TH. AND I DON'T BELIEVE, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE THIS POLICY, BUT I WOULD REQUEST YOU WOULD CONSIDER TO PUT IT YOUR MEMORY OFF BECAUSE IT'S WHAT MAKE BACK TO MARCH 24TH. IT'S BEEN A LONG, LONG TIME. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHATEVER WE DO WITH SUPPORT, YOU HAVE OUR FOUNDATION FROM BEGINNING TO END, WE WON EVERY PARTY. WE WIN. YOU'LL HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB. WE SPENT 45 MINUTES TO DISCUSS THIS. I DON'T REALLY THINK IT'S MUCH WORTH IT. AND THE CHEF ANTONIO IS A GREAT CHEF. I MEAN, WHY WE SHOULD DO THIS? THIS SHOULD BE GRANDFATHER. SO YOU'RE WAYNE CITY, WAYNE CITY COUNCIL. AND ALSO PEOPLE REQUEST THIS. THEY WOULD, IT SHOULD BE A HAPPY RESOLUTION INSTEAD OF EVERYBODY DEBATING FOR 45 MINUTES AND FOR THIS. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO EVERYONE HERE. I AGREED ON THAT. I'M IN AGREEMENT. I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. I DON'T WANT CHANGE ON POLICY, BUT I WOULDN'T REQUEST OTHER FOUNDATION EXCEPT THE REQUEST IN MEMORY OF, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS SUCH A BIG DEAL. YOU CANNOT DO IT. DONALD [04:40:01] JRF IS A WEB ADVOCATED PERSON. BARBARA IS A GREAT PERSON. YOU BOTH HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB TO KEEP THIS TOWN IN PEACE. AND I OFFICIALLY REQUEST YOU BOTH ACCEPTED REQUESTS PUT IN MEMORY OF HONOR. AND I WANT TO END THIS, THIS SUBJECT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST A MOTION. DO I HAVE MOTION THREE? NOT CHANGING. OKAY. YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW, JUST MOVE ON. JUST MOVE ON. [13. Present and Discuss the 2021 Special Events Preview.] ITEM 13, PRESENT, DISCUSS THE 20, 21 SPECIAL EVENTS. MAYBE PRESENTATIONS TIRED. I PROMISE IT'S NOT THAT BAD. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, JASMINE LEE DIRECTOR OF SPECIAL EVENT. AND I AM HERE THIS EVENING TO SHARE, AND A PREVIEW OF OUR PLANS ARE FISCALLY OR 2021 SPECIAL EVENTS. AS YOU ALL KNOW, 2020, IT WAS NOT THE NORMAL YEAR FOR ANYTHING. AND CERTAINLY NOT IN THE WORLD OF SPECIAL EVENTS. WE DID END UP CANCELING ALL OF OUR MAJOR FESTIVALS WITH THE BOONTOWN, DOING THE ALTERNATE VIRTUAL DISPLAY. AND OUR EDISON AFTER DARK EVENT SERIES WAS TRANSITIONED INTO A DRIVE IN CONCERT SERIES. AND SO AS WE BEGAN PLANNING FOR THE 2021 FESTIVALS, WE STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT WE COULD DO TO MAKE THESE EVENTS TAKE PLACE UNDER THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES. SO THAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THE CHANGES, BUT I'LL DISCUSS FOR THE EVENTS. THESE CHANGES ARE INTENDED FOR 2021. THESE ARE CHANGES MEANT IN ORDER TO ALLOW THESE EVENTS TO EXIST IN A STILL COVID FILLED WORLD. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES, BUT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED WHAT WE FEEL ARE WAYS TO SAFELY EXECUTE ALL OF OUR BUDGETED. AND SO CHANGES THAT WILL TAKE PLACE ACROSS EVERY EVENT IS LIMITING CAPACITY. UH, THAT IS OUR BEST WAY TO ENGAGE IN SOCIAL DISTANCING. OUR EVENTS ARE GENERALLY KNOWN FOR GREAT BIG CROWDS, AND THAT IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT. EXACTLY WHAT THE CAPACITY NUMBERS WOULD BE, WILL BE DETERMINED AS WE GET CLOSER TO EACH. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IN JANUARY, I CAN SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO BE. AND WE DO HAVE NUMBERS IN MIND RIGHT NOW, BUT COME MARCH, APRIL, MAY, WE MIGHT FIND THAT WE'RE IN A BETTER PLACE AND THOSE NUMBERS [04:45:01] CAN BE HIGHER. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT BUDGET WE'VE, WE'VE ADJUSTED. WE'VE ALREADY DETERMINED WAYS TO ADJUST THE LAYOUTS, TO ALLOW FOR SOCIAL DISTANCING, OF COURSE, ADDITIONAL SANITISATION ALL THROUGHOUT THE EVENT. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT FINDING WAYS TO LIMIT INTERACTIONS THAT INCLUDES PUSHING TICKET SALES, PRIMARILY ONLINE, ALTHOUGH YOU WILL, IF WE'RE NOT SOLD OUT, HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET TICKETS AT THE GATE, BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY MAKING A PUSH FOR TICKET SALES TO TAKE PLACE ONLINE. AND THEN WE'RE REDUCING HOW MUCH WE DO IN INDOOR SPACES OR CREATIVE INDOOR SPACES, UM, AS WELL AS CHANGES TO OUR FOOD SERVICE OPERATIONS. AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. UM, IN JUST A FEW MINUTES, JASMINE, WHILE YOU'RE ON THIS SLIDE, UM, WHAT ARE OUR CAPACITY RESTRICTIONS ON COVID-19 RIGHT NOW FOR AN EVENT? SO THE CURRENT RESTRICTIONS ARE SIMPLY, THERE IS NO MASS RESTRICTION. THERE IS A RESTRICTION THAT PEOPLE CAN NOT GATHER AND ROOT CIVIL LARGER THAN 10, UH, WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THE MAYOR. SO BEYOND THAT, THERE IS NO RESTRICTION. THERE IS NO MAXIMUM CAPACITY FOR REBATES. YOU TECHNICALLY COULD HAVE AN EVENT OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE SO LONG AS YOU KEPT THOSE PEOPLE GROUP DID GROUPS OF NO MORE THAN 10 IN EACH GROUP, AT LEAST SIX FEET APART FROM EACH OTHER. AND THAT'S WHY THE DESIGN IS MEANT TO ENCOURAGE SOCIAL DISTANCING. LIKE WE DID WITH HOLIDAY IN THE PARK WHERE WE SPACE THINGS OUT, WE'D HAVE THE CIRCLES, SO PEOPLE COULD COME, BUT GROUPS COULD STILL MAINTAIN THAT SIX FOOT DISTANCE, UM, POLICIES ON THINGS SUCH AS MASKS AND WHETHER THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED. AND AS I SAID, SPECIFIC CAPACITY LIMITATIONS WILL BE DETERMINED AS WE GET CLOSER. WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT THE EXISTING OPEN TEXAS GUIDELINES ARE AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND USE THAT TO FACTOR IN WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS AND POLICIES WOULD BE GIVEN. UH, SO FIRST UP, STARTING IN APRIL, WE'LL BE OUT OF SUN AFTER DARK ADDISON. AFTER DARK IS OUR MONTHLY EVENT SERIES TAKES PLACE ON THE THIRD SATURDAY OF EVERY MONTH FROM APRIL THROUGH NOVEMBER WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SEPTEMBER, BECAUSE THAT IS OCTOBER FEST WEEKEND IN SEPTEMBER AND EACH MONTH HAS ITS OWN UNIQUE THEME. MOST OF THESE THEMES ARE CARRIED OR ON WHAT WE WERE PLANNING TO DO IN 2020 ARE BANDS THAT WE HAD BOOKED AND UNDER DEPOSIT WE'VE MANAGED TO CARRY FORWARD. ALL OF THE BANDS THAT WE HAD BOOKED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE THAT WE WENT AHEAD AND UTILIZED FOR THE WEEKEND DRIVE IN SERIES OF 2020. SO WE DID NOT LOSE ANY OF THE MONEY. WE PAID OUT DEPOSITS FOR THE BANDS FOR LAST YEAR'S OUT OF SOME AFTER DARK EVENT. UM, ESSENTIALLY THE BIGGEST CHANGE WE'VE MADE TO ADDISON AFTER DARK IS THAT THE EVENT ORIGINALLY TOOK PLACE AT THE BOWL STAGE. WE'LL BE MOVING IT OVER TO THE ELLIPSE TO ALLOW FOR MORE DISTANCING. THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY LIMITATION. THIS IS AN EVENT GENERALLY BRINGS OUT IN THE PAST HAS BROUGHT ABOUT 750 PEOPLE OUT. WE DO EXPECT THAT MAY INCREASE BECAUSE A LOT OF OTHER EVENTS ARE CANCELED AND THEN SOME MORE PEOPLE MAY COME, BUT NOT TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CAPACITY OR THE ABILITY FOR THE CAR TO MANAGE THE CROWDS THAT WOULD COME OUT TO THESE EVENTS. SO OUR FIRST MAJOR FESTIVAL WOULD BE TASTE ADDISON. UM, THE FIRST BIG CHANGE THAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS THAT IT IS A TWO DAY FESTIVAL AND NOT A THREE-DAY FESTIVAL THIS YEAR. IT IS FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, FRIDAY FROM SIX TO MIDNIGHT AND SATURDAY FROM NOON TO MIDNIGHT, WE DID A REACH OUT TO SEVERAL OF OUR REGULAR PARTICIPATING RESTAURANTS TO DISCUSS THIS CHANGE, TO FIND THEIR INPUT. AND WE FOUND THAT THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF MAKING THE CHANGE OF ELIMINATING SUNDAY. UH, ONE THING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IN ORDER TO MANAGE THE DECREASED CAPACITY OF THE PARK IN LIGHT OF SOCIAL DISTANCING IS TO ACTUALLY SPLIT SATURDAY INTO TWO TICKETED TIMEFRAMES. SO THAT RATHER THAN IT BE A 12 HOUR LONG TICKET, THAT TICKET WOULD BE VALID FOR A FIVE TO SIX HOUR PERIOD, JUST LIKE IT IS ON FRIDAY. UM, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE ON SATURDAY, WHICH WOULD DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE SUPPORTING OUR VENDORS. AND, AND OF COURSE, UM, JUST ENJOYING THE EVENT, COMING TO TOWN, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO MAY BOOK HOTEL ROOMS, ALL OF THE IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE EVENT BY, BY SPLITTING THAT UP, UM, A FINAL DETERMINATION ON THAT WON'T BE MADE UNTIL WE GET CLOSER TO ACTUALLY PUTTING TICKETS ON SALE. WHEN WE SEE WHAT THE ENVIRONMENT IS AT THAT POINT. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. SO HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU ENVISION THAT WORKING IF YOU DO IT THAT WAY? I'M JUST CURIOUS. SO TICKETS, WELL, WHEN WE WOULD MAKE THE FINAL DETERMINATION BEFORE TICKETS GO ON SALE. SO WHEN TICKETS GO ON SALE, IT WOULD BE ADVERTISED, BUT IT TOOK, IT WAS FOR A SET TIMEFRAME AFTER THE EVENT SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW IN ADVANCE EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR. WE WOULD ACTUALLY DISCOUNT THE SATURDAY AFTERNOON TICKET BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE WOULD NOT SEE THE BIG NATIONAL HEADLINER THAT THE EVENING TICKET WOULD SEE. HOWEVER, WE WOULD ACTUALLY SPLIT OUR FOUR SATURDAY NATIONAL ACTS BETWEEN THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING. SO EVERYONE WOULD SEE SOME OF OUR NATIONAL ANNOTATE. [04:50:03] YEAH. THAT'S IT LIKE, WELL, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT? YOU GONNA MAKE A BIG ANNOUNCEMENT TO SAY EVERYBODY EVACUATED THE PARK AND GIVE, GET 30 MINUTES TO GET OUT. I'M JUST, YEAH. SO IF YOU, IF YOU THINK, UM, KABOOM TOWN, WHEN WE'VE GOT 25,000 PEOPLE IN THE PARK AND WE'RE TRYING TO, TO, TO EMPTY THE PARK OUT, OBVIOUSLY THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN QUICKLY. IT TAKES ANYWHERE FROM AN HOUR TO AN HOUR AND A HALF TO GET EVERYBODY OUT OF THE PARK. UM, HOWEVER, WE WOULD ONLY BE DOING THIS. IF OUR CAPACITY RESTRICTIONS REMAIN TO WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY ENVISIONING, THEY WOULD BE RIGHT NOW AND DON'T GET BETTER AT THAT POINT. WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT HAVING TO VACATE FOUR TO 5,000 PEOPLE FROM THE PARK AS OPPOSED TO 25,000 PEOPLE FROM THE PARK. SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE SAME OF PEOPLE. AND SO THE ABILITY FOR US TO EXECUTE THAT WOULD BE, WOULD BE EASIER. UM, AND WE WOULD NOT BE LOOKING AT EXECUTING ALL OF THAT IN 30 MINUTES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. WE RECOGNIZE THAT. UM, SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT AS A WAY TO MAINTAIN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT CAN COME TO THE EVENT, BUT WE'RE OBVIOUSLY VERY HOPEFUL THAT THINGS WILL BE IN A BETTER PLACE. AND THIS ISN'T SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO FACILITATE GETTING PEOPLE INTO THE PARK. I THINK, UH, ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT HAVING THE AWESOME STAFF WE HAVE IS THAT ONE DEAL THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE ON ANY CHALLENGE. AND WHILE WE RECOGNIZE THAT WHILE IT WOULD BE EASIER TO CLEAR FOUR OR 5,000 PEOPLE FROM THE PARK, THEN 25,000 PEOPLE, IT WILL STILL BE DIFFICULT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO, TO BE REALISTIC, BUT OPTIMISTIC. AND WE'RE, THERE'S A LOT TO A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE. SO, AND IN THIS SCENARIO, THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD SAY ON THE TICKET, RIGHT? YOUR FRIDAY NIGHT, FRIDAY, AND WOULD IT BE LIKE A DIFFERENT COLOR BAND OR SOMETHING SO THAT, OR HOWEVER, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE THAT YOU HAVE BLUE BAND YOU'RE KIND OF EXITING PEOPLE STAY, THERE WOULD BE A GAP WHERE THE PARK WOULD BE COMPLETELY VACANT. SO THERE WOULD NEED TO DETERMINE BETWEEN THESE TWO. SO WE LOOK COMPLETELY VACATE THE CAR, DO A DEEP CLEAN OF THINGS, CHANGE OUT TABLE COVERINGS AND WHATNOT. BEFORE WE STARTED BRINGING IN THE NEXT ONE THAT SAID IT STILL WOULD BE A CHALLENGE. AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT. AND AS WES SAID, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF DETAILS TO FIGURE OUT LIKE A BASEBALL DOUBLEHEADER . WE CAN JUST HAVE ONE THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARY. UM, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT OUR CAPACITY LIMITATIONS, WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE IS WE'VE SAT AND LOOKED AT EACH EVENT'S LAYOUT AND WE'VE CALCULATED AND ACTUALLY MAPPED OUT. WE'VE GOT MAPS WITH CIRCLES ALL OVER THE PARK TO DETERMINE HOW WE COULD DISTANCE PEOPLE TO KEEP IN LINE WITH THE RESTRICTIONS, TO DETERMINE WHAT THE CAPACITY IS FOR EACH PARK UNDER THE CURRENT GUIDELINES. AND LOOKING AT THAT, THE NUMBERS ARE JUST SO LOW THAT THIS WAS, I WAS TRYING TO FIND A WAY. HOWEVER, IF THOSE RESTRICTIONS CHANGE, IF GROUPS CAN BE LARGER THAN 10, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE SIX FEET APART. IF THINGS CHANGE, THEN THAT WOULD DRASTICALLY INCREASE THE CAPACITY AND NEGATE THE NEED TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WHAT'S BEEN THE ENTHUSIASM OF RESTAURANTS FOR TASTE STATUS. UH, SO WE PUT THE APPLICATIONS OUT, UH, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES. WE PUT THE APPLICATIONS OUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MONTH, SENT OUT, UH, A LETTER WITH INFORMATION. AND TO THIS POINT, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY APPLICATIONS FROM RESTAURANTS, UM, TO PARTICIPATE IN THE POTTER. WE HAVE A NEW OPPORTUNITY THAT WE'RE OFFERING, WHICH I'LL TALK AGAIN ABOUT IN JUST A MOMENT, BUT IT IS NOT IN THE PARK SALES, BUT IT'S A SPECIAL ACTIVITY THAT WE'RE DOING WITH SAMPLING. AND WE HAVE ONE RESTAURANT THAT HAS SUBMITTED INTEREST IN THAT. UM, WE'RE HAVING A MEETING WITH THE RESTAURANTS ON THURSDAY OF THIS WEEK. SO WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS, EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT WHAT OUR PROTOCOLS ARE. WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF CALLS AND QUESTIONS SAYING, YOU KNOW, IS THIS A BIT REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN? SHOULD WE SIGN UP OR WILL IT BE CANCELED? AND SO I THINK ONCE WE'RE ABLE TO SPEAK A LITTLE MORE TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO AND HOW WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT IT, IT MAY EASE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS, BUT AT THIS POINT WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY APPLICATIONS. YEAH. I CAN UNDERSTAND EVEN MYSELF, UM, NASA INTERESTING BECAUSE OF THE COVID-19 RIGHT. SO I HAVE A NEIGHBORING RESTAURANT OR EXPRESS. THEY'RE NOT THAT INTERESTING SINCE, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S THE REASON I ASKED WES ON LAST TUESDAY, THE MEETING TOLD ME HOW MANY PEOPLE, HOW MANY RESTAURANTS SIGNED ON. SO, YOU KNOW, UH, I WONDER THIS IS GOOD TIMING TO DO THIS. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WE TRY TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE ALL THOSE IN ATTENDANCE OR HEY, LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW, SO THEY WANT TO HONOR [04:55:01] WHAT WE PAID THEM TO DO. SO, BUT I JUST DON'T FEEL SO OPTIMISTIC ON THIS. YOU KNOW, UH, EVERYBODY APPRECIATED FOR YOUR EFFORT, BUT AS THIS JUST, AND LAST EVERYBODY HAD IT VACCINE, YOU KNOW, OTHERWISE WE, EVERYBODY HAS LUNG CONCERN. THAT'S NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, BECAUSE COVID-19 EVERY MOST RESTAURANT REDUCED THE NUMBER OF STAFF. SO THEY DON'T HAVE AS MANY SODAS EMPLOYEES LIKE WHAT THEY HAD BEFORE. SO IT'S DIFFICULT. THAT'S MY 2 CENTS. AND SO JASMINE ME, IT'S MARRIAGE, THE RESTAURANT TOUR, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY WANTING TO SERVE FOOD THERE AT SOME POINT BECAME A CONCERT. THE REST OF THE LISTENER LISTENS TO THE TASTE HERE. ALLISON, CAN WE LET HER GET THROUGH THE PRESENTATION? I HAVE A SLIDE THAT WILL SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO, AND I CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO OUR PLANS AND SORT OF OUR BACKUP PLANS AS FAR AS FOOD AND BEVERAGE. UM, SO WITH ALL THE CHANGES TO THE LAYOUT, THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE VIP OFFERING. IT TASTES OUT OF SOME THIS YEAR. UH, WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO SELL A VIP TICKET TO THE PUBLIC, UH, BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAXIMIZE DISTANCING AND SPACE IN THE PARK, ALLOCATING THAT LARGE SPACE NEAR THE MAIN STAGE SPECIFIC TO A VIP AREA TAKES AWAY FROM OUR TOTAL CAPACITY AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WE CAN GET INTO THE PARK. SO THE INTENTION WAS TO ELIMINATE THAT VIP AREA FOR THIS YEAR TO ALLOW US TO MAXIMIZE SPACE IN THE PARK. HOWEVER, WE WOULD STILL HAVE A VIP PASS AVAILABLE FOR SPECIAL GUESTS THAT WOULD OFFER A VARIETY OF BENEFITS, INCLUDING ADMISSION, BEVERAGE TICKETS, A DISCOUNT TO ANY MERCHANDISE PURCHASED AS WELL AS A TICKET TO THE TASTING ROOM, WHICH I WILL TELL YOU ABOUT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE. UM, SO FEATURED AIRWAY IS ONE OF THE NEW AREAS THAT, UH, WE'RE DEVELOPING A CONCEPT FOR AT LEAST THIS YEAR IS THE TASTING ROOM THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE INSIDE OF THE CONFERENCE CENTER. AND WHAT THIS WOULD BE IS ADDISON RESTAURANTS THAT WOULD OFFER SAMPLES. WE WOULD HAVE A SET QUANTITY OF RESTAURANTS INSIDE PEOPLE WOULD PAY A SMALL FEE FOR A TICKET ACCESS, AND THAT WOULD HELP US LIMIT CAPACITY FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE CAME IN AT ANY GIVEN TIME. AND THEY WOULD GET SAMPLES FROM A SELECTION OF ADDISON RESTAURANTS, AS WELL AS SAMPLES FROM WINE AND SPIRITS SPONSORS IN THIS SPACE. AND SO IT WOULD BE AN ALTERNATE USE OF IN THE PAST. WE'VE HAD CULINARY DEMONSTRATIONS ON A STAGE INSIDE THE CONFERENCE CENTER. IT'S GENERALLY NOT VERY WELL ATTENDED. IT HASN'T BEEN VERY HIGH ON THE REVIEWS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. SO WE WERE LOOKING FOR AN ALTERNATE WAY TO UTILIZE THAT SPACE AND STILL EAT YOUR ADDISON RESTAURANTS. UM, OTHER AREAS THAT WILL BE FEATURED AROUND THE EVENT INCLUDE A VARIETY OF FAMILY FRIENDLY ACTIVITIES. THE DISCOVERY DEPO IS FOR KIDS. ADVENTURE GROVE IS A NEW AREA THAT WE'D ADDED THAT WOULD INCLUDE VARIOUS ATTRACTIONS AND RIDES GEARED TOWARDS SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN. UM, THE ADRENALIN ZONE IS A SPECIAL CONCEPT FOR THE CARNIVAL. UH, WE WERE ACTUALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS CONCEPT LAST YEAR, AND THEN OF COURSE WE'RE ABLE TO SEE IT THROUGH, UM, I WILL SAY THAT AS OF EARLIER TODAY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S STILL IN NEGOTIATION. SO WE'D WENT OUT TO BID THIS YEAR OR OUR CARNIVAL, UM, SUPPLIER, UH, TALLY WHO HAD SUPPLIED OUR CARNIVAL SERVICES IN THE PAST IS NO LONGER INTERESTED. SO WE WENT OUT AND PUT OUT AN RFP TO SECURE A PORTABLE VENDOR. WE ONLY HAD ONE BID ON TASTE AND THAT VENDOR IS NOT SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FULFILL IT. SO WE ARE STILL WORKING OUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND THAT JUST HAPPENED EARLIER TODAY. SO WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS AN ADRENALINE ZONE, BUT WE HAVE TO FIND THE VENDOR WHO CAN SUPPLY FOR US. UM, AND THEN, UH, AS WE SAID EARLIER, ALL OF OUR MUSIC ACTS FROM LAST YEAR HAVE AGREED TO CARRY BOARD THEIR CONTRACT TO THIS YEAR AND APPLY THE DEPOSITS THAT WERE ALREADY PAID. SO WE ONLY OWED THE BALANCE DUE FOR ALL OF THOSE ACTS. THAT DOES INCLUDE ALL FIVE OF THE NATIONAL ACTS THAT WE HAD SECURED LAST YEAR, JUST, JUST AS, UH, THAT IS ACTUALLY NEW MEANING, UH, JASMINE AND HER EXCELLENT WORD WITH OUR, UH, OUR BOOKING AGENT, UH, WAS ABLE, WE, WE, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO LOSE SOME OF THEM, UH, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THEM ALL TO COME BACK. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT WORD BY IT. BEEN, UM, AS I INDICATED EARLIER, WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE RESTAURANTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SENTENCE. UM, THE 50% THAT WE'VE ALREADY PAID TOTAL FOR THE TOTAL COST, THE TOTAL COST FOR THE BANDS WAS, UH, AROUND JUST UNDER $400,000. [05:00:06] YES, BECAUSE NOW WE ONLY GO HALF OF THAT FOR THIS YEAR. SO, UM, SO IT'S NICE NOT TO HAVE THAT PART OF THE BOOKS. UM, SO WE SENT THE INVITATION OUT TO THE RESTAURANTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MONTH, AS I INDICATED, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN STRONG FEEDBACK YET. HOWEVER, WE WILL BE HAVING THE RESTAURANT MEETING LATER THIS WEEK, THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS FOR THE RESTAURANTS. ONE IS A TWO DAY BOOTH, WHICH IS THE STANDARD BOOTH OUT IN THE PARK WHERE THEY'RE SELLING FOOD. AND, UM, THIS WOULD FOLLOW WHAT WE CAME UP WITH LAST YEAR WHERE WE ACTUALLY WOULD NOT TAKE A COMMISSION ON THE RESTAURANT SALES. IT WILL BE A FLAT FEE UP FRONT, AND THEY KEEP 100% OF WHAT THEY MAKE DURING THE EVENT AND WOULD CONTINUE THE USE OF THE POINT OF SALE SYSTEM THAT WE PUT INTO PLACE TWO YEARS AGO. THERE WAS ACTUALLY A NEW FEATURE IN THAT POINT OF SALE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE EXCITED TO PUT INTO EFFECT AT ALL THREE MAJOR FESTIVALS THIS YEAR, WHICH IS A MOBILE ORDERING FEATURE. YOU MAY HAVE BEEN TO THEME PARKS THAT HAVE DONE THIS, WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO AND USE YOUR PHONE TO PUT AN ORDER IN PAY FOR YOUR ORDER AND BE NOTIFIED WHEN IT'S READY. SO IT CUTS DOWN ON PEOPLE WAITING IN LINE, AND IT CUTS DOWN ON THAT NEED FOR CROWDING. AND IT MAINTAINS THE DISTANCING AND THAT'S ACTUALLY OFFERED THROUGH THE SAME VENDOR, THE SAME SOFTWARE THAT WE'RE ALREADY USING SQUARE. SO THERE IS NOT AN ADDITIONAL FEE TO ADD THIS FEATURE IN FOR OUR EVENTS. WELL, THAT'S ASSUMING THAT YOU NEED TO GET A RESTAURANT THAT CAN TAKE IT TO MAKE THAT TECHNOLOGICAL LEAP. SO ALL OF THEIR, ALL OF THE RESTAURANTS ALREADY IN 2019 USE SQUARE AT THE EVENT, WE ACTUALLY PUT THAT INTO EFFECT IN 2019 TO MAKE, UH, TO COLLECT MONEY, TO MAKE AN ORDER AHEAD OF TIME. UH, NO, THE NEW FEATURE ALLOWS PEOPLE INSTEAD OF STANDING THERE TO PUT IN THEIR ORDER, THEY CAN PUT IT IN THROUGH SQUARE, UM, OR THE RESTAURANTS EXECUTION. IT DOESN'T CHANGE ON THEIR END, THE PREPARING OF THE ORDER. IT'S JUST, THEY DON'T HAVE TO RECEIVE THE ORDER FROM A PERSON STANDING THERE. THEY CAN NOW RECEIVE IT THROUGH THAT. WE'RE ACTUALLY DEVELOPING AN ENTIRE GUIDE BOOK THAT WALKS STEP-BY-STEP ALL OF OUR RESTAURANTS AND VENDORS THAT PARTICIPATE THROUGH HOW TO SET THIS UP AND HOW IT WILL WORK. SO WE'RE CREATING AN ACTUAL GUIDE SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR VENDORS. NOW WE DON'T EXPECT ANYBODY TO JUST KNOW HOW TO USE IT. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME UM, SO THE NEW FEATURE, THE NEW THING THAT WE'VE ADDED IN THIS YEAR, UM, IT'S TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM RESTAURANTS IN THE PAST, WHICH IS JUST THE HEAVY STAFFING REQUIREMENT TO PARTICIPATE IN TASTE. UM, IT TAKES A LOT OF INVESTMENT, A LOT OF TIME, AND ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE SITUATION, A LOT OF RESTAURANTS ARE IN. WE RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE FOR RESTAURANTS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THE MARKETING AND MEDIA BENEFITS OF BEING A PART OF TASTE, BUT WHO PERHAPS DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO GO. AND AMANDA BOOTH FOR MULTIPLE DAYS, AND TO MAINTAIN ALL OF THAT, THE TASTING ROOM WAS AN ALTERNATE OPTION. THERE IS NO FEE TO PARTICIPATE. HOWEVER, ON THE FLIP SIDE, THERE IS NO SALES REVENUE. SO THIS IS FOR THOSE WHO RECOGNIZE IT AS A MARKETING OPPORTUNITY TO BE AT THE EVENT AND PARTICIPATE. AGAIN ALSO MENTIONED IN ALL OF OUR MEDIA INTERVIEWS AND WHATNOT, BUT IT'S NOT A SALES OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS. UM, THE ONLY EXPENSE TO THE RESTAURANT IS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE TASTING ROOM IS TO PROVIDE 500 BITE SAMPLES. WHAT SAMPLES THAT ITEM IS, IS DEPENDENT ON THE RESTAURANT. THEY DETERMINED. WE DON'T TELL THEM WHAT TO MAKE, BUT TO PROVIDE 500 BITE-SIZED SAMPLES AND ONE TO TWO STAFF PEOPLE FOR APPROXIMATELY THREE HOURS TO SERVE THEM. AND SO THE NEED FOR STAFFING A SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT, BUT AGAIN, IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO GENERATE REVENUE, THIS IS NOT GOING TO DO IT. SO IF IT'S A NEED FOR SOME OF OUR RESTAURANTS, NOT A NEED FOR ALL OF OUR RESTAURANTS. AND SO THIS IS A NEW OPPORTUNITY WE'RE PUTTING OUT THERE. THIS IS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY THAT CURRENTLY HAS AN APPLICANT AT THE MOMENT. AND SO THIS IS JUST SOMETHING ELSE WE'RE GOING TO FURTHER EXPLAIN TO RESTAURANTS BACK IN JUNE. SO DO YOU THINK PART OF THE REASON WHY THERE'S NOT BEEN AS MANY APPLICANTS? WELL, FOR OBVIOUS REASONS FOR THE STATE OF THE WORLD GROUND, BUT DO YOU THINK THAT PART OF IT IS THEY DON'T REALLY GET THE WHOLE PICTURE YET OR SOMETHING? I MEAN, THEY HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN THE WHOLE SALES PITCH TASTING ROOM, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A NEW CONCEPT. AND SO FOR THAT, I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY A PART OF IT. BUT AS FAR AS THEIR TWO DAY BOOTH, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE WERE OFFERING LAST YEAR. IT'S TWO DAYS INSTEAD OF THREE. BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, IT'S THE SAME DEAL AS LAST YEAR. AND SO I THINK THAT'S JUST REALLY DEALING WITH UNCERTAINTY, YOU KNOW, TRIED TO MAINTAIN DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS. AND DO I WANT TO COMMIT TO SOMETHING THAT'S SEVERAL MONTHS AWAY AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'LL BE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN NECESSARILY ANSWER FOR THEM OTHER THAN TO ASSURE THEM THAT IF FOR SOME REASON THE EVENT WERE CANCELED, THEY WOULD GET A HUNDRED PERCENT REFUND OF THAT FLAT FEE. SO THERE'S NO LOSS ON THE INVESTMENT AT THE EVENT DID NOT MOVE FORWARD FOR SOME REASON. SO CAPACITY AT THE TASTY, WHO'S GOING TO BE CONTROLLED [05:05:01] BY THE COST. IT'S GOING TO BE CONTROLLED BY WE'LL ONLY SELL 500 TICKETS PER TIMEFRAME THAT WE DO IT. WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING THREE DIFFERENT TIMEFRAMES AND WE'LL ONLY SELL 500 TICKETS PER TIMEFRAME. SO THAT WILL LIMIT HOW MANY PEOPLE GO THROUGH THE SPACE. IT'S ALSO A ONE IN ONE OUT SO WE CAN CONTROL THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC. UM, OKAY. SO ADDISON KABOOM TITLE WILL BE JULY 3RD IS ALWAYS, UM, THE BIGGEST CHANGE THAT YOU'LL SEE ON ADDISON FOR BOONTOWN, ASIDE FROM THE LIMITED CAPACITY IS A HUGE CHALLENGE, UM, IS THAT WE, WE DO NOT PLAN TO PROCEED WITH THE AFTER-PARTY THIS YEAR. UM, I'M GOING TO JUMP FORWARD TO SHOW YOU A PICTURE REAL QUICK AND THEN JUMP BACK JUST BECAUSE THIS IS THE AFTER PARTY THAT IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW. UM, AND SO IN ORDER TO FACILITATE YOUR DISTANCING, REALLY WHAT THE AFTER PARTY DOES IS TELL THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE PARK YET, ALL GATHER AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN, CLOSE TO THE STAGE FOR A GIANT PARTY. AND THAT'S JUST NOT IN LINE WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH COVID. UH, WE WOULD MAINTAIN MUSIC, JUST PLAYING ATMOSPHERES MUSIC IN THE PARK AFTER THE FIREWORKS WERE OVER. SO THOSE WHO WANTED TO WAIT AT TRAFFIC COULD DO SO IT'S STILL IN THE MUSIC, BUT WE WOULDN'T BE ENCOURAGING THEM TO THE STAGE WHERE THE AFTER PARTY, UM, THE ADMISSION WILL CONTINUE TO BE FREE. HOWEVER, WHAT THE REDUCED CAPACITY WE'RE LOOKING AT, ALL THE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE BUNCH UP, SO ADMISSION, THE ENTRY AREA, WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE GATHERING TOGETHER TIGHTLY, AND WE'RE CLOSING THE GATES IN THEIR FACES AT A CERTAIN POINT, CAUSE WE'VE HIT CAPACITY. WE'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE THAT. SO WE'RE CURRENTLY EXPLORING A WAY TO OFFER COMPLIMENTARY ADVANCED TICKETS WHERE PEOPLE WOULD GO ONTO OUR TICKETING PLATFORM, MUCH LIKE HOLIDAY IN THE PARK. THEY WOULD GET A TICKET, BUT THE TICKET DOES NOT COST ANYTHING. IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO KNOW IN ADVANCE IF THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEM TO THE PARK OR NOT. SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE CROWDS OF PEOPLE HOPING TO GET IN STANDING THERE AND CROWDING. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET IN LINE THREE HOURS BEFORE THE GATES OPEN BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE IT. AND YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE GETTING IT. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CHALLENGES WITH FREE TICKET EVENTS. YOU HAVE NO SHOWS, HOW DO YOU EXECUTE IT? WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT THOSE DETAILS, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY WAYS TO MAINTAIN THE SAFETY FOR OUR ATTENDEES. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL WITH. UM, OUR VIP AREAS WOULD HAVE A REDUCED CAPACITY IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE EVENT. WE WOULD STILL OFFER THE SAME SIZE VIP AREA, BUT TO FACILITATE THE SOCIAL DISTANCE, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO REDUCE THE CAPACITY. AND WE WOULD REPLACE THE BUFFET MEAL WITH A BOX MEAL. IT WOULD STILL BE A HOT MEAL, BUT IT WOULD BE SERVED IN A BOX STYLE VERSUS OPEN BUFFET. OUR MAIN STAGE MUSIC ACTS FROM 2020 ARE CARRYING FORWARD AND APPLYING THE PAID DEPOSITS FROM LAST YEAR. JUST LIKE WHAT TASTES THAT ISN'T. WELL ALSO ONE OF THE ACTS THAT WE HAD SECURED FROM LAST YEAR THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ONSTAGE FOR THE LONGER EVENT. UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY MOVING THAT TO THE ENTRY GATE. SO WE'LL HAVE A LIVE JAZZ BAND PLAYING DIXIELAND, JAZZ MUSIC AS PEOPLE ENTER THE ROOM. SO IT'LL JUST BE A NICE EXTRA FEATURE. UM, AS EARLIER WE WENT OUT TO BID FOR CARNIVAL SERVICES. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY BINS FOR THE CARNIVAL AT KABOOM TOWN. UH, WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT THE VENDORS PRIMARILY SAID THAT THE REASON THEY DIDN'T BAIT OFF THE BOOMTOWN WAS BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAD OTHER ENGAGEMENTS AND CONFLICTS WITH THAT WEEKEND. IT WAS A HOLIDAY WEEKEND. MOST OF THE CARNIVAL VENDORS DO CARNIVALS ALL OVER THE STATE AND NONE OF THEM I'M BID ON THE BHUTTO. UM, THIS ONE YEAR, UH, THAT MAY NOT BE THE WORST THING BECAUSE IN ORDER TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE INTO THE, AS POSSIBLE, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY ALLOW US TO UTILIZE THE CARNIVAL FIELD TO DISTANCE AND GET MORE PEOPLE IN. THAT'S ACTUALLY THE BEST OF YOU EXCITED FOR THE FIREWORKS ANYWAYS, BECAUSE THERE ARE TREES IN THE CORNER OF THE FIELD. UM, AND SO, SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THERE BEING A CARNIVAL AT THAT EVENT THIS YEAR, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE UNABLE TO SECURE A VENDOR. UM, ALSO THE AIRPORT STAFF ARE EXPLORING SOME ALTERNATE WAYS TO EXECUTE THE AERIAL PORTION OF THE EVENT, STILL WORKING WITH CAVENAUGH AND HAVING THE HISTORIC WORK OR BIRDS IN THE SKY. BUT INSTEAD OF AN AIR SHOW CENTERED DIRECTLY OVER THE PARK, WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO INCORPORATE ALL OF THE TOWN TO REALLY ENCOURAGE THIS AS MORE OF A TOWN-WIDE CELEBRATION. SO IT WILL BE VISIBLE FROM BELTLINE, FROM ALL ASPECTS OF ADDISON'S. SO THEY'RE STILL WORKING OUT DETAILS ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT WE ARE EXPLORING ALTERNATIVES SO THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO TO THE RESTAURANT, WATCH PARTIES, THE HOTELS, AND WHATNOT, AND STILL GET THE FULL EXPERIENCE. ARE YOU STILL GONNA DO THE PARACHUTERS UNDER WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW? IT WOULD NOT INCLUDE THE PARACHUTERS. UM, EVERYTHING WOULD BE DESIGNED MORE FLY OVER STYLE. AND SO YOU WOULD SEE FLYOVER OVER SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE IN THE SUMMER. UM, BUT IT WOULD GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE ADDISON, MORE ON A LARGE CIRCULAR ROUTE AND WOULD HAPPEN AT DIFFERENT POINTS IN TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. AND ADDISON OKTOBERFEST WILL TAKE PLACE SEPTEMBER 16TH THROUGH THE 19TH. [05:10:01] THAT IS STILL A FOUR DAY FESTIVAL, WHETHER WE WOULD EXPLORE DOING THE TIME SPLIT ON SATURDAY OF OCTOBER FAST, DEPENDS ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH COVID AND CAPACITY RESTRICTIONS AND HOW IT, IF WE DID IT AT TASTE, HOW IT WENT, UM, WE DON'T KNOW IT'S NOT NECESSARY AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO MAKE, TO MAKE ANY KIND OF DETERMINATIONS ON THAT. TICKETING IS THE SAME AS IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST FREE ON THURSDAY AND SUNDAY, SAME TICKET PRICES AS IT HAS BEEN FOR FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. AND OUR SPECIAL PACKAGES ARE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. WE DID REMOVE ONE OF THE PACKAGES, BUT WE HAVEN'T ADDED ANYTHING NEW. SO THIS IS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. AND SO OUR FEATURED AREAS ARE MOSTLY THOSE THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH. HOWEVER, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF NEW AREAS. UH, THE CLIENT HALL IS A NEW SPACE. WE'D ACTUALLY BE USING THE INSIDE OF THE CONFERENCE CENTER TO CREATE A SORT OF SMALLER VERSION OF THE BIG PARTY HALL. AND SO THIS IS A MORE INTIMATE EXPERIENCE. WE'D BE SERVING SPECIALTY BEER, SPECIALTY WINE. WE WOULD HAVE MUSICIANS IN THERE, BUT MORE SINGER SONGWRITERS TO WHERE YOU COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION. IT'S NOT THE PLACE TO GO IN AND DANCE AND SPELL YOUR BEER ON SOMEBODY. IT'S THE PLACE TO GO SIT AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOUR FRIENDS. SO IT GIVES ALTERNATE EXPERIENCES WHILE YOU'RE AT THE FESTIVAL. AND THEN WE'RE ADDING A KINDER ZELLE, WHICH ACTUALLY MEANS KIDS DID AND GERMAN. AND SO THAT'S JUST A AREA FOR FAMILY FRIENDLY ACTIVITIES IN LINE WITH WHAT WE DO WITH TASTE STATUS AND AS LUCK FOR 2020, WE HAD GOTTEN AS FAR ALONG ON PLANNING. SO WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY BANDS TO CARRY FORWARD FROM 20, BUT THOSE WE DID HAVE BOOKED, WE HAVE CARRIED FORWARD AND APPLY THOSE DEPOSITS. UM, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE MUSIC ON MULTIPLE STAGES. OH, SO, UM, I ADDED THIS PICTURE OF THE PARTY HALL BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT ALSO IS NOT IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. WE WILL HAVE THE PARTY HALL. UM, WE WORKED OUT AN ALTERNATE LAYOUT PER BUILDING INDOOR SPACES. ISN'T REALLY IDEAL WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO AIR THINGS OUT. SO WE WILL NOT HAVE A WALL ON THE PARTY HALL 10TH THIS YEAR. IT WILL BE OPEN AIR TO ALLOW FOR FLOW OF AIR THERE. AND WITH THAT, WE'RE ALSO REDESIGNING THE LAYOUT INSIDE. SO THE FOOD THAT HAS BEEN SERVED INSIDE WILL ACTUALLY BE RIGHT NEXT TO THE PARTY HALL SO THAT WE CAN SPACE UP THE PARTY, HELD TABLES INTO THE AREA WHERE THE FOOD SERVICE WAS AT BECAUSE WITHOUT WALLS, YOU CAN NOW MOVE OUT INTO THAT OPEN SPACE. UM, AND THAT ALLOWS US TO ACTUALLY SEE ALMOST AS MANY PEOPLE IN THE PARTY HALL, SOCIALLY DISTANCED, AS WE NORMALLY WOULD SEE OUT OF THAT, IT'S AN OCTOBER FEST. SO IT MAINTAINS OUR CAPACITY LEVELS THERE. AND SO YOU'LL SEE A DIFFERENT LAYOUT, BUT WE WILL STILL HAVE THE PARTY VIBE. IS ALL OTHERS GOING TO BE A SPONSOR? YES. SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THEM, WE'VE NEGOTIATED THEIR AGREEMENT, THEIR SPONSORSHIP EXPIRED LAST YEAR. AND SO THEY HAVE AGREED TO COME BACK AND WE'RE CURRENTLY JUST FINALIZING THE CONTRACT DETAILS WITH THEM, BUT THEY WILL BE BACK AS A SPONSOR FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. THAT'S PERFECT. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS, IS VERY CREDIBLY DIFFICULT SCENARIOS AND CHANGING ALL THAT. UM, AND SO ONE OF THE THOUGHTS I HAD WAS WHEN WE DID THE BOOMTOWN LAST YEAR CAPTURE VIDEO. AND SO MY THOUGHT IS ADDISON. I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH IT, BUT DO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CATCH CAPTURE VIDEO OF THE BANDS PERFORMING THAT IS NOT A PART OF OUR NATIONAL ACT CONTRACT? SO WE COULD CERTAINLY GET THAT DONE WITH OUR LOCAL BANDS, BUT THAT IS ABSENT ACTUALLY EXCLUDED SPECIFICALLY FROM OUR CONTRACTS, WITH ALL OF THE NATIONAL ACTS. THEY WANT A LOT MORE MONEY FOR THE RIGHTS. WELL, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH ALTERNATE PLANNING FOR THE UNKNOWN. I MEAN, IT'S SO COMPLETELY UNKNOWN. I THINK YOU'RE WISE TO PREPARE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE ABILITY TO GO FORWARD IN A MODIFIED WAY. AND IF WE HAVE TO CANCEL, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO CANCEL. I HOPE, I HOPE WE DON'T HAVE TO. I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY NEAT IF WE COULD CARRY ON AT THESE PARTIES. EVEN, EVEN IF, YOU KNOW, THE TASTE TIMES EXAMPLE IS MORE OF A CONCERT AND WITH MAYBE, YOU KNOW, A HANDFUL OF RESTAURANTS, I MEAN, IT'S STILL, IT'S A BIG PARTY. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. WELL, I'M JUST HOPING, JUST HOPING, YOU KNOW, THE SITUATION IS GETTING BETTER. SO RESTAURANTS HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE, YOU KNOW, SINCE YOU KNOW WHY EMPLOYEES HAS, COVID-19 THE WHOLE RESTAURANT WHEN THEY'RE CLOSED FOR TWO WEEKS. RIGHT? SO JUST MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, A JAPANESE RESTAURANT CLOSED DOWN TWICE BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHY THE OWNER'S [05:15:01] SON WALKED THERE JUST FOR ONE NIGHT HE BROUGHT THE COVID-19 SO THEY HAVE TO CLOSE, RIGHT. FEW MONTHS LATER, THE OWNERS THEMSELVES BACK IN THAT CLOSE. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO GET THE PUBLIC CONFIDENCE, YOU KNOW, ALSO THE POP, THE SAFETY, AND THEN TOOK THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION. OTHERWISE EVERYBODY HAS IT. EVERYBODY HAS IT. IT'S NOT JUST MONEY NOW. IT'S NOT, WHETHER WE'RE GETTING ENOUGH. CUSTOMERS HAVE ENOUGH FANS, THEY GET MORE SALES HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT ANYMORE, YOU KNOW, AND WITH, WITH TASTE STATUS AND OUR, UH, OUR DEADLINE FOR THE RESTAURANTS IS NOT UNTIL THE END OF FEBRUARY. SO HOPEFULLY AS VACCINE ROLLOUTS ARE GROWING, WE GET MORE INSIGHT. THERE'S MORE TIME FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE A BETTER FEELING OF WHERE THEY'RE AT AND WHERE THEY THINK THERE'LL BE BY THAT POINT IN TIME. UM, WE'LL BE CONTINUING A DIALOGUE WITH THE RESTAURANTS REACHING OUT AND HAVING INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS AS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST TO TALK AND SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO TRY TO GAUGE THEIR COMFORT. UM, IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET SOME RESTAURANTS, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO FULFILL THE NUMBER NEEDED IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE CROWD THAT WOULD PUMP, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO FILL IN WITH CONCESSIONAIRES WHERE NEEDED IN ORDER TO GET FOOD SERVICE THERE. UM, HOWEVER, OUR PRIORITY IS ABSOLUTELY TO GET THE ADDISON RESTAURANTS OUT AT THE EVENT IN WHATEVER CAPACITY THEY'RE COMFORTABLE DOING. AT 2:00 PM ON ZOOM. I THINK ALL THE PIZZA SHOPS ARE PROBABLY DOING SOMETHING ELSE I WANT TO, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE TEAM AND JUST REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO PREPARE OF. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE AFRAID TO MAKE DIFFICULT DECISIONS. AND IF YOU CAN'T DO IT SAFELY AND APPROPRIATELY, I WANT US TO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR JASMINE OR WES? ALRIGHT. IT'S A LITTLE LONG TODAY AND AT MEETINGS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.