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[ EXECUTIVE SESSION Closed (Executive) Session of the Addison City Council pursuant to: Section 551.071, Tex. Gov. Code, to conduct a private consultation with its attorney pertaining to: Bigelow Arizona TX-344, Limited Partnership D/B/A Suites of America and/or Budget Suites of America v. Town of Addison, Cause No. DC-19-09630, 191st Judicial District, Dallas County District Court. Section 551.074, Tex. Gov. Code, to deliberate the appointment, employment, evaluation, reassignment, duties, discipline or dismissal of a public officer or employee, pertaining to: City Manager's Annual Evaluation]
TWO ITEMS ON THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT I'M GOING TO READ IT.HOWEVER, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FIVE SUITES FIRST.
THEN WE'LL LEAVE THAT EVALUATION OF THE CITY MANAGER TO THE CANDLE.
ALRIGHT, SO CLOSE EXECUTIVE SESSION OF THE ASSETS, CITY COUNCIL PURSUANT TO SESSION FIVE FIVE ONE ZERO SEVEN ONE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO CONDUCT THE PRIVATE CONSULTATION WITH ITS ATTORNEY FOR TENDING TO BIGELOW, ARIZONA TENSORS THREE, FOUR, FOUR LIMITED PARTNERSHIP, DBA SUITES OF A BREAKUP AND ALL BUDGET SUITES OF AMERICA.
LET'S US THE TOWN OF ADDISON CAUSE NUMBER DC, 19 ZERO NINE SIX THREE ONE 91ST JUDICIAL DISTRICT, DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT COURT SECTION 5,001 ZERO SEVEN FOUR TESSA GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT, EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT DUTIES, DISCIPLINE, OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE PRETENDING TO STAY THE MANAGERS AND EVALUATION.
SO NOW THAT'S A STRAIGHT FIVE 37.
[1. Present and Discuss Draft Amendments to the Community Partners Bureau Policies.]
[ Reconvene in to Regular Session: In accordance with Texas Government Code, Chapter 551, the City Council will reconvene into Regular Session to consider action, if any, on matters discussed in Executive Session.]
AND YOU ASKED AFTER IT SOME CHANGES TO THE NON-PROFITS, UH, APPLICATION PROCESS AND THE WAY WE HANDLED THAT IN THE, UH, DURING THE BUDGET TIME, WE ALSO HAD SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM YOU REGARDING THE POLICIES, HOW PEOPLE APPLY TO THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS, BUREAU MEMBERS, AND CHANGES TO THE COUNCIL LIAISON ROLE.SO THAT'S THE PORTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
AND, UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE ON A, ON A SCREEN WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT, BUT I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL OF OVERVIEW THAT THERE'S FOUR AREAS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, IN THE FIRST SECTION IS JUST SOME GRAMMATICAL CHANGES.
IT WAS WRITTEN IN LIKE A DEFINITION.
WE JUST CHANGED IT TO A SENTENCE FORMAT IN THE COMMUNITY LIAISON SECTION.
YOU ASKED US TO TAKE THAT, THAT OUT AND REWORD THAT THEN WE NEEDED TO CLARIFY SOME APPOINTMENT LENGTHS AND THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS.
AND THEN, UH, JUST AS A FOLLOW-UP TO THE SECOND BULLET, THERE'S A FOURTH ITEM THAT WE JUST TO CLEAN UP, UH, REGARDING REFERENCE TO COMMUNITY LIAISON.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST, UH, PORTION THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE AMENDED IN THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS, UH, BUREAU POLICY.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST CHANGING IT FROM A DEFINITION TYPE FORMAT TO A SENTENCE FORMAT.
SO WE JUST ASK THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND CHANGE SOME PUNCTUATION THERE AND REMOVE THAT WORD SPECIFICALLY, WHICH SEEMED REDUNDANT IN THAT, IN THAT SENTENCE.
ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ON THOSE PROPOSED IN THE SECOND SESSION, AS YOU YOU'LL RECALL PREVIOUSLY, WE HAD A SUBGROUP OF THE COUNCIL CALLED COUNCIL LIAISONS AND THE COMMUNITY BUREAU, THE BUREAU MEMBERS, OR WORKED WITH THEM.
AND THEN THEY IN TURN WORK WITH THE COUNCIL AND DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL GAVE US WAS TO REMOVE THAT LAYER, UH, BUT STILL ALLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SERVE AS LIAISONS TO VARIOUS NONPROFITS.
SO, UH, WE'RE JUST STRIKING THAT REFERENCE TO THAT ADDITIONAL LAYER IN THE, IN THE POLICY YOU BILL, I'VE GOT A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU ON THE TOP PART WHERE WE'RE NOT STRIKING.
UM, DO WE KNOW IF WE VIEW THAT AS IS ONE, ONE PERSON OR MULTIPLE PEOPLE, OR IS IT TOO EARLY TO TELL? SO WE WE'VE HAD ASHLEY BOAT RIGHT IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT WHO HAS SERVED IN THAT ROLE AND WORKED TO, TO GENERATE THE, THE AGREEMENTS, UH, AND, AND SERVE AS A COUNCIL ROLE, UH, WITH THE TOWN TO CERTAINLY IF THE, IF THE CITY MANAGER WISHES TO CHANGE THAT, AND HE'S GOT THAT, CAN WE HAVE THE, AND I MAY BE ASKING THIS QUESTION THE WRONG WAY, BUT I KNOW THE POINT, UM, WHEN I THINK IT WAS LAURIE, LAURIE AND I WERE SERVING AS THE LIAISON TO THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS, BUREAU, UM, STAFF FLOATED THE IDEA OF, UH, ASHLEY
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DOING WHAT SHE'S DOING, BUT ALSO, UM, DIRECT COUNT EMPLOYEES KIND OF OVERLOOKING CIRCLE NONPROFITS.AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THAT'S WHAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE INVOLVED WITH THAT OR ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S KINDA WHAT I WAS THINKING THROUGH, IN REFERENCE TO THIS, IT MAY BE RESPONSIVE TO YOUR QUESTION IS THAT, UH, THE, THE NON-PROFITS THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS PROVIDE QUARTERLY REPORTS.
AND PART OF THAT DISCUSSION FROM LAST YEAR WAS FOR STAFF TO MAKE THOSE MORE READILY AVAILABLE AND VISIBLE THE COUNSELORS TO SEE, TO MAKE SURE AS THE YEARS PROGRESSING THAT THE COUNCIL WAS AWARE AND INFORMED OF THE QUARTERLY REPORTS PROVIDED AS OPPOSED TO WHAT HAD BEEN DONE WAS THOSE WERE, THOSE WERE SAVED TO BASICALLY THE APPLICATION PERIOD OF TIME.
UH, AND THEN THERE WAS A REPORT WAS GIVEN HOW THEY HAD FOR THE YEAR TO DATE QUICK.
IF I MAY IS THE QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT ONE, I COULD APPOINT ONLY ONE OR MULTIPLE, NO, WE WERE, AT SOME POINT WE WERE, WE WERE LOOKING AT HIS OR HER STAFF WAS SUGGESTING, AND THIS IS JUST A LORI AND I, THAT, THAT POINT IN TIME.
BUT, UM, THAT, THAT THERE WOULD BE, UH, UH, SOMEONE, UH, PARTICULAR STAFF, EMPLOYEES, UM, THAT WERE ASSIGNED TO REVIEW CERTAIN NON, UM, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION REPORTING.
AND, AND THOSE, THOSE PARTICULAR EMPLOYEES, UM, WE'D KIND OF BE VETTING THE, THE REPORTS AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH A VETTING PROCESS.
AND THEN IT WOULD COME TO COUNCIL VENTED BY, UH, BY, UH, A PERSON THAT WAS VERY IN TUNE WITH, WITH ENTERTAINMENT OR WHATEVER THE NONPROFIT CURRENTLY WE'VE GOT IT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT SECTION? THIS IS THE SECTION WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF RED INK, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT SUPER SIGNIFICANT ON THE CHANGES.
SO ON THE FIRST LINE, WE'RE JUST REMOVING THAT REFERENCING INTO THE COUNCIL LIAISONS OR THESE, UH, BUREAU MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE THEN ON THE, UH, THREE-YEAR TERM, UH, TWEAK THAT A LITTLE BIT TO SAY, IT'S INTENDED TO BEGIN ON JANUARY 1ST AND END ON DECEMBER 31ST.
AND AS YOU KNOW, AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE, WE BROUGHT SOME APPOINTMENTS, UH, FORWARD BACK IN DECEMBER, BUT BECAUSE OF, UM, JUST KIND OF A LACK OF INTEREST, MAYBE BECAUSE OF COVID, UH, IT WAS THE CIRCUIT DETERMINED THAT WE WERE GOING TO EXTEND THAT APPLICATION PERIOD FOR A YEAR OR FOR A MONTH INTO THIS YEAR.
UH, SO TECHNICALLY IF YOU READ THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN, THEY DON'T BEGIN THEIR APPOINTMENT UNTIL THE JANUARY FOLLOWING THE YEAR IN WHICH THEY WERE APPOINTED.
SO BY WAITING TO JANUARY, WE'D BE WAITING 11 MONTHS, UH, TO, TO APPOINT THEM.
SO WE FELT LIKE THIS STILL FOLLOWED THE INTENT OF A THREE-YEAR TERM.
IT BEGINS ON JANUARY, BUT IN CASE THERE'S AN, AN INSTANCE WHERE WE DELAYED FOR A MONTH BECAUSE OF COVID OR THERE'S SOME PORTION OF A YEAR, SOMEBODY MOVED SOMEBODY'S HEALTH.
IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE, YOU WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO FILL UP A FRACTION OF YOURS.
SO IT'S A LITTLE LESS RESTRICTIVE, BUT STILL HELPS TO THE THREE YEAR STILL HOLDS TO THE JANUARY ONE TO DECEMBER 31ST TIME PERIOD.
BUT THAT GIVES YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY IF NEEDED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT, UH, UH, AND THOSE CHANGES ARE ABOUT.
UH, THEN THERE'S ALSO A REFERENCE THERE THAT, UH, THERE WAS A RESTRICTION IN PLACE WHERE A MEMBER COULD A BUREAU MEMBER COULD ONLY SERVE ONE TERM WITH THE SAME NONPROFIT.
THEY COULD MOVE TO DIFFERENT NON-PROFITS.
AND, AND MY RECOLLECTION AND WATCHING THE VIDEO OF, UH, OF THE, THE SESSION THAT WE HAD WAS THERE WAS, UH, POSSIBLY AN INTEREST TO REAPPOINT SOMEBODY WHO WAS DOING AN EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD JOB WITH ONE OF THE NON-PROFITS.
SO, AGAIN, UNDER THIS, UH, THIS RESTRICTIVE LANGUAGE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT ABILITY.
NOW YOU'RE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO REAPPOINT ANYBODY UNDER, UNDER THIS LANGUAGE, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE THAT DISCRETION TO DO SO IF YOU SO CHOOSE, OR IF THERE WASN'T SOMEBODY INTERESTED IN SOMEBODY WHO'S WILLING TO SERVE LONGER, IT JUST AFFORDED YOU THAT FLEXIBILITY THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, THAT WAS PLACED THERE AT SOME POINT FOR A SPECIFIC REASON.
UM, WE JUST WANTED TO PROPOSE THAT TO THE BOARD, WHAT, WHAT WAS DISCUSSED LAST YEAR AS AN OPTION, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THOSE, AND THEN THAT JUST STRIKES ONE WORD IN REFERENCE TO THE COUNCIL LIAISON
WE'LL, WE'LL BRING THIS BACK AS A POLICY AMENDMENT, UH, AT OUR NEXT MEETING, BECAUSE ALSO AT THAT MEETING, WE HAVE OUR COMMUNITY PARTNER BUREAU APPLICATION PERIOD IS OPEN THROUGH THE 18TH.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE SIX OR SEVEN AFRICANS AT THIS TIME WITH
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FOUR OPENINGS.SO YOU'LL HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE PER, UH, PER OPENING TO CONSIDER, UH, AND TO SELECT, UH, WE WOULD ADOPT, UH, ANY CHANGES TO THIS, THIS POLICY LATER IN THAT SAME MEETING, YOU COULD THEN APPOINT PEOPLE AS YOU SEE FIT AND ACCORDANCE WITH THE REVISED.
I JUST, I THINK ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER.
I'M JUST TRYING TO CONFIRM THIS, UM, IN OUR NEWSLETTER COMMUNICATION, UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'VE PUT THAT IN THE NEWSLETTER AND WE'VE ALSO PUT THE VARIOUS NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS SO THAT WHOEVER MIGHT BE INTERESTED, COULD DRILL DOWN AND LOOK, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT.
I'VE HEARD THAT WE'VE DONE AND THE FORUM WAS MODIFIED AS WELL.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE RESPONDED IF DESIGNATED ONE OR MORE OF, OF WHICH THEY WERE INTERESTED IN SERVING.
SO THAT'LL, THAT'LL HELP YOU ALL TO DO MORE SPECIFIC THIS REFLECTS, BUT I'M EXPECTING, OKAY.
[2. Present and Discuss Options for Updating Addison Airport's Noise Studies and Noise Exposure Maps. ]
NUMBER TWO.PRESENT DISCUSS OPTIONS FOR GETTING AS NOISE STUDIES AND EXPLOSIVE MAPS.
GOOD EVENING, AARON COUNCIL DIRECTOR, AND, UH, I HAVE A PRESENTATION AND I WILL SHARE MY SCREEN.
AND I WANT TO FIRST TALK ABOUT, IS PART ONE 50 AND THE FEDERAL AVIATION REGULATIONS.
THEY CAN TITLE 14, COMMONLY KNOWN AS FEDERAL AVIATION REGULATION, PART ONE 50, AND IT PRESCRIBES PROCEDURES, STANDARDS, AND METHODOLOGY GOVERNING DEVELOPMENT AND REVIEW OF AIRPORT NOISE, EXPOSURE, MAPS, AND NOISE COMPATIBILITY PROGRAMS, AND THE PROCESS BY WHICH THOSE ARE EVALUATED AND EITHER APPROVED OR DISAPPROVED BY FAA PROGRAM WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1981.
AND IT IS A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM.
THERE WERE PUBLIC USE AIRPORTS AND MAY PROVIDE WAYS TO PRODUCE LARGE IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES OF THOSE AIRPORTS.
THE ONES APART, ONE 50 STUDY, IT SAYS UNDERTAKEN TO DETERMINE THE LEVELS OF NOISE EXPOSURE ON THE PROPERTIES AROUND AN AIRPORT THAT ARE ATTRIBUTABLE TO AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS AT THAT AIRPORT.
AND THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THE PART ONE 50 PROGRAM.
FIRST THING IS THEY STUDY TO COLLECT DATA AND DEVELOP NOISE EXPOSURE MAPS, WHICH IDENTIFIED COMPATIBLE AND NON-COMPATIBLE LAND USES AROUND THE AIRPORT.
AND THE SECOND PART GOES DEVELOPMENT NOISE, COMPATIBILITY PROGRAM, WHICH IDENTIFIES WAYS TO PRODUCE INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES AROUND THE AIRPORT.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, THE SYSTEM WAS NOT ON HOW CAN WE MAKE THE NOISE QUIETER OR MAKE THE AIRPORT GO SOMEWHERE ELSE IT'S TO REDUCE THE INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES AROUND THE AIRPORT FOR DATA COLLECTION FOR APART ONES, GET THE STUDY
MAYBE THE SOUND PRODUCED BY THESE AIRCRAFT, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPORT EVERY SINGLE TAKEOFF AND LANDING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR FOR THE AIRPORT.
YOU CAN USE SAMPLING METHODS, BUT THEY MUST BE VERIFIED AND ACCEPTED BY FAA.
UH, THE DATA COLLECTED IS THEN PUT INTO A NOISE MODEL THAT'S SPECIFIED BY FAA, AND THAT NOISE MODEL WAS USED TO PRODUCE NOISE EXPOSURE MAPS.
WHEN DO YOU NEED A PART ONE 50 STUDY? UH, IT'S AN ADDRESS THE COMMUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY CONCERNS OVER AIRPORT NOISE.
SO YOU WOULD MEET IT WHEN NOISE IS IMPACTING NEITHER THE INTERNATIONAL SPLATTER.
SO ESSENTIALLY WE HAVE, UH, COMMUNITY CONCERNS OVER AIRPORT NOISE.
THAT'S WHEN YOU WOULD DO ONE, UM, WITH RESPECT TO ADDISON, THE MOST RECENT PART, ONE 50 STUDIES, THOSE CONDUCTED CONDUCT, PARDON ME, CONDUCTED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MASTER PLAN UPDATE IN 2004.
AND IN OUR LAST MASTER PLAN UPDATE IN 2016, WE DID NOT CONDUCT THE PART IF THE STUDY AT THAT TIME, UH, REASONS OF COST AND LACK OF PERCEIVED BENEFIT, OR, UM, REALLY BEHIND THAT WE WILL LIKELY SEEK CAUSE THAT'S
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ANOTHER MASTER PLAN UPDATE, APPROXIMATELY 20, 25 OR 26 WHO PERFORMED THE STUDY OR WHAT THE STUDIES ARE PERFORMED.MY CONSULTANTS USUALLY OWN CONSULTING AND PLANNING FIRMS. THERE ARE LOTS OF THOSE FIRMS OUT THERE.
MOST OF THEM ARE NAMES YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD, I'VE LISTENED TO SOME OF THEM HERE.
MOST RECENT PART, ONE 50 STUDY FOR ALISON WAS PERFORMED BY COGNITIVE SOLUTIONS WHO ALSO DID THE MASTER PLAN IN 2004.
WHAT DOES IT COST? UH, THIS WAS PROVIDED TO ME BY, UH, TEXTILE AVIATION.
AND THESE ARE 2018 AND 2019 AIRPORT IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM GRANTS TO FUND PART ONE 50 STUDIES AT A VARIETY OF AIRPORTS, PARTICULARLY LIKE ADDISON.
UM, BUT, UH, THE COST NUMBERS THERE, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY GRANT AMOUNTS, NOT NECESSARILY THE ACTUAL COST OF THE STUDIES.
UH, WHERE DO YOU SEE AN ODD NUMBER OF DOLLARS? THAT'S MORE LIKELY TO BE AN ACTUAL COST TO THE STUDY WHERE YOU SEE A NUMBER LIKE $600,000.
THAT'S MORE LIKELY JUST TO SPEED THE GRANT AMOUNT.
SO ABOUT HALF OF THESE WERE $600,000 AND ABOVE AND ABOUT HALF OF THESE WERE A LITTLE OVER $500,000 AND BELOW, UM, TALKING TO SOME COMPANIES THAT DO THIS AND HE WAS AVIATION, UH, BASED SUGGESTED THAT THE REASONABLE ESTIMATE TO DO A STANDALONE PART ONE 50 STUDY AT ADDISON, BUT BE IN THE RANGE OF MAYBE FOUR OR $500,000.
AND THAT'S JUST AN ESTIMATE, NO GUARANTEE THAT IT WOULD BE THAT MUCH.
THAT COULD BE MORE, COULD BE LESS.
SO CAN YOU HEAR ME?
QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU BACK IN 2004 OR FIVE, WHEN THEY DID THE LAST ONE, WHAT DID IT COST YOU REMEMBER? I KNOW THAT'S BEEN 15 YEARS, TWO GRANTS FOR THAT.
AND IT WAS DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A MASTER PLAN UPDATE.
THE GRANT FOR THE MASTER PLAN ITSELF WAS ABOUT $261,000.
SO 320,000 BACK IN 2005, ACTUALLY THE GRANT WAS A 2001 GRANT AND THE STUDY WAS COMPLETED IN 2004.
HEY JOEL, THIS IS MARLIN ON THE PREVIOUS STUDY.
UM, I KNOW IT WAS APPROVED IN, UH, SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2004, BUT WOULD YOU SAY MOST OF THE, THE NOISE INFORMATION WAS COLLECTED DURING THE YEAR OF 2003, 2002? ACTUALLY THAT'S THE BASELINE YEAR FOR THE STUDY.
AM I THIRD OF A PROCEED? OKAY.
ONE 50 70 ELIGIBLE FOR GRANT FUNDING YESTERDAY.
THIS, UH, THESE STUDIES ARE TYPICALLY CONDUCTED AND FUNDED IN CONJUNCTION WITH MASTER PLAN UPDATES.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS THERE IS A CONSIDERABLE OVERLAP IN THE VERDICT COLLECTION NEEDED, OR A MASTER PLAN.
AND FOR PART ONE 50 STUDY, INCLUDING INVENTORY OF THE AIRPORT AND ITS FACILITIES, UH, THE TYPES OF AIRCRAFT BASED THERE, THE TYPES OF AIRCRAFT OPERATING THERE, UH, AND PROJECTIONS OF FUTURE USE, UH, BY, UH, THE AIRCRAFT FLEET.
SO THESE ARE THE PROJECTS WITH THE PERMIT PROGRAM ARE TYPICALLY PLANNED YEARS IN ADVANCE ALREADY.
THE FIVE-YEAR PLANNING HORIZON IS TYPICAL AS PART OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THAT IS SUBMITTED TO AND COORDINATED LIVE TEXTILE AVIATION IN OUR CASE, WHICH ACTS AS THAT THEY AGE AGENTS, UH, FOR THE GENERAL AVIATION AIRFIELDS IN TEXAS.
SO WE DECIDED TO DO ONE OF THESE OUT OF SEQUENCE.
UH, IT WOULD BE A VERY LOW PRIORITY PROJECT.
UH, IT WOULD BE UNLIKELY TO BE FUNDED BY FFA, AND IT WOULDN'T BE COMPETITIVE FOR DISCRETIONARY FUNDING AT ALL.
GENERALLY IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM, TIME TO VOTERS.
WHEN YOU GET YOUR MASTER PLAN UPDATE, WHICH YOU ARE REQUIRED TO DO, AND YOU CAN ADD ON THE VOLUNTARY PART AT THAT TIME.
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SO COULD AN AIRPORT USE A SMALL PRIMARY ENTITLEMENT TO FINANCE PART ONE 50 STUDY? UH, YEAH.COULD, THERE ARE THREE TYPES OF AIRPORT IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FUNDING AVAILABLE, AND THIS IS FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS.
THESE NUMBERS ARE AVERAGES OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
UH, THE STATE GETS STATE APPORTIONMENT FUNDING, WHICH IS ABOUT $20 MILLION ANNUALLY, AND THAT'S FORMULA DRIVEN BY THE SIZE OF THE STATE AND THE POPULATION OF THE STATE.
UH, IT ALSO GETS DISCRETIONARY FUNDING AND THOSE AMOUNTS VARY, BUT IT'S BEEN TYPICALLY AROUND $15 MILLION A YEAR AVAILABLE TO TEXAS.
AND THEN THE NON-PRIMARY ENTITLEMENT IS $150,000 ANNUALLY FOR EACH ELIGIBLE AIRPORT AND CAREFULLY IT WAS CAN HOLD THIS MONEY FOR UP TO FOUR YEARS BEFORE THEY USE IT.
SO WHEN TEXTS ABOUT AVIATION ACTUALLY FUNDS A GRANT AT AN AIRPORT, UH, SAME, WE HAD A, UH, A TAXIWAY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT FOR A BILLION DOLLARS.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN 2015 TECHS OFF IS TAKE ALL OF OUR AVAILABLE NON-PRIMARY ENTITLEMENTS AS THE FIRST DOLLARS UP TO FUND THAT GRANT.
LET ME STATE A PORTION OF FUNDS OR ANY DISCRETIONARY FUNDS COULD ASSIST ON USING ITS AVAILABLE.
NON-FARMING PILOTS TO FUND THE PART ONE 50 STUDY.
BUT WHEN WE DO THAT, WE ARE TELLING FAA AND TECH, TEXTILE THAT THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN YOUR CAPITAL DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, YOUR HIGHEST PRIORITY.
SO IF YOU MANAGE TO CONVINCE THEM OF THAT, THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE YOU AT YOUR WORD AND IT WILL LIKELY DELAY ANY OTHER PROJECTS YOU MAY HAVE LINED UP BECAUSE YOU'RE TELLING THEM THAT THE VOLUNTARY PART ONE 50 STUDY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN BUILDING YOUR TAXIWAY EXTENSION OR WHATEVER IT IS YOU MIGHT BE PLANNING TO DO.
SO THIS IS A MAP OF THE CURRENT ADDISON AIRPORT, NOISE CONTOURS, UH, NOISE EXPOSURE, MOUNTAIN NOISE CONTOUR MAP, WHERE YOU CAN JUST INTERCHANGEABLY THE POINT EXPOSURE MAP IS USED MORE FORMERLY BY FAA TO REFER TO A COMPLETE DOCUMENT THAT INCLUDES THIS MAP AND ALL OF THE SUPPORTING INFORMATION THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT.
BUT IT'S COMMONLY USED JUST TO SAY, HEY, THE NOISE CONTOUR MAP WITH THE NOISE EXPOSURE MAP, AND IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE THESE THREE CONCERTS AT 65 DECIBELS, 70 GOSPELS AND 75 DECIBELS.
SO THIS IS THE MAP THAT IS BASED ON THE 2002 DATA THAT WERE COLLECTED.
AND THIS MAP WAS APPROVED IN 2000.
THIS IS ALSO FROM THE NOISE EXPOSURE MAP.
AND THIS SHOWS THE LAND USES WITH COLOR CODING THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THIS, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO READ, BUT THE YELLOW SHADING IS SINGLE FAMILY.
RESIDENTIAL DEEP ORANGE COLOR IS MULTI FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF RED DOWN THERE NEAR ADDISON CIRCLE, WHICH IS MIXED USE.
AND THE BLUE AREAS ARE NOISE SENSITIVE INSTITUTIONS, SUCH AS SCHOOLS CONTINUE.
UM, TRINITY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY UP AT THE NORTH END OF THE AIRPORT, UH, BROCADE COMMUNITY COLLEGE WAY DOWN AT THE SOUTH END CONTOURS.
AND THE LAND USES AROUND THE AIRPORT.
UH, THIS WAS A DETAIL OF THAT SAME PHOTOGRAPH OR ST.
I'VE JUST TURNED IT SIDEWAYS, INDICATING SOUTH IS TO THE LEFT.
SO YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER INTO THE AIRPORT IN BEDS AND CLEAN PARTS OF FARMER'S BRANCH CARROLLTON AND THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.
UH, AND THESE BROWN AREAS ARE AREAS THAT WERE FLAGGED AS POTENTIALLY NOISE SINCE THE VARIOUS THAT WE SHOULD KEEP AN EYE ON TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES IN THERE.
SO WHAT HAS CAME SINCE THE LAST TIME YOU'VE BEEN APARTMENT 50 STUDY, UH, ECHO IS MODEL FOR NOISE.
UH, THEY USE A MODEL TO DRAW THESE NOISE CONTOURS ON THESE NOISE EXPOSURE MAPS.
IT TAKES THE INPUT DATA OF THE AIRCRAFT, TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS, BUT THE NOISE PRODUCED BY THESE AIRCRAFT AND DROPS ALL THAT INFORMATION INTO A MODEL AND DRAWS THOSE LINES ON THE MAP.
THE MOST RECENT PARKLAND 50 STUDY, THAT WAS A PRETTY GOOD 2004 AND USES THE INNOVATED NOISE MODEL.
IT WAS REPLACED IN AVIATION ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN TOOL OR T IN 2014.
AND THAT 18 DT IS A SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT DOES A LOT MORE THAN JUST DRAWING NOISE CONTOURS ON THE MAP.
YOU CAN SEE IF YOU WANT TO READ THROUGH ALL THIS THAT IS STRAIGHT FROM THE FAA WEBSITE ON WHAT THE EPIC ON WHAT THE, UH, UH, SO IT'S A VERY COMPREHENSIVE MODEL.
THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE INTEGRATED NOISE MODEL AND THE AEP.
SO IF YOU TAKE THE SAME PIECE OF DATA
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AND DROP THAT INTO EACH OF THESE TWO DIFFERENT MODELS, THE CONTOURS THAT THE INTEGRATED NOISE MODEL DRAWS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER ALONG THE RUNWAY MAIN AXIS, BUT A LITTLE BIT NARROWER.SO THE ACPT WILL DRAW NOISE CONTOURS THAT ARE MORE COMPRESSED OFF THE END OF THE RUNWAY WITH A LITTLE BIT WIDER ON EITHER SIDE OF THE RUNWAY.
I ONE POINT OUT THAT THE AEDT WAS A MODEL THAT WAS SUBSEQUENTLY DEVELOPED AFTER THE INM, THE INNOVATIVE NOISE MODEL, AND IT WAS BEING BIASED AS AN IMPROVEMENT TO MORE ACCURATELY REFLECT THE NOISE IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING LAND.
SO IT'S PROBABLY AN IMPROVEMENT PROBABLY MORE ACCURATE THAN THE INTEGRATED NOISE MODEL, BUT WHAT ELSE HAS CHANGED SINCE THE LAST PART ONE 50 STUDY, UH, AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS HAVE CHANGED, CERTAINLY, UH, THERE WERE AIRCRAFT OPERATING THAT WERE WHAT WE CALL STAGE TWO, AND THIS WAS A DIFFERENT PART OF THE REGULATIONS, PART 36, UH, THAT, UH, AIRCRAFT THAT THE AIRLINES HAD THAT WERE STAGED TO HAVE TO BE RETIRED IN 2000, UH, THE SMALLER AIRCRAFT UNDER 75,000 POUNDS.
NATURAL WEIGHT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RETIRED UNTIL 15 YEARS LATER, BUT THEY WERE RETIRED ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2015.
THAT IS THE AIRCRAFT THAT OPERATE IN AND OUT OF THE AIRPORT, UH, INCLUDE A LOT MORE NEWER AND QUIETER JET AIRCRAFT.
THE BASELINE 2002 DATA HAD ANNUAL OPERATIONS OF 170,000.
AND THAT INCLUDED AN ESTIMATE OF 9,500 NIGHTTIME OPERATIONS IN THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL TOWER WAS CLOSED.
SO YOU MIGHT SEE THE OFFICIAL OPERATIONS COUNTS FROM 2,200, ABOUT 160,000 AND SAY, WELL, WHY IS THIS 170,000? THAT'S BECAUSE OUR OFFICIAL OPERATIONS COUNT DON'T INCLUDE NIGHTTIME OPERATIONS BECAUSE THERE'S NOBODY HERE TO COUNT THEM.
MOST OF THE TIME
AND AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T COUNT ANY OPERATIONS THAT OCCURRED BETWEEN 10:00 PM AND 6:00 AM.
WHEN THE POWER IS NOT AN OPERATION, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE WITH DAVE ABOUT 2008, HOW CLOSE THAT IS ONE WAY ONE FIVE IS IN USE, BUT THE IS USED TO CHECK WHETHER THE COURT AND TURN ON A HEAD OF ONE
SO IT'S A SHARPER TURN TO THE NORTHEAST, AND THAT MAY AFFECT WHERE THESE AIRPLANES TRACK, ONCE THEY GET UP OFF OF THE RUNWAY AND START MAKING THEM TURN, CHANGE THAT FOR WHEN ADDISON CONDUCTS A NEW PART, ONE 50 STUDY.
WELL, IF WE GO BACK, WE'RE GOING TO GET, OF COURSE, A NEW AND UPDATED NOISE EXPOSURE MAP WITH NEW NOISE CONTOURS, HOW DIFFERENT THEY ARE AS ANYBODY'S GUESTS, UH, ALSO GET A NEW AND UPDATED NOISE COMPATIBILITY PLAN.
AND BOTH OF THESE MUST BE SUBMITTED TO FAA TEXT BOX FOR APPROVAL.
IT WAS POSSIBLE, AND PERHAPS EVEN LIKELY, BUT THE MORE CONTRACTS WILL CONTRACT, PARTICULARLY IN NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE RUNWAY ENDS.
AND THAT MAY HAVE SOME FAVORABLE IMPLICATIONS FOR REDEVELOPMENT ALONG THE CORRIDOR, BECAUSE THAT WILL FILL THAT 65 BV, UH, NOISE CONTOUR SO-SO TO THE AIRPORT AND THE OFFICE.
SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE SOLVED AT THE AIRPORT, ONE OF THOSE CONTROLLERS MAY EXPAND OR CONTRACT LATERALLY, UH, IN THE AREA OF EAST, WEST OF RUNWAY.
I REALLY COULDN'T TELL YOU, UM, IT'S NOT REALLY POSSIBLE TO SAY THAT WITHOUT PERFORMING THE STUDY, BUT JUST GIVEN THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN, UH, THAT THE TWO MODELS THAT WOULD SAY, WELL, MAYBE THEY COULD EXPAND, BUT GIVEN THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN OUR OPERATIONS THEN, AND NOW THAT WOULD TEND TO PUSH THE CONTOURS IN THE OTHER DIRECTION, PERHAPS CONTRACTS.
SO ONE CAVEAT HERE THAT YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL OF IS IF THE NOISE CONTOURS EXPAND TO INCLUDE
JOEL, CAN YOU, UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME QUICK QUESTION? WHAT WOULD THAT, WHAT CAN YOU GIVE SOME COLOR TO WHAT THAT WOULD INVOLVE IN TERMS
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OF MITIGATING THE NOISE FOR THE RESIDENTS? IF, IF I HAD A HARD TIME HEARING THAT.YEAH, JUST SOME, UH, WHAT WOULD THAT INVOLVE IF WE WERE TO NEED TO MITIGATE NOISE FOR RESIDENTS, IT'S TYPICALLY FOUND PROVING, UM, FOR SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, THERE WOULD BE NOISE, INSULATION AND SOUNDPROOFING TYPE OF THINGS.
UM, MULTIFAMILY, IT'S USUALLY NOT DIFFICULT TO DO IT'S AGAIN.
UM, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO FACE BE HONEST, BUT THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, IMPROVING THE NOISE REDUCTION OF THE CONSTRUCTION IN, BY INFLATING, CHANGING OUT WINDOWS, WHATEVER IT WOULD BE.
SO SOME THINGS WILL NOT CHANGE, UM, FLIGHT PATTERNS IN TWO AND A HALF OUT OF AN AIRPORT ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
IN FACT, IN OUR LAST NOISE COMPATIBILITY PROGRAM, WE DID REQUEST A CHANGE.
UH, AND THAT CHANGE THAT WAS REQUESTED WAS FOR AIRCRAFT DEPARTING ON RUNWAY ONE, FIVE TO THE SOUTH TO EXTEND THEIR DEPARTURE BEFORE MAKING THEIR LEFT-HAND TURN.
AND THE REASON WAS IT WOULD KEEP HIM FROM TURNING OVER SOME NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE SOUTH AND EAST OF THE AIRPORT.
SO WAS THE IDEA WAS STAYING THAT EXTENDED BEYOND THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEN TURN SOMEWHERE ELSE FURTHER TO THE SOUTH, MAYBE OVER THE GALLERIA.
THAT'S A DISAPPROVE THAT BECAUSE OF THE RISK OF THOSE AIRCRAFT IMPINGING ON THE AIRSPACE FOR DALLAS LOVE FIELD, OR THEY SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE THAT.
THERE'S TOO MUCH ELSE GOING ON.
THE AIRSPACE IS TOO TIGHT AND TOO BUSY.
AND THAT REALLY STILL IS IN EFFECT.
I THINK THAT ANYBODY WHO IS FAMILIAR WITH HOW THE AIRSPACE IS OPERATING HERE, AND THAT WAS THE DALLAS FORT WORTH INTERNATIONAL BMW, IT WAS THE BIG DOG HERE AND THEY ARE RUNNING 2000 AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS PER DAY.
TAKE OFF THE MANDATES ON AVERAGE 2000 EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR AND THEIR TRAFFIC TAKES PRIORITY.
AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS ORGANIZED AROUND THAT, INCLUDING THE LOVE FIELD, WHICH IS ABOUT 700 TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS EVERY DAY.
AND THEN WHEN YOU COMPARE, UH, OUT OF SOMEWHERE AROUND 300, MAYBE 350 TAKEOFFS LANDINGS EVERY DAY, UH, AND WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO BOTH THE LOVE FIELD AND DFW.
SO WE HAVE A TIGHT WINDOW, WHICH TO GET OUR IN AND OUT.
SO THERE'S REALLY NOT GOING TO BE MUCH OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE FLIGHT PATTERNS.
THERE'S JUST NOT ANY WAY TO DO IT SAFELY.
THE SECOND THING THAT OFTEN IS CURFEW OR RESTRICTIONS ON FLIGHT OPERATIONS THAT NEVER RESULTS FROM A PART ONE 50 STUDY.
THERE IS A, ANOTHER PROCESS, ALL PART ONE 61 THAT YOU MUST GO THROUGH TO IMPOSE NOISE OR ACCESS RESTRICTIONS.
AND TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, NO AIRPORT HAS EVER GOTTEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS SUCCESSFULLY AND IMPOSE ANY SIGNIFICANT RESTRICTIONS ON AIRPORT OPERATIONS.
NOT NECESSARILY THAT COULDN'T HAPPEN JUST THAT IT HASN'T YET.
THE OTHER THING THAT WON'T CHANGE IS HAVE A DEFINITIONS FOR WHAT THEY CONSIDER TO BE, UH, INCOMPATIBLE NOISE, UH, INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES, WHICH ARE DEFINED AS PART OF THE REGULATION IN THE APPENDIX.
AND THESE ARE ALSO IN OUR NOISE EXPOSURE MAP DOCUMENT, UH, WHAT THOSE LAND USES ARE.
I THINK YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN THAT DOCUMENT IN CONNECTION WITH MR. BALDWIN'S, UH, PROPOSAL TO, UH, MOVE HIS RESIDENCE AND RECONSTRUCT IT FURTHER FROM THE AIRPORT, BUT STILL IN THE 65 BB CONTOUR AND RESIDENTIAL IS CONSIDERED TO BE INCOMPATIBLE WITHIN THE 65.
SO WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS HERE? UM, SIMPLY A NEW PART, ONE 50 STUDY.
AND IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, WHAT COULD, HOW COULD WE DO THAT? SO IF WE WANTED TO CONSENT A NEW PART, ONE 50 STUDY RIGHT AWAY, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR IT.
WE COULD HAVE REQUEST TO USE OUR NON-PRIMARY ENTITLEMENT FUNDS.
WE HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE FOR FYI 21, THAT'S ONLY $150,000.
SO, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO PAY FOR THIS.
AND WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO TAKE THE HIT TO OUR PLAN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, WHICH RIGHT NOW THAT TAXIWAY PROBLEM, THE SECOND WAY TO DO THAT IS TO USE A DIFFERENT TOWN FUNDING SOURCE.
UM, WHETHER FROM THE AIRPORT FUND OR THE GENERAL FUND, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT SOURCE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO USE GRANT FUNDS.
THE THIRD OPTION WOULD BE TO SEEK A PRIVATE FUNDING SOURCE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE WE PICK UP THE MASTER DEVELOPER FOR THE ADDISON CIRCLE, TRANSFERRING TO DEVELOPMENT, UH, IF THEY HAD A BIG INTEREST IN TRYING TO MOVE THAT
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65 DB CONTOUR TO FACILITATE MORE RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE MORE PROFITABLE WITH IT, MAYBE IN THEIR INTEREST TO DO THAT FOR TIMING, THE STUDY TYPICALLY TAKES ABOUT 18 TO 24 MONTHS TO COMPLETE.UH, IF WE WANT TO USE OUR NON-PERMANENT TITLE ONE FUNDS, WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME SELECTION PROCESSES AFTER FIGHTING WITH TXDOT AND FAA TO GO AHEAD AND USE IT.
UM, YOUR SECOND OPTION, IT'S TOO LATE TO CONDUCT A NEW PART, ONE 50 STUDIES IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR NEXT MASTER PLAN UPDATE.
AND THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE TYPICAL 90% GRANT FUNDING WITH A 10% LOCAL MATCH OUT OF THE AIRPORT TO FUND.
UM, WE TYPICALLY DO A MASTER PLAN ABOUT EVERY 12 TO 14 YEARS HERE.
UH, WE'VE DONE ONE IN 1990, 2000, SO THERE ARE, UH, 2016.
SO, UH, 2025, 2026 WOULD PROBABLY BE THE TIME TO ASK FOR THAT GRANT.
AND IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE US A COUPLE OF YEARS BEYOND THAT TO GET THE NEXT MASTER PLAN APPROVED.
SO LOOKING AT A BETTER APPROVAL BASIS, PERHAPS 20, 28, IF WE GOT THE GRANT IN 2025 OR 2026, OUR BOAT OPTIONS DON'T DO IT.
IT WOULDN'T COST US ANYTHING TO NOT DO IT BECAUSE IT IS A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM AND THERE IS NO REQUIREMENTS THING.
THEY HAVE TO UPDATE THE NOISE EXPOSURE MAPS FOR THE NOISE COMPATIBILITY PROGRAM.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE GO AHEAD AND DO A PART ONE 50 STUDY UPDATES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NEXT TIME WE FUND A MASTER PLAN UPDATE, UH, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND WE NOT TRY TO USE NON-FARMING ENTITLEMENT FUNDING.
UH, SOMEBODY THAT WOULD BE NOT CAN PAY FOR THE WHOLE THING.
IT WOULD DELAY OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE TO UP.
UM, IT'S GOING TO COST MORE TO DO THE PART ONE 50 STUDY IF WE GET A STANDALONE FASHION RATHER THAN WITH A MASTER PLAN UPDATE BECAUSE OF THE OVERLAP OF DATA COLLECTION.
UM, AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET WHAT WE WANT, BUT WE WANT THE SMALLER CONTOURS, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT PICK THAT WE MIGHT NOT.
UM, AND THERE IS A RISK THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME, UH, PREVIOUSLY, UH, LAND USES THAT WERE IN THE OUTSIDE OF 65 AND THE CONTOUR, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT MIGHT GET INCLUDED IN THE PIECE OF THE 65 DB CONTOUR.
AND WE MAY ALL BE ON THE HOOK TO, UH, DO SOME MITIGATION FOR NOISE EXPOSURE.
IN THAT CASE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY LIKELY, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN.
AND IT WOULD NOT BE COMPLETELY HONEST NOT TO MENTION THAT AS POSSIBILITY.
OH, I'VE GOT SOME LINKS TO RESOURCES AND INFORMATION FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO RUN SOME OF THOSE THINGS DOWN AND, UH, OR ANY QUESTIONS I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, WAIT UNTIL THE HELL, PUT A MASSIVE PLAN.
WE DO THAT CONTROL NOISE, STUDY NOISE CONTROL STUDY AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S QUITE A SUGGESTION, BUT I HAVE ONE CONCERN IS WAY HIGHER THAN CUSHMAN AND WAKEFIELD TO FIND A MASSIVE DEVELOPER TO DEVELOP A TOD TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
SO HERE WILL AFFECT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
SO IN THE COMING FIVE TO 10 YEARS, SO BY DELAYING TWO, I WASN'T DELAY, BUT BY WAITING UNTIL 2025 TO 26 FOR THE SEQUENCE.
SO THAT'S MY CONCERN, YOU KNOW, WHAT IMPACT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS OVER THAT FRENZY? SO, YEAH, THE COUNTERPOINT OF SOMEONE WHO SAYS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTERPOINT TO THAT COULD BE POSSIBLY THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF BEING ABLE TO, UM, HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
IF THE NEW STUDY IS FAVORABLE AND FROM THE INFORMATION THAT JOEL PROVIDED, IT'S, IT SOUNDED LIKE THE, UH, THE NEW TECH, THE NEW METHODOLOGY WOULD POSSIBLY BE MORE, MORE FLEXIBLE WITH REGARD TO THAT.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY, BUT SO IT, IT COULD BE A BENEFIT, I SUPPOSE IT COULD BE.
ARE WE READING BETWEEN THE LINES OF WHAT JOEL SAID MORE SOUTH DIMENSION? I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKELY TO, IT'S GOING TO HELP THE END WITH THE ROAD REDEVELOPMENT AND NOT NECESSARILY AS MUCH FOR, SO RELYING DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE.
I DID A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, JOEL, WHEN YOU SAID ABOUT 15 TIMES THAT THIS IS A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT, EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS THAT THIS WHOLE PROGRAM IS VOLUNTARY AND,
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UH, IT, IT MEANS THAT YOU, IF YOU'RE IN AN AIRPORT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A PART ONE 50 STUDY EVER IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.UM, BUT ONCE YOU DO ONE AND YOU HAVE THESE NOISE EXPOSURE MAPS, THEN YOU ARE BOUND BY THOSE RESULTS AT AN ESSAY POINT TO INSIST THAT YOU NOT ALLOW WHAT THEY CONSIDER INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES WITHIN THAT 65 DB CONTOUR.
AND CERTAINLY NOT WITHIN THE 70 OR 75 DB CONTOUR AND THEIR INTERESTS THERE IS TO PROTECT THEIR INVESTMENT IN THE AIRPORTS.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN CASES WHERE COMMUNITIES HAVE SHUT DOWN AIRPORTS FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
UH, AND YOU, UM, IF YOU'RE THE FAA DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON AN AIRPORT THAT IS ONLY DO YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT DOES NOT SUPPORT IT AND ONLY WANTS IT TO GO AWAY.
UH, SO ONCE YOU DO THIS, YOU ARE COMMITTED TO ABIDE BY THAT, BUT YOU AREN'T REQUIRED EVER TO DO THIS, UNFORTUNATELY, OR FORTUNATELY, HOWEVER YOU DID IT.
WE HAVE DONE THIS ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS, UH, AND WE HAVE A NOISE EXPOSURE MAP, WHICH SI THAT THEY EXPECTS US TO REGULATE OR CONTROL THE LAND USE IS INSIDE THE 65 DB CONTOURS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE AIRPORT.
SO JUST AS A FOLLOWUP, QUICK QUESTION.
SO LET'S SEE, HAVE YOU SEEN IT BEFORE OR ANOTHER AIRPORT ALLOWED THEM COMPATIBLE LAND USE ADJACENT TO IT AND MAY HAVE REQUIRED THEM TO DO NOISE ABATEMENT OR PEAMEAL PENALIZED THE AIRPORT FORWARD? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
I MEAN, I KNOW THEY GOT A BIG STICK, UM, AND TH THEY'RE THE ONE GIVING US GRANT FUNDING.
SO I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD, IF YOU'VE SEEN IT PERSONALLY, THAT'S COMING EMPLOYED BEFORE, UH, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
NO, I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY AIRPORT OR AIRPORT SPONSORS THAT ALLOWED AN INCOMPATIBLE LAND USE WITHIN AN EXISTING 65 DB CONTOUR.
UM, AS YOU NOTE, MPA HAS A BIG STAKE OF GRANT FUNDING AND THEY WOULD CONSIDER THAT A GRANT ASSURANCE VIOLATION.
I THINK THAT DISCUSSION DID COME UP IN REGARD TO MR. BOWMAN'S, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH FAA AND MR. OBAMA AND HIS ASSOCIATES, UH, AND SOME COUNTS STAFF, UH, ABOUT THAT VARIATION AND HOW FAA MIGHT REACT IF WE ALLOWED SUCH A DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE 65 TO 80 CONTOUR.
AND WHAT I TOOK FROM THAT WAS THAT A FFA, YOU KNOW, COULD PUT US IN VIOLATION OF THE GRANT ASSURANCES AND THE FIRST THING THEY WOULD DO ON THAT, IT WAS, UH, PROBABLY HAULED GRANT FUNDING FOR FUTURE PROJECTS FOR AT LEAST UNTIL YOU CORRECTED THAT VIOLATION.
WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH MY MIND IS THE MAYOR WAS SPEAKING EARLIER THAT IT'S A 10 YEAR DEVELOPMENT WINDOW SAY FOR THE ADDISON CIRCLE TRANSIT DEVELOPMENT, DOES THIS DOWN AN ELEMENT OF UNCERTAINTY FOR THE DEVELOPER, IF WE WERE TO INITIATE THIS, I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T REALLY HEAR THAT QUESTION.
COULD YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? I WAS JUST WONDERING IF, SINCE THERE'S A 10, SAY 10 YEAR DEVELOPMENT WINDOW FOR THE ADDISON CIRCLE TRANSIT DEVELOPMENT, IF WE INITIATED THIS, ARE WE ADDING AN ELEMENT OF UNCERTAINTY AS THEY'RE TRYING TO PLAY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO? I WOULDN'T THINK THAT THIS WOULD ADD THAT SAME ELEMENT OVERNIGHT, RIGHT? BUT PARTICULARLY WITH THIS STARTING THE ADDISON CIRCLE DEVELOPMENT PLANNING, I WOULD, GEEZ, THESE ARE AWESOME.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT IS SOMETHING TO BE THOUGHT TO BE MINDFUL OF.
UH, THERE IS RIGHT NOW HOW WE'VE GOT IT SET UP IS EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE A COMPATIBLE LAND USE IS ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT SITE, CLOSER TO THE AIRPORT.
AND THOSE, UH, THOSE USES THAT WOULD BE INCOMPATIBLE ARE POSITIONED ON THE EASTERN SIDE, OUTSIDE OF THE NOISE CONTOURS.
SO IF, AND WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS TODAY, IF YOU STARTED THAT PROCESS AND, AND THEY WERE TRYING TO PLAN IN THE MIDDLE OF NOT KNOWING THE OUTCOME, I THINK THAT DOES INCREASE THE UNCERTAINTY ABOUT WHAT, WHERE THOSE, WHERE THAT LINE WOULD BE DELINEATED FOR COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES, ESPECIALLY IF IT BECAME MORE RESTRICTIVE, GOOD OLD BET IF, IF THE COME THROUGH AND EXPENDED.
SO GOOD OLD JOE WILL HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
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CAN YOU TELL ME IF THE TOWN HAS TO GIVE PERMISSION FOR A ONE 50 STUDY TO BE CONDUCTED OR CAN A PRIVATE ENTITY PAY FOR IT AND REQUEST IT? AND THEN THE TOWN HAS TO ABIDE BY IT BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE IT'S BEEN CONDUCTED.JOEL, DID YOU HEAR THAT THEY CAN BE DONE? I THINK I UNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION TO BE A LIBERAL TOWN BE ABLE TO PAY FOR, OR WOULD THEY ALLOW A THIRD PARTY, A PRIVATE ENTITY PAYS FOR IT.
AND I THINK THE FUNDING SOURCE COULD COUNT FROM A THIRD PARTY, BUT I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE, UH, UNDER THE TOWN'S, UH, AUTHORITY.
UH, HONESTLY, THAT'S SOMETHING I, I'M NOT REALLY THAT FAMILIAR WITH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS EVER COME UP BEFORE, BECAUSE THE NORMAL WAY TO DO THIS AS THE AIRPORT OWNER, THE AIRPORT SPONSOR WOULD CONDUCT THE STUDY, UH, AND TYPICALLY FUNDED THROUGH A GRANT FUNDING.
UM, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THE TOWN COULD EITHER PAY FOR IT OR, UM, HAVING THIRD PARTY PAID FOR IT.
I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS, IS PROBABLY WORTH A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION TO TECHSTOP AND FAA, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
IF SOMEBODY FUNDED SOMETHING, IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FAA APPROVAL PROCESS.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S THE SEEKING, THAT'S THE FUNDING OPTION, WHERE WE WOULD SEEK A PRIVATE FUNDING SOURCE.
BUT MY, MY QUESTION LEANS MORE TOWARDS, CAN THE TOWN BE COMPELLED TO HAVE A ONE 50 STUDY CONDUCTED OR, OR DOESN'T DO WE HAVE TO GIVE PERMISSION TO HAVE, OR TO, UH, BY REQUIRE US TO ABIDE BY, UH, BY THE FINDINGS.
THAT WAS WHAT I WANTED TO DO OR HEADED TOWARDS IS COULD THE TOWN PAY TO HAVE ONE DONE AND THEN IGNORE IT? IS THAT YOUR
SO REALLY THE QUESTION IS, IS CAN A PRIVATE PARTY COMPEL THE AIRPORT TO DO A PART ONE 57? ANY PRIVATE PARTY COMPEL IT? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
THEY CAN US TOO, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THEY CAN TELL IT ISN'T IN THAT SENSE OF VOLUNTARY, VOLUNTARY PROGRAM.
YOU CAN SAY, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO DO ANOTHER ONE IN THOSE NOISE CONTOURS.
WE'RE GOING TO STAY RIGHT WHERE THEY ARE AT JOEL AND NEPAL.
AMERICA ARE GOING TO GET QUIETER.
AND EVEN IF WE HAVE MORE OF THEM, UM, IF YOU WAIT LONG ENOUGH AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT MIGHT BE, IT MIGHT BE TODAY.
IT MIGHT BE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, BUT THOSE, THOSE AIRPLANES ARE GOING TO GET QUIET OR NOSE NOISE CONTOURS WILL EVENTUALLY SHRINK.
AND THAT YOU'RE ALL INDEPENDENT OR A PRIVATE INDUSTRY LENS.
HEY, WE'LL PAY FOR THAT STEADY NOW SO THAT WE CAN GET CLOSER TO THIS CONTOUR LINE.
WE'RE ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO BE GETTING SMALLER.
JOEL, THE OTHER, DID YOU HEAR ME? I HOLD ON.
I WAS NOT IN THE STAND BACK QUESTION EITHER.
WELL COMMENT, JOEL, TOM AROUND, UM, QUICK QUESTION.
SO THE FOLLOW-UP TO THE COM OVER THAT YOU SAID PROBABLY NOBODY CAN COMPEL US TO DO IT SINCE IT'S VOLUNTARY PROGRAM.
IF THE TOWN, AT SOME POINT DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND NOT USE THEIR MONEY TO DO THIS, BUT PAY FOR IT, WHETHER IT'S OUR MONEY OR SOMEBODY ELSE'S MONEY, DO THE, DO THE STUDY.
AND WHEN THOSE RESULTS CAME OUT, IT WAS IN OUR FAVOR.
THEN WE TAKE IT TO THE FAA AND, AND HAVE IT HAVE THE CONCERTS CHANGE.
IF IT'S NOT IN OUR FAVOR, WE JUST SAY, FORGET IT.
UM, JUST LEAVE IT AS IT IS TODAY.
IS THAT POSSIBLE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD? I WOULD THINK.
YES, BECAUSE WE HADN'T SPENT MONEY TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT I'M HESITANT TO GIVE YOU A 100% BECAUSE I'VE NEVER REALLY CONSIDERED THAT QUESTION BEFORE, AND I WOULD NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE GIVING YOU A FIRM ANSWER WITHOUT MAYBE DOING A LITTLE CHECKING ON THAT.
WELL, I GOT SAVED WHILE WE DO THAT.
WELL, I, AND THAT WAS KIND OF BASED ON THE ANSWERS ON WHAT THIS CONTOUR COULD, COULD DO, MEANING IT COULD, IT COULD POSSIBLY YOU'RE THINKING IT COULD POSSIBLY GROW EAST WEST AND RETREAT NORTH SOUTH.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANT TO PUT, NOT ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVE NON-CONFORMING USES ALONG WITH THE ACCESS OF THAT IN ONE WAY, BUT I THINK LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD, UM,
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IT COULDN'T BE VERY IMPORTANT TO REDEVELOP MY WATER INWARD.SO, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO TRIGGER SOMETHING THAT CAUSES YOU OTHER PROBLEMS. SO THAT WAS PROBABLY BE AN INTERESTING THING TO FIND OUT.
TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO DO IT.
THE ONLY, I MEAN, WITHOUT KNOWING THE SPECIFIC ANSWER THAT JOEL FOLLOW UP ON THE OTHER THING IS, IS YOU'RE.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO NOT DO IT, THEN YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY ELSE'S MONEY IS BEING USED AND NOT OURS.
BUT I REALLY DOUBT IF THIS STUDY IS CONDUCTED, THEN YOUR OWN TOLD ME THAT THE SITUATION BENEFICIAL TO YOU, THEN YOU DISCLOSE IT.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT, YOU JUST HIDE IT ONCE YOU DO THAT, YOU GET A COP, YOU KNOW, IT'S DECEIVING.
SO I REALLY DON'T THINK, I KNOW JOE DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION BECAUSE THERE'S NO PRECEDENT FOR THE TIME BEING, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ETHICAL ACT.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING A COUPLE OF THINGS.
AND SO MY THOUGHT IS THIS, IN OUR ANSWERS TO COUNCIL QUESTIONS, WE'VE GOT, UH, OH, THESE, THESE NUMBER OF OPERATIONS PER YEAR.
AND IF, AND IF I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US CORRECTLY, THE LAST TIME, UH, THIS WAS DONE, AS FAR AS THE BASELINE STUDY WAS 2002 AND 2002, WE HAD ALMOST 159,000 TOTAL OPERATIONS.
AND SO IF YOU FAST FORWARD TO LAST YEAR'S NUMBERS, WE HAD 115,000.
BUT, BUT WHERE YOU WERE YOU TELLING US THAT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE 10:00 PM TO 6:00 AM? THAT IS CORRECT.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY OPERATIONS AT NIGHT TIME.
AND HONESTLY, RIGHT NOW, I KNOW WE DO HAVE NIGHTTIME OPERATIONS.
HOW MANY, I REALLY COULDN'T TELL YOU.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'RE WORKING ON ACQUIRING A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WILL ENABLE US TO COUNT THOSE.
AND IT'S A RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
UH, SO IT'S, IT'S ONE THAT I'VE BEEN KIND OF EAGER TO LAY MY HANDS ON.
IT'S ONLY ABOUT A $7,000 EQUIPMENT PURCHASE, UM, BUT IT'S A SOLE SOURCE DEAL.
AND, UH, THAT WOULD GIVE US SOME, SOME NIGHTTIME OPERATIONAL COUNTS.
UM, BUT YES, THAT, THAT DATA THAT, UH, WAS USED TO DO THE NOISE STUDY DID INCLUDE NIGHTTIME COUNTS.
UH, AND IT WAS AN ESTIMATED 9,500 OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR.
THEY DID SOME SAMPLING AND DID SOME, UH, WORK TO ENSURE THAT THOSE SAMPLES WERE REPRESENTATIVE.
AND THEN THEY PROJECTED, UH, AN ANNUAL TOTAL OFF OF THOSE SAMPLES THAT THEY DID.
UM, BUT, UH, ONE THING THAT IS IMPORTANT ABOUT THE NIGHTTIME COUNTS IS THERE IS A 10 DECIBELS PENALTY OR ANYTHING THAT IS OPERATING AT NIGHT BECAUSE IT'S ON A THEORY THAT THINGS ARE QUIETER AT NIGHT.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE MORE DISTURBED BY LOUD AIRPLANES AT NIGHT.
SO THERE'S A 10 DECIBELS PENALTY AUTOMATICALLY ADDED TO THE ACTUAL NOISE VALUE IN THE MODEL.
DO YOU THINK WE'RE DOING LESS OR MORE, OR THE SAME NIGHT OPERATIONS IS, UH, CURRENT, UH, COMPARED TO 2002, MY GUESS IS THAT WE ARE PROBABLY BUILDING DEALER.
AND THAT A REASON FOR THAT, A LOT OF THAT GOES BACK TO THE OPERATORS LIKE CHERRY AIR THAT WAS FLYING SMALL, NOISY JENSEN.
DON'T A LOT OF CARGO, A LOT OF CARGO MOVES AT NIGHT.
SO MY DESK WAS, AND WE HAD A FAIR NUMBER OF SMALL NOISY JETS MAKE A NIGHTTIME OPERATIONS.
I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE NOISE EXPOSURE MAP DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE, UH, AND SEE WHAT THE, WHAT THE AIRCRAFT MIX WAS IT'S NIGHT.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, IF IT WAS OLDER, STAGE TWO JETS FLYING CARGO, THE, THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH GONE AWAY.
SO THAT WAS, UH, WORK IN OUR FAVOR QUITE A BIT.
AND, AND ALSO, I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY A BETTER TECHNOLOGY AND PLANES NOW, UM, EQUALS LESS NOISY OPERATIONS IN LAYMAN'S TERMS. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
UH, THE, THE AIRLINERS AND AIRPLANES THAT COMPLY TODAY, ALL HAVE TO MEET WHAT THEY CALL STAGE THREE REQUIREMENTS.
THERE'S ALSO LATE STAGE FOUR AND EVEN A STAGE FIVE.
AND I BELIEVE THE STAGE FIVE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR NEW AIRCRAFT DESIGNS AFTER 2017.
SO STAY BEFORE CRAFT CAN STILL BE MANUFACTURED IF IT'S AN EXISTING DESIGN, BUT FROM 2017,
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THEY'VE GOT TO MEET STAGE FIVE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ARE AGAIN, MORE STRICT ON THE NOISE.AND A LOT OF IT IS THE ENGINE TECHNOLOGY ON THE AIRCRAFT IS, HAS GOTTEN SO MUCH BETTER.
THIS IS PARTICULARLY JET AIRCRAFT.
OKAY, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A PROPELLER AIRCRAFT OR NOTHING MUCH HAS CHANGED.
SO IT'S A PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AIRCRAFT THAT HAS BEEN OUT HERE SINCE THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES, THERE WAS NOT MUCH SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE ON THE PISTON AIRPLANES, BUT IT'S PRIMARILY THE JETTER PLANES AND REALLY THE WHOLE PART ONE 50 CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF NOISY JET AIRLINERS.
AND THEN IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN ANYWHERE NEAR A BCA AT TAKEOFF POWER, YOU'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN, AND THEN LASTLY, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A BETTER HANDLE ON THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN DID YOU KNOW THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE AIRPORT BETTER THAN ANYONE I'M SURE.
UM, AND IS, IF YOU HAD TO GUESS WHEN, WHEN WE NEED TO UPDATE THAT NEXT ONE, WOULD YOU GUESS, WELL, I, I JUST SAY THAT THE NORMAL TIMESCALE TO DO THAT, BECAUSE IF IT'S MORE THAN 10 YEARS OLD, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE IT UP, TAKE A LOOK AT UPDATING IT.
AND A LOT OF THAT IS BASED ON CONDITIONS AND WE'VE HAD SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS IN EXECUTING THAT MASTER PLAN.
I THINK YOU'RE SEEING AT THE SOUTH END OF THE AIRPORT, TAKING THERE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW FBO, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CUSTOMS FACILITY.
AND THERE'S SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE WILL BE, UH, WHILE WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'LL BE PUSHING OUT, UH, THIS YEAR, I THINK, AND SEEING WHAT KIND OF RESPONSES WE MAY GET.
SO I THINK THAT, UH, YES, PROBABLY NOT A FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, IT WILL BE TIME TO UPDATE THAT MASTER PLAN.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S ALL BASED ON CONDITIONS APPEAR IN STATIC CONDITIONS AND NOTHING MUCH IS CHANGING THEN YOU'RE PROBABLY OKAY TO LET YOUR MASTER PLAN GO A LITTLE BIT LONGER, BUT WHEN THINGS ARE DYNAMIC AND THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY AND A LOT OF CHANGES GOING ON, THEN A QUICKER UPDATE IS REALLY AN ORDER.
AND YOU'RE, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A BETTER FINISH.
SO YOU'RE THINKING 2025 TO 2026.
THAT'S ABOUT WHERE I WOULD PUT IT RIGHT NOW.
AND, UH, AGAIN, IF WE WANTED TO TRY TO PUSH THAT UP A YEAR OR TWO, WE MIGHT DO THAT.
UH, FAA TEXTILES PLANNING HORIZON IS THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT RIGHT TOWARDS THE END OF THAT PLANNING HORIZON.
UH, WE MIGHT PUSH THAT UP TO 20, 24, 25 WHOLE LOT, BUT IT COULD BE MAYBE A YEAR SCENARIO.
IT MIGHT BE LOOKING AT THAT TO PUSH IT SOONER.
I JUST WANT HIM TO VOICE AGREEMENT WITH THE MIRRORS COMMENTS.
I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WE WOULD PAY FOR A STUDY AND NOT SHARE IT.
YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE AWAY GET A 90% GRANT ONLY BELOW 10% IS WONDERFUL.
EVEN IF, I MEAN, WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S TRUE, EVEN IF IT WERE A PRIVATE ENTITY THAT PAID FOR IT? I THINK BY THE WAY, NOT ANOTHER LAWYER, BUT WHAT STRIKES ME IS THAT IF, IF THE CITY COUNCIL KNEW THAT THERE WERE AREAS THAT NOW WERE INCOMPATIBLE AND WE ALLOWED DEVELOPERS TO BUILD THERE KNOWING THAT, BECAUSE WE HADN'T SHARED IT.
I SEE ISSUES THINKING ABOUT THE OTHER, THE VICE VERSA THAT WHERE EVENTUALLY GET A SUIT.
EVENTUALLY IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOT TO BE RIGHT.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE, UM, THE QUESTION ABOUT, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW DID WE ASSIGN A VALUE TO THE FLEXIBILITY OF IMPROVEMENTS AND THE CONTOUR AROUND THE END WOOD AREA? SO IN OTHER WORDS, HAVE THERE BEEN SITUATIONS WHERE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES HAVE SURFACED THAT WERE TURNED AWAY OR COULDN'T TAKE PLACE BECAUSE OF THE CONTOUR THAT WE KNOW OF? YES.
THERE'VE BEEN INTERESTING, UH, PARTIES THAT HAVE REACHED OUT AND ASKED ABOUT WHAT IS POSSIBLE THERE.
AND INEVITABLY WE, WE ARE SHARING INFORMATION ABOUT BOTH THE NOISE CONTOURS AS WELL, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THE FLIGHT, UH, THE FLIGHT PATTERNS.
SO YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT TIGHT IN THAT CASE AND THEN NOISE CONTOURS.
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THAT INTO PROBLEMS THERE YEARS, YEARS AGO, WE TRIED TO GO OUT AND TALK TO LONG TIME AGO, TRIED TO TRY TO GO AND TALK TO DEVELOPERS, KNOWING THE INVOICE WAS NEEDING SOME REDEVELOPMENT.
AND ALMOST EVERY DEVELOPER WE TALKED TO FELT LIKE AT THAT TIME, THIS DON'T COME UP.
IT FELT LIKE THEY NEEDED SOME BUILDING COMPONENT TO MAKE OUR DEVELOPMENT WORK THERE.
AND WE TOLD THEM THAT, I MEAN, I HAVE A KNOCK MOORE'S CONTOURS
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YOU CAN'T RIGHT.IT'S ALL RESTRICTED IN THAT WHOLE AREA.
SO I KNOW THAT THEY ASKED FOR IT.
YOU KNOW, NOW HAVING SAID THAT THAT'S A LONG TIME AGO, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, INVOLVEMENTS CHANGES ALL THE TIME.
SO WHEN AT THAT TIME IT WAS ALWAYS A STICKING POINT AND THEY'RE SORT OF LIKE, OKAY, WELL, IF WE CAN'T, IF WE CAN'T HAVE THAT PORTION OF, OF COURSE, ALL THOSE DEVELOPERS WANT SOME, SOME LIVING COMPONENT, RIGHT.
THAT'S WHERE THEY MAKE A LOT OF THEIR MONEY.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, SO THAT WAS, UH, AND DON'T FORGET THAT THAT FACT IS IT'S THE INCOMPATIBLE USE.
THAT'S A CONCERN, THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE BUILT IN THAT AREA THAT ARE COMPATIBLE LAND USES THAT.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT WHAT'S APPETIZING TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO INVEST IN, OR WHAT DO THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING, BUT IT'S JUST THE LAND EDISON AREA IS KIND OF NARROW.
I MEAN, HE'S WES WISE, BUT IF, IF THEY CAN, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH THE FARMERS BRANCH, YOU KNOW, SO THEY CAN BUILD A LIVING, UH, UNIONS IN FARMERS BRANCH, LEAVE THIS RETAIL ON EDISON SIDE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES A LOT OF COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY.
THAT'S WHAT I SAID, HEY, HEY, JOEL, THIS IS LYNN AGAIN.
UM, DO YOU THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE OPERATIONS ONCE A GALA GALAXY IS IN PLACE, UH, OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS OR, OR, UH, EQUAL OR LESS, OR DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, IDEAS OR THOUGHTS WHAT THE FUTURE MIGHT, MIGHT BE AS FAR AS TOTAL OPERATIONS OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS? I SEE RIGHT NOW, WE SEEM LIKE, I THINK GALAXY WILL BRING IN NEW BASE AIRCRAFT AND ADDITIONAL AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS.
I THINK THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE AIMING MORE FOR TURBINE AIRCRAFT, JET AIRCRAFT TURBOPROPS.
UM, AND I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO SAY THIS, BUT I THINK THAT, UH, THE AIRPORT AND THE DEVELOPMENT PATH THAT IT'S TAKING AND THE VALUE OF THE AIRPORT IS MORE BUSINESS AVIATION.
SO RECREATIONAL FLYING IS REALLY ALMOST DISAPPEARED FROM THE AIRPORT IN THE PAST IN 15 YEARS.
IT'S NOT NEARLY AS PREVALENT AS IT USED TO BE.
THERE IS STILL SOME, BUT IT'S A FAR LOWER LEVEL THAN WHAT IT USED TO BE.
WE STILL HAVE THE SIGNIFICANT FLIGHT TRAINING COMPONENT, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE IS MORE BUSINESS AIRCRAFT AND PARTICULARLY JETS.
AND THE TREND IS TOWARDS LARGER AND MORE CAPABLE AIRCRAFT, WHICH ARE ALSO QUIETER JET AIRCRAFT.
SO I DO, I DO THINK WE WILL HAVE AN INCREASE OF OPERATIONS.
UH, I THINK PROBABLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PANDEMIC CLEARLY INTERRUPTED OUR OPEN OPERATION THIS YEAR, NEARLY SHUT US DOWN IN APRIL.
UM, BUT THE TREND OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS HAS, HAS BEEN ONE OF FAIRLY SLOW, BUT STEADY GROWTH.
AND I THINK IN GOOD ECONOMIC TIMES, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE.
UH, WHAT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO PREDICT FOR ME ANYWAY, UH, IS, UH, THINGS LIKE RECESSIONS AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON, ON AIRPORT OPERATIONS OR, YOU KNOW, CHANGES IN TECHNOLOGY CAN HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS.
BUT, UH, IF I WAS PUTTING TO GUESTS, I WOULD SAY, YES, WE'RE GOING TO SEE IT FAIRLY STEADY GROWTH IN OPERATIONS.
AND MOST OF THAT WILL BE IN CERTAIN AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS, PARTICULARLY IN THE INSTRUMENT OPERATIONS REALLY THAT'S THE BREAD AND BUTTER FOR THE FTOS, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE MAKING ALL THEIR REVENUE.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'LL SEE.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT'S KIND OF THROWING ME OFF A LITTLE BIT ON THIS, UH, THIS INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO COUNCIL IS THAT THE GROWTH IN VFR OPERATIONS OVER THE LAST, UH, FOUR YEARS, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S SURPRISING IN A GOOD WAY, BUT, UH, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE GROWING LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT'S PRIMARILY PILOT TRAINING AND THERE HAS BEEN AN ONGOING PILOT SHORTAGE.
UH, AND, UH, WE HAVE AMERICAN FLYERS.
WE HAVE ATP, WE HAVE THRUST, UH, AND WE HAVE MONARCHS THAT ARE ALL DOING, UH, FLIGHT TRAINING OPERATIONS.
AND THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF OUR TRAFFIC.
AND IN FACT, UH, WHEN MOST EVERYTHING ELSE WAS, UH, EITHER SHUTTING DOWN OR SLOWING DOWN IN A PANDEMIC IN APRIL, UH, THE FLIGHT TRAINING CONTINUED UNABATED AND PERHAPS EVEN BREW
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I'M TAKING NOTES BECAUSE THE MICROPHONE CANNOT OF PLAY, PUT IT TOGETHER WITH THE SPEAKER.A QUESTION ON THIS ITEM, MARY, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION I DON'T MEAN TO LINGER HERE.
THIS QUESTION IS FOR WES AND POSSIBLY PHYLLIS, CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A UNDERSTANDING ON THESE CONTOURS, HOW SPECIFIC THE LOCATION IS, FOR INSTANCE, FOR A GPS LOCATION WE'LL WE'LL WE WILL THE DEVELOPERS FOR THE TOD HALF TO KEEP A BUILDING COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF THIS.
UM, OR IS IT GOING TO BE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY STAY 15 FEET AWAY, 20 FEET OR SO THAT THEY DON'T GET PAIN AND GOT THAT'S IT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AS LONG AS IT'S AS IS, AS IS A BUILDING THAT IS A COMPATIBLE LAND USE, THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO BE BUILT INSIDE OF THE NOISE CONTOURS IF IT'S AN INCOMPATIBLE LAND USE AND WE ARE GOING TO KEEP IT OUT OF THE APPROPRIATE NOISE CONTOURS.
SO IT, DOESN'T ONLY A PORTION OF THAT BUILDING IS IN THERE.
IT CAN'T BE IN ALL IN THERE, EVEN IF IT'S THE GARAGE OF PORTION OF A RESIDENTIAL LOCATION.
YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE PARKING ITSELF, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I DON'T, I MEAN, AND EVERYONE WANTS TO USE THE MAXIMIZE THE RIGHT PERCENTAGE.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND FOR THE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING UP.
SO PHYLLIS, WHEN WE ZONE A PROPERTY, I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY LINE AS FAR AS WHERE THAT LAND YOU SIT IT'S CORRECT.
NO, THE VERY WESTERN PART OF THE VERY WESTERN PART OF THE PROPERTY, UH, IS WITHIN THE 65 DECIMAL, UH, CONTOUR LINE.
UH, WE WOULD NEED TO KEEP RESIDENTIAL USES OUT OF THAT.
UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT IMPACTS LIKE A PARKING GARAGE TO NOT SERVE A RESIDENTIAL USE.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO, BUT AS WE PUT OUT THE RFP OR TO SOLICIT DEVELOPERS, THEY WILL BE MADE AWARE OF, OF THE CONTOURS AND THE RESTRICTIONS THAT PLACES, I MEAN, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, BUT DOES I'M REALLY GOOD AT GQ QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE ALLOWING PHYLLIS? I KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A VERY INTUITIVE QUESTION THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, AND, AND THE PEOPLE WE'RE GOING TO PARTNER WITH NATIONAL DEVELOPERS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT FINE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING COMPONENT OF SOME RESIDENTIAL BUILDING IS CERTAINLY FINE TO BE WITHIN THAT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AT SOME MAGICAL LINE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME LONGITUDE IS MAGNITUDE LINE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE CAN LIVE ON ONE FOOT AWAY, BUT YOU CAN'T ONE FOR THIS LIFE.
I MEAN, I, I THINK IT NEEDS TO COME DOWN TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT YOU AGREE WITH THAT WES OR, I MEAN, IS THAT YEAH.
AND I, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT PHYLLIS IS SAYING AS WELL, BUT I THINK WHAT'S UNCLEAR IS HOW DO YOU DELINEATE THAT? RIGHT? AND SO IF IT'S, IF FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'VE GOT ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE AND YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT MULTIPLE USES ON THERE, DOES THAT SPOIL THE SOUP SO TO SPEAK, OR DO YOU HAVE TO PLAN IT SO THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT'S INSIDE OF THE, UH, THE NOISE CONTOUR IS THIS SPECIFIC LAND USE, WHICH IS COMPATIBLE.
AND THEN ACROSS THAT PROPERTY LINE, JUST OUTSIDE OF THE LAND USE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, THAT IS, THAT IS NOT COMPATIBLE, BUT IS ALLOWED BECAUSE IT'S TECHNICALLY OUTSIDE OF WHATEVER NOISE CONTOUR.
SO I WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT.
UH, BUT IT REQUIRES SOME MORE RESEARCH, I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION, RIGHT? SAY ANYTHING THAT,
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WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, OUT, IT'S JUST RIGHT.I'LL SET THAT FOR THE SOMETHING ELSE FACILITY I MENTIONED TO YOU OVER THE OTHER SIDE.
I MEAN, YOU ALSO, YOU ALSO HAVE THE, THE BLACK LINES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S HYDROLYZED TOO.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A THREE-DIMENSIONAL THING THERE.
SO, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT ANYTHING LIKE PARKING RAJ IS, WOULD, IS A COMPATIBLE USE OFFICE, YOU KNOW, IT JUST IT'S.
I THINK PARTLY IT WOULD BE FINE, BUT IF IT'S, IF THAT AREA IS TECHNICALLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL, FOR EXAMPLE, OR WHATEVER, AND IT MUDDIES THE WATER.
SO I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO, YES, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO, I MEAN, YOU STILL HAVE TO RESOLVE THAT GOOD QUESTION.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS WE CAN CLOSE THIS ITEM, TAKE CARE, JOEL, WHAT DID WE GIVE THEM THE DIRECTION THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR? I THINK SO.
SO W I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY DIRECTION.
I THINK WE JUST HAD A CONVERSATION RECOMMENDATION.
I SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION TO TOO.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, WHAT HE DID, YOU KNOW, TAKE A GEORGE'S RECOMMENDATION AGAIN, WHEN WE DO THAT IN 20, 25 OR 26, WE DO THAT ALONG WITH EDISON AIRPORT MASTER PLAN.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DUPLICATE ALL THE DATA AND MONEY WE SAY WE'LL USE ON TAXIWAY BRAVO.
WHAT I HAVE HEARD NOW IS THAT IT'S AT LEAST THE CONSENSUS OF THE GROUP HERE TO WAIT AND COMBINE THE LAND USE, EXCUSE ME, THE MASTER PLAN AND THE NOISE CONTOUR SCHEDULE TOGETHER,
[3. Present and Discuss Regulations for Political Signs. ]
PRESENT DISCUSS REGULATIONS OR FOR SCIENCE.I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THE ITEMS. WELL, THEY'RE GETTING SET UP.
THEY WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT ENFORCEMENTS OF POLITICAL SCIENCE DURING THE MOST RECENT ELECTIONS.
AND IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS AN INAPPROPRIATE TIME GIVEN THE UPCOMING CYCLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT OUR REGULATIONS ARE AND MAKE SURE THAT ONE IS THE REGULATIONS THAT COUNCIL WANTS.
AND SECONDLY, IF THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT ENFORCEMENT AND THERE'S AGREEMENT ON HOW THAT WILL PROCEED.
SO IT'S WITH THAT, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY CHANGES WILL COME OUT OF THIS TONIGHT, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO CONFIRM AND BE SURE THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT ANY CLARITY ON THIS AS WE ENTER THE NEW CYCLE.
YEAH, NO, I WOULD, I WOULD CONFER WITH EVERYTHING YOU'D SAY, AND I WOULD ADD THAT AND I HOPE THAT WHAT COMES, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS AMONG THE ITEMS YOU'VE MENTIONED WAS, UH, UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, AN ORDINANCE OR LAW THAT'S CONSISTENT, UM, FOR US THAT WE CAN APPLY BOTH LOCALLY AND WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, NATIONAL ELECTIONS, ALSO, THAT'S ALL THAT HAPPENED AT PHYLLIS.
I DID WANT TO PROVIDE TO THAT RECAP OF BUTTER, WHICH CURRENT ORDINANCES ARE OR POLITICAL SCIENCE, AND THEN ALSO KIND OF SKI CHALLENGES.
AND WE ACTUALLY RAN INTO, IN TERMS OF
IF THAT WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THE TOWN'S PROPERTIES, PUBLIC PROPERTIES THAT WERE USED AS POLLING PLACES, CERTAINLY PROPERTY OWNERS ARE ALLOWED TO PUT UP POLITICAL SIGNS.
SOME MEN ARE SIZE LIMITS AND PLACEMENT IN CHEMISTS.
WELL, IN TERMS OF POLLING PLACES, WE CAN ONLY REGULATE IN A TOWN OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE USED AS POLLING PLACES.
SO WE SAW A LOT OF SIGNS OUT IN THE LOOSE ADM SIDE, SINCE THE DISB ON PROPERTY.
WE COULDN'T REGULATE ANYTHING ON THAT SIDE, OTHER THAN KEEPING SIGNS OUT OF THE LIGHT.
AND THIS IS KIND OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE FIRST COUPLE OF DAYS OF EARLY VOTING.
UM, AND SOME CHALLENGES THAT WE RAN INTO WITH ENFORCEMENT, UM, WERE INDIVIDUAL CAMPAIGNS AND VOLUNTEERS.
THEY JUST GO PUT SIGNS OUT AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT A CITY'S REGULATIONS
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ARE.THE REGULATIONS ARE DIFFERENT FROM CITY TO CITY.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST DOING WHAT THEY'RE TOLD US, GO PUT OUT 10 SIGNS, THIS PLACE, AND 10 SIGNS IT AT ANOTHER PLACE.
UM, AND AFTER THE SIGNS ARE IN PLACE, IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET CAMPAIGNS TO REMOVE THE YOUNG.
I THINK THERE'S A CERTAIN RELUCTANCE TO ON THE TOWN'S PARK TO GO OUT AND START REMOVING SOMEONE'S POLITICAL SIGNS.
AND NO ONE WANTS TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE ONE ON TWITTER THAT'S OUT, YOU KNOW, SEEING THAT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE RAN INTO.
WE DID IN TERMS OF PRIME GROUP FORCE, UH, AT, OR THE EARLY VOTING LOCATION.
UH, WE STARTED OUT CONTACTING THE TWO MAJOR POLITICAL PARTIES AND SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE REGULATIONS CAME, YOU COMPLY BY, UH, HAVING YOUR SIGNS REMOVED, UH, AND COMBINED WITH THESE.
UM, WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF TRACTION THERE.
ONE PARTY WAS MORE COOPERATIVE THAN ANOTHER ONE.
UM, SO OUR NEXT STEP WAS TO START CONTACTING INDIVIDUAL CAMPAIGNS.
AND THIS IS NOT AN EASY PROPOSITION.
THERE WERE ABOUT 20 DIFFERENT CANDIDATES AND WE CONTACTED EACH ONE OF THOSE EITHER THROUGH EMAIL OR THROUGH THEIR WEBSITES OR FACEBOOK PAGES.
UH, AND OUR FIRST ATTEMPT WAS SOCIETY.
WE DON'T ALLOW SIGNS IN THE ROCKAWAYS, SO WILL YOU PLEASE GO MOVE YOUR SIGNS OUT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY? OUR NEXT LEVEL OF ENFORCEMENT WAS THE TOWN IS GOING TO GO MOVE YOUR SIGNS OUT OF THE ROD.
AND BOY, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE IT A GOOD, MAKE YOU AWARE OF THIS, UH, GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE IN AND STAY AT.
UH, WE ENDED UP ULTIMATELY GOING AND PHYSICALLY MOVING SIGNS OUT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY BACK BEHIND THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, AT, FOR EARLY VOTING.
SO WHEN WE, IT CAME TO, UH, THE ELECTION DAY, UH, WE WANTED TO BE BETTER PREPARED IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO DESIGNATE THE AREA WHERE SIGNS COULD BE LOCATED.
AND, UH, SO WE DECIDED TO ADD TO THE SIGN CLUTTER, UH, PUTTING YOUR OWN SIGNS OUT AND THE HOLY PLACES, UH, THAT ESSENTIALLY THAT'S THIS, THIS IS A TEXT THAT WE USED.
UM, AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE VERY EFFECTIVE.
WE STILL ENDED UP WITH SIGNS BEING PLACED IN RODWAY MULTIPLE SIGNS OUTSIDE OF THE DESIGNATED AREAS THAT WE COULD SPRAY PAINTED ON THE GRASS.
UH, SO, UH, THOSE WERE, UH, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES, UH, WHEN WE WENT TO COLLECT OUR EIGHT SIGNS, WE INVITE, WE ONLY GOT TWO OF THEM BACK.
SO, BUT THAT, THAT, UH, PRETTY MUCH AS IS OUR ATTEMPTS AT ENFORCING THE REGULATIONS, THERE WERE CHALLENGES WITH DOING IT.
SO I THINK THESE ARE SOME OF THE ORDINANCE PROVISIONS THAT, UH, MARTIN WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.
SPEND A FEW MINUTES THINKING ABOUT TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE ELECTION CODE ALLOWS CITIES TO REGULATE WHAT THEY CALL ELECTION HEARING, WHICH INCLUDES PLACEMENT OF POLITICAL SIGNS.
UH, SO YOU CAN PUT LIMITS, UH, OWN POLITICAL SIGNS SUCH AS LISTED ON THIS.
AND WE HAVE SOME OF THESE IN PLACE, I THINK FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, IT'S THE ENFORCEMENT, AND THIS IS A CHALLENGE LET'S FOR A SECOND.
CAN WE JUST TALK ABOUT EACH ONE, THIS PARTICULAR PICTURE? AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK I'M SEEING IS WE'VE GOT A LAW THAT SAYS ONLY TWO POLITICAL SIDES, RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY THERE'S MORE THAN TWO.
UM, YOU CAN'T PUT THEM ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, RIGHT? UH, YOU CAN PUT THEM ON PUBLIC PROPERTY USES AS POLLING PLACES, BUT OUTSIDE OF THE ROADS IN THE DESIGNATED AREA, THAT'S NOT THE DESIGNATED AREA.
AND, AND CAN YOU PUT THEM INSIDE A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THE POLLING PLACE, FROM THE BOOK, OR YOU HAVE TO BE OUTSIDE? I BELIEVE IT'S A HUNDRED FEET.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S OUTSIDE OF A HUNDRED FEET EITHER.
SO THAT WAS IN MY OPINION, PRETTY, PRETTY EGREGIOUS.
I BELIEVE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
THAT A HUNDRED FEET RULE IS ACTUALLY A STATE RULE.
IT'S NOT REGULATED BY THE CITY.
IT'S ACTUALLY, IF THERE WAS A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE A HUNDRED BREAKING THAT YOU REACH OUT TO THE ELECTION ELECTION, JUDGE, I BELIEVE MAKE THE COMPLAINT, THEN THEY'D HAVE TO TAKE ACTION.
BECAUSE THREE MONTHS, UM, OKAY.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.
I MEAN, EQUALLY YOU CAN'T TELL WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THAT THREAT BY THE LIBERTY BOAT.
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USUALLY THERE'S A SIGN OF PLACE AT ALL POLLING PLACES THAT ARE CATES THAT ELECTION DISTANCE, A LITTLE SIDE NOTE, NO ACTIVITIES PAST THIS.SO LET'S, CAN WE, CAN WE TALK THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE I'M INTERESTED IN, WHAT ARE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE ACTIONS THAT A CITY CAN TAKE? SO COULD OUR ORDINANCE DISTINGUISH LOCAL VERSUS STATE NATIONAL? NO.
SO THE ELECTION CODE, UH, ADDRESSES BALLOT MEASURES AND CANDIDATES.
IT DOESN'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN LOCAL AND NATIONAL.
SO WITH REGARD TO NATIONAL CANDIDATES, UM, WE, WE CANNOT PROHIBIT, UM, CAMPAIGN SIGNS AT THE POLLING PLACE.
UH, BUT WE, THE STATUTE SAYS THAT WE CAN, UM, IMPLEMENT REASONABLE RESTRICTIONS REGARDING THE PLACEMENT OF CAMPAIGN OR ELECTIONARY SIGNS.
SO WE NEED TO BE COMFORTABLE THAT WHATEVER WE PUT IN PLACE AS AN ORDINANCE IS GOING TO APPLY TO EVERY ELECTION HELD WITH REGARD TO POLLING PLACE, WITH REGARD TO POLLING PLACES.
AND THEN SECONDLY, AND THE NUMBER OF SIGNS, I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S FLEXIBLE FOR THE CITY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
THAT'S DESIGNATED BY THE STATUTE SPEAKS TO WHEN WE MUST ALLOW IT.
IT DOESN'T SPEAK TO WHEN WE MAY ALLOW IT.
AND WE ADHERE TO THE MUST BEING, THEY ALLOW THEM, UH, FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME THAN THE STATUTE SAYS, IS THAT THEN THE STATUTE MANDATES.
AND OUR ORDINANCE SAYS DURING THE TIME THAT THE, UH, THE, UH, PLACE THAT YOU USE FOR POLLING, THEN THAT'S WHEN THE SIGNS CAN BE THERE.
UM, I HAD PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION ABOUT SOME OTHER CITIES REGULATIONS, AND YOU WOULD SEE SOBRIETY TWO DAYS IN ADVANCE, 24 HOURS AFTER THE POLLS CLOSE.
SO THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF ESTABLISHING TIME LIMITS.
THEY'RE ALL PRETTY CLOSE TO OUR, YES.
JUST TO REMEMBER THAT THIS WAS A SPECIAL YEAR, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE EARLY VOTING PERIOD WAS EXTENDED, WHICH IS TYPICALLY NOT SOMETHING THAT OCCURS.
UH, SO JUST, WELL, AND ALL OF THE MED CANDIDATES WERE MOVED TO KNOW THEM.
SO IT WAS A PERFECT STORM FOR A LECTIONARY ON SIZE LIMITATIONS.
THERE AREN'T ANY, ARE THERE IN TERMS OF WHAT IS AT THE END, THE DESIGNATED AREA? YES.
CURRENTLY OUR ORBIT SAYS SCIENCE PLACES ARE LIMITED TO THREE SQUARE FEET.
I MEAN, IN TERMS OF OUTSIDE LIMITATIONS FROM THE STATE OR OTHER LEGISLATION, NOT OUR ORDINANCE, BUT WHAT'S OUR FREEDOM IN TERMS OF PASSING AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO SEX? WELL, THE STATUTE SPEAKS TO 30, UM, 36 SQUARE FEET AND NOT EXCEEDING EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT.
BUT WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO WHATEVER.
I THINK THAT'S, UH, A GREAT QUESTION.
UH, IF THE STATE INTENDS TO PREEMPT HOME RULE CITIES, THEY HAVE TO DO IT, UM, WITH UNMISTAKABLE CLARITY.
THERE'S NOT PREEMPTION LANGUAGE IN THE STATUTE.
SO I THINK THAT'S AN OPEN QUESTION.
THE STATUTE SPEAKS TO POLITICAL MESSAGING SIGNS.
AND SO THEORETICALLY SOMEONE COULD HAVE A 36 SQUARE FOOT SIGN ON THEIR SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY.
UM, I THINK IT'S LESS CLEAR AS TO WHAT YOU CAN DO IN TERMS OF PUBLIC PLACES AND A CITY'S ABILITY TO REGULATE SIDES.
AND AGAIN, AS WE'VE FOUND FROM LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES ORDINANCES, SOME OF THEM, RIGHT, HE LIKED SIZE OTHERS JUST DEFAULT TO THIS 36 SQUARE FEET.
UM, I'M, BY THE WAY, NOT ARGUING FOR CHANGE, JUST GOING THROUGH EACH OF THESE SAYING WHAT, WHAT APPLIES AND ON THE LIMIT LIMITATION TO DESIGNATED AREAS ON LIKE A CITY IS FREE TO DO THAT AGAIN AT POLLING PLACES.
IT'S JUST DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE.
I'M GOING TO ASK ABOUT ONE MORE BECAUSE I'VE HAD TWO DIFFERENT RESIDENTS ASK ME ABOUT SOMETHING RELATED GIVEN THAT THIS TOPIC WAS COMING UP AND THAT IS, ARE THERE ANY LIMITS ON WHAT PEOPLE CAN PUT ON A SIGN IN POLITICAL SIDE? NO.
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THE SUPREME COURT HAS BEEN PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF AN INDIVIDUAL RESIDENT TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS IDEOLOGICAL BELIEFS.AND, UM, UH, THE FIRST AMENDMENT, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF THE COURT HAS SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, FLAG BURNING IS A FIRST AMENDMENT EXPRESSION, WOMEN NOT AGREE WITH THAT, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A FIRST AMENDMENT, IT MEANS THAT PEOPLE CAN SAY THINGS.
THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I GOT ON THIS, I'M SURE IT'S BECAUSE COUNCILMAN MELISSA, MY NAME OR LISTED AS HAVING PUT, REQUESTED TO BE ON THE AGENDA WAS COULD SIGNS BE BANNED GOING PLACES.
AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THE Q AND A THAT WE RECEIVED.
THE ANSWER IS, YOU KNOW, SCIENCE MUST BE ALLOWED.
SO OUR QUESTION IS WHAT ARE THE ORDINANCE PREVISIONS, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS ON SIDE TWO AT THE BOTTOM OF SLIDE TWO, IT SAYS, OR CURRENT REGULATIONS, IT SAYS THERE'S BULLET POINT, NO TIME LIMITS REPLACEMENT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND I GUESS WITH THAT IN MIND, MY QUESTION IS, COULD WE, COULD WE HAVE SOME FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY? UH, I'M GONNA SAY I HIGHLY DOUBT IT AGAIN, THAT, UH, THE SUPREME COURT IN THE LEGIT CITY OF LEDOUX IT, A CITY OF MISSOURI, UH, RULED THAT A CITY COULD NOT PROHIBIT RESIDENTS FROM EXERCISING THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT, RIGHT.
AND THAT, UM, THAT PARTICULAR SIGN SAID SOMETHING LIKE PEACE IN THE GULF.
AND THAT WAS DURING THE GULF WAR.
AND THE COURT SAID THAT AGAIN, IT'S A PREEMINENT RIGHT.
OF A RESIDENT TO SPEAK IDEOLOGICAL MESSAGES.
AND THERE WAS NO, NO APPROPRIATE ALTERNATIVE, LIKE LEAFLETS OR DOOR HANGERS OR, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND, AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT.
I WAS THINKING, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT PROBLEM IN ADDISON ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, BUT, UH, MY MIND THINKS OF, OF, I THINK A THREE FOOT BY THREE FOOT SIGN.
I THINK THAT'S STILL UP, UH, ON, YOU KNOW, BELTLINE AND THE TOLL WAY POSSIBLY, OR AT LEAST IT WAS THAT.
AND SO, SO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT LET'S SAY THAT'S COMMERCIAL, PRIVATE PROPERTY, SHOULD WE, COULD WE, UH, HAVE SOME TYPE OF LIMITS IN PLACE? UM, LIKE A MONTH AFTER THE ELECTION? I DON'T KNOW SOMETHING SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE SIGNS UP FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS ON HAND.
LET ME JUST, WE CAN CALL THAT CAMPING.
WE CAN CALL THAT CAMPAIGN AND PASS THEM MULTIPLE TIMES.
WE HAVE, YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, IF WE HAD IT, WE CAN OPEN IT.
UM, CHAPTER TWO 59, WHICH TALKS TO POLITICAL MESSAGING, DOESN'T HAVE THE ELECTION CODE.
WE DON'T, IS IT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OR IS IT ALL PRIVATE PRINCIPLE? OKAY.
UM, THEN I THINK TWO 59, DOESN'T SPEAK TO THAT AGAIN.
UH, IT'S A BALLOT MEASURE OR WAS IT A CANDIDATE? OKAY.
WE CAN REQUIRE THAT, THAT BE, WE TALK ABOUT
SO POLITICAL ADVERTISING RELATED TO A BALLOT MEASURE IS, UH, DIFFERENT FROM POLITICAL MESSAGING, IDEOLOGICAL MESSAGING.
UM, I'LL I CAN DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH.
UM, I THINK IF IT'S THE BUSINESS OWNER WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY AND THEY HAVE THAT SIGN, UM, I'D HAVE TO SEE IF IT HAS THE NOTICE ON THE BACK THAT SAYS WHO TO CONTACT AND WE CAN FOLLOW UP IN THAT WAY.
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YEAH.I'M REALLY THINKING ABOUT, SHOULD WE BE CONSIDERING PUTTING SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE TO COVER IT IN OUR, IN, IN AN ORDINANCE EVERY IF WE, IF WE CHANGE IT.
SO WE'VE PRIMARILY BEEN TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AT POLLING PLACES.
I HAVE NOT RESEARCHED NOR DO THE CASES THAT I HAVE READ, SPEAK TO PRIVATE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
I WOULD THINK THERE'S LESS OF A PROTECTED INTEREST, BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH OF A, LESS OF A PROTECTED INTEREST.
WELL, I GUESS MY THOUGHT IS I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER THAT, UM, AFTER YOU, AFTER YOU'VE LOOKED INTO WHAT, WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO, I WOULD BE PERSONALLY, I WOULD LOVE SOMETHING THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, ONE MONTH OR 45 DAYS AFTER, UH, AN ELECTION HAS BEEN COMPLETED, THAT WE NO LONGER ALLOW PLACEMENT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR A BALLOT MEASURE, POLITICAL SCIENCE, COMMERCIAL, PARDON ME, COMMERCIAL.
UM, IS THAT SOMETHING EVERYONE ELSE IS INTERESTED IN AS WELL? I'D BE INTERESTED IN THAT.
IT'S NOT A KEY KEY ITEM THAT I WOULD SUPPORT IT.
SO, SO BRENDA, JUST, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE WE KEEP GOING OVER EVERY SINGLE AD.
WE CAN DO THIS, WE CAN DO THIS.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT YOU DEEM YOU LEGAL AND OUR ORDINANCE? OKAY.
SO WE CAN BE COMFORTABLE THAT EVERYTHING WE HAVE WRITTEN SO FAR IS LEGAL AND ALLOWED BY THE STATE ALLOWED BY FEDERAL LAW ON EVERYBODY.
SO WOULD YOU TELL TO SPREAD? YES.
AND PICKING UP ON THAT, ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD AFTER WE TALKED THROUGH ALL THIS AND THOUGHT ABOUT IT WAS THERE ONLY, THERE ARE ONLY TWO QUESTIONS I HAD.
YOU CAN HAVE TWO SIGNS PER CANDIDATE.
DOES THAT STILL FEEL LIKE A GOOD NUMBER AFTER GOING THROUGH THIS EXERCISE? AND THE SECOND WAS FEEDBACK, MAYBE FROM THE FOLKS THAT REALLY LOOKED AT THE SIGNS THAT WERE OUT AND WHETHER OUR SIZE LIMITS, WHICH I THINK IS THE SMALLEST OF ANY OF THE CITIES THAT WERE COMPARED, OR IS JUST A LITTLE TIGHT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ROOM AT OUR POLLING PLACES, SO THAT ADVOCATING, AND I DO WANT WHATEVER WE, WHATEVER WE PUT IN HERE THAT IN FACT WE DO.
SO MY QUESTION IS THAT MAYBE TWO OR THREE, AND, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A SLIGHT CHANGE IN THE SIZE LIMITS? I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY ELSE COMES TO THAT CONCLUSION.
THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS AFTER READING ALL THIS.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PHOTO, YOU'LL SEE PRETTY MUCH THE TWO TYPICAL SIZES OF CAMPAIGN SIGNS.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE, UH, UNDER THE TREE, THERE'S ONE THAT IT'S A BIT LARGER.
UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT SIZE LIMITS, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU NOT WANT TO ACCOMMODATE AT POLLING PLACES.
MY OPINION ON THE SIZE, I KIND OF LIKED WHERE WE LANDED ON THE SIDES AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE DO HAVE OUR POLLING PLACE ARE SMALL AND WE HAVE VERY LIMITED SPACE.
AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW TWO OR THREE, STEVE SIGNS NOW NOT TWO SIDES WHEN YOU GET, IF THEY GET THOSE BIGGER ONES LIKE THAT, THEN NOBODY CAN SEE ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S MY, BUT THEN WHAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT IS PICTURES OF, UH, THE CONFERENCE CENTER THIS YEAR WHERE PEOPLE VOTED ON ELECTION DAY.
WHAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT IS, UM, UM, FIRE STATION, NUMBER TWO, LIKE OFF OF ADDISON ADDISON ROAD, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE WERE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS FIRE STATION, UH, MAIN FIRE STATION, NUMBER ONE, THAT'S PROBLEMATIC, BUT THAT, THAT DOESN'T SHOW THE BULK OF THE PROBLEMS AT FIRE STATION.
NUMBER ONE, WE'RE NOT EVEN LOOKING AT A PICTURE OF THE CONFERENCE CENTER.
SO IF WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT, WE WOULD SEE A LOT MORE THAN JUST TWO SIGNS.
WE WOULD SEE A BUNCH OF SIGNS.
UH, WE WOULD SEE AT LEAST 80 PER SIDE'S NOT IN THE DESIGNATED AREAS.
WE WOULD SEE, UM, A BUNCH OF SIGNS THAT ARE FOUR BY FOUR FOOT BY FOUR FOOT, OR, YOU KNOW, LARGER THAN OUR, OUR, OUR ORDINANCE LIMITS ARE ALLOWED.
UM, AND THEN YOU GET, YOU KNOW, TIME LIMITS.
BUT, UM, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE GOT SOME, WE DESIGNED SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR LOCAL ELECTIONS.
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UM, AND, BUT IT DOESN'T FOR NATIONAL ELECTIONS IN MY OPINION.UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LOCAL ELECTIONS, THE EMAIL THAT WES WAS KIND ENOUGH TO FORWARD TO YOU ALL, IT'S AN EXAMPLE.
I MEAN, I WAS TRYING MY BEST TO, UH, TO PUT MY, MY YARD SIGN IN THE CORRECT PLACE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY WHEN THAT WAS ALLOWED.
UM, AND I WAS JUST A COUPLE INCHES OFF, BUT I GET AN EMAIL, YOU KNOW, I GET AN EMAIL, IT WAS REALLY ALL SAW IT.
I THINK IT WAS PRETTY KIND EXCHANGE.
I SAID, WHOOPS, YOU KNOW, I'M OUT THERE IN 30 MINUTES OR AN HOUR OR SOMETHING, AND I'VE GOT TO CORRECT IT WELL, THAT, THAT IS PROBABLY GREAT LOCALLY.
AND, UH, BUT NOT NATIONALLY OR STATEWIDE.
AND I WOULD SAY FOR THOSE OF, Y'ALL READ THIS EMAIL, THIS IS THE, THESE ARE THE NICE EMAILS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S OTHER LOCAL ONES AND, AND I GUARANTEE YOU WHERE THEY GET IT AT THIS NOTICE.
AND IT'S REALLY NOT A NICE EXCHANGE BETWEEN THE CANDIDATE AND STAFF.
AND I THINK WE'RE PUTTING UP PUTTING THE TOWN EMPLOYEES IN AN AWKWARD, AWKWARD POSITION WITH OUR CURRENT OR CURRENT ORDINANCE.
I SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT YOU SEE, UH, I THINK LAST NOVEMBER IS AN EXTREME EXAMPLE SINCE THE, UH, MAIN ACTION WAS PUSHED TO THE, UH, NOVEMBER INTERNATIONAL BESIDES THIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
SO, UH, BESIDES TO A MAJOR PARTY OF FIGHTING SO HARD.
SO, BUT I BELIEVE WHEN EVERYTHING CALMED DOWN IN, UM, IN THE FUTURE, THE SITUATION WILL BE BETTER, BUT I WOULD, WOULD HAVE ONE SUGGESTION THOUGH, WITH OTHER CANDIDATES, IF IT'S ON THE BALLOT, I WOULD SUGGEST WE JUST SEND THEM AN EMAIL REMINDER BEFOREHAND, YOU ARE OWN BASED ON THE EDISON ORDINANCE, YOU ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO PUT TWO STREET BY THREE SQUARE FEET SIGNS AT A POLLING PLACE.
YOU KNOW, JUST LET THEM KNOW AHEAD OF TIME.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S BETTER AFTERMATH, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T FOLLOW, HONESTLY, JUST PULL THAT OUT.
W WELL, WE HAVEN'T ADDED, WE PULL THOSE UP, JUST SAY THAT, UM, JUST POINTED IT OUT, BUT ON THE SIDE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO, I UNDERSTAND THIS INACTION NOT MORE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND 30 MINUTES KNOW TO DISCUSS THIS.
I THINK IT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD MAYBE AMEND THIS A LITTLE BIT OR MAKE A FEW MINOR EDITS, COME BACK TO IT ANYMORE.
WELL, THE BIG THING I WANT TO IN GOING THROUGH THIS IS WHATEVER THE COUNCIL AGREES.
IF IT'S TOO SOON, IT'S THREE SQUARE FEET.
SO BE IT BECAUSE THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO RIGHT PERSON, BUT IT'S GIVING STAFF A CLEAR SIGNAL THAT THAT'S THE DIRECTION, IF THERE'S NO DEBATE AND WHEN THEY DO IT, NO, IT'S NOT THAT STAFF THAT'S CAUSING THE ISSUE.
IT'S THAT THAT'S THE COUNCIL DIRECTION TO BE.
ANY ONE SUGGESTION, ONE QUESTION AND EVERYBODY HAVE A CONSENSUS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT OUR ORDINANCES VERSUS OUR COMPETITORS, SINCE WE ONLY ALLOW TWOS, TWO SIGNS PER CANDIDATE, WE ALSO ONLY ALLOW THAT IN A SMALL LITTLE DESIGNATED DESIGNATED AREAS, UM, ALL THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE ON THIS, UH, INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED HAVE NO LIMIT EXCEPT FOR THE COLONY THAT THEY ALLOW THREE PER CANDIDATE.
THE OTHER THING IS SIZE LIMITS.
YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE GOT, UH, WHAT DO WE HAVE? SIX, SIX SQUARE FEET.
FARMER'S BRANCH AND BRISCOE HAVE 36 SQUARE FEET.
UM, RICHARDSON HAS 36 SQUARE FEET.
WE WERE JUST AT A POLLING PLACE.
THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, SINCE, UH, I REMEMBER THE, UH, WELL ACTUALLY JUDGED IS IN LIVING.
AND HE CLEARLY SAID, YOU KNOW, ENRICH US AND THEY DON'T WANT TO ALLOW ANYTHING.
UM, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR SQUARE FEET, I BELIEVE IT, THREE OR FOUR.
SO HE SAW SOME BIGGEST SIGN ON YOUR PLACE.
YOU SAY SQUARE FEET IS IMPORTANT PLACE.
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SO ASSUMING YOU'RE CORRECT, YOU STILL HAVE THE OTHER HALF OF THE ONES ON THE LIST ALLOW FOR MUCH, MUCH LARGER, LARGER SPACE.
SO I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IS WHEN WE MADE, WHEN WE CREATED THIS, I FIRMLY BELIEVE WE WERE THINKING ABOUT JUST LOCAL.
UM, AND WE WEREN'T THINKING ABOUT STATE OR NATIONAL.
AND, UM, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M HOPING WE DO IS IS WE, WE AMEND THIS OR EDIT THIS TO, YOU KNOW, TO COVER STATE AND NATIONAL OR FOR NOT, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE HAVE A LAW THAT WE CAN, WE CAN PROVISION.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF HAVE THIS ORDINANCE, I MEAN, WE CAN'T LET THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BREAKING IT AND GET AWAY WITH IT.
AND THEN THE POOR ONES WHO HAVE JUST ONLY PUT TWO SIGNS IN A LITTLE AREA WITH A BUNCH OF OTHER SIGNS.
UM, I MEAN, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT QUITE FAIR UNDERSTAND, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE A 10 SIDE AND DO A WING.
I ONLY HAVE FOUR SIDES OR TWO SIDES I WILL LOSE.
RIGHT? SO CONFIDENCE, IF YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE, THEY KNOW WHO THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR.
I JUST SAW ALL THE SIGNS IN THE POLLING PLACE DOESN'T MEAN MUCH.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF THE SIZE IS OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, EACH PRIVATE PROPERTY PROBABLY MEANS MORE, RIGHT? SO, BUT AT A POLLING PLACE THAT REALLY DOESN'T MEAN UNCOMFORTABLE WITH A RELATIVELY SMALL SIZE BECAUSE IT'S TOM COUNSELING GROUNDS POINTING OUT THEORIES ARE VERY SMALL.
THEY JUST ARE OUR AREAS THEY'RE SMALL.
AND I REALLY AGREE WITH THE ADVANCED COMMUNICATION THAT EVERYONE KNOWS, WHICH IS WHY I THINK THIS DISCUSSION IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
IT'S ANYONE WHO'S DOING SCIENCE VIDEO, UPCOMING ELECTION KNOWS.
IF YOU GO BEYOND THIS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ONE.
AND I, I LIKE WHAT THE MAYOR SAID ABOUT THE PREEMPTIVE EMAIL, BUT I THINK TOO, IT PUTS US IN A POSITION OF LEADERSHIP AMONGST OUR COMPETITOR CITIES, BECAUSE FRANKLY, THE SIGN, THE SIGNAGE IS JUST NAMELY JUNKY LOOKING AND IT'S NOT APPEALING.
IT'S A DISTRACTION TO DRIVERS AND PEDESTRIANS, AND IT DOESN'T SERVE ANY PURPOSE OTHER THAN TO JUST MAKE PEOPLE FEEL KIND OF CRAZY CRAZED.
AND SO I THINK THAT IT'S A POSITION OF LEADERSHIP TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT IT TO TWO.
AND WHEN WE ROLL IT OUT, I THINK OUR COMPETITOR CITIES WILL LOOK TO ADDISON AND SAY, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS A LOT CLEANER.
I THINK THEN I THINK THEY SHOULD FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES THAT THEY DO CURRENTLY THAT THE SENDING OF THE EMAIL AND SAYING, THIS IS THE, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
IF YOU DON'T GO PICK THEM UP AND THEY JUST GO GET HIM.
THIS IS IMPORTANT, BUT ON A SEC, YEAH.
TWO, IF YOU WOULD DO THAT, FOLLOW THE DESIGNATED AREA, PUT IN PLACE.
REMEMBER THIS ORDINANCE WASN'T IN PLACE UNTIL I WOULDN'T SEE NUMBER OF SIGNS, BUT IT IS SIZES.
YOU REMEMBER CHESS, GOLF PEN, WHOLE BUNCH IN BOTH PULLING PLACES.
IF YOU DIDN'T PUT THE SIGNS INSIDE THE PEN, IT JUST POINTED OUT THAT THAT WAS HER RIGHT AWAY AND WHAT WE WOULD DO EMAIL PEOPLE.
AND IF THEY DIDN'T DO IT, THEN YES, THAT WOULD JUST ENFORCE IT.
I'VE GOT AN EMAIL THAT SAYS YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TILL, PLEASE MOVE SIGNS BY 2:00 PM TOMORROW AFTERNOON.
SO BASICALLY 24 HOURS, IF YOU DO NOT DO SO, STAFF WILL REMOVE THEM.
AS LONG AS WE DO THAT STEP, I MEAN, I WANT STAFF, IF, IF THESE ARE THE LAWS WE WANT TO, YOU WANT TO HAVE, I JUST WANT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THEM AND ENFORCE THEM.
SO I, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE SIZE A LITTLE BIT.
WE HAVE UNIQUES SIGN, ORDINANCE TRIBULATIONS FOR EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? FORGET ABOUT WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE DOES.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A HITCH OF, YOU KNOW, WE GO, HOW MANY TIMES WE ASK FOR MERITORIOUS EXCEPTIONS AND
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GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT? WELL, IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO BIG.WELL, YOU KNOW, THE ELLIS WOULD LET IT HAPPEN.
SO LET'S NOT GO DOWN THAT WAY, FEDERAL.
I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE, I AM JUST JESSICA, THE WAY THAT YOU FORCED AND THAT GIVES THEM ON THE BEST NOTE IS REINFORCE IT.
WELL, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, JUST THE LAST THING I'LL SAY ABOUT THIS IS THAT WE DO ENFORCE IT.
WE DON'T GO OUT THERE AND AUTOMATICALLY HIT PEOPLE WITH STICKS SO WE CAN REINFORCE IT IS, IT IS, IS TYPICALLY FIRST IT'S DRIVEN BY COMPLAINTS, RIGHT? SO, AND, AND IT'S, THERE'S A LOT MORE RESPONSIVENESS DURING LOCAL ELECTIONS THAN THE STATE OR NATIONAL ONES WE DO.
LIKE PHYLLIS EXPLAINED, WE DO REACH OUT, WE DO IT MULTIPLE TIMES.
AND THEN IN THE CASE THAT THIS YEAR WE DID MOVE SIGNS FROM THE RIGHT WAY PROPERTY, ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS ABOUT, UM, PRETTY PRETTY, PRE-MEDICAL HOW YOU FIND BY COMMUNICATING, LETTING THEM A NOTE THAT RULES ARE CERTAINLY DO THAT.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT UNDER THE ILLUSION, THAT THE ILLUSION THAT WE STAFF JUST DECIDED NOT TO ENFORCE AN ORDINANCE, WE WERE, WE WERE ENFORCING AN ORDINANCE.
IT WAS JUST DIFFICULT FOR A MYRIAD OF REASONS WHO HAS TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT LIKE THIS PICTURE, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS ON ELECTION DAY, UM, AT OUR CENTRAL FIRE STATION.
AND SO THIS CANDIDATE IS PUT THESE OUT ON ELECTION DAY.
SO, I MEAN, DO YOU SEND THEM AN EMAIL? AND THEN IT'S OKAY FOR HIM TO HAVE THEM OUT THERE ON ELECTION DAY.
BUT, BUT THEN HE JUST PULLS THEM AFTER, AFTER ELECTION DAY.
THAT'S NOT IDEAL RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M VERY, VERY UPSET IF I'M RUNNING AGAINST, WE DO STEVE GUY, I WILL SAY IT IS THE FUNNIEST POLITICAL SCIENTISTS EVEN IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THIS, THIS HAPPENS PROMPTLY.
AND, AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A QUESTION.
UM, IN AT LEAST IN MY MIND, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO MAKE SURE IT HAPPENS PROMPTLY.
AND WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, THIS IS ELECTION DAY.
SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? RIGHT.
SO, WELL, THANKS FOR TALKING ABOUT THIS.
I THINK THE FREE COMMUNICATION, CLARITY CONFIRMATION WITH GOOD SPOT.
UH, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE FIVE MINUTES BREAK IF ALL RIGHT.
[ Consent Agenda All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the City Council and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.]
CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT.DO WE HAVE ANYTHING NEED TO BE PULL YOU'LL G FEEL FOR NUMBER FIVE? ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE? SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR, SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT FROM THE SECOND? SO I HAVE IVAN MADE A MOTION, MODERN SECONDED ALL IN FAVOR.
[5. Consider Action on a Resolution Approving an Agreement Between the Town of Addison and Criado and Associates, Inc. for Professional Engineering Services Related to the Rawhide Creek Drainage Basin - Problem Area No. 7 Drainage Improvements Project and Authorizing the City Manager to Execute the Agreement in an Amount Not to Exceed $343,591.]
UM, MAYOR, UH, THANK YOU.I ASKED FOR THIS ITEM TO BE POLLED, UM, BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION ON IT, I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT WE DID RECEIVE THE RESPONSES.
UH, US DRAINAGE PROJECT IS, UH, IS NEEDED.
OBVIOUSLY I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING SOME RELIEF IN THAT AREA FOR THE RESIDENTS.
UM, WITH THAT IN MIND, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, UH, THE QUESTION ABOUT LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE SHERLOCK DRIVE IN OAKS, NORTH DRAINAGE PROJECTS THAT WE RECENTLY HAD.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO GET THESE FOUR ITEMS AND THERE ARE MORE OF THE, AT LEAST FOUR BULLET POINTS OF THE LESSONS LEARNED, READ INTO THE RENT INTO THE MORNING.
IF YOU GIVE ME THAT ONE SECOND.
THE QUESTION WAS, WHAT ARE THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE SHERLOCK DRIVE AND OCEAN NORTH DRAINAGE PROJECTS, AND HOW WOULD THEY BE APPLIED TO THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION PORTIONS OF THIS PROJECT? THIS PROJECT BEING THE, UH, DESIGN PROJECT RELATED TO THE ROD HEIGHT, RIGHT AROUND HIGH CREEK DRAINAGE BASIN IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, THE FOLLOWING, THIS IS THE RESPONSE.
THE FOLLOWING ARE SOME LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE PROJECTS REFERRED TO ABOVE PAVEMENTS WILL BE INCREASED WHERE
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FEASIBLE TO REPLACE FULL STREET PANELS INSTEAD OF TRENCH WHIP ONLY TO ENSURE THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE ROADWAY.AND TO BE MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING COMMUNICATION TO RESIDENTS WILL BE KEY TO THE SUCCESS OF THE PROJECT.
WE WILL HAVE EXHIBITS AND INFORMATION ON WHAT THEY CAN EXPECT DURING CONSTRUCTION.
WELL, WE'LL WORK CLOSELY WITH PARK, THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT DURING DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION TO ENSURE THAT LANDSCAPING IS AS GOOD OR IN BETTER SHAPE THAN IT WAS PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION.
AND WE WILL UTILIZE THE COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSAL PROCUREMENT OPTION IN LIEU OF A LOW BID PROCUREMENT OPTION THAT WILL PROVIDE THE BENEFIT OF LOW PRICING WITH THE ABILITY TO EVALUATE OTHER PARAMETERS SUCH AS INCLUDING PRICE, BUT ALSO EXPERIENCED PROJECT TEAM AND SUBCONTRACTORS.
THOSE ARE THE BULLET POINTS THAT WERE PROVIDED IN RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED.
UH, AGAIN, THIS, UH, REFLECTS WELL ON THE STAFF.
THEY THEY'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO BE USING SOME LESSONS THAT WE'VE LEARNED ON THE PATH AND FROM THE PAST PROJECTS.
AND, UH, IT SHOWS THAT THEY'RE THERE.
THEY'RE ALL THINGS MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T DROP THE BALL.
SO WITH THAT MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS SUBMITTED MOTION BY
[ Announcements and Acknowledgments Regarding Town and Council Events and Activities Discussion of Meetings / Events]
MAYOR.CAN WE HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS ANNOUNCEMENTS TO MAKE OR OKAY.
YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE, UH, OUR CITY MANAGER I HAVE IS, HAS SOME AWESOME MEANT TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO INVITE WEST PEARSON TO SAY A FEW WORDS.
AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER WILSON, UH, JUST DO ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THIS EVENING FIRST, UH, ABOUT MIDWAY ROAD.
UH, THE MIDWAY ROAD REVITALIZATION PROJECT IS SLATED TO BEGIN LATER THIS MONTH.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'VE COMMUNICATED THAT, UH, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND WE WANT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS THAT PEOPLE CAN GET UPDATES ON THE PROJECT, WHICH WILL BEGIN AT THE INTERSECTION OF MIDWAY AND BELTLINE MIDWAY ROAD AND BELTLINE ROAD.
YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST ON OUR WEBSITE AT WWW DOT ADDISON, TEXAS.NET FORWARD SLASH MIDWAY.
OR YOU CAN TEXT THE WORD MIDWAY TO EIGHT, EIGHT, EIGHT, SEVEN, SEVEN, SEVEN TO REGISTER FOR TEXT UPDATES.
WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S PATIENCE.
AS WE UNDERGO THIS A PRETTY LARGE IMPACTFUL PROJECT.
LIKE I MENTIONED, I ALWAYS DO.
WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS, THIS WILL BE A THREE-YEAR EFFORT AND IT WILL, UH, IT WAS CERTAINLY WILL BE DISRUPTIVE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO, TO, TO MITIGATE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
THE SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT IS RELATED TO COVID-19 VACCINES.
UH, WE KNOW THE RESIDENTS WANT AS MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT THE COVID-19 VACCINE AS POSSIBLE.
UH, WE SHARED LINKS IN LAST FRIDAY'S TOWN NEWSLETTER TO THE DALLAS COUNTY REGISTRATION SITE AND THE TEXAS COVID-19 VACCINE PROVIDER MAP.
YOU CAN FIND THAT INFORMATION ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE AT WWW DOT ADDISON, TEXAS.NET FORWARD SLASH COVID IN DALLAS COUNTY.
AS MANY ARE AWARE, JUST OPEN A VACCINE HUB, UH, YESTERDAY AT FAIR PARK AND IS CURRENTLY PRIORITIZING VACCINES TO HEALTHCARE WORKERS, RESIDENTS OF LONG-TERM HEALTH CARE FACILITIES, PEOPLE OVER 65 YEARS OF AGE, AND THOSE OVER 18 WITH UNDERLYING HEALTH CONDITIONS.
IF YOU HAVE MORE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION OR WOULD LIKE TO REGISTER FOR THAT, UH, FOR, FOR A VACCINE, PLEASE VISIT WWW.DALLASCOUNTY.ORG FORWARD SLASH COVID-19.
AND ANY INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVE THE TOWN RECEIVES, WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO COMMUNICATE THAT THROUGH OUR VARIOUS COMMUNICATIONS CHANNELS, WHETHER THEY'RE, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA OR THE TOWN NEWSLETTER.
UM, ONE OTHER THING IS, UH, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN, UH, SOME CURIOSITY ABOUT WHAT OUR TOWN EMPLOYEES ARE, UH, ARE HOW THEY'RE BEING TREATED.
AND I WANTED TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T SHARE SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE RECEIVING VACCINES EMPLOYEES FOR HIPAA REASONS, BUT, UH, WE HAVE MADE EVERY EFFORT WE CAN TO MAKE, UM, UH, VACCINES AVAILABLE TO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL.
AND I KNOW THAT A NUMBER OF THEM HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT THEY ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT IN ANY PUBLIC SAFETY PERSON WHO WANTS A VACCINE, UH, WILL BE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET IT IF FACE OF JEWS.
SO I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU AND I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS.
CAN YOU DOUBLE CHECK SOMETHING? I THINK THE 16
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AND OLDER FOR THE UNDERLYING HEALTH CONDITIONS INSTEAD SAID 18.I THINK YOU SAID I DID SAY 18, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY DOUBLE CHECK IT.
ALL RIGHT, GREG AND I TOOK A PUBLIC PUBLIC COMMENT.
[9. Hold a Public Hearing, Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on an Ordinance Changing the Zoning on a 5.95 acre Property Located at 4135-4145 Belt Line Road, Which Property is Currently Zoned Local Retail (LR) to a Planned Development (PD) District to Allow Medical Office Use. Case 1819-Z/4135-4145 Belt Line Road ]
WE'LL DO PUBLIC HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTUAL ORDINANCE.10 YEARS IS ONLY 5.95 ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 41 35 AND 41 45, WHICH PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY LOCAL RETAIL OR TO A PLAN, A DEVELOPMENT PD DISTRICT TO ALLOW MEDICAL OFFICE USE CASE NUMBER ONE EIGHT ONE NINE Z FOUR.
MINE'S THREE FIVE TWO FOUR ONE FOUR FIVE.
THE ORCA GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
UH, WE'LL GET YOU IN THE MORNING.
IT'S PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.
THIS PROPERTY IS COMPRISED OF TWO LOTS.
BOTH OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, BOTH WOULD DEVELOP, UH, EXISTING DEVELOPER, RETAIL FRONTAGE ALONG BELTLINE ROAD AND VACANT LAND.
UM, IN THE BACK OF OXEN CENTURY AND WAY THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED DIRECTLY ACROSS BELTLINE ROAD, UH, FROM THE ADDISON GROVER ESSENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS RECENTLY APPROACHED BY A POTENTIAL NON-AMBULATORY URGENT CARE TENANTS, BUT SINCE MEDICAL USES ARE NOT CURRENTLY PERMITTED IN THE LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT, THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO A NEW PD, UH, BASED ON, UH, LOCAL RETAIL STANDARDS WITH MODIFIED USES THAT WOULD ALLOW A MEDICAL OFFICE TO USE AS A BRIGHT ALL STAFF BELIEVES THAT ALLOWING MEDICAL AND DENTAL OFFICES IS CONSISTENT WITH THE VISION FOR BELTLINE ROAD.
UM, THE, THE LOCATION WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR A 24 HOUR MEDICAL USES OR SPECIAL MEDICAL CARE.
NO EXTERIOR BUILDING CHANGES ARE CURRENTLY BEING REPLACED.
UH, THE ZONING PROCESS TRIGGERS THE PROPERTY TO BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN ALONG BOTH
UM, THIS IS THE APPLICANT IS MAKING A VERY MINOR REQUESTS TO JUST ADD A USE, UM, TO THE PROPERTY AND IS NOT ACTUALLY PROPOSING ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT AT THIS TIME.
STAFF P AND Z SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO BE ALLOWED TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING VACANT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, UH, ALONG CENTURION WAY WITHOUT SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS, UM, UNTIL FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT.
HOWEVER, THE PROPERTIES EXISTING RETAIL FURNITURE ALONG BELTLINE ROAD, UH, WILL BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN STANDARDS, WHICH ARE, UH, AN EIGHT FOOT, UH, PARKWAY BUFFER, EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK, AND AT LEAST A FOUR FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
UH, SO ALONG THE EASTERN PORTION, THAT'S THERE REALLY JUST ALONG THE WESTERN PORTION, THEY'RE REALLY JUST ADDING ANOTHER TWO FEET TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK, UH, ALONG THE EASTERN PORTION, THEY'RE RELOCATING AND WIDENING THE SIDEWALK AND MAKING A SMOOTHER TRANSITION TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
UH, THE, UH, THE ZONING ALSO, UH, TRIGGERS LANDSCAPE COMPLIANCE, AND THE PLANS HAVE BEEN UPDATED TO SHOW THAT THE PROPERTY WILL BE BOUGHT BROUGHT UP INTO THE, INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE MOST CURRENT LANDSCAPE REGULATIONS.
UH, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS BROUGHT UP DURING THIS PROCESS WAS THAT THE PROPERTY ONLY HAS 304 PARKING SPACES PHYSICALLY ON SITE.
THERE WAS ALSO A CREDIT OF THREE ADDITIONAL SPACES THAT RESULTED, UM, OF AN AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN IN 2015 DURING THE UNDERGROUNDING PROCESS.
UM, BUT, UH, THAT ONLY BRINGS THE PROPERTY UP TO THREE OH SEVEN AND WITH THE CURRENT TENANT MIX INCLUSIVE WITH THE PROPOSED NEW TENANT, THE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE 318 BERNIE'S SPACES.
SO P AND Z DISCUSSED THIS DURING THE HEARING AND INDICATED THAT, UH, CONSIDERING THE FUTURE OF POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT OF THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THE EXISTING PARKING ONSITE IS SUFFICIENT FOR THE TIME BEING.
AND THEN THEY WOULD RATHER THE PROPERTY OWNER PROVIDE THE BASTARD TRANSPORTATION.
THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ON BELTLINE ROAD AT THIS TIME.
SO, UH, STAFF AND BNZ SUPPORT THE REQUESTED REZONING.
UM, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THERE SHALL BE NO SURGICAL MEDICAL USES THAT MEDICAL USAGE WILL BE OPEN AND OPERATIONAL NO LONGER THAN 18 HOURS ON ANY GIVEN DAY.
THE EXISTING PARKING SPACES PHYSICALLY PROVIDED ONSITE ARE THE FULL OCCUPANCY OF THE TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS.
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AND THAT PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A FULL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, A TENANT, THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL MAKE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG BELTLINE ROAD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT.SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THAT LAST BULLET POINT HERE ON THIS, ON THIS SLIDE.
I THINK IT WAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AS FAR AS THE WORDING, AS IT RELATES TO, UM, THE SIDEWALK IS IT, IS IT GETS CLOSER TO THE EAST EAST END, RIGHT.
AND SO, UM, HOW I'M LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE, I CAN'T FIND HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE.
THE WORDING WAS, UM, MORE ALONG THE LINES OF, UH, BRAIN, THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE TO MEET THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN REQUIREMENTS WITHOUT HAVING A SHARP KIND OF TURN TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, EXISTING SIDEWALK.
UH, AND SO WITHOUT WITH, WITH HOW THAT SHOWS UP ON THE PLANS, SEEING THAT THEY DID PROVIDE THAT AS ASKED BY THE COUNTY BY THE COMMISSION, UM, THE PLANS WILL BE ADOPTED AND THAT'S, THAT'LL BE THE GUIDING DOCUMENT.
SO IN THOSE CASES WE DON'T USUALLY ACTUALLY PUT THAT WORDING IN THE REPORT.
SO I WATCHED, I WATCHED THE VIDEO AND, UM, SO I WATCHED THE VIDEO AND HEARD THE EXACT WORDING AND, UM, W WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I WANT TO GIVE A BIG, THANK TO EILEEN RESNICK FOR THAT MOTION AND THE REST OF THE P AND Z.
I THOUGHT THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB ON THIS ITEM.
SO IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, YOU'RE SAYING WHAT WAS ARTICULATED IS IN THE SECOND PLACE.
THAT ANSWERS THAT AND THE OTHER, THE OTHER, UM, OKAY.
AND SO I'M LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE, UM, SECTION TWO, OTHER B A GOES INTO MEDICAL OFFICE IN ONE SPACE PER 200 SQUARE FEET.
IS, IS THERE SOME REASON WE HAVE THAT, OR WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S JUST SLIGHTLY, IT'S THROWING ME OFF VERSUS WHAT WAS APPROVED.
SO THAT IS IN THERE BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING, THE PD WILL BE BASED ON LOCAL RETAIL STANDARDS WITH THE MODIFIED USES.
IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR MEDICAL USE PARKING BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF, PART OF THE EXISTING DISTRICT.
SO WE'RE JUST CAPTURING THAT THIS IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR MEDICAL USE PARKING THAT THE TOWN USES IN GENERAL, AND THAT IT'D BE REFLECTED.
SO I THINK THE FIRST PART YOU SAID IS, UM, I HEARD SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN THE P AND Z ON THE MOTION.
UM, AND WHAT I, WHAT I HEARD IS PRETTY SIMILAR TO B WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE REQUIRED PARKING.
BASICALLY THE QUOTE WAS THE PARK, THE REQUIRED PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE, I'M SURE THE REQUIRED PARKING WOULD BE REDUCED TO ALLOW FOR COMPLETE OCCUPANCY.
UM, THE PARKING TODAY WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.
AND SO THAT WAS THE EXACT WORDING FROM EILEEN ON THE MOTION.
AND I THINK THAT'S ENCAPSULATE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT BASICALLY THE ESSENCE OF, OF THE WORDING BELOW MEDICAL OFFICE, RIGHT? SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, I DUNNO, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THOSE CONFLICT IN MY MIND, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
SO THE ORDINANCE ISN'T ALWAYS DRAFTED IDENTICAL TO WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MIGHT MAKE, BUT THERE IS LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THAT THE EXISTING PARKING IS ADEQUATE TODAY, BUT WHEN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED, WE STILL NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY PARKING SPACES THIS MEDICAL USE REQUIRES BECAUSE IT'S NOT ADDRESSED IN THE UNDERLYING BASE ZONING.
SO WE'RE JUST BRINGING FORWARD THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR A MEDICAL USE INTO THIS ORDINANCE.
SO THAT IT'S CLEAR WHEN THE BACK PART DEVELOPS THAT THERE SHOULD BE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR ALL OF THE USES IN LR.
AND WE HAVE TO ASSIGN THE PARKING SPACES REQUIRED FOR THE MEDICAL USE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S ANY WORD NETS.
SO LET, LET ME EXPAND THIS SHOPPING STRIP DOWN TO RIO, THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT KIND OF BUSINESSES.
SO DIFFERENT BUSINESS, LIKE A RESTAURANT, LIKE A 70 SQUARE FEET FOR PARKING, UH, SOME 100 SQUARE FEET.
SO LATER ON, SO THEY STILL HAVE A SUITE.
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IF IT HASN'T FULLY DEVELOPED OR NEXT VACANT SPOT, THEY APPLY FOR SOUTHERN BUSINESS.THEN THEY DID A WHOLE, OR TAKE A LOOK, THEY ENTIRE POCKET, SEE WHETHER THAT'S ENOUGH OR NOT BASED ON THEIR BASIC REQUIREMENT FOR EACH NATURE OF THE BUSINESS.
BUT IF YOU WATCH THE AND VIDEO IN THE MOTION, UM, IT WAS JUST DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO.
WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, BUT WHAT, WHAT P AND Z, UH, THE MOTION I LEAN, HE MADE A MOTION.
IT WAS BASICALLY SAYING, UM, WELL, I WON'T, THE REQUIRED PARKING WOULD BE REDUCED TO ALLOW FOR COMPLETE OCCUPANCY.
UH, THE PARKING TODAY WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.
THAT'S THOSE ARE THE EXACT WORDS SHE USED.
SO IT WAS WHAT I HEARD THAT THE P AND Z GROUP SAYING IS, UM, WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW IN THIS INSTANCE, THE 300 AND FAR 304 PARKING SPACES, UM, TO BE ACCEPTABLE, UM, FOR THE ENTIRE, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UM, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE NOT GOING TO FORCE THE APPLICANT TO RESTRIPE AND DO ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, BUT BASICALLY THEY WERE, THEY WERE LEAVING ENVIRONMENT THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO AND SAYING FOR RIGHT NOW KISSING UNTIL OTHER DEVELOPMENT COMES HERE'S, HERE'S THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
BUT IF YOU BRING SOMETHING ELSE IN HERE, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL REVIEW THAT.
AND THAT THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS.
SO THEN THIS SECTION TWO, B B MAKES SENSE TO ME, BUT YOU'RE ALSO SENDING, UM, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE MEDICAL OFFICE AND GIVE IT, IT IS INFORMATION BECAUSE A PD BY ITSELF HAS NO RULES.
SO WHAT THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT DOES IS IT ADOPTS THE LR AS THE BASE ZONING.
AND ALL WE'RE DOING IS SAYING, IN ADDITION TO THE LR BASED ZONING MEDICAL OFFICE USES ARE PARKED AT ONE SPACE FOR 200 SQUARE FEET.
HOW DO YOU APPLY THAT TO ALL THE OTHER THINGS DEVELOPMENT, KNOWING THAT P AND Z JUST APPROVED, UM, THE PARKING IS ADEQUATE FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THAT? IT'S A, BOTH AND THEY BOTH CAN BE APPLIED.
SO THE MEDICAL OFFICE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE SPACE FOR 200 AND THEN THE OTHER BUSINESSES WOULD, AS THE OWNER WOULD, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY COULD ADJUST, HOWEVER, WHICH WAY THEY WANTED TO, TO ALLOW OR NOT ALLOW MORE OR LESS PARKING FOR THE OTHER TENANTS.
IS THAT, IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS? OKAY.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I HAD IS, UM, WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AMBULANCE USE OR EMS CARPOOL USE.
KNOWING, KNOWING THAT KNOWING WE'VE GOT ADDISON GROVE ACROSS THE STREET WITH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO LIVE THERE WHEN IT'S COMPLETED.
UM, UH, COULD, COULD WE ADD, UM, A CONDITION THAT, THAT NO AMBULANCE USE, UM, OR EMS LIKE VEHICLE WOULD BE ALLOWED FOR THIS? I DON'T THINK WE CAN BECAUSE IN A DENTAL OFFICE, IF THERE'S A PATIENT THAT HAS SEDATION AND THEY GO INTO CARDIAC ARREST, THEY'RE GOING TO CALL AN AMBULANCE, THE GROCERY STORE AT A GROCERY STORE.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN RESTRICT A MEDICAL OFFICE FROM CALLING AN AMBULANCE IN THE EVENT OF A MEDICAL EMERGENCY.
WHAT I THINK THE POINT IS IS THAT AMBULANCES ARE NOT GOING TO BE DELIVERING TO THIS TENANT WHO'S URGENT CARE CLINIC.
AMBULANCES DON'T DELIVER THERE, BUT THEY MAY HAVE TO CALL AN AMBULANCE FOR SOMEONE WHO COMES IN.
AND THE DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WOULD LOVE TO LEARN MORE WHEN WE SPEAK TOGETHER.
SO I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING AT THIS POINT, I UNDERSTAND NOT DOING SECURITY AND MESS DEVELOPMENT INFRASTRUCTURE BACK THEN.
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TO REDEVELOP THAT IF THEY FALL WITHIN THEIR PD, WILL THEY BE REQUIRED TO DO THAT BY THEY'LL HAVE TO AT LEAST AMEND THE SITE PLAN FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR THAT, THAT THEY WILL HAVE THAT THEY WILL.
THEY HAVE TO ADMIT THE PD BECAUSE I'LL HAVE TO AMEND THE SITE.
SO THAT'LL GIVE US A CHANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
SO LET ME GENTLEMAN DECIDED TO HAVE IT LISTED PUBLIC HEARING.
IF ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE DO SO.
SO IS IT AFRICAN HERE? ARE THEY ON THE LINE? YOU'RE TALKING TO PEOPLE ONLINE.
SO MARLIN, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WOULD HAVE GIVEN THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES FIRST, AND THEN I'VE GOT A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
YOU COULD PAY MASTER PLAN, TEXAS.
UM, YEAH, I GUESS, COULD YOU, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU COULD SHARE AS FAR AS YOUR TENANT BEING AN URGENT CARE, UM, TENANT? WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, AND, AND, UH, IF POSSIBLE, IF YOU COULD SHARE WHO THE TENANT MIGHT BE, WHAT COMPANY, THE PERSPECTIVE TENANTS, UM, SLATED TO BE TEXAS HEALTH, UM, AND IT WILL BE, UM, SHOWED UP AS DOCTOR OFFICE TYPE OPERATION, UM, THE AMBER'S BUSINESS HOURS, UM, WELLNESS CHECKS, SICK VISITS, UM, THERE'LL BE NO, UH, ABILITY TO RECEIVE A MERCURY FOOD PATIENT OR AMBULANCE.
WHAT'S YOUR TIMELINE JUST FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU SEE THIS HAPPENING, THE TIMELINE FOR CONSTRUCTION? YES.
FOR OPENING, I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFICS, BUT, UM, AFTER TONIGHT WE WILL MOVE INTO THE
UM, I WILL ASK THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE, UH, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE MAYBE SIX TO NINE MONTHS, BUT I APOLOGIZE.
I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT AS, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, UM, READY FOR THE TENANT.
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION QUESTIONS.
SO SAYS, NO, YOU PROBABLY WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AGAIN.
I HEREBY CLOSE THE POVERTY HERE.
SO DO I HAVE MOTION? I'LL MOVE APPROVAL.
THAT MOTION IVAN HUGHES FROM
SO ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE.
[10. Hold a Public Hearing, Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on an Ordinance Changing the Zoning on a 5.147 acre Property Located at 4925 Arapaho Road to Amend the Existing Special Use Permit Through Ordinances 097-055 and 002-002 to Allow a Rail Station Use and Amend Development Plans for the Addison Transit Center. Case 1820-Z/DART Transit Station]
HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON ORDINANCE.
CHANGING THE LOANING ON A 5.1478 GROUP OF THE LOCATED AT 49 25 ARAPAHOE TO AMENDED THE EXISTING SPECIAL USE PERMIT THROUGH ORDINANCE ORDINANCES ZERO NINE SEVEN FIVE FIVE AND ZERO ZERO TWO OH ZERO TWO TO ALLOW RAIL STATION IS A MAN DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND SEND TRANSIT CENTER CASE NUMBER Y Z DARK TRANSIT STATION.
YEAH, HONORABLE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
I'M THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER AND, UH, WAS ACTING AS THE INTERIM PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT MANAGER AS WELL.
UH, SO THE ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER WAS COMPLETED IN 1999 ON A 5.147
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ACRE SITE, UH, ON THE CORNER OF ARAPAHOE ROAD AND CORUM DRIVE, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE DART BUS SERVICE.AS THE, AS IN TRANSIT CENTER IS LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING RAIL INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT HAS BEEN DESIGNATED FOR TRANSIT EXPANSION BY DARK.
UM, THE ORIGINAL PLANS INDICATED THE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF A RAIL STATION ON THE SITE.
FOLLOWING AN EXTENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS.
START BROKE GROUND ON THE SILVER LINE RAIL TRANSIT LINE AT THE, AT THE END OF 2019.
THIS WILL CONNECT PASSENGERS FROM DFW AIRPORT ALL THE WAY TO SHILOH THE SHILOH ROAD STATION AND PLAYING OUT WITH THE ADDISON STATION, UH, FIRMLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LINE.
UH, THIS SILVER LINE IS ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETED WITH, UH, BY 2023 WITH THE ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER.
I'D EXPECTED TO SEE NEARLY 2000 RAIL WRITERS PER WEEKDAY.
AND BY 2040, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO BUILD TWO, UH, COVERED RAIL PLATFORMS ADJACENT TO THE RAIL TRACKS THAT WILL BE USED, UH, FOR THE DART SILVERLINE ONE PLATFORM WILL BE LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS AND THE OTHER WILL BE LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS.
THE TRAIN PLATFORMS WILL ALSO BE LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER, ALLOWING PASSENGERS TO USE EXISTING FACILITIES AND EASILY TRANSFERRED TO DARK TO THE DARK BUSES.
THE STATION WILL INCLUDE THE SPECIAL LAGGING PAVERS AND ART AS APPROVED BY THE ADDISON ART AND DESIGN.
AND I'M FOLLOWING ARE DETAILED.
THE DETAILED STANDARDS, WHICH INCLUDE, UM, FENCING WITH A PATTERN OF FIREWORKS PAVING, INCLUDING, UH, CON CONCRETE RAMP ENTRANCES WITH EMBEDDED FIBER OPTIC LIGHTS.
UM, AS WELL AS TOWN PROVIDED BRICK PAVERS WINDSCREENS WILL BE LASER CUTS OF PAINTED BRONZE DEPICTING IMAGES OF AS AN ART AND A MARQUIS AND BRANDING PYLONS WILL HAVE BLUE LIGHTS THAT MATCH THE ADDISON BLUE AND OUR LOGO FOLLOWING, UM, ART, SOME BREAKDOWNS OF THE PAPERS FROM AN AERIAL VIEW.
SO, UM, THE FAR END ARE THE CONCRETE RAMPS A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE WITH THE FIBER OPTIC LIGHTS COMING IN.
THE RED ON THERE IS OUR, THE, UH, THE TOWN PROVIDED PAVERS OUT OF THE GRAY WILL BE A DIAMOND SAW, CUT CONCRETE TO MATCH THE ADDISON DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE SOME ACCENT PAVERS OF, UH, FLAGSTONES AS WELL.
SO THE ADD SOME PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE, A COMMISSION MET, UH, IN A REGULAR SESSION ON DECEMBER 15TH AND VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE, UH, FOR THE RAIL STATION.
UM, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THE ROTATION MUST BE BUILT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY THE ART AND DESIGN COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS THE FEED FROM THE SECURITY CAMERAS SHALL BE AVAILABLE.
IF YOU ADD SOME THE ADDISON POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OR OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES RESPONSIBLE FOR PROTECTING THE PUBLIC, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID INCLUDE THE CONDITION FOR THE VIDEO FEED TO BE DIRECTED DIRECTLY TO THE ADDISON POLICE DEPARTMENT STAFF, INCLUDING IT AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT DEEMED THAT UNFEASIBLE.
UM, SO STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH, UH, THE CONDITIONS, UH, WITH THE SIMULATION TO MAKE THE, THE STATION, UH, WITH, WITH, UH, PARDON ME, UH, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE THAT CONDITION.
UM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, UH, AS WELL.
I WILL SHOW SOME RENDERINGS OF THE, UH, STATION WITH, UH, SOME OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AS WELL.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE PYLONS, UH, AT THE END, THEY WILL HAVE THE, THE BLUE LIGHTS THAT WILL CONFORM WITH ADDISON DESIGN.
THEN, UH, THAT'S A CLOSER VIEW OF THE FIBER OPTIC LIGHTS IN THE CONCRETE RAMP, AS WELL AS THE PAINTERS.
AND HE LOOK CLOSELY TOWARDS THE BACK.
THERE ARE THE FENCES WITH THE EMBEDDED FIREWORK DESIGN.
AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS NOW I'VE GOT, UH, I GUESS ONE QUESTION FOR NOW IS, UM, UH, YOU JUST SHOWED US THE, JUST A COUPLE OF PICTURES FROM THE ADDISON ART DESIGN COMMITTEE, RIGHT.
UM, I SENT IT A COUPLE PICTURES OF THE UP PLUS SHELTER, PART OF THE ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER.
AND, AND I GUESS MY BIG CONCERN IS, UM, THIS WAS BUILT ROUGHLY ALMOST 22 YEARS AGO.
AND, UM, I THINK, I THINK IT LOOKS, I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD, BUT, BUT IT'S PART OF THE WHOLE ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER IT'S LOCATED ON 50, 50 STEPS OR LESS FROM, FROM WHAT
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YOU JUST SHOWED US, THE RAIL, THE RAIL STOP AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH AS MUCH AS WE'VE CONTRIBUTED, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE AT 370 317 PLUS MILLION.WE'VE GOT A RUN RATE OF ABOUT 14 OR 15 MILLION EVERY YEAR.
UM, I WOULD, I SURE WOULD HOPE THAT WHEN THE RAIL STATION IS COMPLETED, THAT IT, IT MATCHES WITH THE NEIGHBORING BUS SHELTER.
THAT'S ALL PART OF WHAT WE CALL ADDISON TRANSIT CENTERS, HAVE THE ADDISON ADDISON NAME ON IT.
SO, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF MY, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY CONCERNS THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WE, UM, DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE DART TO, TO HAVE THOSE HAVE, HAVE THIS, THE SHELTERS, UM, AND, AND ALSO SOME AESTHETIC FOR THE BUILDING.
SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE IT MAX A LITTLE BIT CLOSER WITH, WITH WHAT THEIR DART IS BUILDING AND THE NEXT FEW YEARS, THE OTHER CONCERN, UM, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT CONCERN BROUGHT UP BY, UH, AGAIN BY EILEEN RESNICK IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING VIDEO, UM, OR PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING WAS, IS, UM, HAVING SOME OPTICAL CAMERAS.
I'M JUST GOING TO CALL THEM OPTICAL CAMERAS, SECURITY CAMERAS, IF YOU WILL, THAT THAT CAN BE ACCESSED BY APD.
AND, UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS PART OF THE MOTION, BUT I THINK THE MOTION WAS, WAS TO, UM, HAVE DARK ALLOW APD ACCESS TO THEIR CAMERAS IN.
AND I THINK WE FOUND OUT THAT, UM, MAYBE TECHNICALLY, OR FOR WHATEVER REASONS THAT CAN'T BE DONE.
SO ONE OF THE THOUGHTS I HAD WAS, UM, WOULD, WOULD DART, UM, ALLOW THE TOWN TO, TO INSTALL SOME OPTICAL CAMERAS, UM, THAT APE WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE ACCESS TO IF WE WANTED TO, UM, TO PROVIDE A SAFE, SAFE ENVIRONMENT.
IS IT DARK, HAS A DAUGHTER PLEASE.
SO NO, PROBABLY CITY MANAGER COULD LOOK INTO IT, SEE HOW PEOPLE COLLABORATE THERE.
WE CAN BE TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, SO CONTINUE DARK PLACE.
AND AS I WAS THINKING OF SCENE, THAT COULD BE A REQUIREMENT OR NOT A REQUIREMENT, UH, JUST AN OPTION.
UM, THE TOWN MIGHT WANT TO EXERCISE LATER IF WE CHOSE, IT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION.
IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE IN THE, THE ORDINANCE THAT ZONES, THE LAND USE FOR THE TRANSIT CENTER.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT WOULD, BECAUSE IT'S NOT FEASIBLE IS TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND LET THE STAFF WORK WITH DART TO SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE IN THE FUTURE.
WHEN YOU SAY IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, WHAT, HOW IS IT NOT FEASIBLE? IT'S NOT PART OF THE ZONING.
NO, I THINK WHAT, WHAT WILSON SAID IS THAT HAMEED AND THE CHIEF WORKED TOGETHER WITH DART AND THEY AGREED THAT IT WASN'T THE CAN'T ACCOMPLISH IT WITH, WITH DARKS CAMERAS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT TOWN OF ADDISON INSTALLED A SECURITY CAMERA.
SECURITY IS NOT, I MEAN, WE CAN INCLUDE THIS IF DART AGREES TO IT, DART OWNS THE PROPERTY.
UM, IF THEY, IF THEY DON'T AGREE, IT'LL TAKE SIX, SIX VOTES OF THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE IT.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION FROM A LAND USE STANDPOINT IS THAT THE ORDINANCE BE APPROVED WITHOUT IT.
BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL DESIRES, YOU CAN DIRECT THE STAFF TO WORK TO ACHIEVE IT.
I DON'T THINK DARK'S GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM HAVING CAMERAS TO MAKE A FACILITY MORE SECURE.
I THINK PART OF THE FEASIBILITY QUESTION IS THAT, UM, DARK POLICE WILL CERTAINLY DEFER TO ADDISON POLICE IF ADDISON POLICE WANTS TO DO DARK POLICE JOBS, RIGHT? AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT WE AS A TOWN WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR LESS.
THAT'S INTERESTED IN MAXIMIZING SECURITY THERE, AND PERHAPS IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE EITHER YOU OR THE CHIEF TO SPEAK TO THE, UH, SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE DARK POLICE DEPARTMENT, MADISON POLICE DEPARTMENT AS TWO PRIMARY JURISDICTION.
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UM, AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN INTER JURISDICTIONAL QUESTION TO ME, LIKE THEY DEAL WITH INTER-JURISDICTIONAL QUESTIONS WITH OTHER ENTITIES.AND SO THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO KIND OF EDUCATE THE COUNCIL RELATIVE TO THE RESPONSIBILITIES AND ROLES OF EACH POLICE DEPARTMENT AND MANAGING SECURITY AND INVESTIGATING CRIMES THAT HAPPEN AT THIS FACILITY.
WOULD THAT BE CERTAINLY NOT TONIGHT? I DON'T THINK SO.
WELL, I MEAN, UM, I DON'T KNOW, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, BUT I'M NOT CREATING, TRIED TO CREATE A REAL HIGH BAR HERE.
I'M TRYING TO HAVE THE CHIEF SPEAK TO, TO KIND OF WHAT, DESCRIBE THE RELATIONSHIP AND ALL OF THIS STUFF.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO INTO EXPLICIT DETAIL, BUT JUST TO GIVE US A FLAVOR OF WHAT'S GOING ON, PAUL SPENCER, CHIEF OF POLICE.
SO AGAIN, OVER THE COURSE OF MANY YEARS, I'VE WORKED HERE.
UH, DARREN HAS THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY FOR, FOR ANY STOP ALONG, UH, IN THEIR SERVICE CITIES.
SO THE BUS STOPS THE TRAIN STATIONS, UH, ANY PLACE THAT TRAIN OR BUSES IS DRIVING, RIGHT? SO IF THEY WERE ON, THEY HAVE A, AN OFFICER THAT'S WORKING ON THE TRAINS OR ON THE BUSES, THEY ALL HAVE JURISDICTION.
HOWEVER, THEY DEFER TO US FOR ANY MAJOR CRIMES, NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HAPPENS ON THE TOLLWAY W WITHIN OUR TONGUE.
SO OUR TUNNEL, WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION CONTROL OVER THAT FROM A TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE, EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT IF A CRIME OCCURS LIKE A HOMICIDE HAPPENS INSIDE THAT TUNNEL GOT A BIT OF IT DOESN'T AND WE HAVE TO WORK IT, RIGHT.
SO THE BIGGEST ISSUE, AND I GET UP AND TALK TO MR. PEARSON ABOUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, WE LET IT, THE DARK WILL LET US DO THEIR JOB IF WE, IF WE SIGN UP TO DO IT.
UH, AND MY CONCERN IS, OR WHY W WE DON'T HAVE A DISPATCH CENTER ANY LONGER WITHIN OUR, WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S, IT'S OUTSOURCED THE NORTH TEXAS EMERGENCY VACATION CENTER.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO THEM ON THEIR ABILITY TO, TO RECEIVE FEEDS, YOU KNOW, LIVE BEADS.
WE DON'T MONITOR STUFF ANYMORE, REALLY LIKE IN THE OLD DAYS WHEN WE HAD SUB RUNNING.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS FOR ME, NUMBER ONE, LET DARK DO THEIR JOB AND HAVE THEM POLICE AND RESPOND TO THEIR, THEIR STOPS AND THEIR, THEIR STATIONS.
WE, WE WILL, WE WILL HELP THEM ASSIST THEM ANY WAY WE CAN.
UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING THEIR PART CHEAP.
CAN THEY, SO WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE CAMERAS AND OTHER SORTS OF, UH, SECURITY MEASURES IN PLACE OR THAT THE CONTEMPLATED TO BE IN PLACE, UH, FOR THE FACILITY? DO YOU HAVE ANY FAMILIARITY WITH ANY OF THAT AT ALL? ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WHAT DART STANDARDS FOR ON DIFFERENT, UH, STOPS OR ARE THEY DIFFERENT BY DIFFERENT? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF MONEY? OKAY, THAT'S FINE.
I WAS JUST, YEAH, I JUST PICK ANYWHERE.
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY, IF ANY DOOR POLICE OR PATROL OFFICERS WILL BE PRESENT ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER? I DO NOT REMEMBER.
WE DO HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM DARREN ON THE LINES.
THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THEM.
DO WE HAVE A DOG STEPH HERE? I DON'T THINK IT STARTS STAFF.
I THINK THEY HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT'S REPRESENTATIVE IN THIS ZONING CASE, UNLESS IT'S.
CAN WE GET, WE CAN TALK TO YOU SURE.
UH, MY NAME IS MY NAME IS PAUL
I DIDN'T HEAR A LOT OF
UM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, AND, AND
I THINK THERE IS GOOD COMMUNICATION THAT DOWN THE RIGHT, UH, FROM THE BATHROOM, THE PATIENT, UM, RIGHT NOW THAT TECHNOLOGY IS PROBABLY NOT THERE, UM, THAT, UH, WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE, UM, OR, UH, UH, RAIL STATION, UH, THAT GOOD.
UM, WE, UH, THERE WAS SOME MENTION ABOUT THE IN TRANSIT CENTER.
UH, BERT LOOKED AT ALL THEIR FACILITIES, UH, ON AN ONGOING BASIS AND VERY ISSUES THAT COME UP IN THE STAFF OF THE PMC ON EXISTING TRENDS.
AND I CAN TALK ABOUT, ABOUT THAT, UH, BROUGHT UP ABOUT WHAT THE CANOPIES ARE AND THE DESIGN THAT WE'RE MEETING OUT OF ADDISON, BUT OTHERWISE I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
HEY, CARL, THIS IS MARLIN WILLISON.
YOU MAY, DID YOU HEAR ANY OF THAT CONVERSATION THAT WE JUST HAD?
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WELL, I, I HEARDUM, I WANTED TO, UM, ABOUT THAT, YOU BET, YOU BET.
I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND I GUESS, UM, THE FIRST ONE IS MORE ALONG THE LINE OF, UH, SECURITY.
UM, AND, UM, WHAT I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND IS, IS DOES DARK HAVE ANY PATROL, UH, OFFICERS, POLICE OFFICERS, IF YOU WILL, DARK POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE PRESENT AT THE, AT THE RAIL STATIONS, UM, THEY ARE ON THE LIGHT RAIL STATION.
SO THEY USUALLY ARE CONTROLLED AT THE LIGHT RAIL STATION.
MOST OF THE TIME, IT'S NOT THEY'RE RIDING ON THE TRAIN AND A LITTLE BIT OFF PATROL STATION, BUT ON THE NEXT TRAIN AND THEN BE ANOTHER OFFICER BACK AND FORTH ON THE LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM WORK.
SOME OF THE DOWNTOWN PATIENTS THAT HAVE OFFICES THERE, THERE'S A LOT MORE TRAFFIC.
AND, AND, UM, DO YOU THINK, UH, DARK, UH, CONSIDERING THE, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT ADDISON HAS PAID INTO DARK, UM, DO YOU THINK THAT, UH, DARK WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO, TO, UH, MAKE A STATIC, UH, CHANGES TO THE, TO THE BUS STATION AND SHELTER TO MATCH THE NEW, THE NEW RAIL RAIL STOP? ALL I CAN DO IS MAKE THAT SUGGESTION, THE DARK, UH, THE HONEST, UH, YOU KNOW, EMAIL, YOU KNOW, HOW BETTER FUNCTIONS IS A BOARD OF NUMBER ONE CITY, AND THEN ANOTHER OF, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT YOU, YOU LIVE THAT EVERYDAY.
UM, BUT I WILL, IF YOU GIVE A TAP AND I HEARD THAT BACK IN OUR HOMES AND OTHER PLACES WITH THAT AND, AND HAVE ANY, UM, I HEARD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, BEST BUILDERS IN BED, BUT I COULDN'T GET THEM ALL APOLOGIZED.
UM, THEN I WOULD BRING FORWARD TO DARK AND, UH, WE CAN START THAT DISCUSSION.
SO NOW TWO PHONES, WHY THE SECURITY, WHY AS AESTHETIC, YOU KNOW, UH, MATCH WITH THE EXISTING, UH, BUS STATION.
SO IF YOU CAN MAKE THIS SUGGESTION BACK AND, UH, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT, AND A STAFF WILL FOLLOW UP ON THOSE TWO ITEMS. THE DESIGN OF THE STATION WENT THROUGH THE DESIGN, SO WE'RE GOOD.
BUT THEN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAPERS THAT WERE, THAT WE WERE TOLD, WE HONEST, UH, DARK DIDN'T YOU REALIZE OVER IN THE VOTING ON THAT, THAT AS YOU CAME UP.
SO, UH,
PLEASE DO SO NOBODY ON THE LINE.
SO THERE'S NO WAY IN PUBLIC, WHICH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH A CONDITION THAT ART HAVE THE BUS STATION AND RELATED, UH, BUS STATION SHELTERS MATCH AESTHETICALLY WITH THE FUTURE RAIL STATION AND RELATED, UH, SHELTERS, SUCH THAT THE ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER HAS ONE CONSISTENT LOOK, THAT'S MY MOTION.
SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND WITHOUT THAT PROVISION.
UM, IS IT YOUR OPINION THAT, THAT THE GROUND USE IS NOT APPROPRIATE IN THIS LOCATION? UM, NO.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE UNIFORM LOOK WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS.
THAT IS THE THOUGHT IF I COULD DO THAT, NO UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, YOUR POSITION HERE, BUT THIS IS THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THESE DARK STATIONS WERE STARTED BEING BUILT BACK IN THE MIDDLE EIGHTIES, MID EIGHTIES, AND THEY'VE GOT THIS STYLE, THIS HALF ROUND STYLES, WHAT THEY STARTED WITH BACK THEN.
AND THEY DID THAT UP UNTIL THE MID NINETIES.
THEY'RE NOT ART, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO GO IN AND CHANGE EVERY RAIL STATION I'M RUNNING.
I RAN INTO THIS AND WE TALKED ABOUT GEORGE BUSH SCHOOL IN THAT DEAL, LIKE THE ISD.
THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR A CERTAIN FACILITY.
AND TO BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY IN THEIR SYSTEM, THEY, THEY ALLOW SAY $10 MILLION TO BUILD, BUILD A GRADE SCHOOL.
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SO EVEN THOUGH ADDISON WANTED A NICER SCHOOL, RIGHT, THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T GIVE US ANY MORE MONEY FOR OUR SCHOOL THAN THEY DID FOR ANOTHER SCHOOL IN A DIFFERENT PART OF TOWN.AND WHAT WE ENDED UP HAVING TO DO IS ADDISON NEGOTIATE SOME STUFF WITH THEM, WORK OUT SOME THINGS OR SCHOOLS, NO LOOKS NICE BECAUSE WE TAKE CARE OF THE GROUNDS, RIGHT.
IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT WE GET TO USE THEIR PLAYGROUNDS IF WE DON'T HAVE FOR ADDISON.
SO I THINK, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MORE INCUMBENT ON US WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR MASTER PLAN DEVELOPER.
I REALLY, I REALLY LIKED THE SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE SOME KIND OF A PARKING STRUCTURE THERE, THAT'S THE GUARDS WILLING TO DO THIS TIED IN WITH THEIR GROUND OVER THERE.
AND THAT'S PART OF THIS WHOLE MASTER DEVELOPMENT.
THEN AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, THOSE LITTLE HALF ROUND SHELTERS AND THAT, THAT BUILDING PROBABLY GOES AWAY AND IT'S SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
AND I'M NOT, SO I'VE, SO I'VE GOT ONE THOUGHT AND I'VE GOT A QUESTION IF I, CAN YOU NEED A SECOND TO THE MOTION? UM, OKAY.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION THAT MAY BE HELPFUL TO YOUR POINT? SURE.
UM, IS, IS THE MOTION I MADE THE CONDITION I MADE WITH THAT MOTION IS THAT ALLOWABLE? DID YOU, YOU ASKED A QUESTION, IT KIND OF INFERRED THAT IT WASN'T.
SO, UM, YOU, YOU, YOU PUT DOUBT IN EVERYBODY'S MIND.
SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WHAT I DID WAS ALLOWABLE, OR IF YOU'RE JUST PUTTING DOUBT IN EVERYBODY'S MIND, IT'S NOT MY INTENT TO PUT DOUBT IN EVERYONE'S MIND.
UM, AS, UH, AS A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY OR A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE DART HAS PUBLIC RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO IT.
SO TO S TO PUT IN A MOTION ON TO ZONE THE PROPERTY THAT YOU WANT, UH, AESTHETIC UPGRADES MADE TO OTHER COMPONENTS, IT WAS A BIT UNUSUAL.
I'M TRYING TO RUN THROUGH THAT SCENARIO IN MY MIND.
UM, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT MY INTENTION TO THROW DOUBT ON THE MOTION THAT YOU MADE.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SURE.
WOULD YOU KIND OF MET BRENDA ON IF THIS IS APPROVED AS SUBMITTED TODAY WITHOUT THOSE CHANGES.
AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ISN'T A SECOND YET, BUT IT KIND OF TIES INTO THAT DISCUSSION.
ARE WE BLACKED FROM WORKING WITH DARK TO CHANGE IT NOW, THE FUTURE? HOW DOES THAT SORT OF PLAY? HOW WOULD THAT PLAY THROUGH PROCEDURALLY? SO, RIGHT.
SO MEMBER CITIES WORK WITH DART ON PROJECTS, AND WE'VE WORKED WITH DART VERY SUCCESSFULLY ON UPGRADING BUS SHELTERS.
THOSE UPGRADES THOUGH HAVE IN PART, BEEN AT THE CITY AT THE TOWN'S EXPENSE.
SO DARK DIDN'T FUND THOSE UPGRADES, THEY AGREED TO THEM.
SO IN THE FUTURE, CERTAINLY AFTER I WOULD THINK THE HIGHEST PRIORITY IS GETTING THE LINE OPEN.
UM, BUT WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH DART ON PROJECTS ALL THE TIME.
AND CAN APPROACH DART ABOUT UPGRADES TO THE BUS COMPONENT HERE.
UM, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, DIFFICULT TO PUT IT AS A PART OF THE MOTION AND THE ZONING, BECAUSE I THINK WOULD NEED TO HAVE A TIMEFRAME ON IT.
NORMALLY, IF THERE'S A CONDITION IN A ZONING ORDINANCE, CEO'S, WON'T BE ISSUED UNTIL ALL OF THE ELEMENTS ARE, ARE MADE OR, UH, HAVE BEEN PERFORMED.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE THAT TIME CONSTRAINT MAY BE DIFFICULT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DARK'S RESPONSE IS.
NORMALLY YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE AND WE CAN DO THAT, BUT BECAUSE OF COVID, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT WHEN I WOULD SAY TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT IS THAT PART OF WHAT WE TRYING TO DO WITH THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA IS TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP DARTS PROPERTY AS WELL.
AND SO WITH THE MASTER DEVELOPER, IF WE'RE ABLE TO SECURE A LEASE ON THE PROPERTY, THEN IT IS VERY POSSIBLE THAT THE MASTER DEVELOPER IS GOING TO GROW IS GOING TO REDEVELOP THIS.
AND AT THAT TIME THAT, THAT, UH, OF THAT REDEVELOPMENT, IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK AGAIN LIKE THAT.
THE, THE IDEA WOULD BE TO SAY, PLEASE MATCH THE REST OF THE FACILITY.
NOW, WHETHER OR NOT THAT BRINGS MONEY TO THE TABLE ON THAT IS NOT KNOWN.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD NOT QUOTE MY BREATH THAT THEY WOULD, BUT THAT DOESN'T
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MEAN THAT AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A FUNCTIONING STATION THAT ALLOWS THEM TO OPERATE THEIR BUSES IN THE WAY THEY NEED TO, THAT THEY WOULD, UH, THEY WOULD STAND IN THE WAY OF THE BUS STATION LOOKING AESTHETICALLY, LIKE WE WOULD WANT, BUT HAVE THAT DONE THROUGH THE MASTER DEVELOPER.DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, THEY DON'T HAVE A MASTER PLAN FOR ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER.
BUT NO, THEY DON'T, BUT THAT YOU THINK THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO OUR MASTER DEVELOPER CREATING A MASTER PLAN, OR WE MAY CORRECT IT.
THEY PAY FOR THEIR, THEIR, THEIR MAIN CONCERN IS GOING TO BE THAT IT FUNCTIONS THE WAY THEY NEED IT TO FUNCTION FROM AN OPERATION STANDPOINT.
SO IF IT, IF IT MEETS THAT CRITERIA, THEN I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE FLEXIBLE WITH REGARDS TO THE APPEARANCE.
I MEAN, TO USE AN EXAMPLE, THEY WORKED WITH US TOO WITH OUR ART AND DESIGN COMMITTEE TO MAKE THE AESTHETICS OF THE RAIL STATION LOOK LIKE IT, REPRESENTATIVES OF ADDISON WANTED IT TO LOOK.
SO I THINK THEY INDICATED THEIR WILLINGNESS ON THE RADIO STATION.
AND TO BRENDA'S POINT, THEY WORKED WITH US IN REGARDS TO THE BUS SHELTERS THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE, REPLACING THE ONES THAT THEY HAD.
I REALLY DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD TO DISCUSS THIS, BUT THIS IS ONLY IN CASE.
I REALLY DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO SELL THIS ADDITIONAL CONDITION INTO THE RESULT.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ZONE, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR YOU TO KNOW.
SO DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THIS ITEM? IF IT IS NO SECOND.
SO DO I HAVE MOTION AGAIN TO APPROVE THIS AS THE ONLY, UM, UM, THE ONE SECOND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO REMOVE SUBSECTION? I HAD IT PULLED UP.
TO REMOVE THE SECTION REGARDING THEM, THE VIDEO, THE SECURITY THING.
SO IS THAT THE MOTION YOU'LL MAKE, IS THAT A SECOND MOTION FROM PAUL WATER? AND SECOND FROM LORI WARD, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE.
[11. Hold a Public Hearing, Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on an Ordinance Amending Chapter 62-Signs of the Code of Ordinances to Change Regulations for Flags and Residential Signs. ]
HEARING PRESENT, DISCUSS, CONSIDER ACTION ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 62 SIGNS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO CHANGE REGULATIONS FOR FLATS AND RESIDENTIAL SIGNS AS EVERYBODY'S GETTING READY.UH, THE, THE RUNNING JOKE FOR THIS LAST WEEK IN OUR AGENDA PREPARATION WAS WHO'S, WHO'S VYING TO TAKE CHARLES GOSPEL PLACES.
THE BEEP WAS EDITOR WHO'S WHO'S PRESENTING THE MOST.
I THINK PHYLLIS IS IN THE LEAD RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE KEEPING TALLIES INTERNALLY.
UM, AND OUR LAST MEETING, UH, IN DECEMBER, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT REGULATIONS FOR RESIDENTIAL FLAGS AND SIGNS HERE TO NOT BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE, TO MAKE THE CHANGES AS COUNCIL DIRECTED AT THAT MEETING AND WANTED TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT AS WELL.
SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF, OF OUR, UH, PUTTING THIS ON THE REGULAR AGENDA TO THAT.
AGAIN, THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE CURRENT ORBITS DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS NOW, BUT A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS WANT TO HAVE THEIR SCHOOL SIGNS, THEIR SPORTS TEAMS, THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO AT OUR DISCUSSION, UH, BACK IN DECEMBER, COUNCIL WANTED TO MAKE ALLOWANCE TO ALLOW THESE THINGS WITH SOME REGULATIONS.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE BRINGING BACK TO YOU TONIGHT AND THE CHANGES THAT WERE DISCUSSED, AND, UM, AND I'LL BRIEFLY REVIEW THOSE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE ALSO IN FRONT OF EACH, NOT FOR APPROVAL AND ADOPTION OF WHAT WE'VE DONE, POST A NEW DEFINITION FOR FLAG THAT ALLOWS TEXT TO BE DISPLAYED AS WELL AS OTHER GRAPHICS AND SYMBOLS.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU CAN HAVE THE COWBOYS STAR, BUT ALSO NOW YOU CAN SAY DALLAS COWBOYS ON IT, UM, WHERE THERE'S A LIMIT BEING PLACED IN THREE PLATES PER PREMISES WITH A MAXIMUM SIZE OF EACH FLAG AND 40 SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT'S IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
UM, IF YOU SWIPE POLES ARE LIMITED TO 30 FEET HOT, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION IN DECEMBER ABOUT PEOPLE MIGHT NOT USE A FLAG POLE.
SOME OF THEM LIKE TO SEE THE PICTURE OF THEY'RE ATTACHED TO THE GARAGE DOOR, OR THEY COULD BE ON A, UH, MAY ASPEN EXPANDS FROM THE, THE HOUSE ITSELF.
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AND THEN WE'RE KEEPING THE MERITORIOUS EXEMPTION PROCESS FOR FLIGHTS AND BITE POLLS.WE ALSO TALKED IN DECEMBER ABOUT, UM, WANTING TO EXEMPT SOME TYPES OF FLAGS.
THIS WOULD BE LIKE THE SMALL AMERICAN PLANES THAT PEOPLE PUT OUT AROUND MEMORIAL DAY AND VETERAN'S DAY, UH, USUAL MULTIPLES OF THOSE.
AND ALSO COMPANIES GARDENED BANNERS THAT YOU SEE POPPING UP NOW, PEOPLE OF WHAT THEY PUT IN THERE IN BARS.
AND SO AS PROPOSED PROPOSING THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE THE PLAGUES LESS THAN SIX SQUARE FEET IN SIZE AND SIT FOR BRAIN LOCATION.
AND THIS COVERS MOST OF THOSE SMALL AMERICAN FLAGS.
UH, IT COVERS ALSO WITH SMALL GARDEN BANNERS.
THERE ARE LARGER GARDEN BANNERS THAT ARE UP TO LIKE 28 INCHES BY 40 INCHES.
THOSE WOULD BE CONSIDERED LIKE A FLAG AND THEN WOOD WOULD BE PART OF THE LIMITATION, THREE FLAGS FOR RESIDENTIAL.
WE TALKED A BIT ABOUT SCIENCE IN DECEMBER, MOST OF OUR DISCUSSION CENTERED ON FLAGS, BUT, UH, THERE IS A LIMIT PROPOSED THREE SIGNS, EACH, A MAXIMUM SIX SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITION TO THE GARAGE SALE AND FOR LEASE FOR SALE SIGNS OR MOUSE, OR ALLOW THEM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
SO THAT'S A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED.
WE'VE GOT THE LANGUAGE, A SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT IS ALSO BEING AMENDED AND, UM, YOU HAVE THE ORDINANCE ITSELF FOR EACH THAT, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS.
WE HAD A LITTLE SESSION ON THIS BEFORE.
HAS ANYONE HEARD ANYTHING FROM ANY RESIDENTS ABOUT IT? WELL, YEAH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, PHYLLIS, IT'S NOT INCLUDED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED OR NOT.
I WAS READING IN YOUR ORDINANCE.
IT TALKS ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY HOME, DUPLEX, AND THEN FOUND THEM, DO WE NEED THAT CONDUIT OR IS THAT COVERED? THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
UM, I GUESS, I GUESS THE THOUGHT I HAD IS I, I KEEP GOING BACK TO THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD IN WORK SESSION AND THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT, THE MORE I LIKE IT, I'D LOVE TO CALL IT MY IDEA, BUT IT WAS TOM'S IDEA THAT HAD, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF THREE TOTAL, UM, EITHER SIGNS OR FLAGS, NOT INCLUDING POLITICAL SIGNS AND THE SMALL LITTLE FLAGS ON A STICK.
UM, BUT AS IT, AS IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT THREE, THREE FLAGS PLUS, UH, THREE SIGNS, ACCEPTABLE PLUS POLITICAL SIGNS, PLUS FLAGS AND LITTLE GOURD FLAGS AND SO FORTH.
IT JUST SEEMS, UM, IT SEEMS EXCESSIVE TO ME.
AND THEN THE OTHER OTHER THOUGHT IS, UH, UH, EACH FLAG SHALL NOT EXCEED 40 SQUARE FEET.
NOW IT'S JUST TRYING TO VISUALIZE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? IT'S TRYING TO, UH, VISUALIZE HOW, WHAT THAT LOOK, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE RESIDENTIAL FLAT, 40, 40 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
SO THAT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE LARGE TO ME.
SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.
UM, AGAIN, I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN, THAN, UH, EVERYTHING IT ALLOWS, RIGHT? SO NORMALLY IF YOU GO BY 40 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S THE MOST OBVIOUS IT'S WHAT WOULD BE FIVE BY EIGHT FEET BY EIGHT FEET KIND OF LORDS.
BUT THEN IF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A NATIONAL FLAG, FLY OFF 30 FEET HIGH, THAT IT'S NOT REALLY BIG.
SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU VIEW IT.
IF YOU JUST TAPE THAT ON THE WALL WITH THE DISTANCE, YOU DON'T FEEL AS SCARED, RIGHT? SO IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, PERSPECTIVE, PERSPECTIVE, VISUAL, YOU KNOW? SO JUST A REMINDER ON THAT 40 THAT'S WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE ORDINANCE AND THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT SWEAT, THAT'S NOT BEING POSED.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY ABOUT.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING LIKE A FIVE BY EIGHT? YEAH, I THINK IT SHOULD BE OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO DISCUSS HAVE FOR ME IS GOOD.
THEY DIDN'T GENTLEMEN, GENTLEMAN'S IT.
THIS, I TEND TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF ANYONE PROBABLY WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE DO.
WHAT ABOUT THE WAY OF ANY, WELL, NO, I PROBABLY WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO DO I HAVE EMOTION? I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT.
I ASKED EARLIER IF ANYONE HAS HEARD ANYTHING FROM ANYONE AND
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THE ONLY COMMENTS THAT I RECEIVED, AND IT WAS FROM TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND THEY WERE BOTH RELATED TO THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED BRENDA EARLIER, YOU GAVE A CLEAR ANSWER.THERE IS NO, WE CANNOT LIMIT IN ANY WAY ANY OF THE CONTENT ON A POLITICAL SIDE, BECAUSE THAT WAS A CONCERN OF SOME FOLKS THAT JUST, I JUST WANT TO CALL THAT OUT SINCE FOLKS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IT, BUT THAT'S THE ANSWER.
AND WITH THAT, UH, ON MOVE APPROVAL FROM IVAN SAID IN FRONT OF GQ, ALL YOUR FAVORITE JOB OR THIS ITEM IS PRETTY SAY HI, I PROPOSE, I ATTEND
[12. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on Questions Regarding Potential Health Concerns Associated with Petition Requirements for City Council Candidates that were Adopted at the November 3, 2020 Special Election. ]
12 PRESENT, DISCUSS THEIR CONSIDERED ACTION ON QUESTIONS REGARDING POTENTIAL HEALTH CONCERNS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PETITION AND REQUIREMENTS FOR CITY COUNCIL CANDIDATES THAT WERE ADOPTED.AND NOVEMBER THE THIRD, 20, 20 SPECIAL ELECTION MARIN COUNCIL, EARL PARKER CITY, SECRETARY EPI, SPECIAL ELECTION THAT WAS CALLED FOR NOVEMBER 3RD.
UH, WE HAD, UH, 46 PROPOSALS FOR THE HOME RULE CHARTER.
AND ONE OF THOSE PROPOSALS WAS THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A PETITION TO INCLUDE WITH OUR APPLICATION FOR PLACED ON THE BALLOT, UH, DUE TO COVID.
I HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE INQUIRE AS TO, UH, WHETHER THERE WAS GOING TO BE ANY, UM, SUSPENSION OF THAT ROLE OR, UH, ANY CONCERNS IN THAT COUNTY THAT STAFF HAD, UH, PROPOSED TO MODIFY MAYBE, UH, THAT REQUIREMENT.
UH, SO I DID CHECK WITH THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND THERE HAS BEEN NO, UH, CHANGE PROPOSED BY THE GOVERNOR TO EXCLUDE OR SAY THAT NO PETITIONS, UH, UH, SUSPENSION OF THAT RULE FOR PETITIONS.
AND THERE ARE SEVERAL CITIES THAT, UH, DO HAVE PETITION REQUIREMENTS AND THEY ARE OTHER ONES IN THE AREA ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT.
UM, AND UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT COMES UP OR COUNSEL AT WANTS TO DISCUSS IT, BUT WE WANTED TO BRING IT FORWARD.
SO EVERYBODY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.
THAT'S WHAT THE CITIZENS APPROVED.
AND, UH, THERE IS NO CHANGE THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING AT THIS TIME.
UM, AND THE FIRST DAY TO FILE IS TOMORROW.
UM, AND THE LAST DAY IS FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 15TH.
SO 12TH, YEAH, LESS OF A QUESTION AND MORE SHARING OF INFORMATION.
AND ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED PRIOR TO THE MEETING WAS, UH, I THINK MORE COVID RELATED LEGAL RELATED IN THE, BASICALLY THE QUESTION WAS, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE, IN THE STATE, UM, OR THE GOVERNOR, UM, GOVERNOR ABBOTT'S COVID COVID ORDERS THAT WOULD RESTRICT SOLICITATION DOOR TO DOOR SOLICITATION OF ANY KIND MARKETING SALES? UH, I THINK THE ANSWER WAS NO.
SO I RESEARCHED THE ISSUE REGARDING THE ABILITY, WHETHER THE GOVERNOR'S ORDERS GAVE US THE ABILITY TO SUSPEND CHARTER RULES.
I DID NOT RESEARCH THE SOLICITATION.
OH, CAN WE GET IN THE ANSWER? YEAH.
NO, WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY LIMITATIONS.
TO ME, THAT WAS A REALLY, UM, BIG DEAL.
UM, AND, UM, SO YEAH, THAT, THAT'S THE THING I WANTED TO SHARE WITH EVERYBODY OUT THERE THAT MIGHT BE WATCHING.
SO THIS IS APPROVED BY THE CITIZENS.
UH, THIRD, SPECIFICALLY AS IRMA, THE CHECKUP, THIS ISA WITH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, I'LL CREDIT GOVERNMENT EXEMPT SAY, HEY, DID GO NEED TO SEE THAT
SO, UH, AND, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A CAUTION WEARING MASK AND, UH, IT JUST THE 25 SIGNATURES, IT'S NOT SO DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE.
SO I THINK THE OTHER OTHER THOUGHT ALONG THAT LINE, MARY IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF SOMEBODY IS NERVOUS ABOUT SIGNING A PETITION, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT A LOT OF RESIDENTS.
WE CAN TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE, BUT ALSO, UM, SHARON THOUGHT WITH THE VIEWERS, UM, AND, AND THE OTHER THOUGHT IS, UM, IS YOU CAN GET HELP OUT, UH,
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HAVING YOUR, GETTING YOUR PETITION PETITION COMPLETED.SO, SO FOR THOSE CANDIDATES THAT NEED HELP, OR MAYBE HAVE COVID SITUATION, THEY CAN, THEY CAN GET SOME HELP, UM, JUST SORT OF THROUGH THEM.
JUST TO LIKE THE CONDITION FORM ON THE LEFT TOP IS THE PERSON WHO WRONGFUL OFFICE.
YOU HAVE PUT THAT IN THEIR MOMS, THEN YOU ALSO HAVE BOARDERS CAN HELP YOU TOO.
SO THEY SAID THAT THIS SIGNATURES THEN ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGNATURE COLUMN, AND THEN YOU JUST, THE PERSON WHO HELD RISSA VISITED THAT SIGNATURE, JUST GO TO THE CITY SECTOR IN PLACE AND THEN GET A NOTARY PUBLIC WITH YOUR SIGNATURE, WHOEVER THE SOLICITOR.
SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE THE CANDIDATE HIMSELF.
IT WOULD BE THE ONE SOLICITING, RIGHT.
SO I HOPE IT'S CLEAR TO EVERYONE.
I KNOW EVEN PEOPLE ON WATCHING THIS, I HOPE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT FOR ANYONE DISCUSSION.
I HAVE A QUESTION IRMA EARLY IN, ON, IN THE PANDEMIC, WEREN'T YOU GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY HERE IN THE COUNCIL TO SIGN VIA, UH, AN ACTUAL ZOOM MEETING WITH ONE OF THE RULES THAT WAS CHANGED DUE TO COVID WAS THE SECRETARY OF STATE ALLOWED ANYONE THAT WAS A NOTARY TO BE ABLE TO NOTARIZE ZOOM.
SO NOTARIES HAVE THAT ABILITY NOW, UH, BECAUSE OF COVID, UH, AND, UH, THE ROLE HAS CHANGED FOR THESE APPLICATIONS, THE, THE, THE, UH, PEOPLE THAT HAVE THEIR APPLICATIONS AND STUFF, THEY COULD SEND IT INTO ME NOW VIA FAX, VIA EMAIL, WHERE BEFORE YOU HAD TO BRING IT IN PERSON.
SO THEY HAVE MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE RULES, UH, SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME INTO CITY HALL, YOU CAN FAX OR EMAIL IT TO US OR MAIL IT IF YOU WANT.
THAT'S JUST FOR NOTARY STUFF, RIGHT? UH, NO, FOR THE APPLICATION, FOR A PLACE ON THE BALLOT, A CANDIDATE BEFORE THEY HAD TO BRING IT IN PERSON, BUT NOW THEY DO NOT NEED TO.
AND SO, AS LONG AS THEIR PAPERWORK IS NOTARIZED, BEFORE I GET IT, IT'S IT IT'S, IT'S FINE.
SO THEY HAVE MADE THOSE, SOME OF THOSE MODIFICATIONS, BUT YES, SIR, TO YOUR QUESTION, UH, ANY NOTARY CAN DO A VISUAL, UH, THROUGH SIM, SO THAT, THAT SHOULD HELP IN ANY CASES WHERE THERE'S A CHALLENGE, THAT SOMEONE FEELS THAT THE, UH, CDC GUIDELINES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM TO BE, UH, CAUTIOUS ABOUT CONTACT.
THERE'S ANOTHER AVENUE THAT THE CITY'S WILLING TO ASSIST WITH THAT, SIR.
SO SINCE NO ONE HAS A QUESTION.
SO DO I HAVE EMOTIONLESS? THIS IS NOT AN ACTION ITEM.
[13. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on an Ordinance Amending the Home Rule Charter to Reflect Amendments Approved at the November 3, 2020 Special Election.]
13, PRESENT, DISCUSS, CONSIDER ACTION ORDINANCE AMENDING THE HOME RULE CHARTER TO REFLECT AMENDMENTS APPROVED UNDER THE NOVEMBER 3RD, 20, 20 SPECIAL ELECTION.UM, ON, IN FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR, THE COUNCIL APPROVED A, AN ORDINANCE TO CALL FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION AND ELECTION WAS POSTPONED DUE TO COVID AND MOVED TO NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
THIS LAST YEAR AT THAT ELECTION, WE HAD 26 PROPOSITIONS DEMAND, THE HOME RULE CHARTER.
AND, UM, SO THEY ALL PASSED AND WE DID THAT, UH, CANVAS, UH, AND, UH, AND EVER WE NOTED THAT EVERYTHING WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.
UM, AND SO THIS MEETING, WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO IS PRESENT THE CHANGES THAT ARE TO, UH, AMEND OUR CHARTER.
AND ONCE COUNCIL APPROVES THIS AMENDMENT, WE WILL PUT IT INTO CODE OF ORDINANCES.
SO IT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE CITIZENS.
AND THEN WE WILL SEND IT TO THE STATE OF TEXAS TO BE RECORDED AND THEIR BOOK OF HOME RULE CHARTERS.
SO AS STAFF, UH, PROPOSES OR REQUESTS THAT YOU APPROVE THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT ORDINANCE, AND THEY ARE EFFECTIVE WHEN THERE ARE, THEY WILL ACTUALLY WERE EFFECTIVE, I BELIEVE WHEN THEY WERE ADOPTED.
ARE THERE, THEY'RE ADOPTED WHEN THE ELECTION TAKES PLACE THEY'RE
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EFFECTIVE WHEN THE COUNCIL ADOPTS THIS ORDINANCE TODAY? CORRECT.SO LIGHTS AWAY APPROVE THIS TODAY WILL BE EFFECTIVE.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS? I MAY HAVE APPROVAL, SO EMOTIONAL REWARD IN THE SECOND FORM ON THE, WE ALL SEND ALL IN FAVOR TO APPROVE THIS CHARTER AMENDMENTS, PLEASE SAY, AYE, AYE, ITEM
[14. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on an Ordinance Calling and Ordering the May 1, 2021 General Election. ]
14, AGENDA, DISCUSS IT AND CONSIDER IT.AND ORDERING MADE FIRST 20, 21 GENERAL ELECTION.
IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN? FILING DATE IS, UH, TOMORROW.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, PLACED, UH, THE, UH, ORDINANCE ONLINE.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, CANDIDATE PACKETS AVAILABLE ONLINE.
UM, CITIZENS CAN, UH, UH, REQUEST THE PACKET FROM US.
THEY CAN COME TO CITY HALL AND GET IT, OR THEY CAN DOWNLOAD IT FROM THE INTERNET.
UM, IT'S ONE OF THE NEW CHANGES THAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO DO IS HAVE EVERYTHING AVAILABLE WHERE THEY DO NOT HAVE TO COME IN, UM, AND, UH, PLAN FOR A PLACE ON THE BALLOT.
AGAIN, IT STARTS TOMORROW AND, UH, HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE CONTESTED AND WE CAN CANCEL LIKE WE CANCELED LAST MAY.
SO, UH, ANYWAY, THIS ORDINANCE PROVIDES ALL OF THE, UH, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, ITEMS THAT ARE NEEDED TO, UH, CONDUCT OUR ELECTION AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
I HAVE A FEW SECOND FAVOR TO CALL THIS ACTION, PLEASE SAY, AYE.
RIGHT NOW WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTES BREAK.
WE ARE STILL ENTERING INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION BEFORE THE SECOND EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO, UM, ESSENTIALLY FIVE, FIVE, ONE ZERO SEVEN, FOUR TESTS OF GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIVERY, WOMAN EVALUATION, YOUR ASSIGNMENT DUTIES, DISCIPLINE OR DISMISSAL OFFICER
SO ARE WE ENTERING INTO CONCESSION? LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTES BREAK.
WE ARE EXITING EXACTLY OBSESSION, NO ACTION.
TAKEN THE MEETING'S ADJOURNED.