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WELCOME EVERYONE[1. Call Meeting to Order]
FOR OUR DECEMBER 20, 20 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.AND SO GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL I'VE MISSED YOU.
UM, SO BEFORE WE START, WE WILL DO OUR NORMAL PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON OUR CASES, UM, I JUST WANTED TO PASS ALONG, UM, AN EMAIL I RECEIVED FROM COUNCILMAN PAUL WALDEN, AND HE WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW WHAT A WONDERFUL JOB YOU ALL DID ON THE BAUMAN BUILDING CASE THAT IT WAS PARTICULARLY COMPLEX WITH IMPORTANT IMPLICATIONS FOR THE TOWN.
AND HE APPRECIATED THE PREPARATION AND THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO OUR DECISIONS.
HE ALSO WANTED ME TO SHARE THAT HE WAS IMPRESSED BY THE RESPECT THAT WE SHOW EACH OTHER AND THE DECORUM AND TONE OF OUR MEETINGS.
THERE'S NO POLITICS, JUST WHAT IS DOING RIGHT FOR ADDISON TO QUOTE PAUL, PLEASE KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
[1. Discuss and take action regarding approval of the minutes of the May 16, 2017 OCTOBER 20, 2020 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting.]
LET'S START WITH NUMBER ONE, DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION REGARDING THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 20TH, 2020 PLAN.IS THERE ANY COMMISSION MEETING? UM, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS? OKAY.
[2. PUBLIC HEARING Case 1819-Z/4135-4145 Belt Line Road. Public hearing, discussion, and take action on a recommendation regarding an ordinance changing the zoning on properties located at 4135 and 4145 Belt Line Road, from LR, Local Retail, to a PD, Planned Development District, based on LR with modified uses, in order to allow medical office use.]
NUMBER ONE.HOW ABOUT CARRYING CASE 18, 19, Z 41 35 TO 41 45 BELTLINE ROAD, PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION AND TAKE ACTION ON A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING AN ORDINANCE CHANGING THE ZONING ON PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 41 35 AND 41 45 I'M ROAD FROM L OUR LOCAL RETAIL TO A PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, BASED ON HOW OUR, WITH MODIFIED USES IN ORDER TO ALLOW MEDICAL OFFICE USE WILSON, MAY WE HAD THE STAFF BEFORE? I BELIEVE OLGA WILL ACTUALLY BE GIVING THE STAFF REPORT ON THIS ONE.
UM, THIS PROPERTY IS COMPRISED OF TWO LOTS, BOTH WITH EXISTING DEVELOPED RETAIL FRONTAGE ALONG BELTLINE ROAD AND VACANT LOT, UH, LAND IN THE BACK ALONG CENTURION WAY.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED DIRECTLY ACROSS BELTLINE ROAD FROM THE ADDISON GROVE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS RECENTLY APPROACHED BY A POTENTIAL URGENT CARE TENANT, BUT SINCE MEDICAL USES ARE NOT CURRENTLY PERMITTED IN THE LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT, THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO A NEW PD BASED ON THE EXISTING LOCAL RETAIL STANDARDS WITH JUST THE MODIFIED USE TO ALLOW MEDICAL OFFICE USES A WHILE.
STAFF BELIEVES THAT ALLOWING MEDICAL AND DENTAL OFFICES AS CONSISTENT WITH THE VISION FOR BELTLINE ROAD, UM, THE SITE IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR 24 HOUR MEDICAL USES OR SURGICAL MEDICAL USES.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S NOT PROPOSING ANY EXTERIOR BUILDING CHANGES, UH, BUT THEY ARE MAKING LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS IN ORDER TO MEET THE MOST CURRENT LANDSCAPE REGULATIONS.
AND THOSE ARE SHOWN ON THE PLANS THAT WERE PROVIDED.
NOW, THIS IS WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE TRICKY AND I'M SORRY.
THERE WERE TWO TYPOS ON THE STAFF REPORTS WITH REGARD TO PARKING AND THEY'RE MY FAULT.
THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR MEDICAL USES IS ACTUALLY ONE PER 200 SQUARE FEET, NOT 100.
UM, AND THE CO THERE ARE CURRENTLY 304 PARKING SPACES PHYSICALLY ON THE SITE, UH, WITH A CREDIT OF THREE ADDITIONAL SPACES, WHICH RESULTED FROM AN AGREEMENT IN 2015 DURING THE UNDERGROUNDING WHERE THE PROPERTY LOST THREE SPACES.
UH, SO THAT'S A TOTAL OF 307 SPACES, NOT THE THREE 40 THAT WERE INDICATED ON THE STAFF REPORT, UH, BASED ON THE CURRENT TENANT MIX, THEY, UH, INCLUDING THE PROPOSED NEW TENANT, THE MEDICAL TENANT, UH, THEY REQUIRE A TOTAL OF 318 SPACES.
SO, UM, IN AN EFFORT TO REMEDY THIS NON-COMPLIANCE, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS PROVIDED A REVISED SITE PLAN, UH, WHICH WE RECEIVED YESTERDAY.
UH, IT JUST HASN'T BEEN SHARED IN YOUR PACKET, BUT IT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR COUNCIL, UM, SHOWING THE RESTRAINING OF THE PARKING LOT FROM NINE FOOT WIDE SPACES TO EIGHT AND A HALF FOOT WIDE SPACES, WHICH STILL MEETS TOWN REQUIREMENTS, WHERE THEY GAIN SIX ADDITIONAL SPACES.
SO NOW THEY HAVE A TOTAL OF 313, UH, AND THEY'RE ALSO COMMITTING TO KEEPING THE, UH, CURRENTLY VACANT SUITE TWO 16, WHICH REQUIRES SEVEN SPACES VACANT UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE PROPERTIES WE DEVELOPED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING.
SO, UH, THOSE BRINGS THEIR REQUIREMENT DOWN
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TO THREE OH SIX, UH, AND THEY TECHNICALLY HAVE THREE 13.SO THEY'RE THERE THEY MEET, WE THINK THAT'S SUFFICIENT FOR THE TIME BEING, UM, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO IT, RIGHT SUBJECT.
UH, AND THEN ALSO THE ZONING PROCESS TRIGGERS THE PROPERTY TO BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, BOTH ALONG BELTLINE ROAD AND CENTURION WAY.
UH, SINCE THE APPLICANT'S MAKING VERY MINOR REQUESTS TO ADD A USE AND IS NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT AT THIS TIME, STAFF SUPPORTS THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO BE ALLOWED TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING VACANT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ALONG CENTURION WAY WITHOUT, UH, SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, BUT WHEN, WHEN THEY REDEVELOP IN THE FUTURE, THEY'LL THEY'LL HAVE TO COMPLY OF COURSE, UH, BUT THE EXISTING RETAIL FURNITURE ALONG BELTLINE ROAD SHOULD BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN STANDARDS.
UH, BUT THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING TO MAINTAIN THE SIDEWALKS AS THEY WERE PUT IN PLACE BY THE TOWN, UM, DURING THE UNDERGROUNDING.
SO WHILE STAFF WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUESTED REZONING TO ADD A MEDICAL OFFICE USE, UH, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THERE SHALL NOT BE A 24 HOUR MEDICAL USES.
THERE SHOULD NOT BE SURGICAL MEDICAL USES, UH, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A FULL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THE NEW MEDICAL, UH, OFFICE TENANT, UM, OF THE NEW MEDICAL OFFICE TENANT, THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL MAKE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG BELTLINE ROAD AND ACCORDANCE WITH THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
AND WE'D LIKE TO ADD A NEW CONDITION, UM, MIRRORING THE APPLICANT'S COMMITMENT THAT SUITE TWO 16 SHALL REMAIN VACANT UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE PROPERTY IS REDEVELOPED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT WOULD MEET ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS I'M HERE.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR OLDER OR WILSON AT THIS POINT? YEAH.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION JUST, UM, REGARDING, UM, THE REQUIREMENTS ON A PROPERTY OWNER FOR, UH, ADDRESSES ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT PLAYS IN HERE, BUT I KNOW WHEN I VISITED THE PROPERTY, I ONLY FOUND WHERE ONE OF THAT, UH, STREET ADDRESSES WAS POSTED OR WHERE I COULD FIND IT.
IT WAS UNDER THE AWNING ON THE, I THINK IT'S CALLED THE HUB AND IT WAS KIND OF OLD AND IT WAS HARD TO READ ANYWHERE AND I DIDN'T ACTUALLY EVEN EVER FIND THE OTHER ADDRESS ON THE, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE TO THE WEST, THE SECTION.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE, WHAT THE TOWN'S REQUIREMENTS WERE TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS FIRST ADDRESSES.
SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY, UH, AND THE, UM, BUILDING INSPECTIONS ARE THE ONES THAT CHECK THOSE, BUT ONCE A PROPERTY IS AROUND, THEY DON'T REALLY MONITOR IT BECAUSE THEY ALREADY KNOW, YOU KNOW, DISPATCH KNOWS WHERE THE BUILDING IS.
UM, BUT WE CAN MAKE, UM, WE CAN MAKE A COMMENT TO, UH, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER TO REVISE THAT.
ONE IS, CAN YOU TELL ME, UM, I COULDN'T TELL EXACTLY WHERE THOSE SWEETS ARE.
SO CAN YOU IDENTIFY WITHIN THAT STRIP MALL BASICALLY WHERE THEY ARE AND SECOND, UM, WHAT RESTRICTIONS DO WE PUT ON FOR HOURS OF OPERATION, OTHER THAN IT CAN'T BE 24 HOURS.
SO, UM, I'LL ANSWER THE SECOND ONE FIRST.
UM, WE CAN'T REALLY WELL, WE WON'T REALLY MAKE THAT DISTINCTION.
THE ONLY THING WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MEDICAL USES ARE NOT 24 HOURS, UM, JUST BECAUSE THE SITE'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THAT, UH, TO, UM, YOU KNOW, AVOID LIKE FULL SERVICE AMBULATORY KIND OF CARE.
UM, BUT IF THEY WANT TO OPERATE WITHIN CERTAIN SPECIFIC OTHER HOURS, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.
SO IF THEY OPERATE 23 HOURS 30 LEGAL, THAT'S KIND OF MY QUESTION, I GUESS.
SO I, I KNOW THAT WHEN IT WAS THE MEDICAL FACILITY BEING PROPOSED BACK BEHIND OUR HOUSE HERE, THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP.
AND ONE OF THE MAIN STICKLING POINTS FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA WAS, WAS A 24 OPERATION.
AND THE ALMOST EXACT SAME QUESTION I, EILEEN ASS WAS ASKED DURING SOME OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UM, I THINK AT THE TIME, CHARLES, UM, UH, ESSENTIALLY SAID THAT, UH, NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS WOULD BE ADHERED TO, UM, AND THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE, UH, SUPPOSEDLY AT LEAST AT THE TIME HE DID THIS, WHICH WAS SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AGO, UM, CAN BE SPECIFIED
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AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE MEDICAL FACILITY ONLY BE OPENED NEURO NORMAL BUSINESS, WHICH WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, EIGHT TO SIX OR EIGHT TO TAM HERSELF FOR EIGHT, EIGHT SOMETHING.BUT CERTAINLY NOT AS EILEEN SAID, THE LOOPHOLE 23 HOURS.
UM, SO THERE DOES HAVE TO BE, I THINK, SOME SPECIFICATION OTHER THAN JUST NOT 24 HOURS.
I THINK OUR INTENTION HERE IS JUST TO AVOID, UM, SPECIFICALLY OVERNIGHTS, UM, WHERE IT COULD CAUSE RESIDENTS, UM, SOME NUISANCE, UH, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON THE LOCATION OF THE SUITES, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE THE SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT DO IT'S BUILDING TWO, WHICH IS ON, OH, I'M GOING TO LEAVE THAT FOR THE APPLICANT, THEY ARE ON THE LINE OF THE STANDBY AND THAT THEY'LL BE IN, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT.
I CAN TAKE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN THE MEANTIME.
YEAH, I'VE GOT TWO TO START WITH.
UM, MAYBE EVEN THREE, UH, IN THAT THERE'S NO EXTERIOR CHANGES ARE BEING ANTICIPATED.
UM, THIS WAS REALLY JUST OPENING, LETTING A, AN EMPTY OFFICE POSITION BE USED FOR MEDICAL, BUT WHAT OTHER LONG-TERM ADVANTAGES I WOULD PROCEED BY GOING FROM, FROM LR TO PD, OTHER THAN JUST THIS ONE APP, ONE ONE-UP APPLICATION, ARE THERE OTHER ADVANTAGES TO DOING THOSE FOR HIM? I MEAN, THIS ALLOWS THE PROPERTY TO FALL FIRST THERE'S, AS YOU'VE SEEN IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE'S ALREADY A DENTAL OFFICE, UH, ON PROPERTY THAT WAS A STAFF ERROR BACK IN 2007, I THINK.
UM, SO THIS WILL ALLOW THE PROPERTY TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
UM, UP TO NOW HAS JUST BEEN TO CONTINUE OPERATION KIND OF GRANDFATHERED IN, UM, BUT THIS WILL JUST, IT'LL BE THE SAME REQUIREMENTS, THE SAME STANDARDS OF THE EXISTING, UH, RETAIL, LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH JUST THE ONE-OFF THAT THEY CAN NOW HAVE A MEDICAL OFFICE USE.
SO IF IT'S, UM, MAYBE ANOTHER, UH, MAYBE NOT DENTAL OFFICE, MAYBE IT'S A EYE DOCTOR.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT JUST GIVES YOU A VARIETY OF ADDITIONAL MEDICAL OFFICE USES THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED ON SITE, BUT THAT'S ABOUT THE EXTENT OF IT.
BUT BY OPENING UP TO OTHER TYPES OF BUSINESSES, THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF, I WOULD GUESS AT THE END OF THE DAY, AN ENHANCEMENT TO HIS OVERALL SHOPPING CENTER, I WOULD ASSUME AS FAR AS ATTRACTION IS TO OTHER BUSINESSES.
UM, I THINK IT'S WHEN THERE'S OTHER DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, IT SEEMS TO BE FAIRLY WELL DEVELOPED OUT, BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY, UM, FOR THE TOWN TO ENFORCE THE MASTER TRANSIT MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN ON THIS FACILITY, IF IT'S NOT A TOTAL REDO OF THE EXTERIOR? UH, SO THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS A VACANT PORTION OF SOME VACANT LAND ALONG THE BACK ALONG CENTURY AND ROAD.
SO I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT DEVELOPMENT THERE.
UH, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE MEAN BY REDEVELOPMENT.
SO, BUT DOES THAT INCLUDE THE BELTLINE SIDE? THEY DEVELOPED THE BACKSIDE THAT WOULD IMPACT THE FRONT SIDE AS WELL? UM, WELL I GUESS IF WE'RE, ARE YOU SAYING IF WE'RE NOT REQUIRING THEM TO MAKE THE MASTERS TRANSPORTATION PLAN IMPROVEMENTS ALONG BELTLINE, IF WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AGAIN? YEAH, PRETTY MUCH.
WHAT CIRCUMSTANCE WOULD THAT BE IF, BECAUSE IT'S A FAIRLY NEW, OR AT LEAST THEY'VE RENOVATED IT OR IT LOOKS PRETTY NICE ACTUALLY, UH, BOTH THOSE SETS OF BUILDINGS.
SO IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG TIME IN FAR AS I CAN SEE BEFORE THEY'RE GOING TO DO ANY EXTERIOR TO THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
I THINK IF THERE IS ANYTHING UPSIDE IT'S ON THE BACKSIDE, SO WHAT, WHAT ABILITY WOULD WE HAVE TO ENFORCE DEVELOPMENTAL BELTLINE? IF, IF THE, IF THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IS ON THE BACKSIDE, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
UM, IT'S NOT REALLY WRITTEN IN THE CODE LIKE THAT.
UM, I THINK IF THEY REDEVELOP THE BACK OF THE, THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENFORCE THAT, BUT I THINK IF WE'RE PASSING UP ON IT RIGHT NOW, UM, WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING IT'S, IT'S FINE THE WAY IT IS.
OLGA, WOULDN'T YOU BE ABLE TO, UH, ENFORCE THAT ANYTIME THEY CAME FORWARD WITH AN SUP.
SO IF THEY HAD TO MOVE A WALL FOR THE BAR OR ANY OTHER LOCATION, WOULDN'T YOU DO IT IN FOUR SET THROUGH A NEW APP? WE TYPICALLY DON'T, UM, DON'T REQUIRE THAT AS PART OF A SUP BECAUSE
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THAT'S, THAT'S TIED TO A SPECIFIC SPACE, UH, WHERE YOU'RE REQUIRING OR ASKING FOR IT NOW, UH, BECAUSE THIS AFFECTS THE ENTIRE SITE, UH, NOT JUST ONE SPACE WITHIN THE CENTER.SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE THREE MEDICAL OFFICES OR FOUR MEDICAL OFFICES, RIGHT.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S A REZONING, SO A REZONING OR REDEVELOPMENT, BUT AN SUP WE WOULDN'T, UM, REQUIRE THAT.
SO, BUT IF YOU GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT THE FACILITY, IT'S A FAIRLY WIDE STRIP OF, OF GRASS BETWEEN THE BUSHES, THE PARKING LOT, THE BUSHES, AND THEN BELTLINE.
UM, AND THEN AS YOU SAID, THE WESTERN PORTION IS IN COMPLIANCE.
UM, DO YOU KNOW WHY THE TOWN DID NOT CONTINUE WHAT THEY DID ON THE WESTERN SIDE, ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THIS, INSTEAD OF RUNNING IT RIGHT UP AGAINST, BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME WITH THE AREA AND THERE'S NOT THAT MANY UTILITIES, UM, IN THAT AREA.
I DON'T SEE WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN THE TOWN JUST KIND OF PUT THAT SIDEWALK RIGHT UP AGAINST BELTLINE, LIKE THEY DID.
SO, UM, AND THIS IS, UM, KIND OF HOW WE EXPLAIN IT TO THE APPLICANTS BECAUSE THE UNDERGROUNDING WAS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
UM, THERE WAS A CERTAIN COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UM, THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN HAD NOT YET BEEN ADOPTED, UH, BUT IT WAS IN THE WORKS.
SO THERE WAS, UM, KIND OF THE IDEA OF WHERE THE SIDEWALKS ARE INTENDED TO BE.
UM, SO WHERE THE TOWN COULD, UH, WITHOUT GOING OVER THAT ALLOWED COST, UM, THEY, THEY DID IMPLEMENT AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE, BUT WHERE THERE WAS ADDITIONAL COSTS INVOLVED, UM, IT WAS LEFT ALONE TO, TO ALLOW FOR KIND OF WHERE, WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE COULD, I WOULD REALLY HATE TO SEE THIS OPPORTUNITY MISSED.
UM, AND IF THE APPLICANT IS, IS PUSHING BACK PRETTY HARD, UM, IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S A COMPROMISED POSITION THAT WE COULD DISCUSS AS FAR AS, UH, THE OFFICE ON TWO SIX, TWO 16 SUITE, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
IT SEEMS THAT INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR TWO 16 TO GET DEVELOPED AND THEN RESOLVING THE ISSUE ABOUT THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T WORK AND GET THOSE RESOLVED TONIGHT AND MAKE A PROPOSAL THAT WOULD, MIGHT HELP EVERYBODY A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AS FAR AS, UH, HERE IN SEMESTER TRANSFER PIT MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, AND THEN THE RESOLVING, THE ISSUE WITH THAT SUITE TWO 16, AND THAT IT'S THE LACK OF PARKING.
IT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE GOT A POSITION HERE.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU, TOM, FROM THAT STANDPOINT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO REDO, WOULDN'T BE THE FULL AMOUNT ALL THE WAY ACROSS BELTWAY.
IT'S GOING TO BE A SMALL, A SMALLER AREA.
SO I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO PUSH THEM TOWARDS GETTING IT ALL IN THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO, LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, READDRESS IT.
CAN WE TRY RE STRIPING THE PARKING TOWARDS WHAT WE ARE IN GOAL? OKAY.
I WENT OVER THERE TODAY AND I TELL YOU EVEN CINCHES, I REALIZE IT'S STILL IN COMPLIANCE, BUT, UM, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS A LITTLE TIGHT.
UM, YEAH, SO WE COULD RESOLVE THAT ISSUE.
NOT HAVING THEM HAVE, HAVE TO DO THE RESTRIPE THING.
UM, LET THEM BE ABLE TO LEASE OUT TO 16 IN EXCHANGE FOR SOME DECENT, UH, ADHERENCE TO THE MTP.
I THINK THAT'S WORTH TALKING ABOUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN GET THEIR COMMENTS WHEN THEY COME ON OLGA.
UH, W SO WHY ARE WE LIMITING THE SURGICAL USE IF IT FALLS WITHIN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT 24 HOURS? WHY OR WHY ARE WE LIMITING THAT USE? I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE INVASIVE TYPE OF, UH, MEDICAL USES, UM, YOU KNOW, OFF OF MEDICAL OFFICES.
UM, MAYBE NOT 24 HOUR AMBULATORY CARE, UM, WOULD BE OKAY.
UM, BUT ONCE YOU GET INTO SURGICAL, UM, I THINK IT'S MORE OF A HOSPITAL TYPE OF A USE AND, UM, HOSPITALS REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
WOULD A DIAGNOSTIC CENTER BE KIND OF IN THAT SAME REALM? YEAH.
I THINK A DIET, A DIAGNOSTIC CENTER FALLS UNDER THAT.
ISN'T ALLOWED NOT AN INVASIVE.
SO CHRIS, MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY THAT POINT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, IF THEY WERE GOING TO ATTEMPT IF A TENANT WAS GOING TO MOVE IN AND EITHER BE A AMBULATORY SYSTEM OR INVASIVE SURGICAL, WOULD IT BE OVERNIGHT
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WHEN THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR AN SUV AT THAT POINT? UM, THEY W IF THEY WOULD WANT TO, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ALLOWED UNDER THE ZONING DISTRICT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALLOWED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST A REZONING, UM, WHICH WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO, WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER THAT AGAIN.SO WE CAN MAKE THAT A STIPULATION, BUT THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE THE LAST WORD IF SOMEONE WERE COMING IN AND ATTEMPT TO PERSUADE THE COMMISSION TO CHANGE IT.
IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTS.
AND THEN AS, AS A FOLLOW-UP, THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS IF WE DO CHANGE THE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD TRIGGER THE USE FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT? UH, CAUSE I'M, I'M REALLY GETTING AT, I MEAN, DO WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE LIMIT SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT IN OUR TOWN, THROUGH THE SUV THAT MIGHT FALL UNDERNEATH THAT, THAT, UM, THAT ZONING IN THIS CASE, UM, ANY MEDICAL OFFICE USE, UH, YOU KNOW, DENTAL OFFICES, UM, PRIMARY PHYSICIANS KIND OF AN URGENT CARE TYPE OF A USE WOULD BE ALLOWED, UH, WITHOUT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THE R CODES ONLY SPECIFY A HOSPITAL, UH, FOR AN SUV.
THE SURGERY WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT.
WOULD DAY SURGERY BE INCLUDED IN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO WORDS, LIKE A LOT OF THESE PLACES, YOU KNOW, THE, I SURGICAL PLACES IT'S JUST BAIT BASED SURGERY.
SO LIKE LATE, LIKE YOU MEAN LASER, YOU KNOW, LIKE LASIK OR CATARACT CONSIDERED AS A SURGICAL.
MAYBE TED CON, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
BUT IF THE COMMISSION HAS, UM, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS ABOUT OTHER TYPES OF MEDICAL USES THAT STAFF DID NOT CATCH, THEN MAYBE THAT'S A, UM, CONDITION YOU COULD ADD.
I GOT, I DON'T KNOW WHY MY BRAIN WENT TO THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE TOP GUN, I THINK TED'S FROZEN.
OH GOD, I MISSED WHAT YOU SAID.
WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS, UM, IF THE COMMISSION, UH, IS CONCERNED ABOUT ANY SPECIFIC MEDICAL USES, PERHAPS THAT'S A CONDITION THAT THEY COULD ADD TO OUR CONDITION TO RESTRICT THOSE.
UM, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT AGAINST, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF LIKE ADA OR, UM, YOU KNOW, ALLOWANCES FROM THIS STATE, OR I THINK THE COMMISSION COULD RESTRICT, AS YOU SUGGESTED SURGICAL USE, I THINK YOU COULD GET INTO SOME SPECIFICS IF YOU CHOSE TO, UH, THERE WAS SOMEBODY IN PARTICULAR THAT YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT RESTRICT THAT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MINE USE.
IF YOU CHOSE TO YOU'RE CUTTING IN AND OUT.
UM, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY, I BELIEVE YOU CAN RESTRICT CERTAIN USES.
SO THE BROAD DEFINITION OF MEDICAL, YOU KNOW, JUST, IT WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE IT AND SOUPY, I MEAN, IS THAT KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT, WELL, EVEN A DENTIST WOULD REQUIRE A QUICK, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION.
UM, BUT THEN THAT WOULD PREVENT, BUT THAT WOULD GIVE THE COMMISSION AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT PEOPLE, LOOKING AT THE CLIENT THAT COMES IN AND WANTING TO LEASE OUT THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY AMBULATORY TYPE SERVICES.
SO CAN YOU JUST SAY ANY MEDICAL USE NIECE NEEDS AN SUV OR NEEDS APPROVAL IF YOUR CODE DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT? I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS HAVE THAT NOW, IF I COULD JUMP IN, UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S CHALLENGING FOR CITIES TRY TO START DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN DIFFERENT TYPES OF MEDICAL SERVICES, UM, BECAUSE
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YOU KNOW, IT, IT IT'S, THEY ARE ALL LEGAL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC.AND, UH, THE DISTINCTION MADE IN OUR ORDINANCE IS BETWEEN OVERNIGHT CARE AND AMBULATORY CARE.
UH, WHEREAS THE HOSPITAL, UH, IS CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, REQUIRES THE SUP IT'S MORE INTENSE USE.
UH, IN MANY WAYS A MEDICAL OFFICE USES A LESS INTENSE USE THAN WHAT'S ALLOWED NOW.
AND IN SOME OF THE RETAIL USES THAT ARE ALREADY ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A CHALLENGE TO TRY TO CITE THIS TOP OF SERVICE IS OKAY.
BUT THIS TIME ISN'T, UM, I THINK YOU COULD PUT RESTRICTIONS ON HOURS OF OPERATION, UH, THAT TYPE OF THING, BUT I WOULDN'T IT ENCOURAGING TO NOT TRY TO START PARSING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MEDICAL OFFICES OR MEDICAL SERVICES THAT, THAT SOMEONE COULD PROVIDE.
SO, PHYLLIS, IF YOU COULD JUST, IF YOU JUST DEFINE IT AS NO OVERNIGHT, UM, WOULD THAT THERE'S SOME OF THIS I, I THINK SO, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UH, THE BEST ROUTE TO TAKE ON THIS, UH, YOU, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF SURGICAL CENTERS.
SOMEONE MENTIONED EYE SURGERY, WHICH IS LESS INVASIVE PROBABLY THAN GOING AND GETTING A COLONOSCOPY, BUT YET THOSE ARE ALL TYPICAL MEDICAL SERVICES THAT YOU WOULD KNOW YOU WOULD EXPECT TO FIND IT AT ANY, UH, MEDICAL PRACTICE OR, YOU KNOW, OUTPATIENT CENTER.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE DISTINCTION THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAKE.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OLDER PHYLLIS OR WILSON? YEAH, I'M GOING BACK TO, OH, GO.
DID WE EVER RESOLVE THE HOURS OF OPERATION OR IS IT JUST HANGING OUT THERE THAT IT'S LESS THAN 24? I THINK TO PHYLLIS'S POINT IS, UH, IF, IF, IF THE COMMISSIONER WANTS TO ADD THE RESTRICTION OF NO OVERNIGHT, UM, MEDICAL USES, THEN THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO REMEDY THAT, BUT THAT COVERS IT.
I THINK SO 24 HOURS TAKING PATIENTS CAN STAY OVERNIGHT.
I GUESS THAT'S WHAT YOU COULD GET INTO YOU.
YOU COULD HAVE A, AN URGENT CARE STINT OR THAT, UH, IS ONLY OPEN AT NIGHT AND, OR, UM, I'M GETTING SOME FEEDBACK HERE ON MY MIC.
UM, BUT SO YOU COULD SAY THAT THE USE IS ONLY ALLOWED TO BE OPEN FOR 18 HOURS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC, BUT STILL ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR THE, THE TENANTS, UH, TO, TO HAVE AND SAYING, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE MORE OF A AFTER HOURS, URGENT CARE, UH, THAN A TYPICAL DOCTOR'S OFF THIS.
UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND THAT ONCE THE STONING IS APPROVED, ANY TYPE OF MEDICAL OFFICE COULD BE A TENANT IN, IN THIS SHOPPING CENTER.
SO TO THAT POINT RIGHT THERE, I'M JUST MAKING IT UP.
THEY CAN PICK THEIR OWN HOURS OF OPERATION, BUT IF THEY WERE OPEN FROM SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING TO MIDNIGHT, UH, OR HOWEVER ELSE THEY WANTED TO DO IT, THAT WOULD BE THE 18 HOURS AND THEY WOULDN'T BE OPEN 24 AND THEY WOULDN'T BE OPEN 23 EITHER.
IT'S PRETTY PRESCRIPTIVE WITHOUT BEING SO PRESCRIPTIVE THAT THEY COULD NOT OPERATE.
I THINK THAT THAT WOULD, IF THAT'S THE COMMISSION'S CONCERN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, UH, A FAIR WAY TO APPROACH PLACING A STIPULATION IN THE PD.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ALSO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, UH, ON THIS.
UM, SO IS OUR APPLICANT HERE? YES, I'M HERE.
SO IF YOU WOULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR OUR RECORDS, PLEASE, YOU SHOULD MASTERPLAN TEXAS 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US? OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
UM, SO I WANT TO START WITH THE LOCATION OF THE TENANT SPACE.
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IN CAP ON THE WESTERN BUILDING.SO ACROSS FROM THE HUB IS WHERE THE TENANT SPACES IS PROPOSED TO GO, UM, CONCERNING THE HOUR HOURS OF OPERATION.
UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THESE ARE GOING TO BE MORE STANDARD OPERATING HOURS.
SO IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH SETTING EITHER AN 18 HOUR WINDOW OR A 12 HOUR WINDOW, UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THAT THE TENANT COULD WORK WITH THAT.
SORRY, I'M GETTING INFORMATION.
UM, MAYBE EVEN A 16 HOUR WINDOW.
SO LIKE AN 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM, UM, WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH, UH, THE TENANT THAT WOULD LIKE TO OCCUPY THIS SPACE UNDER THAT LAND USE.
AND THEN LASTLY, IN REGARDS TO THE SIDEWALK, UM, YES, I DO THINK THAT THERE'S CERTAINLY A CONVERSATION TO BE HAD, BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD LIKE THE SAME TREATMENT THAT'S BEING APPLIED TO CENTURION AS FAR AS THERE'S NO NEW DEVELOPMENT BEING PROPOSED ONSITE.
SO IT CAN WE MAINTAIN THE EXISTING SIDEWALK THAT WAS RECENTLY INSTALLED, UM, WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE BELTLINE FRONTAGE WOULD BE REVISED AND MADE CURRENT AT TIME OF SITE REDEVELOPMENT OR NEW DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE, THE SAME AS CENTURION.
UM, I'D LIKE TO RESERVE THE REST OF MY TIME FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT FOR THE, UH, UH, THE LANDSCAPING THAT YOU RE YOU WOULD BRING BELTLINE UP, UP TO CODE, BUT THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGE TO THE SYRIAN SIDE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE LANDSCAPING IS ALREADY PROPOSED TO BE UPDATED ALONG THE BELTLINE TO BE FULLY COMPLIANT.
UM, I'M ASKING FOR THE ACTUAL SIDEWALK PAVING TO BE TRIGGERED AT TIME OF REDEVELOPMENT.
SO ALL OF CENTURION HAS ESSENTIALLY BEEN POSTPONED UNTIL SITE REDEVELOPMENT.
UM, BELTLINE FRONTAGE WILL MEET LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS TODAY, BUT SIDEWALK PLACEMENT IS WHAT IS, UH, NON-COMPLIANT CURRENTLY ON THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN? WELL, I THINK JOHN, TO YOUR QUESTION THERE, THEY ARE GOING TO BE ADDING SOME LANDSCAPE, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE THE SIDEWALK BACK TO MEET MTP UNLESS THEY DEVELOPED CENTURION AT SOME FUTURE DATE.
IS THAT CORRECT? KEISHA? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
SO YOUR, YOUR CLIENT WOULD BE, WOULD BE CONTENT IN POTENTIALLY SUITE TWO 16 BEING LEFT, VACANT INDEFINITELY.
UM, CAUSE THERE IS, THERE'S GOING TO BE AT SOME POINT A CONCERN WITH THE PARKING, IF THAT UNIT IS OPENED UP AND WITH ADDITIONAL PARKING, WE'RE GOING TO GET RIGHT BACK INTO THIS QUESTION ABOUT THE MTP AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND SO THEY WOULD RATHER JUST PUSH THIS DOWN THE ROAD, UM, AS OPPOSED TO POTENTIALLY COME UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR THE LAST, THE PARKING THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN COMPLIANCE AND EVEN WITHOUT TWO 16, I THINK, OR MAYBE WHEN YOU ADD TWO 16, UM, AND, AND GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY.
AND THEN, AND THEN, UM, OR DO THEY JUST WANT TO PUSH THIS THING ON DOWN? RIGHT.
SO, UM, PART OF THE PLAN FOR THE PROSPECTIVE TENANT IS TO RESTRIPE THE EXISTING PARKING TO MAKE IT COMPLIANT, LEAVING THAT TENANT SPACE VACANT.
SO YES, THEIR REQUEST IS TO KEEP TWO 16 VACANT BECAUSE THAT WOULD TRIGGER ADDITIONAL PARKING.
NOW, WHEN THEY'RE READY FOR A TENANT TO OCCUPY THAT SPACE, ONE THING THAT PROPERTY OWNERSHIP HAS YET TO FULLY UNPACK IS W WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE DONE SITE TO MAKE THE PARKING FOR TWO 16 COMPLIANT COULD POTENTIALLY A RESTAURANT AT THAT TIME, THEN BE CONVERTED TO RETAIL, WHICH MAY FREE UP PARKING.
THERE ARE CERTAIN SCENARIOS WITHOUT HAVING TO ADD ADDITIONAL PAVING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY WORK.
SO THAT'S WHY THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO SAY, YES, WE AGREE TO KEEP TWO 16 VACANT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE WANT THIS MEDICAL TENANT.
UM, AND, AND IT WILL BE THE PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO FIGURE THAT OUT WHEN THEY WANT TO REOCCUPY TWO 16, HAVE YOU GUYS DONE ANY COST ESTIMATES, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO REDO THAT SIDEWALK, EVEN JUST, LET'S JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, HALF OR THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY UP OF BELTLINE, HAVE YOU GUYS RUN ANY NUMBERS AND COMPARE IT TO POTENTIALLY HAVING TO INCREASE PARKING SPACES
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IN THE FUTURE, AS WELL AS THE RESTARTING, AS WELL AS FREEING UP TO 16 IMMEDIATELY VERSUS DOWN THE ROAD? UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU DONE ANY COST ESTIMATES FOR REDOING THE SIDEWALK? YES, I BELIEVE SO.I NEED TO GO BACK IN MY EMAILS AND LOOK THAT UP, BUT, UM, TO ANSWER THE LATTER PART, I HAVEN'T BEEN PRIVY TO ANY RESTRAINING COSTS OR THE COST OF KEEPING TWO 16 VACANT, BUT LET ME GO BACK IN MY EMAIL REAL QUICK AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE NUMBERS FOR THE SIDEWALKS.
UM, TH THAT I THINK I HAVE, UH, IS THAT OKAY? YEAH, YOU CAN DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
I CERTAINLY CAN IF I HAVE A COUPLE OF MINUTES.
AND I GUESS WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, I CAN KINDA SUMMARIZE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS.
UM, AND I THINK, UH, NANCY WENT OUT THERE TOO, AND MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER ONES HERE, BUT THERE IS THE SHELL STATION UP THERE ON THE CORNER.
UM, AND THEN A RESTAURANT NEXT TO THE SHELL STATION AND THEY INTRUDE FAIRLY FAR OUT ALMOST TO THE BELTLINE.
SO PROBABLY SOMETHING IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT WOULD GET US IN COMPLIANCE.
THE MTP FOR THOSE TWO PROPERTIES IS WAY DOWN THE ROAD, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST CHECK OFF IF WE CAN GET, UH, THIS DEVELOPER TO RECONSIDER THAT EFFICIENT.
WE CAN ALWAYS CHECK OFF THAT PORTION OF BELTLINE BECAUSE AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT ON MANY MEETINGS, UM, THE REDEVELOPMENT LOG BELTLINE, UM, TRIGGERS THE MTP.
AND IF WE KEEP GETTING PUSHED BACK AND, AND, AND NOT, AND, AND LET SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS GET BY WITHOUT DOING IT UNTIL SOME FUTURE TRIGGER, IT WILL NEVER GET BELTLINE FIXED.
AND SO HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL PORTION OF BELTLINE FIXED.
UM, AND, AND I WAS HOPING THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD SEE THE MERITS OF A LET'S GO AHEAD AND LET THEM LETTING THEM LEASE OUT TO 16.
UH, NOT HAVING TO EVEN RESTRIPE LIVING WITH THE LESS PARKING SPACES.
I MEAN, WE DID IT FOR THE BOWMAN BUILDING.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE LAST PARKING LOT LESS PARKING THAN WHAT WAS REQUIRED HERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE LESS THAN 15 SPACES BETWEEN BEING FULLY COMPLIANT AND NOT EVEN WITH TWO 16 OPEN.
SO, UM, I WAS JUST HOPING THAT ALL OF THAT TOGETHER, THAT BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, SOME LENGTH OF SIDEWALK THAT WOULD COME UP BELTLINE AND COMPLIANCE TO THE MTP.
UM, OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT LOOKING TO COME RIGHT UP TO THAT RESTAURANT NEXT TO THE SHELL STATION, UM, BECAUSE THE SIDEWALK COULD TAKE A MEAN TURN, UH, TO GET BACK TO BELTLINE.
IF YOU'RE EIGHT FEET OFF OF BELTLINE, YOU HAVE TO TAKE A MEAN TURN TO THE SOUTH TO GET BACK ONTO THE SIDEWALK, BUT SOME TRANSITION PERIOD.
UM, AND SO IF WE CAN GET THE CLIENT TO CONSIDER THAT I THINK, OR THE DEVELOPER TO CONSIDER THAT, I THINK THAT'D BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THE MTP ALONG FURTHER, ALONG, DOWN BELTLINE.
BUT I AGREE WITH YOU TOM, ON THAT ALSO, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT LARGE OF AN AREA THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE REBUILT FROM THAT STANDPOINT, OR CAN COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
SO LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IF WE CAN SIT THERE AND SAY, OKAY, WE'LL GIVE IT A LITTLE ON THIS SIDE, IF YOU CAN GIVE THEM A MATCH SIDE.
I WOULD ALSO SAY JUST AS A COMMENT, I THINK, UM, HAVING A TWO 16 VACANT TO SOLVE A PARKING PROBLEM IS PROBABLY NOT THE WISEST THING TO DO WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO, LET'S ADDRESS WHATEVER THE ISSUES AND CONCERNS ARE WITH THE PARKING, BUT LET'S, DON'T KEEP A SPOT VACANT TO ACCOMMODATE A PARKING SITUATION.
I JUST THINK THAT THAT JUST SORT OF OPENS THE DOOR FOR FUTURE SHORT OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO LEAVE OPEN.
AND I'VE GOT TO THINK THAT IF A MONTH OR SEVERAL MONTHS OR A YEAR OF REVENUE FROM TWO 16 WOULD FAR OUTWEIGH THE COSTS OF SIDEWALK, PISA, KESHA EDUCATES IN SWEPT, THAT IS, I WOULD THINK THAT'D BE A MUCH BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DEVELOPER TO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE TO THEM, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO SIT THERE INDEFINITELY.
IT CAN BE A LONG TIME BEFORE THE PARKING GETS RESOLVED.
AND BECAUSE IT, AT SOME POINT THE DEVELOPER STILL GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS MTP.
THE PARKING WILL NEVER GET RESOLVED, SO IT WILL STAY VACANT.
WELL, I, I WANNA, I WANNA SEE THE CENTER DO WELL AND I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
THEY HAVE SOMEONE INTERESTED IN THIS SPACE.
YOU KNOW, MY, MY THOUGHT IS, UH, IS THAT CENTER HAS ALWAYS STRUGGLED A BIT.
SO I LOVE THE THOUGHT OF THEM BEING ABLE TO, UH, FIND ANOTHER TENANT WHO WANTS THAT SPACE.
UM, BUT I ALSO FEEL LIKE, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE TOWN TO HAVE OUR, UM, OUR, OUR MTP IN FORCE.
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SO, UM, THAT'S SORT OF WHERE I STAND.KEISHA, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR US? I DO NOT.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, SIDEWALK NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH ME.
UH, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR, FOR THAT INCORRECT STATEMENT.
UM, AND I, I DO AGREE THAT, UM, THAT, UH, IF, IF THE DECISION IS TO, UM, REQUIRE THE SIDEWALK, THEN, UM, OF COURSE THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE AMENABLE TO, UM, A PARKING AGREEMENT, A PARKING BRAKE, WHETHER THAT'S IN DELTA CREDITS OR, OR WHATEVER.
UM, THE CITY DEEMS, UM, AMENABLE TO OF COURSE, ONCE OCCUPIED SUITE TWO 16.
UM, I CERTAINLY DON'T, UH, THANK YOU.
OR I GUESS, LET ME SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT OFFER.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR KEISHA? OKAY, SO, UM, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING OLA.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY TO SPEAK? OKAY.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE OR QUESTIONS HOW TO STRUCTURE THIS SINCE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT NEW THINGS WE'D LIKE TO PUT ON FOR THE CONDITION? I HAVE ONE MORE, CATHERINE, WHAT WAS THE PERCENTAGE OF THE LANDSCAPE THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN? HAVE YOU SAID IT'S IN COMPLIANCE BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE PUTTING A LOT OF TREES, THE LIFTS, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF TREES LISTED.
AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE IN THOSE, SOME, THE THINGS HAD THAT ADD UP AS FAR AS THE PERCENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREA, I MEAN, PER PERCENTAGE WISE, THEY MEET THE 20% REQUIREMENT.
UM, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? YEAH.
AND, AND, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE LIST OF THE TREES, I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST, I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT, UM, IT MUST BE CLOSE TO 2000, UH, RED OAKS AND LIVE OAKS AND CREPE MYRTLES.
UM, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK GETTING PEOPLE AND BIKES AND WALKERS PEDESTRIANS OFF AND AWAY FROM BELTLINE IN THE LONG-TERM IS A LOT MORE IMPORTANT EVEN THAN MAYBE A FEW TREES.
AND SO I, I'VE KIND OF, I I'D LIKE TO RESOLVE THIS TONIGHT, BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE MAYBE THEY NEED TO COME BACK AND WORK WITH STAFF A LITTLE BIT MORE ON, WHAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE POSITION, AS FAR AS THE PARKING SUITE TWO 16 AND MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF THE LANDSCAPE IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT SIDEWALK WORK.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT W W HOW THAT TAKES IN TERMS OF EMOTION OR WHETHER THE CLIENT OR THE DEVELOPER WOULD EVEN BE AMENABLE TO THAT, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD ASK KESHA.
UM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT PRETTY QUICKLY.
UM, I THINK EVERYBODY'S WANTS THIS TO GET DONE.
I'M SURE I I'M, I'M WITH, UH, WITH CHRIS, I'D LOVE TO SEE THEM ADD A CLIENT AND ADD MORE TO THIS AREA.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THE LANDSCAPE AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT'S GONNA MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT, BUT JUST GETTING THOSE, GETTING THAT SIDEWALK MOVED, I THINK ENHANCES THE VALUE OF THE WHOLE PROPERTY.
ADDITIONALLY, SO IT'S GOOD FOR THEM.
IT'S GOOD FOR THE TOWN, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE TONIGHT, BUT, UM, SO I, I, I WOULD HATE TO THIS THING GET, UM, WAYLAID SOMEHOW WHEN WE'RE SO CLOSE.
UH, AND I WILL, I WILL LEAVE THAT TO KESHA, BUT, UM, JUST FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, I THINK THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS HOPING TO GET APPROVED, UM, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TAKEN A FEW MONTHS TO WORK ON THESE, UH, KIND OF PLANS AND THIS SUBMITTAL, AND THEY ARE AFRAID OF LOSING THE TENANT, UM, THE, THE POTENTIAL TENANT, BUT, UM, I'LL LET KESHA CONFIRM KESHA.
UM, YES, THAT IS CERTAINLY A CONCERN.
IT HAS TAKEN QUITE A WHILE TO GET TO THIS POINT.
UM, AND SO, UM, I KNOW SPEAKING FOR PROPERTY OWNERSHIP THAT, UM, IF WE CAN COME TO AN APPROVABLE DECISION, UM, BY, BY THE COMMISSION, THAT WOULD BE, UM, PREFERRED ALSO CONCERNING THE LANDSCAPE TREES.
PART OF THAT WAS THE BELTLINE REQUIREMENT.
THE OTHER PART WAS, UM, THE PARKING LOT TREE REQUIREMENT AND, AND TAKING WHAT WAS A NON-COMPLIANT SITE AND BRINGING IT INTO COMPLIANCE FOR CERTAIN LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND SO DEALING WITH AN EXISTING DEVELOPED CONDITION AND TRYING TO FIND A PLACE TO PUT TREES, UM, IS KIND
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OF HOW, HOW THE LANDSCAPE PLAN CAME TO BE IS, IS THIS, UH, MAKING IT MEET WITH OUR MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN A I, I KNOW, DEAL FOR THEM, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE OPEN TO? AND BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE ALL PRETTY STRONG WITH THE FACT THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT AND WE'RE NOT WILLING TO WAIT.AND SO, UM, IS THAT SOMETHING WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE YOU GO BACK AND WORK WITH OUR PEOPLE, UM, TO WORK THAT OUT, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REQUIRE TONIGHT AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE OKAY WITH THAT, FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, THEY ARE UNDERSTANDING, AND STAFF INFORMED US OF THE SAME THAT THE, THE BELTLINE, UM, COMPLIANCE WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, AND WE STILL WANTED, UM, OUR OPINION CONSIDERED, BUT YES, THEY ARE UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THE REQUIREMENT AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE IN ORDER TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
I THINK THE REQUIREMENT IS THE REQUIREMENT.
WHAT WAS THAT? THE REQUIREMENT IS THE REQUIREMENT.
SO UNLESS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WILLING TO BACKPEDAL ON THE REQUIREMENT.
WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WITH, WITH BOWMAN LAST, THE LAST MAIN BACK IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER, WHENEVER THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS, UM, WE BASICALLY GAVE THEM APPROVAL TO BUILD HIS BUILDING, BUT THERE WERE SOME MAJOR THINGS HE HAD TO DO AFTER THE MEETING, MOSTLY LIKE THE, UH, THE LIFT THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD TO GET APPROVAL OF THE LIFT.
I'M WONDERING IF WE DO SOMETHING SIMILAR HERE WHERE WE BASICALLY GIVE THEM APPROVAL, UH, FOR THIS, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE PD.
UM, BUT DO THEY NEED TO COME BACK TO, UM, TO OLGA AND STAFF TO WORK OUT AN AGREEABLE SITUATION? AS FAR AS THE PARKING SUITE TWO 16, THE TREES ARE PUTTING IN, UM, OR WILL NOT HAVE TO PUT IN OR MODIFY IN ORDER TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
I MEAN, THERE'S A COST FOR THE SIDEWALK.
THERE'S A COST, BUT THERE'S A RE A POSITIVE REVENUES FOR HAVING TWO 16.
THERE'S A POSITIVE REVENUE, NOT REQUIRING THEM TO RESTRIPE.
I MEAN, THERE THERE'S A, A WIN-WIN HERE, THERE WOULDN'T TOGETHER.
AND MAYBE WE, AND, AND WE CERTAINLY, I WOULD NOT ADVOCATE PUTTING BP ACROSS ENTIRE PROPERTY.
IT JUST WOULDN'T BE FEASIBLE BECAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON NEXT DOOR.
UM, IT IT'D BE A LITTLE BIT OF A TRANSITION, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF BELTLINE THAT YOU'RE GONNA, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MTP ON AN EASTERN SIDE, BUT MAYBE WE CAN WORK THAT OUT WITH STAFF AFTER WE APPROVE.
UM, IF ASSUMING THE VOTES GO ACCORDINGLY, THE, THE PD, AND THAT WOULD GIVE A SIGNAL TO THE CLIENT, THEY CAN MOVE IN AND THEY'VE GOT THEIR DEAL.
BUT NOW THE DEVELOPER HAS WORKED WITH THE TOWN TO RESOLVE THE LAST MINUTE STUFF.
SO, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, SO WHAT ADDITIONAL TO FULFILL WHAT YOU JUST SAID, TOM, WHAT ADDITIONAL DO WE NEED TO ADD TO WHAT THE STAFF HAS SAID, RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS? SO WHAT IS IT IS NOT IN THERE THAT WE NEED TO ADD, THAT WE COULD GET APPROVED? WELL, THING I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS IS, IS HOURS OF AROUND LIMIT HOURS AND WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
I'VE TAUGHT ME, I THOUGHT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THIS IN THE VERY FIRST COMMENTS AND SEEING THEIR SHOW ME NO 24 HOUR MEDICAL USE TO SIT IN THE SAME, THAT THERE WOULD BE OPEN NO LONGER THAN 18 HOURS WITHIN A 24 HOUR PERIOD.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, MAY I MAKE A MOTION AND TRY TO INCORPORATE ALL OF THIS INTO THAT MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
Y'ALL, Y'ALL LISTEN TO MAKE SURE I GET IT ALL IN THERE.
SO FOR CASE 18, 1941, WITH 35, THREE 41 45 BELTLINE, I'M GOING TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THERE BE, UM, ALLOWED FOR MEDICAL USES, BUT NOT SURGICAL USES EXCEED AN 18 HOUR WINDOW OUT OF ANY DAY.
THAT'S THE SIDEWALK BE BROUGHT UP TO THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN SPECIFICATIONS WITH A SLIGHT MODIFICATION AT THE EAST END, WHERE IT MOVES INTO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, AND THAT THE LANDSCAPING,
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UM, BE BROUGHT UP BEING MAINTAINED AT THE 20% LEVEL.HOWEVER, THESE SUITE TWO 16 DOES NOT NEED TO REMAIN VACANT.
IT CAN BE OCCUPIED AND THE PARKING WOULD NOT BE RESTRAINT, UM, THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE AN ALLOWANCE ON THE PARKING.
I HAVE A SECOND TO FIGURE OUT WHO GETS THE SECOND.
I COULD, IF I COULD BREAK IN HERE TO JUST CLARIFY, TO CLARIFY THE, SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE COMMISSION'S INTENTIONS ARE.
UM, UH, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE PARKING, UH, WOULD BE THE REQUIRED PARKING WOULD BE, UH, REDUCED TO ALLOW COMPLETE OCCUPANCY OF EVERY SUITE.
SO IF SUITE TWO 16, UH, YOU KNOW, IF IT HAS A RETAIL TENANT, THEN THE PARKING THAT IS ESSENTIALLY ONSITE TODAY WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.
IT, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING THE COMMISSION DIRECTION, BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY AS, OKAY.
WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE ALL IN FAVOR.
MOTION CARRIES WITH THE CONDITION STATED BY EILEEN AND KEISHA.
[3. PUBLIC HEARING Case 1820-SUP/Dart Station. Public Hearing, discussion, and take action on a recommendation regarding an ordinance changing an existing Special Use Permit, through Ordinances 097-055 and 002-002, located at 4925 Arapaho Road, to include a rail station as an allowed use and amend development plans, in order to allow a rail station at the Addison Transit Center.]
OKAY.OUR SECOND CASE IS PUBLIC HEARING CASE 1820 SUP DARK TRANSIT STATION, PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, AND TAKE ACTION ON A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING AN ORDINANCE CHANGING AN EXISTING SPECIAL USE PERMIT THROUGH ORDINANCE, UH, OH, 97 DASH ZERO FIVE FIVE AND OH OH TWO DASH OH TWO, LOCATED AT 49 25 ARAPAHOE ROAD TO INCLUDE A RAIL STATION AS AN ALLOWED USE AND AMEND DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND WERE TO ALLOW ROASTS A RAIL STATION AT THE ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER, UH, THAT ARE YOU REPORTING AGAIN? NO, THIS TIME WILSON HAS IT.
UH, THE, THE EDISON TRANSIT CENTER, IT WAS BUILT IN 1997 AND IT'S A, JUST OVER FIVE ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF ARAPAHOE ROAD IN QUORUM DRIVE.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT TO ACCOMMODATE A DART BUS SERVICE, BUT IT IS BUILT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING RAIL LINE, WHICH WAS IN THE WORKS FOR DART, UH, TO ADD RAIL SERVICE.
UM, SO THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL PLANS AS WELL.
FOLLOWING THE PLANNING PROCESS, DART BROKE GROUND ON THE SILVER LINE RAIL RAIL TRANSIT LINE AT THE END OF 2019.
THIS WILL CONNECT PASSENGERS FROM THE SHILOH ROAD STATION AND PLANO TO DFW AIRPORT WITH THE ADDISON TRANSIT STATION LOCATED DIRECTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT LINE.
UH, THE SILVERLINE IS ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETED IN 2023 WITH THE ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER EXPECTED TO SEE NEARLY 2000 RAIL RIDERS PER WEEKDAY BY 2040, THE PROPOSED PLANS FOR THE SUP.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO, UM, LET ME CLARIFY REAL QUICK.
I PUT, UH, FOUR COVERED RAIL PLATFORMS ADJACENT TO THE RAIL TRACKS.
IT'S ACTUALLY TWO PLATFORMS WITH FOUR CANOPIES.
UM, SO ONE CANOPY WILL BE LOCATED ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE TRACKS WITH TWO CANOPIES, UH, AND THEN ONE PLATFORM WITH TWO CANOPIES ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE TRACKS.
UH, THE TRAIN, THE TRAIN PLATFORMS WILL BE LOCATED DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER, ALLOWING PASSENGERS TO EASILY ACCESS DART BUSES, AS WELL AS START UTILITIES AND FACILITIES.
THE STATION WILL INCLUDE SPECIAL LIGHTING AND PAVERS AND ART AS APPROVED BY THE ADDISON ART AND DESIGN COMMITTEE.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH COMMITTEE OR SORRY IS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
UM, THE, UH, THE PROPOSED REAL ISTATION SUPPORTS TOWNS, THE TOWNS VISION FOR THE FUTURE OF THE ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER, AND WILL ACT AS AN ANCHOR FOR THE FUTURE ADDISON CIRCLE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UH, THE FOLLOWING CONDITION IS THAT THE DART RAIL MUST BE BUILT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY THE ADDISON ART AND DESIGN COMMITTEE.
SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
UM, I, I'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE SEND YOU, YOU MENTIONED, UM, ON YOUR CONDITION IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ART'S RECOMMENDATION.
UH, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY MEETINGS DARREN HAS HAD WITH THE ART GROUP, UM, BEFORE
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THEY CAME UP WITH THIS PLAN? I AM NOT EXACTLY SURE.THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS I WAS INVOLVED IN THE LAST MEETING I SAT IN ON THAT I CAN FIND THE EXACT NUMBER OF MEETINGS AND GET THAT TO YOU TOMORROW THOUGH.
SO, I MEAN, I, I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS WHY IS THERE THAT CONDITION? UM, IF THEY HAVE NOT, UNLESS THERE'S SOME ASPECT OF THE ART COMMISSION THAT THEY HAVE NOT FOLLOWED, WELL, WHY WOULD YOU PUT IN THAT CONDITION IN THERE IF THEY'VE MET WITH THEM REGULARLY, IF THEY'VE GOTTEN THEIR INPUT, THEY LISTENED AND THEY BASICALLY DON'T HAVE ANY DISAGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE TWO ORGANIZATIONS.
WHY ARE WE PUTTING THAT CONDITION IN THERE? THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
AND, UM, I CAN STRIKE THAT CONDITION.
WHY WOULDN'T WE ONLY STRIKE IT IF IT NEEDS TO BE STRICKEN? UM, SO I GUESS MAYBE, MAYBE DARK AND FILL IT, FILL THAT QUESTION IN, BUT I'M JUST THE FLOOR TURNED AS TO WHY IT CAME UP IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I DON'T TELL YOU WHAT MY CONCERNS ARE WITH THAT.
UM, I USE THE CARROLLTON STATION ALL THE TIME BECAUSE IT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO GET INTO A MAVERICK SKEIN AND NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH PARKING DOWN FIVE AMERICAN AIRLINES CENTER.
AND THERE HAS BEEN SOME VANDALISM OF THE ARTWORK THERE.
AND SO MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT WHEN WE PUT ART IN THAT FACILITY, IT'S OBVIOUSLY, UM, THERE'S AN EXPENSE TO THAT.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE EASILY VANDALIZED.
AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF SECURITY MEASURES THERE ARE FOR THOSE STATIONS, AS FAR AS VIDEO CAMERAS ARE CONCERNED AND COUNT THAT TIME SAVING, ACHIEVE ADDISON OF POLICE RESPONSE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, UH, THINK I CAN HAVE CARL ANSWER.
UM, HE'S, HE'S ON THE, ON THE CALL THERE, HE'LL, HE'LL BE ABLE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT DART SECURITY AND HOW IT TIES IN WITH, WITH ADDISON PD.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR WILSON? YEAH.
WELL, SO ONE MORE, UH, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN HAS THAT BEEN VETTED BY, BY JANA AND HER PARKS AND REC PEOPLE, YOU KNOW? YES, IT HAS.
SO CARL, IF YOU WILL JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR OUR RECORDS BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS, PLEASE.
UH, CARL CARL EIGHT 2201 MAIN STREET, SUITE 1280.
SHE HAS THE SAME ADDRESS AS KEESHA HAD.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW KESHA WAS ON THE AGENDA UNTIL SHE SHOWED UP ON THE ZOOM MEETING.
I WAS LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE? UM, FIRST OF ALL, A PHYLLIS, I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN YEARS.
GLAD TO SEE YOU THERE, PHYLLIS, I GUESS I'VE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT BILLS.
I HAVE A BEARD NOW, SO YOU MAY NEVER SEEN IT.
UM, UH, WHAT, UM, OUR PERMA IS REPRESENTING GUARDEDNESS REQUESTS ON THE SILVER LINE.
UM, AS WELL AS, AS I SAID, THIS IS, I GUESS PROBABLY ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF THE LINE.
AND THAT SAYS WITH SOME STATIONS IN THE PLANO AREA, THE CLOSEST STATION TO THIS SIDE IS AN OLD TRAIL STATION THERE IN DALLAS, AN OLD TRAIL ON THE LINE.
IT HAS NO PARKING AT THAT STATION.
IT'S JUST A, DROP-OFF REALLY A BUS RELATED STATION, MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, THIS STATION IS OBVIOUSLY BEING BUILT RIGHT AT THE TRANSIT CENTER.
UM, TWO PLATFORMS FOR CANOPIES, UH, THEY'VE MET NUMEROUS TIMES AND IT WASN'T, I DON'T KNOW EITHER HOW MANY TIMES THEY'VE MET.
UM, IT WAS BEFORE I GOT INVOLVED.
UH, BUT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, UH, THROUGH THE DARK REPRESENTATIVES.
WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE AND ON WITH THE ARTS COMMITTEE AND EVERYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS A BELT AND SUSPENDERS IS THE REASON FOR THAT CONDITION.
UH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, UH, FOR SECURITY OF THE STATIONS, UM, ALL HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS THAT ARE TIED INTO BOTH DARK LADIES AND I BELIEVE LOCAL POLICE.
I CAN FIND THAT ANSWER AND I'LL, I'LL LET WILSON KNOW, UH, PROBABLY TOMORROW.
I KNOW OBVIOUSLY DART HAS THEIR OWN POLICE FORCE AND THEY'RE TIED INTO THAT.
AND, UM, THIS IS NOT A LIGHT RAIL LINE, BUT IT'S STILL A TRAIN STATION.
UM, OBVIOUSLY DARK POLICE, UH, RIDES ON THE LINES.
UM, THEY WILL, IN THIS SITUATION TO PER PERSON WHO WAS GOING TO THE MAVERICKS GAME, YOU CAN USE THIS STATION TO GET TO THE CARROLLTON STATION, AND THEN YOU WON'T EVEN HAVE TO DRIVE TO CARROLLTON.
YOU CAN STAY AN ADDISON THE WHOLE TIME AND GO TO THE, UH, FROM THIS STATION TO THE CARROLLTON DOWNTOWN STATION AND THEN GO DOWN, OR I GUESS YOU COULD GO THE OTHER DIRECTION AND GO TO PLANO AND GO DOWN THAT WAY.
UM, SO, UM, THIS, UM, OBVIOUSLY IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN SHILOH STATION AND, UH, PLANO THAT'LL BE BUILT, IT'LL HAVE PARKING ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE NORTHERN PART OF THE AREA TO, UH, END UP AT, UH, DFW AIRPORT.
UM, OTHERWISE I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD WHERE, UM, THE, THE FORTUNATE IN THIS SITUATION IS THERE IS A TRANSIT CENTER THERE, AND WE'RE JUST ADDING
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THE RAIL STATION TO THAT ADJACENT TRANSIT CENTER.SO I GUESS THIS QUESTION AND THIS ANSWER, BUT WHAT ARE THE HOURS OF OPERATION? UH, I, THIS IS, IS CLOSE TO THE LIGHT RAIL IS NOT A 24 HOUR, UM, SITUATION, BUT THEY'LL RUN PROBABLY TO MIDNIGHT OR A LITTLE AFTER.
UH, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON, ON THE ROUTES AND STUFF PROBABLY CLOSED A LITTLE AFTER MIDNIGHT LAST TRAINS AND PROBABLY START, PROBABLY START TOO EARLY FOR MOST OF US.
HOW FAR ALONG ARE YOU IN THE DESIGN ASPECT OF THIS? OH, IT'S DESIGNED, YES.
UM, WE'VE, YOU'RE PROBABLY COMING TO GET PERMITS REAL SOON, OBVIOUSLY, AS WILSON SAID, THEY'RE LAYING TRACK AS WELL.
AND AS WE SPEAK RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY HAVE STARTED LAYING TRACK AND MAKING THE CHANGES TO THE RAILHEADS AND STUFF.
UH, THE TWO DALLAS STATIONS HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
UM, WE'RE WORKING ON THE THREE, UM, PLANO STATIONS.
UH, THEY'RE FALLING A LITTLE BEHIND, UH, BUT THERE'LL BE READY.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S, UM, TWO, TWO STATIONS OR THREE STATIONS IN CARROLLTON OF THE CAR OR LOOKING AT THOSE REALLY NICE PICTURES, THE RENDERINGS THAT WERE SENT TODAY THAT A WILSON PASSED ONTO US.
I THINK IT'S THE VERY FIRST ONE, WHICH SHOWS BOTH OF THE PLATFORMS WITH THE, UH, THE FENCING DOWN THE MIDDLE.
CAN YOU DESCRIBE TO ME HOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET OFF THE BUSES AND GET ON THE WESTBOUND SLASH SOUTHBOUND TRAIN, UM, SAFELY? YOU MEAN THE, THE TRACK CLOSEST TO THE TRAIN CENTER OR THE TRACK FURTHER FROM THE TRACKS FURTHER? OKAY.
UM, JUST LIKE ANY OF THE LIGHT RAIL, THERE ARE CROSSINGS THERE AT THE, AT THE PLATFORMS, UM, THAT ARE, UM, UM, AT GRADE.
UM, THAT SHOULD BE, UM, LET ME SEE IF I'VE CONFUSED.
I DON'T SEE ONE, ANY, ANYTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A CROSSING IN WE'LL LOOK AT THE END, AT THE END OF SORT OF THE TWO STATIONS, SEE THAT THE X CROSSHATCHING ON IT.
THOSE ARE THE CROSSINGS AND I'M AT PROBABLY IN YOUR DOCKET.
UH I'LL GUESS IT'S THE FIRST ARCHITECTURAL SITE PLAN.
THE PRETTY PICTURES THAT WERE SENT TODAY, DIDN'T ACTUALLY SHOW THOSE.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE REALLY AT, AT JUST ABOVE TRACK LEVEL.
YOU CAN SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SO YOU CAN WALK ACROSS, BUT THE TRAINS AREN'T GOING TO YOU WON'T BE TRIPPING OVER THE TRACKS IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO I'VE GOT MY EARBUDS IN AND I'M WALKING ACROSS THE TRACK.
WHAT'S GOING TO PREVENT ME OR WARN ME OF AN INCOMING TRAIN WHEN I'M DISTRACTED A VERY LOUD HORN, BUT NO RED FLASHING LIGHTS, UM, AT THE STATIONS THERE'S, SINCE THERE'S NO STREETS, YOU'RE CROSSING THERE, THERE'S USUALLY NOT.
BUT, UM, IT IS A VERY LOUD HORN IN A BELL.
AND ACTUALLY THESE TRAINS WOULD FEEL, UH, EITHER NOT LIGHT RAIL, NOT AS QUIET YOU WOULD, IF YOU HAD EARBUDS ON YOU, YOU'RE PROBABLY DEAD FROM LISTENING.
I HAPPENED TO BE LIVING IN THE, DOING A LOT OF BUSINESS IN HOUSTON WHEN THEY STARTED THEIR LIGHT RAIL.
AND THERE WERE A LOT OF FATALITIES ON THAT LINE BECAUSE THE TRAIN WENT THROUGH THE CBD WHERE NOBODY HAD EVER WORRIED ABOUT TRAINS BEFORE TRAINS UP HERE EITHER.
AND SO I I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A REPLICATION AT TIMES OF WHAT USE DONE WENT THROUGH, UM, BEFORE PEOPLE BEGAN TO REALIZE THAT THERE'S A TREND COMING.
I, I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT SOMEBODY CAN'T TELL IS TRAIN COMING, BUT OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE DON'T, THEY GET DISTRACTED.
SO I'M JUST, AND THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING NOT ONLY AUDIO, BUT ALSO VISUAL.
UM, WELL, I'LL ASK THAT QUESTION.
I KNOW ON THE LIGHT RAIL STATIONS ARE AREN'T IN AND I'M NOT AWARE OF YES, YES.
I'M NOT DENYING THAT SOME OF THEM OR WHATEVER, BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY MORE.
SOMEONE'S JUST, JUST CROSS SEE, WITHOUT REALIZING A TRAIN IS COMING.
AND WHEN THEY GET ON THE STATION HERE, THEY'RE LEAVING.
THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING VERY FAST HERE.
DOES THE TRAIN ALWAYS STOP AT THE STATION OR DOES IT PASS THROUGH THE STOPS? THIS IS THE CROSSING EVERY STATION ON THE LINE.
I WAS GOING TO SAY THE CROSS SAYING THAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE EXISTING AND PLAN FOR ALL THE OTHER STATIONS.
THE STATION DESIGN ARE PRETTY BESIDES THE ART OR THE DESIGN OF THE CANOPIES, THE MECHANICAL PART OF IT.
UH, THE UTILITARIAN PART OF IT IS PRETTY MUCH IT IT'S A TRAIN STATION.
IT'S NOT ALL IT TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME FOR TRAIN STATION.
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SO IT'S KIND OF A BORING, BORING KIND OF IDEA FOR THAT.THE WHEELS ON THE TRAIN GO ROUND AND ROUND, I GUESS.
SO THEY, THE, THE IRRIGATION PLANS AND IN, IN KUDOS ART, AND AS WHOEVER ELSE PUT THIS TOGETHER, THAT THEY REALLY SEEM TO BE EMPHASIZING LOW WATER PLANTINGS.
I'M KIND OF WONDERING WHY THERE APPEARS TO BE A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN EARS WHEN THERE'S A REAL ATTEMPT TO GO KIND OF ZEROSCAPE I THINK ON THE STATION, CAN YOU JUST COMMENT ON THAT? I THINK MOST OF THE IRRIGATION IS EXISTING IRRIGATION.
WE'RE NOT DOING A WHOLE LOT OF NEW STUFF OUT THERE.
AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE, THE SCOPE OF WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, BUT ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY PLANS THAT DART HAS FOR THE PARKING AREA? UM, THERE'LL BE, LONG-TERM SECURED PARKING FOR PEOPLE LIKE GOING TO DFW AND THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT OF TOWN FOR A WEEK OR TWO, YOU KNOW, I, I, I I'VE ASKED, I HAVEN'T, I'VE THOUGHT OF THAT IN THAT QUESTION ABOUT, AROUND AS I HAVE, BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING IF YOU'RE GOING DOWNTOWN AND, AND THEY DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT PARK OVERNIGHT IT'S DISCOURAGED, BUT I CAN SEE WHERE THE INCIDENTS, WHERE IF YOU'RE GOING TO DFW, UM, YOU WOULD PARK OVERNIGHT.
UH, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I CAN GET BACK THAT TO WILSON.
AND IF THAT'S OKAY, WILSON CAN LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT, BECAUSE THAT, THAT WAS A CONCERN OF MINE.
IS, IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YOU WOULD DO.
PEOPLE WILL DO THAT, BUT I COULD SEE THEM A FEW, A FEW EACH MONTH, AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO TO THE MAVERICKS GAME, YOU'RE NOT STAYING OVERNIGHT.
YOU, YOU MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, STAY AT A HOTEL DOWNTOWN SOMEWHERE.
BUT, UH, BUT DFW, PROBABLY OUR OVERNIGHT.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE CATHERINE, BUT WHO ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR CARL? OKAY.
I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M ASSUMING WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR WILSON OR CARL OR PHYLLIS OR ANYBODY TAD THIS TIME? OKAY.
I WILL, UM, ASK FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE.
I WILL, UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CASE 1820, UH, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION THAT IT'D BE BUILT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY THE ADDISON ART AND DESIGN COMMITTEE.
I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT THE SECURITY CAMERAS BE TIMED TO BE OUT OF SOME POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE REGIONAL SPECIFIC OR THE REGIONAL, UM, NINE ONE, ONE ORIGINAL NINE 11 IS FINE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE CAPABILITIES ARE DIFFICULT.
UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, CHECK WITH OUR POLICE CHIEF BEFORE WE COMMIT TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WELL, IF IT'S, IF IT'S TIMED TO NINE ONE, ONE, UM, I RIDE DARK A LOT AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THAT KIND OF CAPABILITY.
SO EILEEN, I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE ON THE PLANS.
THERE WERE NOTED SOME CCTV CLOSED CIRCUIT, TV CAMERAS PROBABLY FOR DART USE.
THEN, UM, ONE COMPROMISE WOULD BE MAYBE TO, AS THE DARK CONSIDER PUTTING IN NINE ONE, ONE CALL STATIONS, UH, WHERE SOMEONE COULD RUN UP, HIT A BUTTON AND IT GOES TO EITHER APP OR THE REGIONAL NINE 11 CENTER.
UM, I'M THINKING THOUGH, THAT, THAT THE TV ASPECT, THE CLOSE CIRCUIT IS REALLY, PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT FROM A VANDALISM PERSPECTIVE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
SO THAT'S NOT A NINE ONE, ONE ISSUE MAYBE, MAYBE NOT, BUT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM AND HAVING BEEN ON DARN AS MANY TIMES AS I HAVE, YES, OCCASIONALLY YOU WILL SEE A DARK OFFICER ON A TRAIN AND USUALLY NOT ALWAYS IS, IS IT WHEN I'M GOING TO MAVERICK'S GAME WHERE THERE ARE MOBS OF PEOPLE AND SO THEY HAVE SECURITY, BUT THERE ARE TIMES THAT I'VE BEEN ON HIM, HE'S SEEING NO SECURITY.
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SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO PROTECT THIS INCREDIBLE ASSET THAT ADDISON IS GETTING, WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE ONE WE HAVE.AND THEN IF THAT FAILS, THEN WE, THEN YOU COULD PUT ANY EMOTION UP.
IS THAT CORRECT TAB? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO ALL IN FAVOR OF THE FIRST MOTION AND THE SECOND SAY, AYE.
SO, UH, EILEEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO A NEW MOTION PLEASE? SURE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY THE ADDISON ARKHAM DESIGN COMMITTEE BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AND THAT THE SECURITY CAMERAS, THE, THE FEED FROM THE SECURITY CAMERAS AND BE AVAILABLE SO THAT, UM, ADDISON POLICE OR WHAT OTHER, WHATEVER OTHER, UM, POLICE FACILITY NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND IN A TIMELY MANNER.
SO, UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF OUR NEW MOTION, SAY, AYE, AYE.
SO MOTION CARRIES WITH OUR NEW INDUSTRY.
[4. FINAL PLAT/LOT 1, BLOCK A, EXCEL PARKWAY ADDITION. Presentation and Consideration of a Final Plat for a Lot Totaling 9.975 Acres Located Generally at 4545 Excel Parkway.]
NEXT CASE IS FINAL FLAT LOT ONE BLOCKADE XL PARFAIT, ADDITION, PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION, AND CONSIDERATION OF A FINAL PLAT FOR A LOT.TOTALING 0.975 ACRES LOCATED GENERALLY AT 45 95 XL PARKWAY AND WILSON WERE OLDER.
I DON'T KNOW WHO IS UP FOR TODAY, BUT WHO'S HAVING, UH, THE STAFF REPORT WILL BE ME THIS TIME AS WELL.
UM, SO THIS, THIS IS A FINAL PLATFORM, AS YOU SAID, A LOT, ONE BLOCK OF, UH, THE XL PARKWAY EDITION LOCATED AT FOUR FIVE NINE FIVE XL PARKWAY NEAR THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF XCEL PARKWAY.
ANNOUNCING A LOT LAWN CURRENTLY CONTAINS THE NEWLY BUILT HEADQUARTERS FOR HED K ARCHITECTS.
UH, IN 2019, THE PROPERTY UNDERWENT A ZONING PROCESS TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF A TWO-STORY 12,754 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING THIS PLAT DOCUMENT, ESTABLISHES DRAINAGE, WATER, AND SPIRALING EASEMENTS DEDICATED TO THE TOWN.
THE, UH, THE PROPERTY HAS ALSO RECORDED THROUGH SEPARATE INSTRUMENTS WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, A DRAINAGE EASEMENT ON THE EAST SIDE AND A WATER EASEMENT.
ON THE WEST SIDE, THE PLOT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY TOWN STAFF AND FOUND TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO NO CONDITIONS.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR WILSON AT THIS POINT? NOPE.
UM, IS THERE APPLICANT HERE? DO THEY WANT TO SPEAK? YEAH.
JOSH JESSICA ENGINEERING SURVEY AND CONSULTANT ON, ON ONLINE, JUST IN CASE THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY STATEMENTS TODAY.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOSH? NO, IT'S A GREAT LOOKING BUILDING.
ARE QUIET, SUPER EXCITED ABOUT IT.
IT WAS A BIG, BIG MOVE FOR THEM AND THEIR COMPANY TO CONTINUE TO GROW.
SO THERE WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
SO COMMISSIONER, ANY QUESTIONS? ANY, ANYTHING FURTHER? OKAY.
SO ASK FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE FINAL PLOT BLOCK WOUND.
PAQUET XCEL PARKWAY FOR, UH, AS PLANNED SECOND.
SO, UM, I KNOW IT'S NOT ON THE SCHEDULE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ON A PERSONAL NOTE, UM, THAT I HOPE I WAS EFFECTIVE FOR MY FIVE TERMS AS COMMISSIONER SERVING AS VICE CHAIR AND CHAIRMAN FOR MOST OF THOSE YEARS.
UM, THANK YOU TO ALL MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS PAST AND PRESENT FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND FRIENDSHIP.
THANK YOU TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SERVE.
THANK YOU TO CARMEN, CHARLES AND OLGA FOR MAKING THIS JOB MANAGEABLE AND A SPECIAL THANK YOU FOR MY DEAR FRIEND, ROB DOHERTY.