Dec 08, 2020 Work Session and Regular Meeting

IS A STRAIGHT A STUDENT, MY, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF CELEBRATIONS OF FAMILY THINGS AND THE, THE, THE LITTLE SIGN, THE LITTLE FLAGS THAT YOU SEE BETTER DISPLAYED ON HOUSES.

SO IF YOU WANT TO REALLY DEAL WITH THE CONTENT NEUTRAL PROVISION, YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH A BLANKET PROVISION REGARDING FLAGS WITHOUT A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TYPES OF FLAGS.

SO WHAT, WHAT WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO DO IS ADDRESS THE TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL FLAGS THAT YOU SEE WITH, YOU KNOW, MY KIDS ON THE VARSITY FOOTBALL TEAM.

MY, YOU KNOW, MY PRESCHOOLER

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SO THIS WAS AN INTERIM STEP.

UM, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT A FINAL STEP, WE CAN BRING FORWARD SOMETHING THAT DOES THAT.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE OTHER SIZE, LIKE A FLAG IS THE SIZE ISSUE, RIGHT? SO THAT ALL FALL UNDER WELL, OR YOU PICK UP A SIZE BASED ON THE HEIGHT FROM THE GROUND.

SO A FLAG THAT'S ON A 30 FOOT FLAGPOLE WOULD CLEARLY NEED TO BE LARGER THAN A FLAG THAT'S HANGING OFF OF AN ARM ON YOUR HOUSE.

SO I THINK YOU WOULD DO THAT BY THE HEIGHT OF THE FLAG DISPLAY, NOT THE TYPE OF FLAG DISPLAY BRANDON, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CONTENT NEUTRAL, UM, IS THAT RELATING TO THAT SUPPORT A SUPREME COURT RULING? YOU WERE, YOU BROUGHT UP A SUPREME COURT RULING GILBERT VERSUS SOMEBODY WHEN WE WERE GETTING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ESTATE SALE SIGNS AND GARAGE SALE SCIENCES.

ARE YOU KIND OF REFERRING TO DO THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CONTENT NEUTRAL? YES.

SO THE TWO CHANGES SUGGESTED ARE ELIMINATE THAT IT'S UNLIMITED HOW IT'S MOUNTED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

AND THEN THE SECOND IS THAT IT'S NOW CHANGED TO ONE OTHER FLAG FOR GRANTS.

THAT'S FAIR.

IT COULD BE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT ANY LIMIT OR JUST, WELL, IF YOU THINK ABOUT CORPORATIONS, THEY OFTEN HAVE A US, A STATE AND A CORPORATE FLAG, AND THOSE WOULD BE ON FLAGPOLES.

SO, UM, YOU COULD HAVE A LIMIT OF FLAGS BASED ON PERMANENT FLAG POLES INTO THE GROUND.

I'M NOT SURE I'D RECOMMEND THAT, BUT I'M JUST GIVING YOU SOME GUIDANCE ON HOW YOU COULD GO ABOUT REGULATING.

CAN WE USE ANY LANGUAGE, LIKE NOT A PRUDENT OR, OR DISK OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES SENSE? I MEAN, TO SAY I CAN, CAN YOU NOT JUST SAY IN A WORD THAT SORT OF, YOU CAN, BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT PROSECUTABLE, IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE.

OTHERWISE IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE.

THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, IT'S A BAR, IT'S PART OF THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW.

WE'VE EXPERIENCES THAT HAVE BEEN SOME INSTANCES WHERE THE LANGUAGE IS VAGUE.

IT'S AN, IT'S A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION.

SO SOME PERSON, ONE PERSON WILL SAY, THIS IS JUST FINE.

ANOTHER PERSON WILL SAY, THIS IS NOT, THAT'S AN ARGUMENT, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS.

WELL, MY I, THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE'S BEEN, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THERE'S BEEN SOME COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE SURFACED.

AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, IT'S KIND OF BROUGHT IT TO THE FOREFRONT.

AND I AM AN ADVOCATE FOR THE HOMEOWNER TO USE THEIR DISCRETION, UM, MORE SO THAN I AM TO BE SO SPECIFIC ABOUT HOW MANY FLAGS, HOW YOU PUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MICROMANAGING, HOW RESIDENTS EXPRESS THEMSELVES FOR THEIR SCHOOL SPIRIT OR THEIR PRESCHOOLERS, YOU KNOW, STRAIGHT A'S OR WHATEVER.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I TEND TOWARDS BAG, BUT I SEE YOUR POINT ABOUT NOT BEING PROSECUTABLE.

KNOW MY POINT IS WHATEVER GOOGLE IS, WHAT I THOUGHT, BUT I'LL, WE GO INTO A NEW FORCE THAT IF YOU DON'T ENFORCE THAT, THEN WHATEVER RULES MEANS NOTHING.

SO IF WANT TO DO IT, YOU HAVE TO BE A LOOP SPECIFIC.

THEN EVEN THOUGH IT IS ENFORCEABLE, WE HAVE PERSON TO ENFORCE IT.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS MY CONSTANT.

WELL, YOU COULD ALWAYS SAY THAT FLAT, UH, SIGNAGE DISPLAY BY RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNERS IS NOT REGULATED BY THE TOWN.

I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE COMPLAINS ABOUT SIGNS, DOES IT FORCE YOU IN TO CREATING REGULATIONS? IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE BUSINESS OF TELLING HOMEOWNERS WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT PUT IN THEIR YARD WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PERHAPS A SIZE LIMITATION, THEN

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YOU CAN, YOU CAN DECIDE THAT, UM, UH, OBVIOUSLY MOST, UH, I WILL SAY MANY CITIES DON'T, DON'T REGULATE IT.

SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S UP TO YOU.

IF YOU TELL US WHAT YOU WANT, WE CAN DRAFT ACCORDINGLY.

I HAPPEN TO LIKE BITE SIZE AND BEING ON THAT CRITIC, I CAN ENVISION SOMEONE THAT EATING A 70 FOOT POLE, OR I'M JUST SAYING, THERE'S, THERE'S A REASONABLENESS TEST FOR ME ON SIZE, AS YOU WERE INDICATING.

I DIDN'T THINK THESE WERE HAD ON THAT.

I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE INSTANCE OF ANY COMPLAINT THAT I'VE SEEN THAT WOULD, WOULD CONSTITUTE ME MAKING A DECISION TO MANDATE ANY SIGNAGE.

I JUST DON'T SEE A FLAG OR ASSIGNED PROBLEM, BUT I, FOR THAT REASON, I'M NOT SO INCLINED TO BE IN FAVOR OF TOO MUCH SPECIFICS AS IT PERTAINS TO TELLING A HOMEOWNER WHAT THEY CAN PUT ON THEIR HOUSE AND WHAT SIZE IT NEEDS TO DO, NOT HERE, BUT ELSEWHERE.

I'VE SEEN HIM PULL A LITTLE BIT, I THINK MAYBE THIS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HERE A POLE LIKE, UH, WAS THERE A BIG FLAT, POORLY HIGH, REALLY HIGH, REALLY HIGH.

WELL, AND, AND I, THIS ORDINANCE PREDATES ME AND THE STAFF, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, UM, BUT, UH, BUT THE POINT, THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE WITH THAT SAYING THAT IS THAT AT SOME POINT THERE WAS THE COMMUNITY FELT LIKE THERE NEEDED TO BE A LIMIT ON, ON THIS.

UM, NOW THINGS ARE DIFFERENT NOW THAN THEY WERE THEN FOR OFFERING A MINI RATE RESPECTS.

I THINK AT A MINIMUM, THE THING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED WOULD BE JUST BECAUSE OF LEGAL PRECEDENT IS THINGS RELATED TO CON THE REGULATION OF CONTENT.

UM, AND THEN, SO THIS GOES TO KIND OF, DO YOU COUNCIL MEMBER WORRIED ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE YOU'RE SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM IN, AND MAYBE YOU DON'T SEE THAT IN ADDISON, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE, THAT, THAT THEY'RE NECESSARILY COULD BE, BUT YOU MAY NOT SEE IT MADISON BECAUSE THIS ORDINANCE HAS BEEN IN PLACE AND IT'S, EVERYBODY KIND OF KNOWS WHAT, WHAT IS, AND ISN'T ACCEPTABLE.

UM, SO THAT, THAT MAY BE PART OF THAT.

UM, UH, SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND, AS WE THINK THROUGH THIS AND HOW, HOW WE WANT TO, TO, TO WHAT NUMBERS WE WANT TO SETTLE ON, BECAUSE THAT STEP BACK HERE FOR A SECOND, IF WE'RE NOT REGULATING FLAGS, FOR EXAMPLE, BASED ON GOVERNMENTAL VERSUS NON-GOVERNMENTAL BECAUSE OF CONTENT, UH, ISSUES, THEN YOU'RE ALLOWED THREE FLAGS, RIGHT? JUST UNDER THAT.

AND THEN IF YOU WANTED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, UT OR A AND M YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S FOUR OR FIVE, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF, IF JUST, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, SO THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND HERE.

AS YOU'RE TALKING, THINKING THROUGH THIS IS, IS FIVE FLAGS TOO MANY IS, OR IS IT NOT ENOUGH? I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE PART, BECAUSE AT ONE POINT, AT WHAT POINT DOES THE COMMUNITY SAY, ALL RIGHT, THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

SO LET ME ADD THAT.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, FLAGS ARE NOT DESIGNATED FOR RESIDENTIAL BACK IN THE DAY, WHEN ALL THESE SIGN ORDINANCES WERE DRAFTED, CITIES WERE DEALING WITH THE CAR DEALERSHIPS THAT HAVE THESE HUGE FLAGS.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE THIS SIZE AND HEIGHT THINGS STARTED COMING FROM.

UM, BUT, AND THIS WAS TYPICAL IN THE DAY.

AND, UH, I CAN TELL YOU FROM DRAFTING ORDINANCES, SOMETIMES ORDINANCE PROVISIONS GET PUT IN PLACE BECAUSE THEY'RE TYPICAL IN OTHER CITIES, NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSED AND THE POLICY WAS DECIDED ABOUT THEM.

SO RIGHT NOW THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT ADDRESS FLAGS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

IT DEALS WITH GOVERNMENTAL FLAGS THAT ARE INTENDED TO BE ON FLAG POLES IN THE GROUND.

SO IF YOU WANT TO MODIFY THAT, WE CAN

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DO THAT.

OR IF YOU WANT TO JUST TAKE THE CURRENT REGULATION, MAKE IT MORE CONTENT NEUTRAL, HAVE A SIZE BASED ON A HEIGHT AND A NUMBER.

THEN WE CAN DO THAT.

IT'D BE APPLICABLE TO COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.

SO ARE YOU PREPARED TO, TO SUGGEST TO HYPOTHESIZE, BUT YEAH, WELL, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IS 30 FEET.

IT'S 30 FEET, ROUGHLY 40 SQUARE FOOT.

BUT IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN 10 FEET OFF THE GROUND, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A 40 SQUARE FOOT FLAT.

THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE.

SO, BUT THAT'S WHERE I KIND OF GET INTO COUNCILMAN WARD'S POSITION THAT, OKAY.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT LIMIT OF MAX, BUT LIMITED MAX, BUT NOT A FORMULA THAT SAYS, DECIDE THIS SIZE, MAX, FOR ANY OF THE FLAGS, WHAT ARE YOU SPENDING THREE OR FOUR, PICK A NUMBER, RIGHT? INCLUDING STATE EVERYTHING.

THAT'S ALL, ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF, BECAUSE THE SIGNAGE IS DIFFERENT.

THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING, RIGHT? I MEAN, EXPERT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN ESTATE SALE YARD, SALE ROXANNE, OR WHATEVER THAT IS, AND THAT'S IT.

AND THAT CAN STAY UP PERMANENTLY IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT A SIGN LIKE THAT.

THEY DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY LIMIT ABOUT THE LENGTH OF TIME.

AND THEN WHAT ABOUT, THIS IS ANOTHER, WHAT ABOUT ADVERTISING SIGNS? UM, SAME THING JUST LIMIT ONE.

AND YOU CAN PUT, PUT IT UP IN YOUR YARD AND KEEP IT THERE FOREVER.

THAT WOULD BE A CONTENT QUESTION.

RIGHT? SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD FALL UNDER THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONTROL THAT BECAUSE I SEE THIS ALL THE TIME AS PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY'VE GOT SOMEBODY WORKING ON THEIR, ON THEIR SHINGLES, RIGHT.

THEY SH FAB ASSIGNMENT.

WELL, YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING THE FRONT TO CONTROL THAT.

JUST SAY, WHEN YOU GET A BUILDING PERMIT, YOU CAN PUT A SIGN IN THERE FOR THAT, FOR THAT ADDRESS, YOU'VE BEEN PERMITTED TO REALLY WORK ON, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT'D BE IMPOSSIBLE, BUT ALSO LIKE A REALTOR WOULDN'T BE ASSIGNED IF HE'S ALL THAT'S.

SO IT'S VERY COMMON TO PROMOTE.

I SURE WOULD.

I KNOW YOU'VE BROUGHT UP THAT SUPREME COURT RULING, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVER I'D LOVE TO SEE A COPY OF THAT TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.

I DON'T HAVE ANY TO PROVIDE THAT.

ALL OF MY, UM, BRIEFING TO THE COUNCIL ON THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WHAT ABOUT THE PINK FLAMINGOS THAT GO ON THE ARTS FOR FUNDRAISERS? ARE WE GOING TO GET COMPLAINTS THAT IT EXCEEDS THE NUMBER OF FLAGS OR SIGNS AND THEY ARE, AND THEN BEFORE IT'S TO ENFORCE IT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT FORCED TO TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION COUNCILS AND STAFF ALL THE TIME HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT ALLOCATING RESOURCES FOR ENFORCEMENT.

SO THE FACT THAT SOMEONE COMPLAINS DOESN'T REQUIRE ENFORCEMENT, IT MAY REQUIRE A RESPONSE TO THE COMPLAINANT, BUT NOT ENFORCEMENT.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ENFORCE IT THOUGH WHY THE RULE IS CORRECT.

OF THE INTENT FOR THAT WAS TO STOP THE, THE OBSCENE PROLIFERATION OF, OF, UH, UH, LOCAL POLITICAL SIGNS IN PROXIMITY TO THE, UH, TO THE POLLING PLACE.

JUST THAT IDEA OF THE PAST ELECTION POLLING PLACES TO SEE HOW MANY SIGNS YEAH.

LOTS OF SIZES.

SO IT'S HARD TO REMEMBER WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE, BUT HOW YOU ENFORCE IT.

SO WELL, I'D SAY ON THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FOUR FOR LOCAL COUNCIL ELECTIONS, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S AN ORDINANCE, SO IT'S NOT A GENTLEMAN SCREEN, THERE'S AN ORDINANCE AND THERE'S A SEPARATE.

SO IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO RUN FOR COUNCIL AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO RESPECT THE LAW AND LOCAL LAW, THEN THAT REFLECTS SOMETHING OF QUALITY THAT CANDIDATE.

SO I SEE THAT APPLICABLE REALLY JUST FOR HER ELECTIONS AND NOT FOR PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS OR, OR, YOU KNOW, PARTISAN ELECTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT I DON'T, I DON'T CONCERN MYSELF WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S THE THING I THINK WE'RE BETTER.

THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING

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AND, AND WELL, THE, THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT, HOW WE, WE, UH, WE ENFORCED THAT AS CERTAINLY, UM, GERMANE TO THE ENFORCEMENT QUESTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, THE TOPIC OF POLITICAL SCIENCE IS NOT PART OF THIS DISCUSSION.

WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY IN AN UPCOMING COUNCIL MEETING, UH, RELATED TO THAT.

BUT, UM, UM, SO THERE'S, SO STEPPING BACK HERE TO THIS, WE'VE GOT A PORTION OF THIS ASKING QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE SIGNS AND THEN THE FLAGS.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT FLAGS, UM, REGARDING THE SIGNED STUFF.

UH, IS THERE ANY, ANY THOUGHT OR DIRECTION, UM, ON THE RECOMMENDATION PUT FORTH BY STAFF HERE ON THE SIGNAGE, AS IT RELATES TO SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE ON A FLAG? UM, I DUNNO WHAT ALL KINDS OF MESSAGING, UM, WOULDN'T THAT FALL UNDER GOODNIGHT FALL UNDER SOMETHING SIMILAR AS WITH CONTENT NEUTRAL, UM, RULING ON, ON YARD SIGNS, SIGNS, SIGNS, RIGHT? AGAIN, AS I EXPRESSED EARLIER, THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO BE AN END ALL DO ALL.

THIS WAS INTENDED TO ADDRESS A SPECIFIC ISSUE, NOT TO REWRITE THE SIGN ORDINANCE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE RATIONALE FOR THE FLAGS ALSO APPLIES TO THE SCIENCE.

YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I WOULD KIND OF LOVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR LEGAL OPINION ON CONTENT, NEUTRAL, WHATEVER, UM, WHATEVER YOU MIGHT HAVE OR SHARE WITH US BEFORE PROCEEDING DOWN THIS PATH, WE'RE HOME AND NORTH SIDE BANNERS AND STUFF.

I LIKE THE PROPOSAL BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE US HAVING AN ORDINANCE THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE VIOLATING.

SO I, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD SOLUTION.

AND IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIGGER DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT, THAT'S OUR WIDE ARRANGING, THAT'S A GOOD THING, BUT I LIKE TAKING ACTION BECAUSE IT'S A LEGITIMATE COMMENT FROM PEOPLE WHEN THEY SAY THAT THEY OBJECT TO THE SIGN AND IT IS IN THE ORDINANCE FOR INHIBITS.

I HAVE A HARD TIME LETTING THAT STATE.

SO I, I THINK THIS IS A REASONABLE PROPOSAL SCIENCE WITH AN UNDERSTANDING, THEY'LL BE A BIGGER DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT, I'M FINE WITH THIS.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED TO DEMAND IT, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO DO IT, BUT AT LEAST WEIGHT OF 17, TWO BASED ON.

SO BEING CRITICIZED, YOU KNOW, YOU ALLOW THIS SUPER LONG, ALL THAT.

YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BASIS.

SO AT LEAST GIVE US SOME BASE AND WHERE I'M AT ON THE SIGNS, JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, EXCUSE ME, THE FLAGS WE TAKE, I WOULD TAKE OUT ANYTHING THAT DETAILS, WHERE THERE WERE, HOW THEY ARE PUT UP TO THE DIFFERENT WORD, SOME AVOIDING DRINKING, THE IMPORTING, ALL THE OTHER WORDS.

AND THEN I WOULD DO THREE BEHIND THE GOVERNMENT SIGNS AND I'D GO WITH THE 30 FOOT HEIGHT AND I'D GO WITH THE 40 SQUARE FEET AND FOLLOWED THE MIRRORS OF THE BILLS.

BUT WE AMENDED IF IT DOESN'T WORK.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT PUTS US IN COMPLIANCE WHERE WE WANT TO BE AS A COMMUNITY.

IS, IF, IS IF WE GO WITH WHAT'S PROPOSED RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO THE LITTLE FLAG IN THE GROUND.

SO WOULD THAT, THAT THOUGHT IF, IF SOMEBODY HAS A, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, IT JUST, I CALL IT LIKE A LITTLE BANNER.

UM, IT'S GOT A LITTLE POST THAT STICKS A LITTLE METAL POST AND THE METAL POST STICKS IN THE GROUND, AND IT'S GOT A LITTLE BANNER HANGING ON IT.

IT SAYS, USE THE CODERS, USE ANY ALL KINDS OF MESSAGING, RIGHT.

SO IS THAT A, IS THAT A FLAG OR IS IT A DECORATIVE THING? YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU GOT TO PICK ONE OR THE OTHER, IF YOU WANTED TO REGULATE THINGS.

AND I WOULD HATE TO INTRODUCE, UH, SOME OTHER NOMENCLATURE FOR BAND ROOM.

I GUESS WE COULDN'T USE BAND.

THAT'S PRETTY DIFFICULT, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING TO REALLY HOLE IN TERMS OF TIME TO SEGREGATE OUT CLASSES.

I, I AGREE.

I THINK OF THAT AS A FLAG, I MAY BE WRONG, BUT THAT'S THE BAD THING.

SO IF YOU, IF WE, I KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING, THEY'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE ACTION, UH, VOTE CONSENSUS.

SO LET ME, LET ME FINISH LATER.

RIGHT? I GET IT.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING

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I DON'T BELIEVE RIGHT.

THE WORDING ON.

I THOUGHT THERE WERE SOME WORDING THAT HAD TO BE ON THE HOUSE.

CHECK THAT OUT, TAKE THAT OUT.

OH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THAT OUT ABOUT HOW IT'S MOUNTED OR WHATEVER.

SO IT JUST AS LONG, YOUR, WELL, I HAVEN'T SAID GO WITH THIS TOO.

SO NOW WE'RE EDITING, BUT THAT'S WHAT I HAVEN'T SAID.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAN THINK ABOUT TOO HERE IS AS YOU'RE AS YOUR, AND THIS IS NUANCE.

AND SO THAT WAS IN THE DETAILS, BUT I THINK THERE ARE DIFFERENT ISSUES, RIGHT? ONE IS, IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE FLAGPOLE, IT'S NOT MAKING THAT MAKES SURE IT'S NOT THE FLAGPOLE OF MAP, RIGHT.

IT'S GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO HEAVEN.

SO KEEP THAT AT A CERTAIN HEIGHT, RIGHT? THAT, THAT ADDRESSES THAT.

BUT THEN INSTEAD OF WORRYING ABOUT HOW IT'S DISPLAYED, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHETHER IT'S HUNG OR MOUNTED OR WHATEVER, POSTED IN THE GROUND, YOU JUST FOCUS ON FOR WHEN YOU PICK THE NUMBER FOUR FLAGS DISPLAYED.

AND THEN AT THAT, I MEAN THAT ANY REASONABLE PERSON, A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD LOOK AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IS HERE.

BUT, UH, WHAT A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, OKAY, THAT'S STUCK IN THE GROUND VERSUS HANGING FROM THE GARAGE DOOR.

IT'S STILL A DISPLAYING OF THE FLAG.

YOU KNOW, THAT IT MEETS THE NUMBERS AND BANG ON THE WATER.

YOU COULD ALSO SAY THAT FLAGS OR BANNERS LESS, THAT ARE THREE SQUARE FEET OR LESS ARE NOT REGULATED.

SO THAT IF YOU HAVE A LITTLE THING, IT'S NOT COUNTED TOWARDS YOUR THREE, IT'S UP TO YOU, HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT.

BUT AGAIN, IF YOU TELL US WHAT YOU WANT, WE CAN DRAFT, I'M LIKING WHAT THOMPSON, WHICH WE LIMIT IT TO THREE.

AND THEN WE REMOVED THE UPON A FLAGPOLE.

IS THAT THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S FAIR.

WAS THREE IN ADDITION TO COVER DOWN, RIGHT? NO.

SORRY.

NO.

STAFFS WAS ONE FLAG IN ADDITION TO .

I DO LIKE, THOUGH WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

CAUSE I'M THINKING OF THE 250 MINI FLAGS WE PUT OUT AT VETERAN'S DAY OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE CUTE LITTLE GARDEN FLAG THERE A LITTLE BIT.

I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST A LITTLE DECORATIVE PEOPLE'S PERSONAL EXPRESSION AND THEIR GARDENS AND THEIR CREATIVITY.

YOU DON'T WANT TO REGULATE IT OUT.

I LIKE THAT IDEA.

WHY DON'T WE EXEMPT THE SMALL FLAGS? WHAT BRENDA SAID EARLIER WAS I SAID THREE SQUARE FEET.

NO, SHE'S NOT SAYING SHE'S NOT SAYING THAT THAT APPLIES TO THE FLAGS THAT YOU WILL DISPLAY.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE EXAMPLE YOU TELL ME.

I THINK IF YOU GO TO THE, IF YOU GO GET ONE OF THOSE LITTLE THINGS, THAT'S ON A, IT'S GOING TO NOT BE MORE THAN THREE, THREE SQUARE FEET, JUST LIKE A REGULAR, YOU KNOW? SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS A LOT OF THE FLAG OR SOMETHING.

IT'S LIKE NATIONAL FLAGS SMALLER.

YOU CAN PUT IT MAYBE HUNDREDS SO IT CAN BE EXEMPTED.

IT'S OUT.

WE NEED TO EXEMPT PILOTS WILL FEED IS STILL PRETTY LARGE.

IF YOU HAVE UNLIMITED, IT'S GOING TO BE TERRIBLE.

SO IT COULD BE TWO SQUARE FEET.

I MEAN, IVAN SQUARE FOR THAT DAY, WE PAY, HOWEVER YOU DEFINE SMALL FLAGS.

SOME PEOPLE LINE THE SIDEWALK AND THE HO YOU KNOW, WITH THE AMERICAN FLAGS.

CUTE LITTLE, YEAH.

I BET IT'D BE FOR MY HOUSE.

PROBABLY PUT UP 400 OF THEM AROUND MY LOCKS, DO SOME RESEARCH ON WHAT THE TYPICALS LIKE SIZES AND FOR THE ONES THAT ARE USELESS, LIKE YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

DOES THAT GIVE YOU WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR? I THINK IT'S A GOOD START.

IT'S A GOOD START.

UH, SO LET'S, LET'S, LET'S DO THIS.

LET'S PRESS PAUSE.

AND WHY DID WE CAPTURE IT SO FAR? SO, SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T CARE.

I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DICTATE WHETHER IT'S ON A POLE, ON A HOUSE, HOW IT'S, HOW IT'S MOUNTED ON THE FLAGS.

HOW'S THE SPOUSES DISPLAYED.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR A POLE FOR THE FLAG, I GUESS, OF 30 FEET.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE MAXIMUM SIZES THAT THEY RECOMMEND ITSELF.

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AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT HOW I LIKE TO JUST SAY YOU CAN HAVE FOUR FLAGS.

RIGHT? I TOLD, I MEAN, WHETHER YOU TOO, WELL, TRUST ME, WE'RE SAYING THREE, THREE GOVERNMENTAL PLUS ONE.

THAT'S ALL, THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT WAS UP THERE.

AND I'M LIKE, AND I THINK I HAVE A, WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE OTHER ONE.

RIGHT? I MEAN, YEAH, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE YOU SAID, IF SOMEBODY WAS LIKE, IT'S LIKE TEXAS, OH YOU, WELL, OR US TEXAS MARINE CORPS.

RIGHT? HOW MANY RESIDENTIAL HOMES REALLY HAVE A US FLAG? AND THEN A STATE FLAG? I DON'T KNOW, MANY HAVE ASKED SOME FLAGS.

I ALWAYS USED TO FLY STATE AND TECH AND ALL MY FLAGPOLE.

I MIGHT NOW BECAUSE I HAVE A FLAGPOLE, BUT I'M JUST LIKE A TRUNK WITHIN THE ORCHESTRA.

IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE ARBITRARY.

SO DO WE JUST PICK A NUMBER FIVE MAYBE AND SAY, AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE'LL CHANGE IT LATER.

IT MAY NOT BE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE FLY THAT ANY FLAGS.

BUT IT MAY BE ONE.

AND IF, IF YOU GET, IF WE START GETTING PHONE CALLS FROM, FROM FOLKS SAYING, HEY, THIS PERSON HAS TOO MANY FLAGS, THEN, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN WE TO DEAL WITH IT.

BUT, BUT IT'S BETTER TO DEAL WITH CLARITY.

THEN, YOU KNOW, AN ISSUE WHERE YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT COULD GO EITHER WAY.

AND IT'S JUST A POINT OF CONTENTION IN NOT ARGUMENT.

I MIGHT SUGGEST WE, WE LIMITED TO THREE.

YOU'D HAVE PHYLLIS COME BACK AND TELL US THE SIZE, LITTLE BITTY AMERICAN FLAGS AND EXEMPT UPS.

AGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

WHY WOULD YOU AND WHAT TOM SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO FOOL WITH HOW THEY DISPLAY OTHER TASKS.

IT'S A PROBLEM.

IT'S A GOOD START.

I THINK IT'S THREE FLAGS IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, INCLUDING THE CAUSE YOU HAVE THREE, PLUS YOU ACTUALLY HAVE STATE FLAG, STATE SALE SIGN, PLUS THREE OTHER SIGNS.

IF YOU HAVE SEVEN THINGS IN YOUR YARD, FEAST FOR THE EYES.

SO, UH, LET'S REPEAT THAT REAL QUICK THOUGH.

SO YOU GOT IT.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO STILL LIMIT THE POLE HOT? WE'RE NOT GOING TO OTHERWISE ADDRESS HOW FLAGS NOT BEING MAILED.

WE'LL EXEMPT THE SMALL FLAGS AND REGULATION.

ONCE WE FIGURED OUT WHAT THIS APPROPRIATE SIZE IS, UH, WE WILL STILL ALLOW 40 SQUARE FEET FOR THE MAXIMUM SIZE OF A FLAG AND KEEP THEM WITH CURRENT ORDINANCE SO THEY CAN RESPOND AT A MAXIMUM OF THREE.

AND THEN ON SCIENCE, ARE WE GOOD WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE? OR YOU HAVE ANOTHER, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR FEELINGS? WHAT'S THE, WHAT IS THE, UH, YOU WERE PROPOSING THE, THE SINGLE SIGN FOR THE FIRST ONE.

THIS ISN'T THE CURRENT ORDINANCE FOR, TO ALLOW GARAGE SINGLE SIGN.

AND THAT'S THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.

MA'AM OKAY.

I THINK THIS IS FINE.

IT'S FINE.

AND AGAIN, AS IT STATES IN SECTION C, THERE ON THE SCREEN IS, DOES NOT PERTAIN TO POLITICAL SCIENCE.

AND I DO THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY POLITICAL ADVERTISING VERSUS POLITICAL SPEECH.

THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO POLITICAL ADVERTISING, WHICH IS REGULATED BY THE ELECTION CODE.

I CANDIDATE'S NAME FOR CORRECT.

BUT YEAH, I KNOW, BUT, BUT YES, I REMEMBER THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN POLITICAL ADVERTISING, WHICH HAS GOVERNED BY THE ELECTION CODE AND POLITICAL SIGNS, WHICH ARE A DIFFERENT HANDLE IT, BUT I THINK SO.

I THINK WHAT BRENDA'S, YOU'RE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN, OR AT LEAST IT'S CLEAR THAT WE'RE, THAT THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO ONE, BUT IT MAY APPLY TO ANOTHER.

SO WE'LL WORK ON THAT.

THAT'S ALL I NEED TO CLARIFY THAT.

SO THE SIGN LANGUAGE, PERMIT, SCHOOL PARTICIPATION, SCIENCE, RELIGIOUS SCIENCE, AND CELEBRATION SENTENCE.

NOW THAT'S PROPOSED.

SQUARE FOOT MAXIMUM, AND THOSE ARE THE SAMPLES.

IT'S JUST NOT MORE THAN THREE SIGNS AND WITH A SIX

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IT COULD BE ANYTHING, SIX SQUARE FEET.

IT'S PRETTY BIG.

IT'S OKAY.

I DON'T HAVE ANY INPUT ANIMAL, IF NOT, WE'LL WRAP IT UP ON THIS NEXT

[2. Present and Discuss updates to the Town's Public Safety Data Management Policy.]

ITEM.

NUMBER TWO, UPDATES TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY DATA POLICY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL PAULSON INSTITUTE POLICE.

WE'RE GONNA DECIDE TO GO OVER AND GIVE YOU SOME CLARITY ON CHANGES THAT THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS MADE TO HOW WE MANAGE OUR LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION PROGRAM.

IT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THE NEED FOR US TO HAVE YOU GIVE US DIRECTION ON POLICY CHANGE, BECAUSE IT DOES FORCE US TO CHANGE HOW WE'RE DOING THINGS.

AND COUNCIL HAS GIVEN US DIRECTION IN THE PAST.

WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU TONIGHT.

TALK ABOUT IT, JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON JANUARY 9TH, 2019 ADDISON CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED OUR TALENT, MADISON PUBLIC SAFETY DATA MANAGEMENT POLICY.

AND THIS WAS TO PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY.

PARENTS NEED ACCOUNTABILITY FOR HOW WE USE THE DATA COLLECTED BY OUR LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION CAMERAS.

THOSE, THOSE POINTS WERE ATTACHED TO YOUR COUNCIL PACKETS TO AS A REMINDER, THERE WERE SIX OF THEM.

AND TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT JUST WHAT REALLY IS SOMETHING FOR THOSE, THOSE SIX KEY POLICY POINTS WERE THE DIRECTION THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDED TO DEVELOP OUR OWN INTERNAL POLICIES ON HOW WE, UH, DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT AND USE OUR, OUR LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION EQUIPMENT.

AND WE'VE DONE THAT SUCCESSFULLY SINCE APRIL, 2019.

WHY WE ARE HERE TONIGHT IS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT SUPPORT DIVISION.

AND THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY FOUND A CONCERN SURROUNDING CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION SECURITY WITH OUR LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION, VENDOR OF VISUAL SOLUTIONS.

ESSENTIALLY THIS ONE WAS TAKING, UH, THE TEXAS CRIME INFORMATION CENTERS, HOT LIST, WHICH INCLUDES ONE PERSON'S MORE, EXCUSE ME, UH, STOLEN VEHICLES AND MANY OTHER THINGS.

THERE'S OVER 21 SEPARATE FILES THAT THEY, THEY PUSH NOT ONLY TO OUR SQUAD CARS, AREN'T JUST PIPE CENTERS FOR OUR LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION PROGRAM.

VISUALLY IT WAS TAKING THAT FEE THROUGH ONE OF ITS TEXAS CUSTOMERS, AND THEN DISTRIBUTING IT TO THE REMAINDER OF HIS TEXAS CUSTOMERS.

THAT'S A SHORTCUT THAT DIRECT DISTRIBUTION VIOLATES THE C JUST RULES IN TEXAS WHEN THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT WITH ACTION.

UM, THE SWIFT ACTION WAS THAT THEY TERMINATED THE DCI CP INDIVIDUALLY AND THAT CUSTOMER.

SO THAT CAUSED US TO LOSE THAT TCI SPOTLESS SPEED TO OUR LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION AND CLOSURES AND CAMERAS.

REALLY WHAT THAT DOES IS IT MEANS THAT OUR OFFICERS IN THE FIELD DON'T GET THOSE IMMEDIATE FIELD WORKS THAT WERE ONE OF THE BIG SELLING POINTS OF THE PROGRAM.

HOWEVER, WE NEVER LOST THE ABILITY TO REPLACE AND GAIN THAT INVESTIGATIVE FORENSIC EVIDENCE.

SO I'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR THAT THE, THE CHANGES THAT WERE MANDATED BY TEXAS FARM PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, REALLY BECAME VERY CLEAR, UH, WITHIN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.

IT WAS AT THE VERY BEGINNING.

IT WAS, THEY WERE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO FIX THE ISSUE WITH, WITH VIGILANCE, BUT THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT KIND OF OUT OF NOWHERE, THE STATE DECIDED TO PRETTY MUCH TAKE CONTROL OF THE LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION, DATA COLLECTION, AND DISSEMINATION AND SHARING STATEWIDE THE, UH, THE TWO IMPORT REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY, THEY MANDATED FROM ALL OF US WHO HAVE LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION PROGRAMS, WAS THAT TO GET ACCESS TO THAT TCRC HOT LIST.

IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR YOUR PROGRAMS. IF YOU SIGN ON TO THAT TECH SMART PUBLIC SAFETY'S LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION, REGIONAL DATA REPOSITORY, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE TAKING ALL THE DATA FROM ALL OF THE STATE, THEY'RE GOING TO HANG ON TO IT.

UM, AND THEN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT MUST AGREE TO LET THE STATE SHARE THE DATA WITH OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES.

AND SO THOSE EFFECTED, THOSE CHANGES EFFECTIVELY, UH, RESULT IN DPS TAKING CONTROL OF ALL THE LICENSE PLATE DATA.

AND AGAIN, WHEN I TALKED TO THE DIRECTOR IN AUSTIN, UH, THEY SAID, LOOK, WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PROTECT THE DATA INTEGRITY OF NOT ONLY TEXAS IS CRIME INFORMATION, BUT ALSO THE FBI'S NATIONAL CRIME INFORMATION CENTER AND THE DATABASE FOR BOTH OF THOSE SYSTEMS. AND ALSO THE STATE'S INTEREST IS TO FACILITATE A BETTER SHARING OF THAT DATA ACROSS LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND SEXISM.

SO THAT WAS THE REASON WHY THEY DO WHAT THEY

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DID.

SO AS I LIVED THROUGH THE VERY BEGINNING, THIS DOES AFFECT, UH, REALLY THE DATA MANAGEMENT POLICY, NUMBER FOUR, WHICH DISCUSSES, OR HE TELLS US THAT THE TENANT WILL NOT SHARE PLATE DATA WITH OTHER NON LAW ENFORCEMENT, THIRD PARTIES.

AND THE TOWN WILL ALSO NOT SHARE DATA WITH OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THAT DO NOT FOLLOW A PROPER ATTENTION TO ACCESS POLICIES, OR THAT DO NOT HAVE CLEAR POLICIES IN PLACE TO ENSURE SUCH PRACTICES ARE FOLLOWED.

THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE COUNCIL DIRECTION BACK IN JANUARY BY TEAM BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN DPS HAS POLICIES REGARDING THE LICENSE PLATE, DATA RECOGNITION REPOSITORY, THEY ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT MAKE THE DECISION ON WHO THEY SHOULD HIT.

WE GOING TO LOSE THE ABILITY TO DICTATE THAT.

AND SO OUR PROPOSAL VISION FOR OUR, THE TOWN POLICY WILL BE AGAIN TO RETAIN THAT PORTION ABOUT NOT SHARING NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THIRD-PARTIES, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO DO THAT, BUT THEN ALSO THE TOWN WILL COMPLY WITH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT PUBLIC SAFETY'S LICENSE LATER, PAUSE STORY POSSIBLE RECREATION PROGRAM, AND ABIDE BY THE RULES.

SO WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR THAT CHANGE DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC SAFETY IS GOING TO HONOR INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS FOR CITY'S RETENTION PERIODS.

AND SO OUR 45 DAY RETENTION POLICY WILL, THERE ARE SOME BENEFITS TO PARTICIPATE WITH THE STATE.

UH, I KNOW IT LOOKS AT FIRST, MY INITIAL REACTION TO THAT, I THINK I SHARE THAT, SHARE THAT FOR PEOPLE THIS ROOM WAS IT IT'S A STATE SUBSTAIN OVERREACH TO JUST TRY TO, YOU KNOW, BE THE BIG BULLY ON THE BLOCK AND TAKE IT AND TAKE THIS AWAY FROM US.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND THEY'RE SEEING US AUDITS THAT THEY DO ON ALL OF US THAT HAVE, WHAT'S CALLED AN AURA NUMBER.

IT'S THE ORIGINATING AGENCY NUMBER THAT WE'RE ALL ASSIGNED WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE VETTED AND CERTIFIED AS A TEXAS LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY THAT ENSURES THAT SEIZURES INFORMATION.

IS I GOING TO A THIRD PARTY? THAT'S NOT, IT SHOULD NOT HAVE IT RIGHT.

SO THE STATE OF TEXAS COMES IN AND AUDITS ALL OF US THAT HAVE MORE ON NUMBERS ON A, ON A, ALMOST ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ALWAYS GETTING AUDITED BY THEM.

AND THEY WILL DO A MUCH MORE ROBUST AUDIT THAN I EVER COULD AS AN AGENCY.

AND SO TEXAS FEELS LIKE THIS IS ACTUALLY MORE SECURE AS FAR AS DATA INTEGRITY, UH, TEXTS DPS ALSO ALREADY HAS A PRIVACY IMPACT ASSESSMENT.

THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL A POLICY IN PLACE.

AND I READ THROUGH IT, I SHARED IT WITH STAFF AND HAMEED SORT OF FOLKS, AND IT DOES FALL IN THE SAME PHILOSOPHICAL TENANTS THAT WE ALL DISCUSSED AND CAME UP WITH ARE, ARE, UH, NOT WITH TOWN POLICY, BUT CORPORATE POLICY.

IN FACT, THE STATE HAS SHARED THIS SPACE LMU AND HAVEN'T HAD ANY TYPE OF KICKBACK OR CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY, BY THAT GROUP REGARDING PRIVACY AND THAT KIND OF THING.

THIS IS VERY MUCH LESS BURDEN SIMILAR.

I HAVE SOME POLICE WORK OF STAFF BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO VET EVERY AGENCY WE'RE GETTING, YOU'RE GETTING 20 TO 30 REQUESTS SOMETIMES A MONTH, UH, TO SHARE DATA AND HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF GETTING THAT POLICY.

EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THIS WILL HELP US BE MORE EFFICIENT.

WE FEEL LIKE IT ALSO INCREASES THE EFFECTIVENESS, EFFECTIVENESS, AND EFFICIENCY OF DATA SHARING WITH WALGREENS AGENCIES.

THAT'S NOT, IT WILL BE A GOOD THING FOR, FOR TEXAS LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND THEN THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DATED.

AND WE, I SENT OUT TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE YESTERDAY.

WE, WE CAME BACK ONLINE AS OF YESTERDAY.

SO VMO USE HAD BEEN SIGNED.

WE WANTED TO HAVE OUR VENDOR WORKING WITH OTHER AGENCIES TO GET US BACK UP AND RUNNING.

IN FACT, WHEN AN LPR HIT, THERE WAS AN ISSUE LAST NIGHT.

SO WE'RE BACK UP AND RUNNING, WHICH IS GOOD NEWS.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

AGAIN, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WORKED THROUGH VERY QUICKLY, AND THE FACT THAT THIS ALL KIND OF HAPPENED WITHIN A MONTH'S TIME AND GOT RESOLVED IS MIRACULOUS PUSH WHEN DEALING WITH STATE.

SO CHIEF PLUGGED TO THE CONTROL WE HAVE, UH, AS FAR AS THE VENDOR WILL PROVIDE US WITH THE LPR RECOGNITION SYSTEM.

SO, UH, PENDING IN THE PAST, THEY WOULD SELL INFORMATION TO OTHER PEOPLE IN OTHER WORDS.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO DISTINCTIONS TO BE VERY CLEAR.

THEY CANNOT WILL NOT, AND DO NOT SELL LAW ENFORCEMENT COLLECTED DATA.

THEY ONLY, THEY HAVE THE VIGILANT SOLUTIONS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST VENDORS THAT THE OLDEST VENDOR THEY HAVE ON COMMERCIAL DATA SIDE, THAT'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM OURS.

WE CAN USE THEIR DATA, THE COMMERCIAL, BUT THEY CAN NEVER GET OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

TO INVITE CITY MANAGER TO MAKE SOME ANNOUNCEMENTS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF? THERE REALLY ISN'T A CHOICE.

SO YOU'D HAVE TO SILO.

THERE'S ALWAYS A CHOICE.

WE MAY NOT LIKE IT.

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BUT BEFORE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I APPRECIATE NO QUESTIONS, UM, THAT WE ALSO ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, BECAUSE WE WANT TO BRING THAT FORWARD AND HAVE THAT ADOPTED FORMALLY AS WE DID WITH THE ORIGINAL .

UH, BEFORE WE START THE MEETING, I WOULD LIKE

[ Announcements and Acknowledgments Regarding Town and Council Events and Activities Discussion of Meetings / Events]

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I HOPE THAT'S NOT THE PART OF THE, SO, UH, JUST, UM, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, SORRY.

NOW I DON'T HAVE, UH, MANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THIS EVENING.

I DO WANT TO JUST THINK STAFF FOR THE GREAT JOB THAT THEY DID ON THE HOLIDAY IN THE PARK EVENT THIS PAST SUNDAY, UH, WE HAD A GREAT TURNOUT.

WE HAD GREAT WEATHER THANKFULLY, AND I THINK FOLKS WERE GENERALLY PRETTY, PRETTY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO, UH, GET OUT OF THEIR HOUSES AND DO SOMETHING AND TRY TO STILL KEEP THE SPIRIT OF THE, OF THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

SO I WANT TO SAY, UH, TO JASMINE AND HER TEAM DID A PHENOMENAL JOB.

THEY DID.

AND THANKS EVERYBODY FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION AND HELP.

AND, UH, THANK THE COUNCIL FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN THAT AREA.

SO THAT WAS MY, UH, OH, THE OTHER THING TOO IS BECAUSE IT'S DECEMBER, YOU WILL ONLY HAVE ONE COUNCIL MEETING, UH, THIS MONTH.

SO THIS WILL BE OUR COUNCIL MEETING.

SO SEE EVERYBODY UNTIL THE, AFTER THE FIRST YEAR, MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY.

I HAVEN'T RECEIVED A LOT OF GOOD COMMENTS BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE STAY AT HOME FOR TOO LONG.

SO LUCKILY THE WEATHER WAS GREAT.

SO THE EIGHT O'CLOCK NINE O'CLOCK, IT WAS DRIZZLING WORRIED QUITE A BIT.

THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE ON A CLOCK.

EVERYTHING DOES SOUND SO IT'S GREAT WEATHER AND EVERYBODY ENJOYS SO MUCH.

I SPEND ABOUT AN HOUR WALK AROUND, YOU KNOW WHAT I GET IT, IT WASN'T WHERE THE EVENT, SO WE COULDN'T MAKE IT.

SO EVERYBODY ELSE.

SO, YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT ANYBODY COY? NO, SIR.

NOPE.

NOBODY SAW ANY CAR.

WE HAD JUST THE ONE COMMENT ON THE SIGNS.

AGENDA ITEMS THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT.

SO I'LL SEND

[ Consent Agenda All items listed under the Consent Agenda are considered routine by the City Council and will be enacted by one motion with no individual consideration. If individual consideration of an item is requested, it will be pulled from the Consent Agenda and discussed separately.]

SO DO I HAVE ANYTHING I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER EIGHT FOR DISCUSSION NUMBER EIGHT? ANYBODY ELSE? SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, MOTION BY LORI WARD.

SECOND BY FOR YOU IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE, AYE.

OPPOSED OR

[8. Consider Action on a Resolution Adopting the 2021 Legislative Priorities for the Town of Addison, Texas.]

EIGHT.

HE MARRIED A THREE, ISN'T IT? YEAH.

THE REASON I PULLED NUMBER EIGHT, I LOOKED AT IT AND THEN JUST HAD A COUPLE MORE FOLLOWUP QUESTIONS.

NO REAL HOLLY'S HERE.

HE MAY BE ABLE TO TELL, UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD, UM, AND MAYBE THIS IS FOR CITY MANAGERS.

SHOULD WE HAVE AN AMOUNT, UM, ATTACHED TO THIS? OR IS THIS JUST LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES? THERE'S NOT A DOLLAR AMOUNT YOU'VE BEEN DONE.

NO, THERE'S NO DOLLAR AMOUNT.

UM, AND THEN ON THE, UH, EXHIBIT A UNDER REVENUE, FINANCE AND BUDGET, UM, BULLET POINT NUMBER FOUR, UH, POSE ANY LEGISLATION THAT WOULD LIMIT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM ADOPTING BUDGETS THAT THEY DEEM APPROPRIATE FOR THEIR RESPECTIVE COMMUNITIES OR THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE VOTER APPROVAL FOR IN EXPENDITURES.

AND, UM, I STARTED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

I WAS KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH THAT BECAUSE, UM, I BELIEVE WHAT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO? OR SO TWO YEARS AGO WE HAD SOMETHING IN PLACE WHERE IF IT WAS, IF WE, UH, IF ANY TAX ENTITY, UM, PUT SOMETHING FOR OVER THREE AND A HALF PERCENT OR EIGHT AND A HALF PERCENT, PARDON ME, EIGHT AND A HALF PERCENT, IT REQUIRED A VOTE.

AND NOW WE'RE AT SB TWO AND, AND THAT FIGURE IS THREE AND A HALF PERCENT.

AND, AND SO THIS IS IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, IT'S SAYING THERE IS, THERE IS NO ABOUT NO PERCENTAGE ABOUT WHERE THE, WHERE

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IT WOULD TRIGGER A VOTE.

AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY, THE, A WAY TO PULL IT ON THE SCREEN? AND, UH, THEY'LL HOLLY DIRECTOR OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES FOR ANYBODY WATCHING THIS IS PAGE ONE 25, IF THAT HELPS IN OUR AGENDA.

LEGISLATIVE LEVEL IS FOCUSED ON TAKING THAT ABILITY AWAY FROM CITIES AND LIMITING THAT.

AND THAT'S YOUR REVENUE, UH, OPPOSING LEGISLATION THAT WOULD LIMIT GOVERNMENT FROM ADOPTING BUDGETS THAT THEY DEEM APPROPRIATE FOR THEIR RESPECTIVE COMMUNITIES REQUIRE FOR INCREASES EXPENDITURES? SO, YES, YOU'RE CORRECT.

IN THE RECOLLECTION SENATE BILL TO CHANGE THINGS.

THERE'S, THERE'S VERY SPECIFIC, UH, LANGUAGE AND CAPS AND INCREASES BEFORE THAT GOES TO THE VOTERS.

SO, UM, ALONG THIS LINE, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S IN PLACE.

UH, SOME, UH, LEGISLATION PROPOSED IN THE PAST BROUGHT THAT DOWN TO, UH, TO AN ABSOLUTE ZERO.

AND WHAT WE WANTED WAS JUST THE, THE ABILITY TO RESPOND AND COMMUNICATE THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, UH, CONCERNS THAT, THAT, UH, THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO BUDGET AT A, AT A LOCAL LEVEL, YOU KNOW, AS THE COUNCIL, WHICH, UH, WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS, WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TO TOLERATE.

AND WHILE WE UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THE STATE'S DESIRE TO PLACE CAPS AND HISTORICALLY HAVE HAD HAD CAPS ON THAT, UH, THAT WE JUST BE ALLOWED TO RESPOND AND, AND PROVIDE THE TOWN'S POINT OF VIEW THAT GOING TO ZERO OR REQUIRING US TO GO TO THE BOAT EVERY TIME THE TOWN WANTS TO ISSUE A TAX NOTE, UH, TO BUY RADIOS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT Y'ALL ARE ENTRUSTED WITH WITH CERTAIN LEVELS AND THAT WE NOT BE REQUIRED BASED ON THE ELECTION CYCLES AND THE PROCESS AND THE EXPENSES THAT GO WITH IT, THAT THE STATE NOT TAKE AWAY.

SOME OF THAT FLEXIBILITY THAT WE ENJOY NOW.

I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND, I, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT, UM, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF RESIDENTS THAT, UM, THAT I'M FRIENDS WITH.

I THINK THEY'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF ME, BUT THEY'RE NOT THEY'VE, I DON'T THINK THEY'VE GOT A TOLERANCE FOR, UM, FOR NO CAP, RIGHT? I MEAN, NO CAP.

UM, SO, UM, THAT, THAT, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT READS OUT OF ME.

I THINK IN A PASSENGER WITH AN 80% REVENUE CAP, THEN, UH, IN THE STATE, THE, FOR MANY YEARS INTO A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THEY WILL LOWER THAT TO THREE AND A HALF PERCENT.

BUT DURING THE PAST MANY, MANY YEARS, THEY'VE BEEN DEBATING SOMETIME THEY WANT TO LOWER TO TWO AND A HALF PERCENT.

SOMETIMES THEY WANT TO LOWER TO 5%, BUT THEN IF THE OTHER COMPROMISE, THEY APPROVED THE THREE AND A HALF PERCENT.

BUT AS YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WE NEED TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AS WELL.

SO IF YOUR LIMIT THE, UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UH, TO THE MINIMUM THEN, WELL, THE SITUATION IS LIKE WE GET, WE LOWER THE USE.

I MEAN, THE, UH, TAX RATE, EVEN BECAUSE THE APPRAISED VALUE WENT UP, RIGHT? SO IN OTHER WORDS, TAX REVENUE QUICKEST, BUT FORCE US TO LORD AS RATE.

SO SOMETIMES BIG CITY IN THE MORE DIFFICULT TO HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING.

SO, UM, SO THAT REGARD, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO EXPAND TO THE CITIZENS, NOT BECAUSE WE WANT TO INCREASE IT HACKS, YOU KNOW, AND WE ALSO WANT TO ENSURE WE HAVE ENOUGH TAX REVENUE TO OFFER WHAT WE OFFER.

SO IS DIFFERENT THAN OWN.

DON'T READ IT AS SAYING THAT YOU COULDN'T HAVE ANY INSANE.

WE DON'T WANT TO STAY TOO.

YOU'RE LESS THAN NUMBER OR LET, LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST OPERATE FROM WHERE WE'RE WHAT WE KNOW, RIGHT? THE CAP BEFORE WHAT'S 8%, IT CHANGED FROM 8% TO THREE AND A HALF PERCENT.

WHAT THIS LANGUAGE IS INTENDED TO COMMUNICATE IS THAT WE DO NOT WANT THE STATE TO FURTHER ERODE OUR ABILITY TO THE DOCK BUDGETS THAT WE BELIEVE SERVE THE PURPOSES OF OUR COMMUNITIES WHILE I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE THE PRACTICAL TRUTH IS THAT THERE'S NOT A SOUL IN THIS STATE THAT IS CURRENTLY TALKING ABOUT RAISING TAXES, TAXES IN AN UNLIMITED FASHION, ALL THE CONVERSATION AT THE LEGISLATIVE LEVEL, ALL OF THE CONVERSATION THAT THE

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SO WHAT, WHAT THIS LANGUAGE IS INTENDED TO SAY IS WE BELIEVE IN THE LOCAL CONTROL.

WE WANT THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE FOR OURSELVES THE, UM, THE APPROPRIATE, UH, FUNDING, UH, LEVEL FOR OUR BUDGETS.

AND WE DON'T WANT THE STATE TO COME IN AND SAY THREE AND A HALF.

WAS IT ENOUGH? LET'S GO DOWN TO 1% AND YOU JUST POSE ANY ADDITIONAL OR ADDITIONAL IN THERE.

THAT'S COVERED.

I MEAN, REFEREEING THE HALF, AND YOU JUST, YEAH, SURE.

I DON'T THINK I WANT TO ADD THE WORD ADDITIONAL DOMAIN.

I THINK IT'S CLEAR AS IT IS.

WE DON'T MIND THE STATE TO PAY NUMBER FOR US.

IT ALSO FITS SOMETHING IN WEST TEXAS AND SOMETHING IN DOWNTOWN HOUSTON, AND THAT'S HOW I'M READING IT.

WE DON'T WANT THEM TO PICK A NUMBER TO THAT END MARLIN.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? CAUSE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT YOUR CONSTITUENTS CONCERN IS THAT THE WORDING IN THIS, THE WORDING WOULD FLY IN FORMATION WITH THERE.

I THINK THE LEARNINGS FOR SOMEBODY THAT DRILLED DOWN AND LOOKED AT IT, IT'S JUST A THOUGHT ABOUT IT THAT MAY LOOK BAD.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S, BUT WHAT WILL THE, SO OPTICALLY THERE'S NOBODY, WE ARE NOT FIGHTING AGAINST A STATE GOVERNMENT THAT IS TRYING TO INCREASE THE LEVEL OF TAXATION.

NO, WE'RE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, UM, UM, WE WOULD OPPOSE ANYTHING THAT WOULD LIMIT, WE WOULD OPPOSE ANYTHING THAT WOULD FURTHER TAKE AWAY OUR ABILITY TO SET OUR PACE.

GOOD.

THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST SAYING.

UM, I THINK, I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS GOING BACK TWO YEARS AGO WITH THINK 8%, UM, WORKS FOR THEM AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THEIR MIND IS.

IF WE REMOVE, I DON'T MOVE NO, NO LIMIT TO THAT, BUT THEY MIGHT, UH, I, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT BOTTLE, LET ME ADD THIS JUST LIKE LONG TIME AGO, TEXAS LAW COMMITTED TO HAVE THIS TEXAS LAW.

SO THAT USES REVENUE TO FUND PUBLIC EDUCATION, BUT END UP THE TRANSFER SOME OF THE MONEY FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

RIGHT? SO THEY DIDN'T GO TO A HUNDRED PERCENT FOLLOW THE EDUCATION SO THEY CAN DO SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING AND DO THE OTHER THING.

SO I SEND THE TOKEN, THEY ACT THERE WHAT WE DO.

SO I'LL PUT IT TO YOU TO HAVE TAX INCREASE, BUT THEY DIDN'T GIVE US ANYTHING ELSE.

SO WHEN THEY GET THE SHORTENING OF YOUR FUNDING TO MEN, CAN THE SAME HIGH LEVEL, THE SERVICES WHO IS GOING TO GIVE TOM AS A MOM, THAT THAT'S THE REASON WE GOT TO GIVE SOME LOCAL CDS, SOME LOCAL CONTROL.

AND THEN OF COURSE YOU WON'T TELL YOUR CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONSTITUENTS SAY, HEY, I'M GOING TO INCREASE YOUR TAX.

WILL YOU BE ELECTED POLITICALLY? JOHN SAYS, NO.

SO , SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO KEEP THE BENEFITS AND WELFARE'S RIGHT FOR THE PUBLIC, RIGHT.

OR YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

SO I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IT.

THEY HAVE TO BUILD HOLLY AND ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, I THINK THIS IS ALL THOSE PRIORITIES AND ARE GOOD, UH, GOOD, UH, PROPOSAL.

I MEAN, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE IF, IF WE, IF WE TWEAK THAT LANGUAGE TO SAY NO MORE THAN 8% OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD REVOKE SPQ OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD IS THAT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GIVE A NUMBER, NO TIMES CHANGE.

IT'S BEEN LOWERED TO THREE AND A HALF PERCENT.

SO NO WAY THE STATE, THE CURRENT TO GO BACK TO BEFORE, OR THE ONLY THING THEY WANT TO DO IS LOWER EVEN MORE.

THAT'S ACTUALLY THE ISSUE IS WE, WE SHOULDN'T BE AGREED ON A NUMBER AND THE STATES SHOULD BE AGREEING ON A NUMBER I VIEW THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG BECAUSE CITIES HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS.

THEY NEED TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS.

OTHER TAX ENTITIES, I MEAN, I WOULD HATE TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF, UH, VISD 7% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I DON'T LOOK AT IT LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING OF IT.

UM, I THOUGHT JUST THINKING OF JUST PATTERSON VISD AND, AND

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SO, UM, AND, AND I GET, UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND MOST OF THE OTHER STUFF, THE, OF THE, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I DON'T WANT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO GIVE ME A 1% NUMBER FOR THE CITY.

WELL, DON'T KNOW, I DON'T WANT THE STATE TO GIVE ME A NUMBER.

I THINK, I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY THE LOCAL CONTROL ISSUE.

DOES THIS GROUP DECIDE OR DOES SOMEONE ELSE, AND IT'S THE SAME THING, REALLY? THE FEDERAL VERSUS THE STATE IS THAT IT IS THE STATE VERSUS, OR THE COUNTY.

I DON'T WANT ANY OF THE ORGANIZATIONS TO SAY, AND BY THE WAY, ONE NUMBER THAT FITS EVERYONE IN THE STATE OR ANY RATE THAT'S.

AND I GUESS THE OTHER, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS SOME OF THESE THERE'S SEVERAL BULLET POINTS AND WE'RE TOUCHING UPON, UM, SUPPORT LEGISLATION RELATED TO ENHANCED MOTOR VEHICLE, FUEL EFFICIENCY, UH, SUPPORT LEGISLATION REGARDING AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES, AUTONOMOUS SPRAY, CONNECTED VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE.

ANOTHER ONE SAYS ENCOURAGED TRIP PRODUCTION.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S ONE THAT'S SUPPORTING LEGISLATION THAT IMPROVES AIR QUALITY.

AND I, I MEAN, I LOVE ALL THESE THINGS, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY, WHY WE ARE GONNA TAKE OUR TAX DOLLARS PUT IN FOR THESE THINGS, WHICH I THINK ARE FLYING ANYWAY.

SURE.

SO OF THOSE THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED, UH, MIRROR, THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION, I HOPE I'VE GOT THAT C RIGHT COUNCIL, UH, UH, TO SHOW OUR SOLIDARITY WITH THEM BECAUSE TRANSPORTATION IS A REGIONAL ISSUE.

SO WE TOOK A NUMBER OF THEIR BULLET POINTS, UH, THAT THEY HAD ADOPTED IN AND PUT THOSE AT OURS.

THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THEY'RE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNTS OF STAFF TIME OR EFFORT TO DO THIS.

BUT AS THESE COME UP, THIS GIVES STAFF THE ABILITY TO SIGN ON TO, OR TO WEIGH IN ON.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE AND CARRY THAT FLAG, NO PUN INTENDED WITH THE EARLIER THAT WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN THERE PUSHING TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, BUT AS TRANSPORTATION BILLS COME UP, WE CAN SAY WITH THIS, WE'RE, WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF, BECAUSE THAT MEANS THE RTC WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF THIS BECAUSE IT PROVIDES CLEAN AIR, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE STAFF TIME AND DOLLARS TO GO FIGHT FOR CLEAN AIR.

IT GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO WHAT WE WANT WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK AND ASK YOU, IS IT OKAY IF WE TALK TO OUR FRIENDS IN AUSTIN ABOUT THIS ISSUE IT'S HERE AND IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WE'RE DRIVING, RIGHT? IT MAY BE THE NORTH TEXAS COMMISSION COMES AND SAYS, WE NEED SUPPORT ON THIS TOPIC.

AND SO THEY ASK FOR MAYORS TO SIGN LETTERS OF SUPPORT, TO COMMUNICATE WITH LEGISLATORS.

AND SO INSTEAD OF AGAIN, COMING BACK AND SAYING, ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, WE, OKAY, WE'VE GOT THIS GUIDANCE IN THE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.

THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SAY, YEP, THIS IS A REQUEST IT MINDSET THAT THIS WE CAN GET THE LETTERS, UH, PRODUCED FOR THE MAYOR.

YOU CAN SIGN IT AND OFF IT GOES.

THEN I SEND IT THE FULL COUNCIL AND SAY, FYI, THE COUNCIL, THE MAYOR'S SIGNED THIS LETTER IN SUPPORT OF X, Y, Z.

AND, AND GETTING BACK TO MY INITIAL QUESTION REGARDING FUNDING ABOUT IS, DO YOU EXPECT THAT WAS, DO YOU EXPECT THAT WE WOULD SEE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THAT LATER? WOULD THAT BE NOT AT THIS TIME? THERE'S NO, NO.

THERE'S NO, UNLESS WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ON A SPECIFIC, LEGISLATIVE MATTER.

THERE'S NO, NO BUDGET IMPACT FOR THIS LEGENDARY.

NO, WE JUST PART OF THE ROTC PROGRAM AND THEN ALSO SUPPORTIVE, UH, INITIATIVES AND ALSO LAST TESTS COMMISSION, AS WELL AS MAYOR, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT AS WELL AS THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE.

NOT PRESENT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDERATION ON THE RESOLUTION ON THE CONTRACT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE PALM ACID TCO PAVING COMPANY, FULL CONSTRUCTION SERVICES FOR THE MIDWAY

JUST BILL, APPRECIATE THOSE ANSWERS.

JUST MAKE SENSE.

I GET IT.

UM, I DON'T KNOW, FOR ME IN THE FUTURE, SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE GONNA TAKE OFF, THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO ACCELERATE LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN.

SO I APPRECIATE THE ANSWER AND WE WE'VE GOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY BULLET POINTS ON THIS EXHIBIT A AND MINE, MY MAIN CONCERN I SHARED WITH YOU, BUT, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE NO, ON THIS FOR THAT, WHAT I WOULD CALL A WORD EDIT, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, BUT, UM, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO, UH, APPRECIATE Y'ALL.

LET ME TALK ABOUT IT AND HAVING THAT DISCUSSION.

I'M JUST GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVE, APPROVE THE SITE AND MODEL US AS AN EMOTION.

FAVORITE TO APPROVE THIS INITIATIVES THAT YOU SAY, AYE.

[9. Present, Discuss and Consider Action on a Resolution Approving a Contract Agreement Between the Town of Addison and Tiseo Paving Company, Inc. for Construction Services for the Midway Road Revitalization Project and Authorize the City Manager to Execute the Agreement in an Amount Not to Exceed $30,996,834.25.]

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OR REVITALIZATION PROJECT.

NOW AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO ASK YOU THE AGREEMENT AMOUNT, NOT TO EXCEED 30 $996,834 25 CENTS.

OF THIS MONTH, 15 OF THOSE PARCELS HAVE BEEN CLOSED AND 10 ARE MOVING THROUGH THE EMINENT DOMAIN PROCESS.

GETTING MARRIED COUNSEL SHANNON HICKS, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING SERVICES.

THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE CONSIDERATION TO APPROVE A CONTRACT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES RELATED TO THE MIDWAY ROAD REVITALIZATION PROJECT.

BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THE CONTRACT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT IN 2012, VOTERS APPROVED $16 MILLION IN GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS FOR THIS PROJECT IN 2014, TECHNOLOGY PERKINS WAS BROUGHT ON BOARD PERFORM THE NECESSARY DESIGN WORK.

AND IN 2017, THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT WAS MODIFIED TO INCLUDE THE REPLACEMENT OF TOWN OWNED UTILITIES, SUCH AS WATER, SEWER, AND DRAINAGE, AS WELL AS IMPLEMENT PORTIONS OF THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

IN 2018, COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE CITY MANAGER TO PURSUE THE ISSUANCE OF UP TO $25 MILLION IN CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION BONDS.

AND IN 2019 $15 MILLION OF THOSE CEO'S WERE ISSUED THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AS IT STANDS TODAY, INCLUDES THE TOTAL RECONSTRUCTION OF MIDWAY ROAD FROM SPRING VALLEY, APPROXIMATELY 2.2 MILES NORTH TO KELLER SPRINGS.

THIS INCLUDES ALL THE PAVING IMPROVEMENTS TO WATER, SANITARY, SEWER DRAINS, UTILITIES, LANDSCAPING, AND IRRIGATION UPGRADES, TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADES, INCLUSION OF A 10 FOOT SIDE PATH FROM SPRING VALLEY TO THE WHEELER BRIDGE AND ARAPAHOE AND THE PROJECT BUDGET AS IT STANDS TODAY IS $41 MILLION.

THIS CONSTRUCTION, THE CONSTRUCTION ON THIS PROJECT IS PHASE, UM, IN SUCH A WAY IS TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT TO THE ADJACENT BUSINESSES AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC THEY'LL CONSIST OF THREE MAJOR SEGMENTS OF WORK.

THE FIRST PRIORITY WILL BE THE BELTLINE IN MID, UH, INTERSECTION OF BELTLINE AND MIDWAY ROAD.

UH, NEXT WILL BE THE SEGMENT FROM BELTLINE, THE SPRING VALLEY.

AND THEN THE FOCUS WILL SHIFT TO THE SECTION FROM BELTLINE TO KELLER SPRINGS.

THIS SPAZING SLIGHTLY INCREASES THE OVERALL CONSTRUCTION TIME, BUT SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES ARE DISRUPTED BY MAJOR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THEIR PROPERTIES.

UH, OUR LAST UPDATE TO YOU IN APRIL, UH, STAFF'S BEEN WORKING TO GET THE WORD OUT TO THE PUBLIC ON THIS PROJECT IN AUGUST, A PROJECT INFORMATIONAL PAGE WAS CREATED ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE.

UH, THIS PAGE WILL BE PERIODICALLY UPDATED.

SO THE PUBLIC WILL ALWAYS HAVE ACCESS TO THE MOST CURRENT INFORMATION ON THE PROJECT STATUS IN OCTOBER, A PROJECT INFORMATIONAL VIDEO WAS DISTRIBUTED VIA SOCIAL MEDIA THAT TALKED ABOUT THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, AS WELL AS PROVIDED INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO SIGN UP FOR PROJECT UPDATES, SUCH AS EMAILS, TEXT MESSAGES, AND THE WEBSITE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS, INFORMATIONAL POSTCARDS WILL BE MAILED TO ALL HOMES AND BUSINESSES BETWEEN MARSH AND ADDISON ROAD.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE HAVING BUSINESS CARDS PRINTED UP WITH INFORMATION ON HOW TO GET, UH, STAY IN FORM, UH, THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE OUT ANY TIME WE HAVE INTERACTION WITH THE PUBLIC.

WE'RE GOING TO GIVE IT TO ALL OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS STAFF SO THAT WHEN WE'RE OUT VISITING BUSINESSES OR RESIDENTS, WE'LL HAND THOSE CARDS OUT TO TRY AND GET THAT WORD OUT TO PEOPLE SO THEY CAN STAY INFORMED.

WE'RE AWESOME.

WE'RE PLANNING TO KEEP THE WEBSITE UPDATED, UM, AND PROVIDE PERIODIC UPDATES TO THE PUBLIC, UM, DURING THE PROJECT, AS WELL AS WHEN WE HAVE MAJOR SHIFTS IN THE PROJECT, WHEN WE CHANGED SEGMENTS OR WE'RE CHANGING MAJOR TRAFFIC PATTERNS, WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS IN FARMERS, BRANCH, AND CARROLLTON, AS WELL AS SOCIAL MEDIA, TRY TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT THERE TO THE PUBLIC SO THEY CAN KEEP AHEAD OF THAT.

THE FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT, WE BRIEFLY TOUCHED ON THE HISTORY IN 2012 VOTERS APPROVED $16 MILLION IN BONDS AND 2018, UH, COUNCIL GAVE THE CITY MANAGER DIRECTION TO ISSUE UP TO $25 MILLION IN CEO'S.

AND, UH, SO FAR $15 MILLION OF THE 25 MILLION ALWAYS HAVE BEEN ISSUED.

IN ADDITION TO THAT IN DECEMBER OF 2019, THAT, THAT, UH, THE TOWN ENTER INTO AGREEMENT WITH DALLAS COUNTY TO FUND 50% OF THE TRAIL COSTS UP TO $2,781,000.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE IMPLEMENTING PORTIONS OF THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES A 10 FOOT WIDE SIDE PATH, WHICH NECESSITATES THE ACQUISITION OF 25 PARCELS RANGING IN SIZE FROM THE SMALLEST A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET TO AS LARGE AS 7,700 SQUARE FEET.

AS OF THE FIRST

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OUR ESTIMATED COSTS TOTAL COST FOR THAT ACQUISITION IS ABOUT $4 MILLION.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN WHEN WE BRIEFED IN APRIL AT $3.8 MILLION, BUT WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT IN THE PROJECT BUDGET OF THIS SLIDE MAY LOOK FAMILIAR.

THIS IS THE, UH, THE PROJECT ESTIMATED COSTS.

UM, WE'VE UPDATED THOSE WITH SOME OF THE KNOWN VALUES WE HAVE, WE HAVE COMMITTED TO DATE OR INVESTED TODAY ABOUT $3.5 MILLION FOR THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT.

UH, THE MATERIAL TESTING COSTS WHEN WE BRIEFED YOU IN APRIL, WE HAD THAT ESTIMATED AT $300,000.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CONTRACT TONIGHT OF, UH, JUST OVER $225,000.

AND THAT'LL COVER THE TESTING REQUIRED DURING THE PROJECT FOR LIKE DENSITY OF THE BACKFILL AND THE ROADWAYS AND THE CONCRETE CYLINDERS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, WE'VE UPDATED THAT NUMBER TO $4 MILLION OR THAT CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT.

UM, THIS IS THE WORK THAT'S BEING PERFORMED IN HOUSE, UH, BY TOWN STAFF.

THIS WAS THE DISCUSSION WE HAD AT THE APRIL MEETING, WHETHER WE WANTED TO HIRE THAT WITH AN ENGINEERING FIRM OR DO IT IN-HOUSE, UM, THEY'LL BE PERFORMING THE DAY-TO-DAY MANAGEMENT OF THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT INSPECTION OF ALL THE WORK, MAINTAINING THE PUBLIC OUTREACH, AND JUST GENERALLY BEING THE TOWN'S REPRESENTATIVE ON THE PROJECT.

WE ORIGINALLY HAD THIS ESTIMATED AT $1.5 MILLION ON THIS PROJECT, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING ON MULTIPLE BOND PROJECTS, THE COST ALLOCATION OF THEIR TIME RESULTS IN ONLY A COST OF A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE MIDWAY PROJECT.

SO WE REDUCED IT BY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

AND, UH, FINALLY WE HAD THE DESIGN SUPPORT DURING CONSTRUCTION.

THIS IS THE WORK THAT'S PERFORMED BY THE DESIGN ENGINEER DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE OF THE PROJECT.

IF A TECHNOLOGY PERKINS EXISTING CONTRACT ONLY COVERS WORK THROUGH THE BIDDING PHASE AND THEY NEED TO BE PART OF OUR TEAM AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROJECT TO HELP WITH SUBMITTAL AND RFI REVIEWS, UH, PROVIDE INTERPRETATION OF CLARIFICATION'S OF THE PLANS, A CHANGE ORDER ANALYSIS, AND ASSIST US IN PREPARING EXHIBITS FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH.

UH, WE HAD THIS ONE BUDGETED AT $900,000 FOR THIS PROJECT.

SO WE TAKE ALL THOSE COSTS TOGETHER, UH, THAT COMES UP TO ABOUT $9.6 MILLION, UM, WITH OUR OVERALL BUDGET OF $41 MILLION AT LEAVES, UH, JUST UNDER $31.4 MILLION AVAILABLE FOR CONSTRUCTION.

SO THAT BRINGS US TO OUR PROPOSAL PROCESS, UM, DURING THE, UH, THE APRIL COUNCIL MEETING, UH, STAFF COUNCIL ON UTILIZING THE COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSAL AS THE PROCUREMENT METHOD ON THIS PROJECT.

AND MAINLY BECAUSE IT ALLOWED FOR EVALUATION OF EFFECT OF FACTORS IN ADDITION TO COST IN ORDER TO DETERMINE THE BEST VALUE TO THE TOWN, WE WANTED TO PICK THE BEST PARTNERS FOR US MOVING FORWARD OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS IN THIS PROJECT ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, THE TOWN ADVERTISED THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL UTILIZING THE CSP PROCESS FOR THE PROJECT AND THE BASE PROPOSAL INCLUDED ALL OF THE AND SIDEWALKS, THE UTILITY UPGRADES, THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS, ADA COMPLIANCE, UPGRADE IMPLEMENTATION THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION ELEMENTS, UH, PAVERS AND LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS SIDE PATH, AS WELL AS CONNECTIVITY TO THE FUTURE COTTON BELT TRAIL.

IN ADDITION TO THE BASE PROPOSAL, TWO ALTERNATES WERE INCLUDED ALTERNATE A INCLUDED THE OPTION OF ROUTING THE EXISTING UTILITY LINES AFTER THEY WERE UPGRADED IN LIEU OF REQUIRING THE CONTRACTOR TO GO BACK AND REMOVE THEM.

AND WE THOUGHT THAT THERE MIGHT BE A SAVINGS ON THE PROJECT FOR THIS, BUT WE WEREN'T SURE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE INCLUDED AS AN ALTERNATIVE SO THAT WE CAN ANALYZE IT.

AND ALTERNATIVE B WAS FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO PROVIDE A MOTOROLA IRRIGATION CONTROLLERS IN LIEU OF THE TOWN, PROVIDING THEM.

UH, IF YOU RECALL, FROM A MEETING OR TWO AGO, A DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC, I WAS PRESENTED THAT, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO SMART IRRIGATION CONTROLLERS, AND WE WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WOULD BE ANY ADVANTAGE IN THE CONTRACTOR SUPPLYING THOSE, OR WHETHER WE ARE SUPPLYING WILL BE A BETTER VALUE.

SO WE INCLUDED THAT AS AN ALTERNATIVE, A MANDATORY PRE-PROPOSAL CONFERENCE WAS HELD ON OCTOBER 14TH, WHERE ALL THE DETAILS OF THE PROJECT WERE DISCUSSED HAVE DISCUSSED WITH ALL THE POTENTIAL SUBMITTERS, UH, WITH PARTICULAR EMPHASIS ON THE PROJECT OF SEQUENCING, BECAUSE THAT WAS SUCH AN IMPORTANT THING TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT TO OUR BUSINESSES.

WE DID PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO THAT AT THAT MEETING AND OCTOBER 29TH, FIVE SEALED PROPOSALS WERE RECEIVED.

THESE FIVE PROPOSALS WERE EVALUATED BY A FIVE PERSON COMMITTEE, UM, FROM, UH, THE COMPRISE OF STAFF FROM VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AT THE TOWN.

AND THEY WERE EVALUATED ON A PRICE, UH, PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE ON SIMILAR PROJECTS, UM, AND THAT FROM THE COMPANY AND THAT OF THE KEY PERSONNEL, UH, THE QUALITY AND SAFETY PROGRAM, THEIR PROPOSED PLAN OF IMPLEMENTATION AND THEIR PROPOSED SCHEDULE AND TIME

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FOR THE PROJECT AS PART OF THE EVALUATION PROCESS, QUESTIONS WERE WRITTEN.

QUESTIONS WERE SENT TO EACH OF THE RESPONDENTS SO THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON ANY PORTION OF THEIR SUBMITTAL THAT NEEDED CLARIFICATION.

AFTER ANALYSIS OF ALL THIS SUBMITTED INFORMATION, THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE SCORE, THE SUBMITTED PROPOSALS AS FOLLOWED.

THE HIGHEST SCORE WAS FOR TCO PAVING COMPANY, 95.9 OUT OF 100 AUSTIN ROAD AND BRIDGE OF 80 AND BELL CONSTRUCTION, 79.2 REV CON 77.3 AND SEMA CONSTRUCTION OF 73.0 JESSE PRO PROPOSAL EXHIBITED STRONG EXPERIENCE IN MUNICIPAL PAVING, UTILITY PROJECTS INCLUDED A FAREWELL CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE THAT FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDED PHASING AND SEGMENT GUIDELINES OUTLINED IN THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS, UH, TO MINIMIZE THE DISRUPTION TO THE PUBLIC AND TOWN BUSINESSES.

THE TCO PROPOSAL PROVIDED CLEAR QUALITY AND SAFETY PROGRAMS, AS WELL AS A FAIR AND REASONABLE COST PROPOSAL.

TISSEEL HAS A LONGSTANDING AND SOLID REPUTATION FOR MUNICIPAL PAVING AND UTILITY PROJECTS IN THE METROPLEX AREA.

AND TOWN STAFF HAS WORKED WITH THE PROPOSED TCO TEAM ON PREVIOUS PROJECTS, OUR BOND INFRASTRUCTURE, PROJECT MANAGER, UH, PATRICK DEVINEY, UH, WORKED WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND WORKED WITH HIS TEAM MEMBERS ON SEVERAL PROJECTS.

IN THE PAST, SINCE JCO WAS THE HIGHEST RANKED RESPONSIVE PROPOSER, THE CSP PROCESS ALLOWS THE TOWN TO EXPLORE SAVINGS OPPORTUNITIES BASED ON ANY POTENTIAL AMBIGUITIES IN THE BID DOCUMENTS.

AND THIS PROCESS RESULTED IN OVERALL COST REDUCTION OF ABOUT $106,000.

AND THIS WAS REALLY DUE MAINLY TO SOME CLARIFICATIONS ON A COUPLE ITEMS THAT RELATED TO TREE REMOVAL IN IRRIGATION COMPONENTS.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THEIR ORIGINAL PRICING WAS BASED ON HAVING TO COME IN AND REMOVE ONE TREE AT A TIME VERSUS BEING ABLE TO TAKE SEVERAL OUT OF ONE TIME.

AND THAT THOSE CLARIFICATIONS WERE BROUGHT IN.

THEY WERE ABLE TO BRING THEIR PRICE PROPOSAL DOWN BY $106,000.

UM, WITH THIS PRODUCT, THE TOTAL PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION COSTS TO $30,996,834 AND 25 CENTS PENDING COUNCIL ACTION TONIGHT.

UH, WE ANTICIPATE ISSUE IN THE LIMIT LIMITED NOTICE TO PROCEED IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS TO GET THE CONTRACTOR WORKING ON BONDS AND INSURANCE, AS WELL AS SUBMITTALS CONSTRUCTION WOULD COMMENCE IN JANUARY, STARTING AT THE INTERSECTION OF BELTLINE AND MIDWAY ROAD.

THIS PHASE SHOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED BY ABOUT JULY AND MAJOR PAVING.

OPERATIONS WOULD THEN TRANSITION TO THE SOUTHERN SECTION OF THE PROJECT IN APPROXIMATELY OCTOBER OF 2020 TO WORK WITH THEM, MOVED TO THE NORTHERN SECTION.

AND LAST UNTIL THE PROJECT COMPLETION IN JANUARY OF 2024, THE TOTAL PROPOSED CONTRACT TIME IS 1,095 DAYS, EXACTLY 36 MONTHS.

THE STAFF, UM, RECOMMENDS NOT, UH, UTILIZING ALTERNATE A OR ALTERNATE V.

THE GROUNDING OF THE EXISTING LINES IN LIEU OF REMOVAL DID NOT RESULT IN A SAVINGS.

IT ACTUALLY RESULTED IN THE INCREASE IN COST.

SO WE OBVIOUSLY WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE INCLUDED AS AN ALTERNATIVE BECAUSE WE WEREN'T REALLY SURE.

AND A AND ALTERNATIVE B THE TOWN CAN PROVIDE THE IRRIGATION CONTROLLERS TO THE CONTRACTOR, SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS.

I BELIEVE WE'RE BUYING THEM DIRECTLY FROM THE MANUFACTURER AS IT HAD BEEN GOING THROUGH HERE.

SO THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL SAVINGS, BUT US TO PROVIDE THEM SET OF CONTRACTOR.

FINALLY, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS A WAR, THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT TO TCO PAVING COMPANY BASED ON THEIR BASE PROPOSAL OF 39, $30,996,834 AND 25 CENTS AND THOUSAND AND 95 CALENDAR DAYS.

BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

AND I ALSO HAVE PATRICK DEVINEY MADE THIS PROJECT SYSTEM IS SOUL WORK FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS OR THEIR PERFORMANCE CLAUSES, SUCH AS COMPLETION AND TIME.

THERE ARE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES IF THEY DON'T COMPLETE THE PROJECT ON TIME, WHAT'S THE PENALTY OR INCENTIVE DISINCENTIVES.

SO THE ONE OF THE , I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT LIQUIDATED DAMAGES ARE NOT A PENALTY.

THEY ARE AN AGREED UPON INJURY TO THE TOWN OR DAMAGE TO THE TOWN, BUT THEY'RE NOT A PENALTY INCENTIVE OR IS INCENTIVE.

IF THEY COMPLETE THIS PROJECT SOONER OR LATER, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY INCENTIVES JUST TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT SOONER.

AND WE DO HAVE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES.

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YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES, NO, IT FOLLOWS THE COB RECOMMENDED NUMBER, BUT I THINK IT WAS $500.

WE CAN, WE CAN GET THE EXACT NUMBER FOR YOU, UH, WHAT THE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES ARE.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID DO ON THIS PROJECT IS WE, BECAUSE THE PROJECT SEGMENTED TO REALLY A NORTH SECTION IN THE SOUTH SECTION, WE ALLOW THE CONTRACTOR.

IF WHEN THEY COMPLETE THE SOUTH SECTION 100%, WE'LL RELEASE THE MAJORITY OF THE RETAINAGE OF THAT WORK AT THAT TIME.

AND WHAT THAT'S THERE TO DO IS TO KEEP THEM FINISHING ALL THE GOOD PAY ITEMS, IF YOU WILL, ALL THE CONCRETE AND UTILITIES AND JUST MOVING ON AND LEAVING THE RESTORATION, THE T IN THE LANDSCAPING ON DONE THIS, INCENTIVIZES THEM TO GET THAT WORK DONE SO THEY CAN GET THAT RETAINAGE BACK.

HEY, SHANNON, CAN YOU GO TO PAGE EIGHT, PLEASE? OKAY.

WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACQUISITION STATUS AND WE'VE GOT CLOSED.

IF HE, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH WHAT CLOSED? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WE HAVE THE EASEMENTS OR A RIDE OF THE WAY DONE.

THEY ARE OURS.

SO 15 OF THEM ARE COMPLETED AND CLOSED AT THE TITLE COMPANY.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE DOCUMENT SIGNED NUMBER.

THAT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS LAST TIME.

WE HAD NUMBERS IN THE DOCUMENT SIGNED IN, IN NEGOTIATION.

AND A LOT OF TIMES WE HAD AN AGREEMENT SIGNED BY THE LANDOWNER, BUT WE HADN'T GONE TO CLOSING, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, THEY EITHER FALL IN ONE OF TWO CATEGORIES WHERE EVEN CLOSE IN EMINENT DOMAIN FOR, YES.

UM, AND THEN ON PAGE 11, I NEED A REFRESHER, YOUR, YOU GET THE SIDE PATH TRAIL AND, UM, UM, I'M JUST CONFUSED HOW THAT DIFFERS FROM SIDEWALK.

IT'S 10 FEET WIDE WHEN THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE SIX PIECES.

SO JUST WITH, OKAY.

UM, AND THEN ALTERNATE A WHERE WE BID ALTERNATE EGG, WE WERE PLANNING ON AND I SEE, WE'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING, STAFF'S NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE APPROVED THAT, BUT I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS OF WHERE WE PLAN TO, UH, ABANDON THAT.

ARE WE GOING TO REMOVE THOSE ITEMS OR DO WE EVEN KNOW AT THIS POINT? SO THE BASE BID WAS FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO REMOVE THE EXISTING UTILITIES.

AFTER THEY'VE BEEN UPGRADED AFTER THEY'VE INSTALLED THE NEW ONES, THE ALTERNATE WAS TO LEAVE THEM IN PLACE AND ROUTE THEM, JUST GRAB THEM, FILL IN THE THOUGHT FOR MY SAVINGS.

SO THE WAY WE WOULD PROPOSE TO DO WITH BASE DAY WAS BE REQUIRED.

THE CONTRACTOR REMOVE THE EXISTING UTILITIES AFTER THEY'D BEEN UPGRADED.

SO THAT'S OUR PLAN.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, AND I REMEMBER MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG, LONG DISCUSSION OVER THE YEARS, BUT, UM, CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST SHARE, UH, CONCRETE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT ALL CONCRETE, OTHER THAN THE BELTLINE CROSSING? I BELIEVE IT'S ALL CONCRETE, IT'S ALL CONSOLE CONCRETE, CONCRETE.

AND CAN YOU SHARE ANY THOUGHTS ON HEALTH, THE DEPTH OF THAT 12 INCHES, 12 INCHES THICK, AND THAT'S HELPED ME CAUSE I'M NOT A STREET SCOUT.

THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY, THAT IS REALLY WHAT'S NORMAL.

WE'RE JUST DOING ANYWHERE EIGHT TO 18.

UM, AND THEN, AND THEN I, I DIDN'T DIVE INTO THE WHOLE CONTRACT HERE, BUT ARE WE PAYING INVOICES MONTHLY OR HOW DO WE, HOW ARE WE PAYING? SO WE WILL HAVE A PAY APPLICATIONS MONTH.

BOTTOM LINE, NO IMPEDIMENT TO SCHEDULE, SO WE CAN TAKE THE LAND AND GO, I HAD A CONSTRUCTION THEN DEAL WITH THE OWNERS LATER DATE AND HAVE THEM NEGOTIATE.

BACK IN THE EMINENT DOMAIN, DO YOU SEE ANY IMPEDIMENTS TO STICKING TO THE 36 MONTHS? IS THAT PROCESS PROCEEDING SMOOTHLY? IT IS.

UH, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL COMMISSIONER COURT'S HEARINGS TODAY.

AND WHAT GENERALLY HAPPENS IS ONCE YOU HAVE THE HEARING, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL ISSUE A PONER REWARD.

UH, WE WILL POST THAT MONEY AS A, TO THE COURTS AND WE CAN TAKE POSSESSION OF THE LAND AT THAT POINT.

SO, UH, WE, UH, WE SHOULD BE DONE WITH THAT PORTION OF THE, OF THE PROCESS IN JANUARY.

SO WE SHOULD HAVE POSSESSION AT THAT TIME OF ALL THE PROPERTIES.

AND THEN IT'S A MATTER OF THROUGH THE COURTS.

IF YOU HAVE TWO ON THE FINAL

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NORMALLY YOU'LL GO.

YOU WON'T GO TO THE COURT NORMALLY TO SETTLE.

IT DIDN'T MEAN THEY'RE HERE.

SO THEY WILL ASK THE JUDGE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING JUST, WELL, THE JUDGE HAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROJECT.

WELL, ASSIGN THREE COUNTY CITIZENS RELATED TO THE REAL ESTATE, ESPECIALLY TO BE THE COMMISSIONERS IN THEIR HERE.

SO GO OUT, TAKE THE NOTE, WHAT IT'S WORTH AND DO SOME INCOME CUT, UH, HOW THEY GO TO COVETABLE, UH, COMPARABLE, UH, UH, COMPARISON ABOUT THE, UH, THE COSTS OF THE LAND THEY GO FOUND.

THEY'RE LONELY.

THEY MEET IN THE HOUSE.

SO OF COURSE THE OWNER WONDERFUL MONEY TO A CITY WANT TO PAY LESS, SO WARMLY HITTING HALF IN MOST SITUATION.

ALRIGHT, SO NOW I SERVE AS THE COMMISSION.

SO I DO, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TOO ABOUT, BY THE WAY, THANK YOU FOR THIS PACKAGE.

IT'S A, IT'S CONCISE, IT'S BIG, IT'S FULL OF INFORMATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE TSP, UH, FOLLOWING THE RECOMMENDED PHASING AND TO DRAW YOUR ANSWER IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE UTILITY PORTION AND THE PAINT AND THE PHASING, SO THAT WE KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING FROM FOLLOWING THE SEQUENCING FROM THE SOUTH, THEN GOING UP THE NORTH, GOING UP ON THAT EAST SIDE AND THEN RETURNING IS THAT PHASING, IS THAT THE PHASING THAT'S GOING TO BE FOLLOWED STEP BY STEP OR THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE YOU TO SPEAK TO THE, UH, THE SITE, THE PHASES THAT WE HAVE, THERE'S SEVERAL OF THEM TO GIVE GENERAL GUIDANCE TO THE CONTRACTOR ON WHERE WE WANT TO FOCUS THE WORK.

THE FIRST IS THE INTERSECTION OF OUTLINING.

AND WHILE THAT PAINTING OPERATIONS GOING, CONTRACTOR CAN DO UTILITY WORK ON THE SOUTH SECTION WITH THE NOT ALLOWED TO START THE MAJOR PAVING OPERATIONS AT THAT TIME.

AND THEN ONCE THE MAJOR PAVING WORK IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED THE INTERSECTION, THEN THEY CAN GO TO THE SOUTH SIDE AND THEN THEY'LL WORK ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THAT TO BEGIN WITH, UM, WHICH IS THE NORTHBOUND SIDE.

UM, AND ONCE THAT'S COMPLETED, THEN WE'LL MOVE OVER TO THE WESTERN SIDE, THE SOUTHBOUND SIDE.

AND ONCE THOSE MAJOR PAVING OPERATIONS ARE COMPLETED, THEN THEY CAN MOVE ON TO THE NORTHERN SECTION OF THE PROJECT.

DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? WELL, I WANT TO GET A SENSE OF WHERE THE WORTHY ON UTILITY REPLACEMENT STAYS A STEP AHEAD OF THE PAVING.

IT DOES.

AND AS IT'S COMING UP THE NORTH SIDE OF NORTHBOUND SIDE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING LIKE, ARE THERE GOING TO BE TWO SECTIONS I THINK ARE THREE PHASES UP ON THAT SIDE.

LET ME TWO OF THOSE SECTIONS OPEN OR WHERE WE HAVE OPEN OVER TRENCHES AT THE TIME, OR PATRICK, I'M COMPASSIONATE GIVING HIM THE PROGRAM MANAGER FOR, FOR THIS PROJECT.

UM, THE PHASING IS GOING TO BE BASICALLY SEGMENTS.

YOU GOT THE NORTH SEGMENT AND THE SOUTH SEGMENT AND THE INTERSECTION IS PART OF THE SOUTH SIDE.

THE COMPLETE FINAL COMPLETION OF THE, OF THE SOUTH SIDE.

UM, WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE UTILITY WORK IN THE AREAS THAT ARE NOT CLOSED, THAT'D BE LIKE CUTTING COVER.

BASICALLY YOU'LL COVER THOSE TRENCHES EVERY NIGHT AS YOU MOVE AND GET OUT AND HAVE ONLY ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC OUT OF SERVICE OF THE THREE.

AND YOU THAT'LL PROGRESS UP UNTIL THE TIME WHEN IT COMES TIME TO DO THE PAVING AND WITH ALL OF THAT.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE LISTED A NUMBER OF PHASES IN THERE TO GO THROUGH.

YOU'VE GOT THE UTILITY PHASE, YOU START TO DEMOLITION PHASE, FIND THE PAGES PHASE.

AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF DIRECT IMPACT, THE LENGTH OF TIME, A DIRECT IMPACT HAS IN FRONT OF A BUSINESS, RIGHT? IF I CAN GET YOU IN AND OUT AND GET PAST TO HERE, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE LIMITED THE IMPACT ON YOU INSTEAD OF DIGGING UP AND LET ME DO, YOU KNOW, 2.2 MILES TO CONSTRUCTION WHILE YOU'RE WAITING FOR ME TO GET YOUR DRIVEWAY BACK IN.

SO THAT'S THE KIND OF PROCESS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO USE.

WE'VE GOT THE SOUTH SIDE, AND THEN AFTER WE COMPLETE THE SOUTH SIDE, WE CAN MOVE TO THE NORTH.

THERE ARE SOME UTILITIES ON THE NORTH THAT MAY HAPPEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH

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BUT AGAIN, THOSE WILL BE CUTTING AND COVER AND MAINTAINING TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC AT ALL TIMES.

AND THE UTILITIES ARE PRIMARILY ON THE SOUTH SOUTH.

YES, THERE ARE SOME, THERE ARE SOME THAT GO NORTH, BUT, BUT THE HEAVY, THE HEAVY UTILITY WORK IS GONNA HAPPEN IN THE SOUTH SIDE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

SO HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR THE INTERSECTION? THE INTERSECTION IS SCHEDULED TO TAKE ABOUT SIX MONTHS, SIX MONTHS TO GET THE PAVEMENT AND ALL LANES BACK INTO SERVICE.

WE'LL STILL HAVE TO BE DOING STREET LIGHTS AND IRRIGATION AND STUFF, WHICH WILL BE, YOU KNOW, DAILY SHUTDOWNS OF THE INSIDE LANES, WHERE WE'RE WORKING IN THE MEDIAN AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

BUT THE, BUT THE BULK OF IT AND RETURNING IT TO THREE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION, ALL THEY'LL TURN LANES OPERATIONAL IS ABOUT SIX MONTHS.

SO REAL QUICK, BEFORE YOU SAY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I SAY THIS AT LEAST ONCE, BECAUSE I'VE SAID IT EVERY TIME WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THIS IS GOING TO BE A THREE YEAR HIGHLY DISRUPTIVE PROJECT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR VERY BEST TO MINIMIZE THE DISRUPTION.

UM, BUT THIS WILL BE A DISRUPTIVE PROJECT.

OH, I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

SO I ASSUME THAT BY OUR THREE-YEAR SCHEDULE, WE'RE GOING TO SORT OF DOVETAIL INTO WHAT DARK'S DOING WHEN THEY'RE UP THERE ON THAT BRIDGE.

HOW HOW'S THAT KIND OF WORKING OUT.

SO WE KNOW WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH DARREN AND THEY'VE GOT REALLY TWO PHASES OF WORK.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING THE BRIDGE WORK GOING OVERHEAD.

AND WHILE WE'RE DOING IT, THEY'LL BE DOING SOME LIMITED LANE CLOSURES TO DO THEIR BRIDGE ABUTMENTS.

AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANY MAJOR SHUTDOWNS.

OUR BIG CONCERN THERE IS WE JUST NEED TO BE OUT OF THEIR WAY.

UM, AND THEN THERE'LL BE COMING THROUGH IN REMOVING THE EXISTING TRACK SOMETIME AFTER THAT.

AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE BUT A WEEK OR SO, PATRICK, ME TO TWO WEEKEND CLOSURES.

ONE OF THE REALLY GOOD BENEFITS OF HAVING MR. DELANEY ON BOARD IS HE USED TO WORK FOR DARREN AS WELL.

SO HE KNOWS ALL THOSE GUYS OVER THERE AND PICK UP THE PHONE AND THEY'LL ANSWER.

WE'VE HAVE REALLY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.

THAT'S A LONG QUESTION.

UM, SHAN, YOU REFERRED TO UPGRADES AND IT SAID HOT MORE CAPACITY.

IS IT? OR IS IT JUST ME, IN SOME CASES IT'S NEW, IN SOME CASES, NEW COMPETITORS, NEW INCREASED CAPACITY, UM, I'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE AND TELL YOU EXACTLY.

BUT, UM, I KNOW THAT ANALYSIS WAS DONE.

WE, UH, IT'S PART OF THIS UTILITY WORK CONTEMPLATING LIKE A CONDUIT SPACE OR WHATEVER FROM FIBER NETWORKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

NO, SIR, NO, WE WE'VE.

WE'VE ASKED THE FRANCHISE UTILITIES TO LOOK AT ANY FUTURE NEEDS THAT THEY HAVE AND TO INSTALL WHAT THEY MAY NEED FOR THEIR FUTURE NEEDS THAT THEY CAN THINK OF.

NOW, BEFORE WE PUT THE STREET NEW STREET DOWN, SO WE'RE NOT OUT THERE TEARING THE NEW STREET UP A MONTH AFTER WE GET IT IN.

SO WE'VE ASKED IN COORDINATED WITH THEM TO TRY TO GET THEM, TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE AND PUT IN ADDITIONAL THINGS, UPGRADE THE LINES THAT THEY THOUGHT WERE OLD ENOUGH THAT THEY MAY HAVE TO DO IT IN THE NEXT FIVE TO SIX YEARS, BUT NOTHING IN RELATION TO UNDERGROUND AND ANY UTILITIES.

SHANNON, CAN YOU REMIND ME ALL THE, HOW MANY TREES WERE REMOVED? THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT OTHER A YEAR AGO.

I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER OF THEM, BUT, UH, BASICALLY I THINK ALL OF THE TREE, THE BOARD OF THE TREES ON THE, UH, ON THE SOUTHBOUND SIDE ARE CUT.

WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS TOO IS YOU, AS THE COUNCIL MAY RECALL, THAT WAS DISCUSSED IS YES, TREES WOULD HAVE TO GO AWAY AND WE WOULD TRY TO SAVE AS MANY AS WE COULD, BUT WE WERE ALSO LOOKING AT MAKING SURE CURRENTLY WE'VE GOT A LOT OF TREES THERE THAT DON'T NECESSARILY FIT THE SPACING.

THAT'S NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE YOU KEEP HEALTHY TREES.

SO WHAT WE WILL HAVE THERE IN THE FUTURE IS THE SPACING NECESSARY, NOT ONLY TO KEEP HEALTHY TREES, BUT THEN ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING ANY SIGHT, DISTANCE TRIANGLE ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO I KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

I DON'T KNOW IF PATRICK, YOU FOUND THAT NUMBER, BUT IF YOU DID, YOU'RE AMAZING.

I'M REALLY HAPPY BECAUSE WE NX THE EAST LAND ALL OF THIS MID ROAD.

SO IT WILL REDUCE THE COMPLEXITY, DEALING WITH THE THOUGHT WAS BRUNCH.

SO FOR THAT, I REALLY APPRECIATE FARMER'S RANCH ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT 423 IS THE NUMBER OF TREES, 423

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TREES.

BUT AGAIN, WHERE WE RESERVED PRESERVES, THERE'S A LOT OF TREES OUT THERE THAT ARE PLANNING A LOT OF REPLACEMENT TREES.

BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO PUT IN TREES THAT ARE MEANT TO SURVIVE IN THAT ENVIRONMENT.

I MEAN, WHEN YOU HAVE A NARROW AREA WITH PAVEMENT ON BOTH SIDES, YOU KNOW, IT GETS HEATED IN THE SUMMER AND IT DRIES UP QUICKER.

WE'RE TRYING TO USE THINGS OR USE TREES AND PLANTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN THAT ENVIRONMENT AS WELL AS TREES THAT ARE GOING TO GROW UP INSTEAD OF HOW SO THAT YOU'VE GOT THE SHADE FROM IT.

BUT YOU DON'T HAVE IT POKING IN THE EYE WHEN YOU'RE WALKING BY OR SCRATCHING YOUR CAR.

REMEMBER ALSO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT DURING, WHEN WE BROUGHT YOU THAT EVALUATION OF THE CURRENT TREES, WHICH ONES WERE GETTING RID OF.

YES, WE ARE REPLACING TREES, BUT PLEASE UNDERSTAND BY NO MEANS, ARE WE REPLACING THEM ONE FOR ONE, SO YOU WILL NOT HAVE THEM IN, LIKE WHAT'S SAID, YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE ABUNDANCE OF TREES THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO JUST WANT TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF REMIND EVERYBODY OF THAT.

IT WILL NOT LOOK LIKE IT DOES NOW.

THERE WILL NOT BE THE NEAR THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT AREN'T RIGHT NOW, WE WAS DOING THAT FOR THE HEALTH OF THE TREE.

AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD THE ARBORIST COME OUT, A LOT OF THOSE TREES, HE DEEMED WEREN'T HEALTHY ANYMORE BECAUSE THE ROOT STRUCTURE WAS TOO CLOSE.

THE CANOPIES WERE TOO CLOSE.

AND SO WE'LL GO IN.

I APOLOGIZE.

I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT OUR DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS ARE, BUT WE'RE GOING WITH OUR CURRENT DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS NOW.

SO, SO ANY MORE QUESTION? SO IF NOT, I KNOW THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING BY THE OWNER OF ALL THE TCO COMPANY, THE ARE HERE.

SO, UH, MR. TRUDEAU, TCU IS THE FOUNDER AND OWNER OF, UH, OF CISO PAVING, BUT ALSO HIS SON, LOUIE.

AND THEN, UM, WHEN, SO ACTUALLY A RECENT TC LIVE OVER HEAVEN SHIRT.

SO, UH, NEXT DOOR TO, UH, I BETTER NOT SAY I KNOW, BUT YOU LIVE NOT ONLY KNOW WHO YOU ARE, BUT ALSO KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE.

DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK A FEW WORDS, UH, TO RULE ON WE STABLE OURSELF? ALL WE GIVE YOU A MIC, SO NO.

MEAN, THERE WAS ME THAT OVER THE YEARS AND EVERYTHING, AND, UH, THESE ARE THE GUYS YOU WANT TO BE.

HI, MY NAME IS, UH, ACTUALLY I'VE STOOD UP SAID, BUT I GO BY ARTHUR.

HE SAID, I LIVE IN BELLBROOK, LIKE THE MERITS AND THAT'S ONE OF MY YEARS.

SO A LONG TIME RESIDENT OF MEDICINE, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU, YOUR MAYOR AND THE PEOPLE.

HEY MEDICINE, GIVE US TO FRATERNITY TO BUILD THIS ROAD BECAUSE FROM THE DAY IT WAS ADVERTISED, IT'S A DREAM OF MINE TO BUILD THAT.

AND I WAS HOPING THAT, THAT HE WAS JUST SUCCEED IN BEING BETTER AND GET THERE AND GET THE JOB.

UH, AND HAVING SAID THAT I, UH, I WANNA SAY I POWER.

I AM FROM THE CITY OF ADDISON.

I ENJOYED THAT.

WE MET AT 21 YEARS, I'VE LIVED HERE AND YOU GUYS DO A WONDERFUL JOB, MAINTAINING THE CITY.

I GOT TO GET TO THAT WHERE YOU GUYS GO ABOUT DOING THEM AND KEEP THEM UP WITH THE REST OF EVERYTHING IS GOING AROUND.

YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, THESE OTHER CITIES AND EVERYTHING.

SO, UH, WE WILL, UH, WE WILL PERFORM ON A JOB AND I GUARANTEE YOU YOU'LL BE HAPPY WITH OUR PERFORMANCE UNLESS SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT WE HAVE NO IDEA OUTSIDE OF AD TECH.

WE'RE HERE.

I WANT TO BUILD A ROLE.

IT'S MY TOWN.

AND I DON'T WANT TO, NOT SOMEBODY ELSE COME IN AND BUILD THAT.

A LOT OF PRESSURE TO GET THIS PROJECT.

REALLY GUYS THAT FROM MY WRITING, THEY DID ALL THE, MAYBE TWO YEARS OLD, I DRIVE AROUND A VISIT.

SO THEY GET ALL THE CREDIT.

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WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.

MA'AM SO, UH, ANY MORE QUESTIONS, IF NOT, A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED SECOND.

SO I HAVE A MOTION SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED.

PRESENT, DISCUSS CONSIDERATION ON A RESOLUTION, APPROVING AN AGREEMENT FOR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES BETWEEN THE POWER OF THE EDISON CON FAILED TO PERFORM MATERIALISE TESTING SERVICES AS QUALITY ASSURANCE FOR THE MATERIALS UTILIZED IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE LITERARY ROAD REVITALIZATION PROJECT.

[10. Present, Discuss and Consider Action on a Resolution Approving an Agreement for Professional Engineering Services Between the Town of Addison and Teague Nall and Perkins, Inc. for Design Support During Construction Related to the Midway Road Revitalization Project and Authorizing the City Manager to Execute the Agreement in an Amount Not to Exceed $882,401.]

DISCUSS IT.

CONSIDER THE RESOLUTION AGREEMENT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES BETWEEN THE TOWN OF ADDISON TO IGNORE AND PURCHASE FOR THESE, I SUPPORT DOING CONSTRUCTION RELATED TO MIDWAY ROAD REVITALIZATION PROJECT AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT, NOT TO EXCEED $882,401.

YES, SHANNON.

HE KNEW THEIR COUNCIL.

SHANNON HEXTER DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING SERVICES.

NOW THIS CONTRACT IS FOR THE DESIGN SUPPORT DURING CONSTRUCTION OF THE MIDWAY ROAD REVITALIZATION PROJECT.

AS WE MENTIONED IN OUR PREVIOUS BRIEFING, UM, THIS IS FOR OUR DESIGN ENGINEER TO SUPPORT, UM, UH, TOWN STAFF ON THIS PROJECT, UH, TO ANALYZE OR RESPOND TO RFS AND SUBMITTALS HELP PROVIDE INTERPRETATIONS AND CLARIFICATION FOR THE DESIGN DOCUMENTS, PROVIDE SITE VISITS, DISSIPATING, PUBLIC OUTREACH PROGRAMS, ANALYZE AND PREPARE ANY NECESSARY FIELD CHANGE OR FIELD CHANGES WERE CHANGE ORDERS.

UM, THE CONTRACT AMOUNT IS $882,401 NOT TO EXCEED.

AND WE HAD THESE SERVICES BUDGETED AT $900,000 STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

YOU MAY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS.

I THINK THIS IS A NO BRAINER.

IF WE WANT TO HAVE A DESIGN TEAM THERE, THEY'VE GOT THEIR HANDS ALL OVER THIS AND BACK AND FORTH, AND THEY'RE ASLEEP WISE TO GO WITH SOMEONE ELSE.

SO YOU MAKE AN EMOTION AND ONLY THAT, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 10 AS SUBMITTED.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ALL IN FAVOR TO APPROVE THIS IDEA.

YOU SEE, I SUPPOSE I CAN READ 11

[11. Present, Discuss and Consider Action on a Resolution Approving an Agreement for Professional Engineering Services Between the Town of Addison and Kleinfelder, Inc. to Perform Materials Testing Services as Quality Assurance for the Materials Utilized in the Construction of the Midway Road Revitalization Project and Authorize the City Manager to Execute the Agreement in an Amount Not to Exceed $225,289.00. ]

NOW AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO ASK YOU NOT TO EXCEED $225,089 IN AMERICAN COUNCIL.

SHANNON X DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING SERVICES.

NOW THIS CONTRACT IS FOR THE MATERIALS TESTING, UH, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S MIDWAY ROAD REVITALIZATION PROJECT.

UH, THIS WILL PERFORM SUCH AS A SOIL CLASSIFICATION, IDENTIFICATION, COMPACTION ANALYSIS, CONCRETE, CONCRETE, UH, COMPRESSIVE STRENGTH ANALYSIS.

IT'S ALL THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PRODUCT THAT'S IN THE GROUND MEETS OUR SPECIFICATIONS.

UH, KLEINFELTER IS A VERY RESPECTED ENGINEERING FIRM.

THEY'RE LOCAL, AND THEY'RE ON OUR PRESELECTED LIST.

THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO, TO HANDLE A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE.

UH, WE HAVE, UH, THESE SERVICES BUDGETED AT $300,000 STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, AND I'LL BE HAPPENING CERTAIN QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE MAYOR ON THE PROCESS WITH THE, UH, INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED IN THE INFORMATION PACKAGE THAT LOOKS AS THOUGH THE COMPANY HAS MADE MANY PROVISIONS FOR, FOR THE TRANSPORT CALL, OF COURSE, THE COSTS ASSOCIATED AND THE TIME SHE GETS INTO THESE LOCATIONS TO TAKE, MAKE THE TESTS.

SO UNLESS ANYONE HAS COMMENTS, QUESTIONS,

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I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

ITEM 11, I SUBMITTED A SECOND MOTION FROM GUILLERMO AND A SECOND FROM LORI WARD IN FAVOR TO APPROVE THIS ITEM, PCI PROPOSED ITEM 12, PRESENT,

[12. Present, Discuss and Consider Action on a Resolution Appointing Three (3) Members to Serve on the Board of Zoning Adjustment for Two-Year Terms Commencing January 1, 2021 and Providing an Effective Date. ]

DISCUSS CONSIDERATION ON THE RESOLUTION APPOINTING THREE MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR TWO YEARS, COMMENCING JANUARY 1ST, 2021, AND PROVIDED WITH ANY FACULTY GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, URBAN PARK CITY SECRETARY.

UM, I, I SENT Y'ALL SOMETHING THIS AFTERNOON, UH, WITH THE UPDATED LIST OF ALL THE, UH, UH, VCA, UH, APPOINTMENTS ARE PEOPLE THAT APPLIED.

WE HAVE THREE OPENINGS, UH, PLACE ONE IS CURRENTLY HELD BY LARRY BROWN AND HE HAS REQUESTED THREE APPOINTMENT PLAYS TO IS PEGGY GILCHRIST GILLCREST PLUS.

AND SHE HAS NOT, IS NOT SEEKING REAPPOINTMENT.

AND IN PLACE THREE, DENISE FANSLER, UH, IS SEEKING REAPPOINTMENT AS WELL.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL WE COMPLETE ITEM NUMBER 13.

I THINK THERE'S A HIERARCHY, UM, PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION, BOARD, BOARD OF ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT.

I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE.

UH, MAY I JUST ONE NUANCE? I DON'T NECESSARILY NESS IT'S NECESSARY TO TABLE IT.

MAYBE JUST TAKE THE OTHER ITEMS FIRST FOR YOU TO COME BACK.

I CAN, I CAN COME BACK WITH THIS.

I CAN, AFTER WE COMPLETE ITEM 13, I HAVEN'T FULLY PRESENTED

[13. Present, Discuss and Consider Action on a Resolution Appointing Three (3) Members to Serve on the Planning & Zoning Commission for Two-Year Terms Commencing January 1, 2021 and Providing an Effect Date.]

THIS CUSTOMER CIVIL ACTION ON A RESOLUTION APPOINTING THREE MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION FOR TWO YEAR TERMS COMMENCING JANUARY 1ST, 2021, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

UH, AS I SAID EARLIER, I PRESENTED Y'ALL WITH A LIST OF EVERYONE THAT HAD APPLIED BEFORE PLANNING.

AND, UH, I HAD PRESENTED, UH, A LISTING FOR YOU OF ALL THE, UH, THE MEMBERS CURRENTLY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE APPLIED FOR REAPPOINTMENT OR APPOINTMENT FOR THIS, UH, COMMISSION, THE, UH, CITIZENS APPROVED A CHARTER AMENDMENT IN NOVEMBER THAT SAID ALL PNC AND, UH, BZA MEMBERS MUST BE REGISTERED VOTERS OF THE CITY.

I DID VERIFY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE, I COULD NOT FIND THAT ONE GENTLEMAN'S, UH, VOTER REGISTRATION NUMBER.

AND I SENT HIM AN EMAIL, DID NOT GET A RESPONSE.

UM, BUT WITH THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY EXCEPTION TO THIS COMPLAINT.

UH, PREGNANT, WE HAVE THREE, UH, POSITIONS COMING UP.

SO WHY IS A POIGNANT BY MODERN WILSON? AND DEBBIE MAY HAVE PROTEAN GIVE THEM, WE'LL PUT THEM HERE AND COUNCIL MEMBER PAUL WARD.

SO, UH, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE, UH, FOR MY APPOINTMENT, DENISE FANSLER.

THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

SO, UH, YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANK YOU, MAYOR MAYOR.

I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

I WOULD LIKE TO POINT NANCY CRAIG PLACE, TWO OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO OUR FIRST FULL TERM OFFICE.

MS. CRAIG WAS APPOINTED PLACE TO OUR RESOLUTION NUMBER R 19 DASH ONE ONE SIX ON DECEMBER 10TH, 2019 TO FILL THE UNEXPIRED TERM OF LINDA GROSS, THE TOWN'S CODE OF ORDINANCES, SECTION TWO DASH THREE ONE ZERO PROVIDES THEM POINT TO FILL AN UNWELL EXPIRED TERM OF LESS THAN 12 MONTHS DOES NOT COUNT TOWARDS TERM LIMITS FOR COMMISSIONER, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHILE COUNCIL TOOK ACTION ON DECEMBER 10TH, 20, 20, 19, THAT TERM DID NOT BEGIN UNTIL JANUARY 1ST, 2020.

SO THAT IS WHY IT'S A, IT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA THAT FULFILL A FULL TERM.

SO SHE IS ELIGIBLE TO SERVE THREE FULL TERM.

UH, HOLD ON.

UM, COUNCIL, A LOT MONEY TO NOMINATE THE

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RENOMINATE.

JOHN MILWAUKEE'S SERVED HONORABLY HIS LAST TWO TERMS, AND, UH, HE HAS EXPRESSED TO ME THE DESIRE TO CONTINUE TO SERVICE ON THIS COMMISSION.

AND HE HAS BEEN A FAITHFUL, UH, COMMISSIONER ATTENDING MEETINGS AS WELL.

AND I'VE FOUND HIS COUNSEL AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE SOUNDED SO UNCOMFORTABLE.

UH, FOR THAT, I WANT TO THANK THE, UH, PNC COMMISSIONERS FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS AND ALSO WAITER AND FLIP OUR FACILITIES.

WE GO BACK TO, I CAN CAN I ASK A QUESTION TO THE ATTORNEY? DO WE NEED TO, UH, PUT THAT IN THE RESOLUTION, THE INFORMATION THAT MR. MAYOR PRO TEM DEPUTY MAYOR PER TAB, UH, ANNOUNCED ABOUT THE APPOINTMENT OF IS NECESSARY.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL THREE APPOINTMENTS? YOU DO.

I MOVE TO APPROVE THE THREE MOTION FOR ONE AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR TO APPROVE THIS.

DID YOU SAY AYE? AYE.

OPPOSE.

LET'S GO BACK TO IT'S PLACE.

ONE, TWO AND THREE.

UH, SO PLACE TWO IS NOT SEEKING MORE APPOINTMENT AND PLACE THREE.

MS. FANSLER HAS BEEN APPOINTED TO PMC SO SHE CAN NOT SERVE IN BOTH POSITIONS.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, UH, DENISE FESTER NEEDED TO RESIGN FROM BZA.

YES, SIR.

NO, SIR.

WE WILL RETURN TO HER TERM EXPIRES THE END OF THE MONTH, SO IT'S NOT NECESSARY FOR A RESCUE ACTION.

ALRIGHT, SO MOM, YOU WANT TO, YES SIR.

YES, SIR.

MY NOMINATION FOR APPOINTMENT IS LARRY BROWN.

SO GIVE HIM REAL QUICK.

OH, EXCUSE ME, MAYOR.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK PEGGY GILLCREST VERSUS SERVICE THAT SHE'S DELIVERED TO THE TOWN FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS.

I THINK IT WAS A TEACHER.

UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PEGGY.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

AND, AND, UH, I WOULD PAY HER, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, NOMINATE KAREN GARDNER POSITION.

COUNCIL MEMBER OF PAUL.

WELL, I APPRECIATE THE AMAZING SERVICE AND EASY A AND, UM, AND CONGRATULATE YOUR HOMEOWNER APPOINTMENT, COUNCILMAN PRICE, YOUR MICROPHONE.

CONSIDER ACTION BY THE REGION, APPLY INDIVIDUAL TO SERVE ON THE COMPANY PARTNER FOR THREE YEARS, I'M GOING TO SAY JANUARY 1ST, MAYOR COUNCIL.

UM, SO AS I WAS SAYING, I APPRECIATE, UH, ASK DENISE FOR HER SERVICE, UH, IS MY APPOINTEE ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, CONGRATULATE HER ON THE, UH, APPOINTMENT TO PLANNING AND ZONING.

YOU LOOK FORWARD TO HER SERVICE THERE AND WITH THAT, UH, I NEED TO REPLACE HER.

SO MY, MY APPOINTMENT, UH, TO THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT, I'M GOING TO NOMINATE, UH, JIMMY NEIMAN.

SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS MOTION WAS SECONDED ALL IN FAVOR TO APPROVE THIS STREET COMMISSIONERS, PCI.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[14. Present, Discuss, and Consider Action on a Resolution Appointing Individuals to Serve on the Community Partner Bureau for Three-Year Terms Commencing January 1, 2021 and Providing an Effective Date. ]

MY NAME IS BILL HOLLY DIRECTOR OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.

AND AS JUST STATED, WE ARE GONNA PRESENT DISCUSSING CENTER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION TO APPOINT INDIVIDUALS TO SERVE ON THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS BUREAU OF HISTORICALLY IN THE, UH, LAST QUARTER OF EACH YEAR,

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COMBINATIONS OR APPOINTMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO VACANCIES ON THE COMMUNITIES PARTNERS BUREAU.

WE'VE MADE SOME TWEAKS AS IS.

Y'ALL ROLLING RECALL FROM THE MEETING ON THE 13TH OF FEBRUARY, WHICH MAY HAVE IMPACTED OR CAUSED THIS PROCESS TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED IN THE PAST.

BUT WE DID PUT OUT A NOTIFICATION TO THE COMMUNITY, ASKING FOR, UH, INTERESTED INDIVIDUALS TO APPLY, TO BE ON THE COMMUNITIES PARTNERS BUREAU.

WE ALSO FOLLOWED UP WITH A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDATIONS OF INDIVIDUALS THAT Y'ALL HAVE MADE TO SEE IF THEY WERE STILL INTERESTED THAT YOU SAID YOUR SECRETARY HAS PROVIDED YOU A LIST, WHICH WAS UPDATED LATER THIS AFTERNOON, LISTING FOR INDIVIDUALS AND THEIR INTEREST OR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE ON SPECIFIC OR, OR JUST BROADLY INTEREST IN SERVING ON ANY AVAILABLE, UH, COMMUNITY PARTNERS, BUREAU OPENING AND EFFECTIVE ON JANUARY ONE, WE'LL SHOW, UH, VACANCIES IN THE FOLLOWING COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND THAT'S, UH, METROCREST SERVICES, THE FAMILY PLACE, DALLAS CAT LADY, AND METRO CARE SERVICES.

AND IN THE, IN THE NOTES IN THE AGENDA MEMO, UH, IF YOU LOOK BACK AT OUR POLICY THAT WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL REGARDING REAPPOINTMENTS OR IT'S A THREE-YEAR TERM, AND THERE APPEARS TO BE LANGUAGE IN THAT POLICY THAT RESTRICTS A REAPPOINTMENT BEYOND THAT PERIOD, UNLESS COUNCIL WANTED TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION TO THE POLICY.

AND THAT WOULD APPLY TO MS. BRAND PAL WHO SERVED WITH METROCREST SERVICES.

BILL.

I'VE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

IF I COULD, ON THAT, ON THAT POLICY, I'VE GOT REALLY SMALL PRINTS OF, SO GO SLOW WITH ME HERE, BUT, UM, IT SAYS BUREAU MEMBERS WILL SERVE A THREE-YEAR TERM BEGINNING ON JANUARY 1ST OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR, WHICH THEY ARE APPOINTED.

EACH BUREAU MEMBER MAY SERVE ONE TERM, NOT NECESSARILY SCIENTISTS TO THE SAME COMMUNITY PARTNER.

WE THEN WITH AN OPTION OF ONE ADDITIONAL YEAR, AND I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS FRAN POWELL HAS, HAS SHE SERVED AT THAT OPTIONAL ONE, ONE YEAR TERM, BUT THAT IS MY IN LOOKING BACK AT THE PAST RESOLUTIONS, THAT THAT YEAR HAS BEEN AFFORDED TO HER.

SHE'S BEEN THERE FOR FOUR YEARS.

PERSON, UM, SHE HAD INDICATED SHE WANTED TO DO THAT ON THE FORM.

GOT IT.

I'LL GET ANOTHER QUESTION.

DO, UM, DO WE HAVE, IS THIS TIME SENSITIVE WHERE WE NEED TO CONCLUDE THESE APPOINTMENTS TONIGHT? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MAYBE A MEETING SOMETIME IN ONE OF OUR JANUARY MEETINGS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE, THE COMMUTE WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE MAYBE THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS POLICY.

SO IF, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE DIRECTION COUNSELING PROVIDED TO STAFF, AND DURING THAT FEBRUARY 13TH MEETING WAS TO REMOVE THE COUNCIL LIAISON POSITION.

SO THE, WE MADE A NUMBER OF THE CHANGES RELATED TO HOW YOU WANTED, UH, COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO COME AND PRESENT THE TIMING OF THEIR PRESENTATION AND THE BUDGET PROCESS, ET CETERA, ALL, ALL OF THOSE HAD TAKEN PLACE.

UH, BUT WE DO NEED TO COME IN HERE AND CLEAN UP.

UH, WE CONTEMPLATED BRINGING THAT TO YOU, UH, THIS EVENING, BUT TO, TO MAKE ALL THOSE CHANGES IN ONE NIGHT, SEEM LIKE WE WERE ASKING TOO MUCH.

AND THEN I'VE BEEN APPOINTING SOMEBODY PROMPTLY AFTER.

SO THE DECISION WAS MADE IF IT WAS COUNCIL WISH TO CONSIDER MS. POWELL JUST MAKE AN EXCEPTION AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK AND WE COULD DISCUSS.

SO I THINK THAT THE PROCESS REGARDING, UH, FINDING, UH, APPOINTEES WHEN WE'VE BEEN HISTORICALLY HAD A COUNCIL LIAISON, THOSE INDIVIDUALS HAD GONE OUT, THEY THEY'D APPROACHED THOSE INDIVIDUALS.

STAFF STAFF WAS REALLY UNCLEAR KIND OF OUR ROLE IN THAT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR A PARTICULAR APPLICANT OVER ANOTHER OR A PEER TO APPROACH SOMEBODY MAYBE WHEN YOU HAD OTHER THOUGHTS OR PEOPLE IN MIND.

SO WE, UH, WE NEEDED TO KIND OF LEARN OR WALK OUR WAY THROUGH THAT, WITH THAT CHANGE.

AND IT OCCURRED VERY QUICKLY AT A POINT WHERE WE ONLY HAD A MEETING AT ONCE.

SO WE HAD LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES TO DISCUSS AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK.

YES, I TRIED TODAY BECAUSE JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANYONE LISTENING, THE CITY SECRETARY IS SHE COME EDITOR OR SOMEONE COME IN AND DID GO BACK INDIVIDUALS AND ASK IF THEY, BECAUSE, WELL, THERE WERE CERTAIN COMMUNITY PARTNER ROLES WHERE NO ONE HAD INDICATED A PARTICULAR INTEREST FOR THAT PARTICULAR ROLE.

AND SO THE CITY SECRETARY HAD GONE BACK TO ASK WHEN SOMEONE LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED FOR A DIFFERENT ONE.

AND WHEN I READ THAT TODAY, WHICH WE GOT AROUND, I DON'T KNOW, TWO O'CLOCK OR WHATEVER TODAY, I NOTICED THAT FRAN POWELL WHO HAD BEEN THE METRO CARE SERVICE, METRO SERVICES

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AND SO SHE WAS LISTED AS A, YOU KNOW, NO PREFERENCE.

AND I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO FRAN.

I TRIED TO REACH HER TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, BUT I WAS TOLD SUBSEQUENTLY SHE'S OUT OF THE COUNTRY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION BEFORE MAKING A JUDGMENT RELATIVE TO FRAN.

AND THEN I ALSO WASN'T SURE BECAUSE THE OTHER CHANGE WAS ANOTHER PERSON IN A MARIA FRAMPTON WHO HAD NO INDICATED METRO CARE SERVICES AND METRO CREST SERVICES AND METRO CARE SERVICES AND CONVERSATION NEAR TO, TO SEE HOW STRONGER FEELINGS WERE THERE.

JUST WASN'T A CHANCE TO HAVE THAT BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT COMING BEFORE EARLIER TODAY.

SO I, YEAH, I WOULD SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, I SPOKE WITH, WITH, UH, TWO OF THE APPLICANTS AND VERY SIMILAR CONVERSATIONS THAT REALLY, UH, BEEN DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS BUREAU WAS.

UH, THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THAT POINT THE CONVERSATION DID, THEY WEREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, SHARE WITH THEM WHAT IT WAS, WHAT THEY WERE AND, UH, SO THAT THEY COULD LOOK INTO IT.

BUT, UH, IF, IF THIS IS NOT TIME-SENSITIVE, I SURE WOULD LOVE TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE, UH, MEETING IN JANUARY WHEN WE CAN SHORE UP THIS POLICY.

AND I THINK IF WE DID THAT, THAT WOULD, I'M SURE WOULD PROVIDE US, UH, UH, FIGURED OUT WHAT, WHAT FRAN POWELL MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO AND, AND, AND PROVIDE TIME FOR OTHER APPLICANTS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT NON-PROFITS THEY MIGHT WANT TO WORK WITH IN THE LIAISON.

WOULD IT BE OKAY TO APPOINT SUSIE OLIVER AND THEN WAIT ON THE OTHER ONES? OR IS THAT SHE WAS THERE? SHE SAID, I'M SORRY.

NEVERMIND.

THAT SHE SAID, I'M FINE TO TAKE, WE NEED A MOTION.

I WOULD SUGGEST SINCE APPARENTLY PEOPLE APPLY TO THIS COMMUNITY PARTNERS ARE SO LIMITED.

HOW WOULD YOU LOVE TO SEE WHAT OPENED UP AGAIN WITH DEADLINE? HOPEFULLY YOU CAN GET A FEW MORE PEOPLE.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WE TABLE THIS MEETING TO JANUARY, TO THE NEXT MEETING, JANUARY 12TH.

SO HOPEFULLY THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE CAN GET A FEW MORE APPLICANTS.

SO WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE, YEAH, IF WE TABLE IT TO JANUARY 12TH, WILL THAT WORK, OR WHAT WILL THAT GIVE YOU THE TIME YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THIS POLICY, SORRY, REAL QUICK, THERE'S GOING TO BE A POLICY CONVERSATION BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENS.

RIGHT? SO WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AT THE 12TH ON THE 12TH.

THE COUNCIL MAY NOT NECESSARILY TAKE COUNTS ACTION ON THE 12TH AND IT WILL COME BACK FOR THE FOLLOWING MEETING.

SO, BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER ABOUT THE TIME.

I MEAN, THIS, I MEAN, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS A VOLUNTEER, RIGHT? THE FACT THAT THE FACT THAT THERE IS THE ENTITY IS GOING TO BE WITHOUT A VOLUNTEER FROM THE TOWN IS FOR A MONTH IS NOT, NOT THE END OF THE WORLD, BUT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, IS THE COUNCIL COMFORTABLE WITH RE RE ADVERTISING AND ASKING FOR MORE, MORE APPLICATIONS? YES.

AND, AND, AND, AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE INCLUDE THE NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS WHERE THERE IS A LIAISON ROLE OPPORTUNITY AVAILABLE, UM, HOPEFULLY, SO THAT THAT'LL CAUSE THEM TO LOOK, LOOK DEEPER INTO THE INDIVIDUALS.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS LIAISONS FOR A PARTICULAR NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

AND SO THOSE, THOSE ONES WHERE WE'RE THERE IS AVAILABILITY, MENTORED, PRESS SERVICES, METRO FAIR, UM, DALLAS CAT, LADY, AND FAMILY PLACE.

WE LIST THOSE.

WE SHARE THAT IN THE COMMUNICATIONS UP TO THE COMMUNITY SO THAT THEY REALIZE, HEY, THOSE ARE, THESE ARE THE LIAISON ROLES.

THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT THIS MEANS.

THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS WHAT I'M SIGNING UP, VOLUNTEER WORK.

YOU'RE ASKING FOR US TO PUT TOGETHER DESCRIPTION SOMETHING.

EVEN, EVEN IF IT'S JUST THE NAME OF THE NONPROFIT AND MAYBE A LINK TO THEIR SITE, SOMETHING THAT WILL ACTIVATE SOMETHING THAT WILL EDUCATE THE PEOPLE.

THIS IS WHAT I'M VOLUNTEERING.

WHAT IS THE COMMUNITY? THIS WILL ANSWER THIS,

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ASK IT AGAIN.

SO, UM, AND SO ON THE DATE I'M ASKING IN REGARDS TO MY MOTION IS THAT NEED TO BE DATE SPECIFIC TO TABLE.

I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO TABLE THIS ITEM, UH, FOR FUTURE, UH, CITY COUNCIL.

SO I HAVE MOTION TO TABLE THIS IDEA.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED.

SO, UH, TAKE A FIVE MINUTES BREAK.

I'M TAKING TO A EXECUTIVE SESSION.

ARE WE GOING TO SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY? AT THIS POINT, YOU DO NEED TO READ THIS BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION UNDER FIVE, FIVE, ONE.ZERO SEVEN, FOUR OR THE CITY.

SO LET'S TAKE A BREAK FOR THIS TAPE NOW.

COME BACK.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S BETTER.